NEW ARP Odyssey SOUND DEMO by Moot Booxlé

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  • Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024

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  • @mootbooxle
    @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +12

    I was going to do a more "technical" overview of this synth, but when Marc Doty (Automatic Gainsay) got one, I knew he'd have that covered, in much more detail than I ever could! He's great at explaining that stuff.

    • @thelol1759
      @thelol1759 9 лет назад +6

      For what it's worth, this is my favorite type of content along side that!

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +6

      ***** thank you very kindly!

  • @rars0n
    @rars0n 7 лет назад +3

    I wanted to hear what the Korg ARP Odyssey sounds like and I'm not disappointed. Always impressed by your playing and understanding of the instrument. Great video!

  • @lilsquirl
    @lilsquirl 9 лет назад +4

    This sound demo is really great. Some of your riffs reminded me of early 90s video games :D

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +1

      Thank you! I was wondering if anyone would pick up on the fact that I was conjuring some 8-bit type sounds when I was doing the duophonic stuff. If a classic NES theme had come to mind, I would have played it!

  • @MegaAppleMan12
    @MegaAppleMan12 7 лет назад +1

    Got the chance to play one of these a few days ago, definitely buying one when I get the chance!

  • @ohmslawmusic
    @ohmslawmusic 8 лет назад +2

    Very nice. Gives a great overview of what it's capable of. Funky playing too;)

  • @acousvnt
    @acousvnt 5 лет назад +1

    Nice job of keeping it musically interesting all the way through!

  • @thelol1759
    @thelol1759 9 лет назад +5

    Sweet Jesus...
    I just love these videos. The free flow from one sound right into another is really just magical. Even seeing the process isn't enough to believe it sometimes.
    Keep it up Moot!

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +4

      Thank you very much! That was exactly my goal with this video - to display how easy it is to get a huge variety of sounds from this synth once you get used to its layout. It seems really random and un-intuitive at first, but actually is laid out in a really logical way, and is really easy to program live onstage!

    • @phlattgetit
      @phlattgetit 8 лет назад +1

      +mootbooxle How are you handling the free tuning osc. live?
      Do you have perfect pitch?
      If you want to do something like go from unison oscillators to a 5th apart to an octave apart in the context of one piece it seems hopeless?
      There's a video on here somewhere of Rick Wakeman saying that's why he never used one.

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад

      +phlattgetit I thought it would be a real problem when I first got it, but it's not at all! I don't have perfect pitch, but I do have pretty good relative pitch. If I need some weird interval, I typically just turn it down really low and tune it up before the song starts. If you watch my latest video "Floating" I demonstrate seamlessly tuning/programming during a song. I find it funny that Rick used those temperamental Polymoogs but wouldn't use an Odyssey! ;)

  • @StevenMorris
    @StevenMorris 9 лет назад +1

    Totally awesome! Great sounds and great playing :) I really like that color too... Everyone has been showing the black and orange one.

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +2

      Thanks very much! I had to wait a lot longer to get this whiteface one, but it was worth it! I love the classic look and feel of it, and that feeling when people come up to me at gigs and go "OMG you have an ODYSSEY!"

    • @StevenMorris
      @StevenMorris 9 лет назад +2

      mootbooxle Definitely worth the wait! Looking forward to more videos using it :)

  • @rainerbuck36
    @rainerbuck36 6 лет назад +4

    @mootbooxle: I like a lot your style of playing! It's all about this certain funky vibe! Especially your scale-runs and chord-runs in between. For example at 09:25, you're playing them all the time :) Also your runs in the rhodes-phaser comparison-Video I like a lot! I'm learning myself jazz-funk type of stuff on the keys, but I'm always struggling with these fast runs all you cats are playing...I guess it's all about the fingering. Perhaps (if you have time) you could do a little video of your fingering in slow motion of your lovely runs..a lot of guys like me would really benefit from it! Thanks a lot!

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  6 лет назад

      Rainer Buck thank you for the kind words, and for the idea! I’m actually thinking about opening my schedule back up for Skype lessons starting next month:)
      I will consider what you said! I appreciate you watching!

    • @rainerbuck36
      @rainerbuck36 6 лет назад

      Cool! I'll check your channel!...It would also be cool if you would place the camera right above the keyboard so that the keys don't get covered by the fingers; (just a proposal)

  • @Thisisspacemusic
    @Thisisspacemusic 7 лет назад

    had to watch this again! So awesome, you should of done Arp's official demo video! you do way more things and it sounds way better.

  • @SkeleMusic
    @SkeleMusic 8 лет назад +1

    the noodling is awesome!

  • @pdxfunk
    @pdxfunk 6 лет назад +1

    Dude your playing is awesome!! Killing the chick cores type fusion stuff as well as the “video game” riffs !

  • @Shred_The_Weapon
    @Shred_The_Weapon 7 лет назад +1

    I almost couldn't care less that it's not the original article (just like I could hardly care less that my Roland JX-8p isn't a Juno 60). This demonstration rocks and only makes me long even more for one of these puppies!
    I almost forget that there's no preset memory, since the patching seems so effortless.

  • @damiensargeant2432
    @damiensargeant2432 5 месяцев назад

    I was just thinking champion then read some criticism rubbish. Enjoying it, good demonstration of control and expressiveness for those who can afford it.

  • @rickh633
    @rickh633 2 года назад

    it will always be my favorite lead synth, man do I wish I never sold mine.

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  2 года назад

      I hope someday you get another! It’s hard to live without!

  • @AdamTheAd-vanc3d
    @AdamTheAd-vanc3d 6 лет назад

    Free musicl expression. Just the way i like it Moot. Btw is the middle left hand control button vibrato. Its taken me this long to bump into this vid. I must've been dwelling on another planet. Awesome stuff !!!!!

  • @ChristianSchonbergerMusic
    @ChristianSchonbergerMusic 9 лет назад +3

    Great demo! Nothing can beat the power of a real analog synth. The reverb you are using with this little beast is great BTW!

    • @gerhardtorges116
      @gerhardtorges116 9 лет назад

      Ping, *****. ;-)

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +1

      Christian Schonberger Thanks very much :) The more I use this synth, the more I love it. A lot of features in a small package, and it's stable enough that I can use it on gigs without fear! If I remember correctly, the reverb I used on this video is Logic Space Designer.

  • @ginociancio1
    @ginociancio1 2 года назад

    I enjoyed your playing great even the sound you get out of the oddisy but good playing 👍🎼

  • @Mannex17
    @Mannex17 6 лет назад

    absolutely sick demo

  • @VolcaRock
    @VolcaRock 9 лет назад +2

    great funky playing! pretty cool lead and bass sounds!
    .... every time I look at your Oddy I have the feeling to swap my orange into that great looking white face :-)

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +1

      you could probably trade yours for a white one, if you could stand to be without yours for a little while! I was happy that the classic colors didn't cost any more money.

    • @VolcaRock
      @VolcaRock 9 лет назад +3

      yes I know, that I could, but right at the moment I don't want to miss it, I wanted to preorder the white one, but when I saw the estimated delivery time, I made the decision to take the standard version.
      And yes its pretty cool that Korg sell the limited editions for the same bucks:-)

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +1

      VolcaRock I don't blame you! I couldn't part with mine for more than a day :)

  • @isherrod13
    @isherrod13 8 лет назад +1

    I'm completely overwhelmed

  • @philoupaulo
    @philoupaulo 9 лет назад +1

    What a diabolic machine !

  • @therealborischang
    @therealborischang 6 лет назад

    This might be a fun 5th or 6th keyboard-after a good digital piano, organ and a couple of samplers and polyphonic synthesizers. For performing, this might be fun to add fill sounds. For pure sonic exploration I would sooner build a modular wall one component at a time.

  • @abusque
    @abusque 9 лет назад +3

    I think this might have convinced me to finally buy one. You should get paid by Korg to do these, it's more compelling than any of their videos. By the way I noticed the whiteface edition (which I think looks much better than the standard one) has smaller sliders. Do you find this to be problematic, especially in live performance such as this?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +3

      Wow, that's awesome! I basically did this as a response to the crappy demos I've seen of this thing, beginning with the NAMM show! There have been very few people who seemed to really understand how this synth works (I'm looking at you, Rich Formidoni). I would love it if Korg took notice of what I'm doing...hey, it's happened before!
      About the sliders - I find this original Mk1 color scheme to be much easier in live performance. I play this synth all night at every gig. The slider caps are not as tiny as they seem in pics. There's plenty to grab hold of! Cheers!

  • @hajimmie
    @hajimmie 9 лет назад +1

    I've been hunting for the rev1 since day one and you still can't find one in Japan! It looks like the wait will be extended to July or August...

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад

      hajimmie wow! I am sorry to hear that! It's a bit ironic isn't it? Weren't they shipped to the States from Japan? I would have thought the Rev1 and Rev2 would have been available from the beginning there!

    • @hajimmie
      @hajimmie 9 лет назад +1

      mootbooxle Thanks for your reply! I've JUST got a call from a store and they said rev1 just has been released in Japan and I'll get one for my pre-order finally! Korg being a Japanese company I thought this delay was odd tho (we've got stuff always fastest - like volcas MS20s and so on)

  • @Thisisspacemusic
    @Thisisspacemusic 8 лет назад +1

    Hi, great video! Would you suggest getting the Karp? I was curious of the build quality as well. I'm torn between that and the sub phatty moog. What would you say is better?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад +7

      Dee Patrick I can't recommend the Korg ARP Odyssey highly enough! It is the most versatile, best-sounding synthesizer you can get in its price range. In nearly any price range. The Sub Phatty is a nice machine, and well-built, but isn't as flexible. I will say this: I've played this Odyssey 3 hours a night, 3-4 nights a week, in all kinds of venues over the past year and a half, and it is showing no signs of wear or failure!

    • @Thisisspacemusic
      @Thisisspacemusic 8 лет назад +1

      Cool, thanks so much for your feedback. I've been watching tons of videos and it looks awesome. I'll be ordering one this weekend! Can't wait to play it. Take care!

  • @longfade
    @longfade 5 лет назад +1

    Damn, wow.

  • @SanderAnderon
    @SanderAnderon 9 лет назад

    brilliant

  • @daikuone
    @daikuone 7 лет назад +1

    Are you going to get the full size now that it is released? Would match nicely with your Moog :-). I know you had no problem with the smaller keys.

  • @stack0413
    @stack0413 9 лет назад

    Holy Shit Man!!!

  • @joshprice3730
    @joshprice3730 7 лет назад +1

    6:12 Legend of Zelda feels

  • @mogoduc
    @mogoduc 8 лет назад +2

    Was it easy to get along with the mini keyboard?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад +2

      Yes! It's not mini keys like on small Yamaha toy keyboards or like the Reface series. It's somewhere in between that and full sized keys - very playable. I actually prefer it for certain things!

    • @mogoduc
      @mogoduc 8 лет назад

      Thanks man! I like your stuff!

    • @TooSlowTube
      @TooSlowTube 6 лет назад +1

      A bit late as an answer to your question, but I tried the keyboard version in a shop and I thought the keys were really good. I went with the module version in the end, which is what I'd originally intended, but I did think about getting the keyboard.
      If you want to play fast, the slimmer keys probably help speed you up, once you get used to them. If you have really wide finger tips, they might be a problem though, I suppose.
      People play different sized string instruments and don't normally complain about the "mini frets" on their ukulele being too small, compared to their bass guitar. Keyboard players are fussier, for some reason :)
      The brain does adjust to similar things having different controls though. A good example is phones and calculators - all phones I've ever used with a keypad have 123 at the top, and all calculators I've ever used have 123 at the bottom, under 456. Until that was pointed out to me, I probably hadn't even noticed. I'd certainly never thought about it.

  • @AdamBorseti
    @AdamBorseti 9 лет назад

    So! What's your favorite filter?
    The 4023 (2-Pole which you seem to favor) 4035 (Moog copy) or the later 4075 (ARP 4-Pole)

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +1

      +Adam Borseti Sorry I missed this comment before. I prefer the 2-pole 4023 most of the time (as evidenced by these videos), just because it has that classic, distinctive ARP sound that I love from so many classic records. I do like to use the others more now, in certain applications. The 4035, combined with defeating the duophony and the retriggering of the filter, can make this synth sound very much like a classic Moog, but in a way, I feel like that's defeating the purpose of having such a unique synth! I have other synths that sound more like a real Moog, when I need that sound. They compliment each other really well.
      The 4075 is great for thinner sounds. You can get a really convincing Solina sound with this synth using that filter.

  • @peepeeland
    @peepeeland 9 лет назад +2

    At times, the keyboard under the keys you're playing looks like it's above the keys you're playing, and then it's like your hands are going through the keyboard, myaaaaan.....

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад

      Trippy! You can definitely see the difference in the key size when it's right next to a "standard" keyboard.

    • @peepeeland
      @peepeeland 9 лет назад +1

      Yah, the larger keys is one reason why the bottom keyboard looks like it's on top.

    • @barryrubin2631
      @barryrubin2631 9 лет назад +1

      mootbooxle Moot!! I love all your videos..and your skills brother!!!
      I tried the black one in guitar center in Jersey...and the small keys ...i didn't dig the feel...It is inspiring to get one ..watching you play this demo!! was the small keys a factor for you? did it take time to adjust for you to get used to playing it with smaller keys...although it looks and sounds you were born with this instrument in your hand!! lol

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +1

      Barry Rubin Thanks so much Barry! About a year prior to getting this synth, I bought a harpsichord, and practiced on it several hours a day...The keys on the new Odyssey are the exact same size! It took quite a bit of practice to get good at the smaller keys and light action of the harpsichord without it being clam city, hitting two keys instead of one etc...So when I got this, it took me maybe 30 minutes to adjust. I play my Odyssey at every gig now, 3 hours a night, 2-3 times a week...so by now it is like second nature! I appreciate the kind words man!

    • @HotStrange
      @HotStrange 8 лет назад

      +Barry Rubin if you have talent and the dedication to practice, tiny keys are not a deal breaker at all.

  • @TooSlowTube
    @TooSlowTube 6 лет назад +1

    When you use filter key tracking but play two notes at a time, which note is being tracked?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  6 лет назад

      TooSlowTube great question! The filter CV amount is always low note priority, so it will always track the lowest note being played.

    • @TooSlowTube
      @TooSlowTube 6 лет назад

      Thanks. That explains some of the difficulty I've had getting a decent duophonic sound :)
      It seems to be hard to avoid a drop in volume, playing two notes together. I thought maybe it just restricts what you can do with oscillator levels, but if the notes are too far apart, the lower one will be closing the filter on the higher one...
      I can't help thinking it would have been better to do it the other way, and track the higher note. I know Korg were aiming for authenticity, so that's how it's meant to be though.
      Maybe the monophonic patch, with CV Out to CV In is a good way to go then.

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  6 лет назад +1

      TooSlowTube sometimes I use the Odyssey specifically for the duophonic stuff, but most of the time I'm playing it monophonically. You said it, there are lots of limitations when it comes to this type of fake polyphony. You have to modify your technique quite a bit, and any sort of long release sounds really odd. Being able to select low/high note priority on the filter tracking would be cool, wouldn't it? So many little things I want to eventually mod my Odyssey to do. Imo the dumbest feature on the thing is the resetting LFO. I can think of almost no situation in which resetting the LFO on each new note is useful on this type of synth. I'd love to have that on a toggle switch!

    • @TooSlowTube
      @TooSlowTube 6 лет назад

      Yep. Some mods would be good.
      I think I'd settle for full time high note tracking of the filter, so the high note doesn't get muffled.
      I expect the LFO reset thing is one capacitor from Gate or Trigger... or maybe one from each. Modding it for a switch should be simple, apart from the soldering...
      I'm not sure I'd dare, because I'm not good enough at it. My hands aren't steady enough. I desoldered the SMD clipping diodes from a guitar overdrive pedal and mananged to tear off a bit of the track, at one end. I worked around it, but I'd hate to do something like that to my Odyssey module.
      Having played with the duophony a bit, I think I'd settle for full time monophony instead. I might do that, once the guarantee runs out - that parts easy enough. I should be able to add a switch for high note or low note priority too.
      Since the CVs for the oscillators are produced by the CPU board, it seems to me they could easily add a last note priority option in the firmware, maybe switched by sysex, so it doesn't need a physical switch - like on the Minibrute.
      I assume the keyboard Odysssey does it the same way, i.e. the keybed doesn't produce the CVs, it just talks to the CPU board. There can't be too many differences between the module version and one you have - it would make it too expensive to produce.
      One thing I'd like to change physically would be to add a separate slider for key tracking and pedal filter control - I want to use both at once, not have to choose one. I'd settle for one being on a pot. I could probably handle the soldering for that, because it would just be tacking wires on and maybe cutting a track or two - that part of the circuit is just a passive mixer.

    • @SweetChinMuzik1
      @SweetChinMuzik1 6 лет назад

      TooSlowTube the low note priority of the key tracking is one of the quirks that make it charming IMO...nothing really comes close to capturing the sound of an Odyssey!

  • @SweetChinMuzik1
    @SweetChinMuzik1 7 лет назад +1

    thought I was watching Jexus for a second lol

    • @MisAnnThorpe
      @MisAnnThorpe 7 лет назад

      Jexus might be a brilliant programmer Rob but he's no keyboard virtuoso.

    • @SweetChinMuzik1
      @SweetChinMuzik1 6 лет назад +1

      MisAnnThorpe yes, Matt is clearly a better keyboard player.
      Jexus may not be an all world keyboardist but his playing is very tasteful IMO

  • @charliewisp
    @charliewisp 10 месяцев назад

    Where can we buy your patches?

  • @fender1000100
    @fender1000100 7 лет назад +1

    OMG fat and organic love it.

  • @phlattgetit
    @phlattgetit 8 лет назад +1

    Hey Moot, I hate to have to bother you with a technical question. I can't find it in any of the literature or online. For the authentic Rev.1 response and sound is the little button portamento mode supposed to be out, showing blue or pushed in showing dark?
    Thanks for all you do and God keep the funk!

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад

      To tell you the truth, I am not sure, because neither one of our Mk1 Odysseys at the studio are working correctly at the moment! I will let you know once we get them repaired :)

    • @LlewynDaviesTheThird
      @LlewynDaviesTheThird 8 лет назад +2

      phlattgetit I think pushed in. This means the portamento engages when using the octave up/down switch. Think "summer madness" by kool and the gang. This was the default behaviour of the early models by my understanding

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад

      +Bill ambrose You're absolutely right Bill, I don't know why I didn't think about that! Summer Madness wouldn't even be possible without that transpose portamento trick! Good observation.

    • @phlattgetit
      @phlattgetit 8 лет назад

      Thanks Bill, Moot! in it is.

  • @IoannisKazlaris
    @IoannisKazlaris 7 лет назад +1

    Do you mind telling me if the sliders on the Odyssey wiggle?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  7 лет назад +2

      Ioannis Kazlaris they do wiggle a bit, but not enough to feel flimsy or cheap. For what it's worth, though, the sliders on the new module version are MUCH stiffer, if that's your preference !

    • @IoannisKazlaris
      @IoannisKazlaris 7 лет назад

      Thank you! Post more funk-ness when possible!

  • @Duplanmodular
    @Duplanmodular 9 лет назад

    Reminds me of the intro of Lazy in Made in Japan..

  • @keithmotty1
    @keithmotty1 8 лет назад +1

    you should do a cover of Manfred manns ,,, Starbird.......

  • @megabugginout
    @megabugginout 7 лет назад

    this guy reminds me of s
    demo synth youtuber Jexus.

  • @phlattgetit
    @phlattgetit 9 лет назад

    I noticed you stayed on the rev1 filter the majority of the time and never used the rev 3. I also noticed you kept the filter drive switch on the whole time.
    Is that on purpose or just an oversight?
    I just got my whiteface and so far haven't liked anything I've found with the rev 3 setting yet. I'm not sure about the drive switch?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  9 лет назад +3

      phlattgetit I just really like the Rev1 filter the best! It's that liquid, old-school Odyssey sound I'm used to hearing from so many classic records! It definitely responds very differently to other filters. The Rev2 setting is nice, but much more typical Moog-style, which is something I enjoy a departure from! And I agree, the Rev3 filter is not as useful. Kinda nasal sounding! Sometimes it's great in arrangements though. I keep the drive switch on all the time, because all it really is is a volume boost! I was using the XLR output, which is much quieter in general. What's great is that the synth is nearly noiseless using it!

    • @phlattgetit
      @phlattgetit 8 лет назад

      After a year and sending one unit back and getting a different whiteface I've changed my stance on the rev.3.
      I actually like it really well and of course the rev.1
      it's number 2 now I can't find much use for.

    • @nivac5227
      @nivac5227 7 лет назад

      phlattgetit: I'm curious, why did you change that one?

  • @pvillez
    @pvillez 8 лет назад

    Some "My Spanish Heart" Corea nicely woven in there?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад

      I can't resist playing Chick licks when I hear certain sounds!

    • @pvillez
      @pvillez 8 лет назад +1

      my ears lit up!. Thank you for the fab demo! I didn't realise you could juice so much out of it.

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад

      +pvillez thank you very much! The Odyssey is actually one of the most versatile analog synths out there!

  • @therealborischang
    @therealborischang 6 лет назад

    It sounds weird when it switches between paraphonic and monophonic as your fingers switch from two down to one down.

  • @lownrgy
    @lownrgy 7 лет назад

    you forgot sync lead!

  • @claytonlevibrown
    @claytonlevibrown 8 лет назад +12

    why is everyone playing this thing so rushed does no one have any patience

    • @SPAZZOID100
      @SPAZZOID100 8 лет назад +4

      Clayton Brown huhh???

    • @LFOVCF
      @LFOVCF 7 лет назад +4

      Are you talking about what I call 'diddly widdly' playing? Kind of random jazzy tuneless fingerings? Does my head in. Sorry if that offends anyone, it's just my opinion. I just don't like demos with all that. You virtually never hear it in a track, unless it's prog rock.

    • @Shred_The_Weapon
      @Shred_The_Weapon 7 лет назад +4

      I think it's great! The playing and the tweaking compliment each other perfectly, in my humble opinion. And, we need more examples of such fluidity these days, not less.

    • @rolobotoman
      @rolobotoman 7 лет назад +2

      When it comes to synths on yt, that's what you get. Guitar like shreds or the hobbyist's loop of boredoom. I have to say that as a sound demo for the odissey, it works pretty well, he does go places.

    • @lownrgy
      @lownrgy 7 лет назад

      because its not music, you have to be patient when playing or recording a song, it gets boring really fast. once in a while especially with new instrument its fun to just try things

  • @locoluciano6745
    @locoluciano6745 5 лет назад

    its not a full range )))

  • @nickangel6596
    @nickangel6596 7 лет назад

    a demo of how you play the keyboard - quite stupidly otherwise - and that does not show the possibilities of this magnificent instrument - why youtube is it invaded by this kind of indigestible video.

  • @mahiramvevo
    @mahiramvevo 8 лет назад

    is it midi ?

    • @mootbooxle
      @mootbooxle  8 лет назад

      It has MIDI in, and a USB connection that you can use to control a computer with (or vice versa). It only sends/receives note data - no slider info.

    • @mahiramvevo
      @mahiramvevo 8 лет назад

      mootbooxle thanks a lot

    • @SPAZZOID100
      @SPAZZOID100 8 лет назад

      mootbooxle only downside. Cannot believe Korg had such an oversight!!!

    • @lucasc5622
      @lucasc5622 3 года назад

      adding slider info over midi is much more complex than most people seem to think. you would have to change so much in the schematic, that it wouldnt really be an odyssey anymore

  • @ramireza6904
    @ramireza6904 5 лет назад

    terrible