miya in the end said that : I lost , but im able to glimpse the opportunity of winning , However Joker's ledge recover is so weak, especially in arsene mode
@@DavionLane ah yes, the first game matters more than the set. Leo is known for his adaptation and he's lost a lot of game 1s in his sets since the beginning
@@VishnuKumar-nt5oy Even Acola literally gets 3 stocked by Miya, Yoshidora, and Asimo but still wins the whole set. Just goes to show insignificant a 3 stock game win is.
Ok. Miya isn't kidding when he says he can beat Leo too. This is just 1 friendlies set and it's not in a bracket. We'll see who will win in a bracket when that day comes.
@@HeavensMystery I saw it a while back but I don't know where it is Try looking around, its somewhere on youtube, it could be this channel for all I know, but I did watch it
The squad strike set is real. But also don't k own where the VOD is. Leo went Joker, Byleth, Corrin i believe. Miya went Game& Watch, Steve, Mii Sword Fighter I believe. Leo won 3-0 or 3-1. I'm certain it wasn't a game 5 situation
@@natecallon9755 Ugh I want it to be true but the real current top 3 can ALSO beat the cheese. I think Leos skill level is still the best, especially after watching him outplay that Steve in Japan the whole set and still lose. But the title BEST has to bring results with it. I'm curious is Joker/Corrin is the move.
@@VehicleVibes_ Yeah, after the buffs Corrin is super good in this meta. He loves Byleth though and I can't stop him from playing characters he loves to play, I just wonder if it was a life or death situation who he'd play in this meta.
@@VehicleVibes_ MKleo has won so many majors, doubles tournaments, even Squad Strike against the worlds greatest. Lets not forget how he ran through the Ludwig Invitational against the top in the world (Acola present) and never lost a set, only a game. He's also done it with so many different characters, and was global rank #1 for 4 years straight which is beyond insane. There isn't much left for him to accomplish at this point for the game, and after holding the #1 seat for so long (longer than any smash ultimate player so by a longshot) he deserves a break from it all. He plays casually now, you can tell because he doesn't attend tournaments as often anymore. It's really a just a treat at this point to watch him play. If he ever decides to come back full force, I'm sure we'll all know it.
That's just the current state of the game for better or worse. TOD characters, Steve and some cheese in between. It's rough being a top player in the current meta for sure. Makes good spectator sports most of the time though 😂@@natecallon9755
@@justice8718 Game and Watch carries no more than Fox and Joker do, and denying that Miya is one of the most fundamentally sound players in the world is stupid.
Thanks for your uploads, as always! No one else does it like you, and we truly appreciate it! For the Tokyo Bootcamp, is there one of Leo vs Acola? I would really like to see how they do against each other now
I was about to say how Leo deserved to win, but it's also partly because I feel the new meta is carried by cheese characters lately, rather than raw fundamentals- and it sounds "toxic", I'm well aware, so I tried to save it and not descredit Miya, as I do recognize the interactions he does really well (i.e how the fuck does he get so many grabs,etc). I don't know, man. Leo is just so relatable right now. If he, the ex best in the world can put up getting 3 stocked like Game 1 and keep pushing, that really speaks about him and his mindset. I'm no Leo fanboy, but I still root for him all the way.
@@LoadedKlipI guess you don't understand jokes. But even jokes aside, he would do good studying this because Leo always washes him. Miya played well and 2 of the Leo wins were last hit situations that could have gone the other way. The Acola adice also doesn't make sense because there are hardly any top level Steve's in NA. Tamap sure. But he runs into Leo often and I can't remember the last time he won that...if ever so yeah I think watching what Miya did in his 2 wins would benifit him.
@kalleb92 Leo loses games to Maister. He just doesn't lose sets. So you are wrong on that one. He loses the same way Miya just lost. No worst. Maister struggles vs Onin and other steves unlike Miya. Literally failed to win a major because of Onin. So wrong again. As for your jokes .. maybe try making it funny? That would be a good goal for u to have 😉
@@LoadedKlip @LoadedKlip I never said maister doesn't win games. But maybe to clarify for you, I do think that Miya played the match up better. In the past year maister has lost sets to Leo 6 times and onin 3. He's also only ever beat Leo in 4 sets over 36. He's beat onin in 4 sets over 9. So yeah I think he has more of a Leo problem than Onin. It is pretty funny seeing you struggle with your take though, maybe I'll take some comedy tips off you, thanks for helping me achieve my goal :)
@@kalleb92 so watching someone else lose to Leo with Game & Watch will help Maister beat Leo with Game & Watch? There u go ... you finally made a joke.
Jokers normals in neutral are so limiting. He usually uses nair spotdodge or bair dashback to get openings. Without buttons, or just hanging back outside of threat bubbles with gun--so excellent. But buttons and challenging hitboxes is so bad. Almost every opening Leo got he pushed so hard, but he didn't really "win" neutral very often, he just got good hits coming down from disadvantage/catching overextensions, converted, and held advantage for like 8 years. Sometimes he won scrambles just by being tiny, which is a neutral win, technically, but so volatile.
Look I'm not denying that MiYa is a good player, but Steve/Alex is such a dumb character for babies. In that second game, Leo had to put in a crazy amount of skill and effort for each of those kills, while Steve just kinda mined behind a wall of blocks and swung a sword when Joker got too close. It really generates negative hype, it's frustrating.
That Steve combo was nasty it was practically 0-100 in 1 interaction. Also good games to both but Leo let GW get off the ledge with jump for free far too many times. Also I know GW juggles you a lot but man this was a nightmare
Big congrats to LEO. this was the most childish shit i've ever watched. I cant imagine how anyone over the age of 13 finds G&W or Steve entertaining. I am surprised that Leo had the patience for this as a grown man. Kudos
Sad to say, but Leo is absolute ass at this game compared to the top 20 players. Leo has always been and always will be my favorite player, but he just refuses or is incapable of going to the next level. He still practices the same way as 2016. He doesn’t study opponents, his disadvantage is atrocious, and his punish game is not deep enough. He thinks the problem lies with the character choices, which leads to him splitting his focus between many characters which is a detriment at top 20 lvl. He thinks that “just playing the game for hours” will help him improve but it doesn’t. He needs to be Deliberate and intentional with what is being practiced. He has no set plays, and can’t identify traps so he falls for opponents set plays consistently. His Di is terrible. He has got a clue on how to beat Marios, Rats, Kazuya, etc etc. Look at Gluto…Gluto loses to something, then does everything in his power to work on that specific matchup or weakness. Tweek does it, Light does it, Sonix, Spargo, MuteAce etc etc… But Leo loses to the same character, same combos over and over. He’s the only top 20 player than continuously gets gimped and cheese because he does learn. Seeing him fail to adapt hurts me so bad as Leo fan, but I have given up all hope.
I agree with his disadvantage, its become so horrible recently. But the rest of it is just overreacting. He does suck at di sometimes, but he has been improving that, especially di against mario. And I believe his roy will overcome the next time he meets snow/another mario. Rest of what you said is just critiquing his practice methods which I'm not sure how you know????
Es increible como Leo se adapta en cada game y termina ganándole a Miya Y que triste es ver como un personaje como Joker tiene que esforzarse y tener habilidad para quitar stocks, mientras G&W te quita stock de manera facil y con 0 habilidad
Игры
Leo v miya this is the first time ever seeing this and I’m glad to see Leo Joker more.
miya in the end said that : I lost , but im able to glimpse the opportunity of winning , However Joker's ledge recover is so weak, especially in arsene mode
こういう動画化されない試合や、普段の海外のプレイヤーの配信などを追うのはとても大変なので助かります。
SmashLibrarianさんいつもありがとう。Thank you!
大型大会のリザルト外の有名選手の試合とか見るのにマジで助かってる
I've been waiting for this, and it was perfect.
I'm glad this channel uploaded this set, hopefully it means more people will see it. I really hope we see this matchup in a real bracket someday.
Leos joker is just too epic, its never boring seeing him play joker
Leo wasn't kidding when he said he could beat Miya! Proved it here and put his money where his mouth is
1:50 3 stock
@@DavionLane ah yes, the first game matters more than the set. Leo is known for his adaptation and he's lost a lot of game 1s in his sets since the beginning
@@VishnuKumar-nt5oy Even Acola literally gets 3 stocked by Miya, Yoshidora, and Asimo but still wins the whole set. Just goes to show insignificant a 3 stock game win is.
Ok. Miya isn't kidding when he says he can beat Leo too. This is just 1 friendlies set and it's not in a bracket. We'll see who will win in a bracket when that day comes.
@@VishnuKumar-nt5oy I was kidding lol
Dope set. Now we just gotta see it in a tournament setting...
Happened in Squad Strike, Same Results as here. Haven't gotten in a singles yet though
@uran10clipschannel Do you have vod for the squad strike sets?
@@HeavensMystery I saw it a while back but I don't know where it is Try looking around, its somewhere on youtube, it could be this channel for all I know, but I did watch it
The squad strike set is real. But also don't k own where the VOD is.
Leo went Joker, Byleth, Corrin i believe.
Miya went Game& Watch, Steve, Mii Sword Fighter I believe.
Leo won 3-0 or 3-1. I'm certain it wasn't a game 5 situation
@@uran10clipschannelSquad strike is a side event. Let’s see it in the main bracket
見たかった！！！
The problem to Leo is to get there, we need exhibition matches. This is more entertaining than some top 8 sadly.
If Leo stopped getting upset losses, he could play against the top 5 and win it all
He's so good into top players but will lose to mario, oli and pika...lol
Take cheese out of bracket and he's top 3 imo
@@natecallon9755 Ugh I want it to be true but the real current top 3 can ALSO beat the cheese. I think Leos skill level is still the best, especially after watching him outplay that Steve in Japan the whole set and still lose. But the title BEST has to bring results with it. I'm curious is Joker/Corrin is the move.
@@VehicleVibes_ Yeah, after the buffs Corrin is super good in this meta. He loves Byleth though and I can't stop him from playing characters he loves to play, I just wonder if it was a life or death situation who he'd play in this meta.
@@VehicleVibes_ MKleo has won so many majors, doubles tournaments, even Squad Strike against the worlds greatest. Lets not forget how he ran through the Ludwig Invitational against the top in the world (Acola present) and never lost a set, only a game. He's also done it with so many different characters, and was global rank #1 for 4 years straight which is beyond insane. There isn't much left for him to accomplish at this point for the game, and after holding the #1 seat for so long (longer than any smash ultimate player so by a longshot) he deserves a break from it all. He plays casually now, you can tell because he doesn't attend tournaments as often anymore. It's really a just a treat at this point to watch him play. If he ever decides to come back full force, I'm sure we'll all know it.
That's just the current state of the game for better or worse. TOD characters, Steve and some cheese in between. It's rough being a top player in the current meta for sure. Makes good spectator sports most of the time though 😂@@natecallon9755
Tbf Leo has A LOT of experience against Maister and G&W in general so it’s not surprising he can adapt very quickly.
But he 18-1 dabuz when he gets 0-10 shuton
Miya is like a machine sometimes man. So accurate.
Leo may have won the set, but it felt like Miya won.
Leo barely got by with a few good last hits but it felt like Miya was running the show.
agree
@alexina4567
Nah. That’s the Game and Watch and Steve carrying him. Leo and Light destroyed him for a reason.
@@justice8718 Game and Watch carries no more than Fox and Joker do, and denying that Miya is one of the most fundamentally sound players in the world is stupid.
@@lokks2130 Joker and Fox objectively have far worse match ups than Game and Watch, and far more weaknesses than Game and Watch.
Leo’s pretty good when he’s not choking
Two Kings 👑
Thanks for your uploads, as always! No one else does it like you, and we truly appreciate it!
For the Tokyo Bootcamp, is there one of Leo vs Acola? I would really like to see how they do against each other now
I don't think so, unfortunately. Not sure if Acola was even at SBC!
6:53 both of them moved their heads in sign of "what a lie" XDDD
That first game was insane!!! I've never seen MKLeo get 3-stocked before!
Tweekのディディーに3タテされてたよ
Leoが世界で1番レベルでMaisterと対戦してるのを加味した上でかなりミーヤーヤバいな
試合終わるごとにザクさんの名前しか出さないのおもろいw
このカード見たかった！！！！
Bro Miya is so good with these parries
18:51 maister absolute goes for Judge 9there
This explains why leo tried to sdi in against the steve at kagaribi. He did manage to pass through miya in game 2
OMG GAME 1!!
Everything that maister never achieved Vs Leo 🫨
Holy shit this video got 54K views. I wonder how much views a non-friendly set between them would get.
Leo knows the g&w matchup really well
Looking cool Joker
I was about to say how Leo deserved to win, but it's also partly because I feel the new meta is carried by cheese characters lately, rather than raw fundamentals- and it sounds "toxic", I'm well aware, so I tried to save it and not descredit Miya, as I do recognize the interactions he does really well (i.e how the fuck does he get so many grabs,etc).
I don't know, man. Leo is just so relatable right now. If he, the ex best in the world can put up getting 3 stocked like Game 1 and keep pushing, that really speaks about him and his mindset. I'm no Leo fanboy, but I still root for him all the way.
These are literally friendlies brother idk if u knew that
The only cheese gnw has is judgement, which rarely sees use unless he’s really far behind. He’s pretty much a fundies character
friendlies or not he still beat miya
La Demostración de Mksexy es fascinante
7:14 miyas reaction to getting hit like that.
Maister really gonna be reviewing this set till the end of time
Why ... Miya lost.
Maister would be better off studying Miya vs Acola, TamaP and others.
@@LoadedKlipI guess you don't understand jokes.
But even jokes aside, he would do good studying this because Leo always washes him. Miya played well and 2 of the Leo wins were last hit situations that could have gone the other way.
The Acola adice also doesn't make sense because there are hardly any top level Steve's in NA. Tamap sure. But he runs into Leo often and I can't remember the last time he won that...if ever so yeah I think watching what Miya did in his 2 wins would benifit him.
@kalleb92 Leo loses games to Maister. He just doesn't lose sets. So you are wrong on that one. He loses the same way Miya just lost. No worst.
Maister struggles vs Onin and other steves unlike Miya. Literally failed to win a major because of Onin. So wrong again.
As for your jokes .. maybe try making it funny? That would be a good goal for u to have 😉
@@LoadedKlip @LoadedKlip
I never said maister doesn't win games. But maybe to clarify for you, I do think that Miya played the match up better.
In the past year maister has lost sets to Leo 6 times and onin 3. He's also only ever beat Leo in 4 sets over 36. He's beat onin in 4 sets over 9. So yeah I think he has more of a Leo problem than Onin.
It is pretty funny seeing you struggle with your take though, maybe I'll take some comedy tips off you, thanks for helping me achieve my goal :)
@@kalleb92 so watching someone else lose to Leo with Game & Watch will help Maister beat Leo with Game & Watch?
There u go ... you finally made a joke.
Jokers normals in neutral are so limiting. He usually uses nair spotdodge or bair dashback to get openings. Without buttons, or just hanging back outside of threat bubbles with gun--so excellent. But buttons and challenging hitboxes is so bad.
Almost every opening Leo got he pushed so hard, but he didn't really "win" neutral very often, he just got good hits coming down from disadvantage/catching overextensions, converted, and held advantage for like 8 years. Sometimes he won scrambles just by being tiny, which is a neutral win, technically, but so volatile.
Funny how Game 4 LEO takes affect even in friendlies
Leo never give up, nice nice
You could tell Leo wasn’t playing for real since he wasn’t doing rebels guard, especially against GnW
Me parece muy raro ver ganar a Leo.
Esto pasó en un torneo?
Que reñido y para mi era un desconocido…
まじでレオ対ゲッチ上手いな
19:14 i think i heard big boss say: are you god?
Yall heard leos moan at the end of the first game? Lmaoo
mkleoのジョーカーを3タテしてて草
強すぎだろミーヤー
なお後半連敗してる模様
@@larkps5991
マンマミーヤ
ミーヤーの何が手強いってゲムヲ単だったら対応されて終わりだけど、それを保管するスティーブが居る事。
ゲムヲ単でも相当強いよな
対応されてるとこ全然みないけどな、勝てる人はずっと処ってるイメージがある。
Realistically miya is going steve to win
レオには無限の可能性を感じるわ
レオは長い間、世界最高の選手だったね
bruh, leo sdi'd here, but didn't sdi when he fought yamanaction
"just sdi" they were saying the same with Sm4sh Bayo...
@@kenspeedway1572No but it’s actually really easy to escape Steve jab combos, especially if you’re not a fast faller like fox or brawler.
@@kenspeedway1572 Lol steve combos are way easier to escape than bayo combos stop being such a karen.
@@ragames7320 "Yeah just do this super specific tech that doesn't work on every character there's no way the Steve player will react to that" :v
@@kenspeedway1572 is this "super specific tech" in the room with us right now?
Did Acola play some friendly with any NA player?
Doesn't seem like it, or at least, not on stream
acola wasn't in the bootcamp
Acola wasn't here
@@rance-sama3168he was
Look I'm not denying that MiYa is a good player, but Steve/Alex is such a dumb character for babies. In that second game, Leo had to put in a crazy amount of skill and effort for each of those kills, while Steve just kinda mined behind a wall of blocks and swung a sword when Joker got too close. It really generates negative hype, it's frustrating.
Yes, Steve is braindead. We get it. Yall complain as if he's not being used optimally
Same bro, I just dont get how is not banned yet
ミーヤー強すぎ惜しい
That Steve combo was nasty it was practically 0-100 in 1 interaction. Also good games to both but Leo let GW get off the ledge with jump for free far too many times. Also I know GW juggles you a lot but man this was a nightmare
Se cogietron al Miya... Se ve que estaban los 2 de chill in drin...
Mkleo スティーブの弱へのずらし…
ミーヤーって素直で可愛いから人気なんだろなぁって思います、上から目線ですいません
分かる。悪童とか言われてることもあるけど、なんか嫌いになれないし、この人にしかない魅力があると思うわ
自信に満ちてるところが好きです笑
snsが厄介なせいで、お利口で腹の底が見えない感じの大人びた若い子が多いからね。
Leo後半勝ってるのに日本勢のコメだけネガるコメばっかやな最初だけ見てコメしてるな
ジョーカー操作の複雑さに対してリターンが少なすぎるだろ…
まあまだ十分強キャラではある
huMiya y se divierte
Miya didn’t seem too fond of MK Leo. Maybe it’s the language barrier though?
ジョーカー大体復帰で死にかけてるし何%もらっとんねんこのキャラ…そういうところやぞほんま
アルセーヌくん…😭
Isn’t Leo washed?
Only in big tournaments or when the number of top players he’s facing is greater than 2.
ジョーカー復帰でやられてるイメージ多いけど。崖 復帰防止最強クラスのゲッチって考えたらそりゃそーよなって気もする。
他のキャラでも同じこと言えるよね。
ちなみにジョーカー使い込んだらわかるけどまじで復帰弱いぞ。アルセーヌなんて持続長い攻撃崖側に置かれるだけで一生上がれんし、ワイヤー復帰もちゃんとした上Bワイヤー族で1番事故る。ジャンプ残さないとサムスのボムとかがかするだけで事故って死ぬし
あ、いや俺もジョーカー4年使ってるのでわかるっすよ。
ゲッチがかなり強いと言いたいのです🙏
アルセーヌまじで復帰弱いな
前半はミーヤーが勝ってるけどさすがに後半はほとんどレオ勝ちだね。やっぱミーヤーはレオきついね
1試合目も3タテしたけど最初の流れは悪かったよな
これで九龍キャンセルしたんかな
自分が推してるグループのライブが日本であるの知らなくて急遽よ。理由なしにキャンセルするわけ無い
後半見てない人がなんかいってら
@@larkps5991ミーヤーと戦う前にまずはtop8に残らないと💦 試合結果だけでなく戦績を見ないとね
leo beats all ur tourney champios just he gets stuffed out in these dum pools
That’s why hes my king
Beating Acola but losing to Yamanaction is what left me dumbfounded.
@@ragames7320 he didn’t try
@@ragames7320Acola won the runback against MkLeo last time they played.
@@izzygarnelo that was after leo fell off. Peak leo 6-0d acola with ease
レオずらしさぼりすぎじゃね？
それちょっと思った笑
ジョーカー復帰弱すぎんか ワイヤー使えや
Big congrats to LEO. this was the most childish shit i've ever watched. I cant imagine how anyone over the age of 13 finds G&W or Steve entertaining. I am surprised that Leo had the patience for this as a grown man. Kudos
You toxic as fuck, thanks so much for this useless comment
For real… how many g&w upb’s did we witness………..
God I hate G&W.
But he got cheesed by joker?
@@ragames7320 Playing Joker actually takes skill. G&W entire moveset is cheese...
We all do
@@scottlo211 Did you know that arsene exists?
The only characters that deserves hate are sonic and steve....
Sad to say, but Leo is absolute ass at this game compared to the top 20 players.
Leo has always been and always will be my favorite player, but he just refuses or is incapable of going to the next level.
He still practices the same way as 2016. He doesn’t study opponents, his disadvantage is atrocious, and his punish game is not deep enough.
He thinks the problem lies with the character choices, which leads to him splitting his focus between many characters which is a detriment at top 20 lvl.
He thinks that “just playing the game for hours” will help him improve but it doesn’t. He needs to be Deliberate and intentional with what is being practiced.
He has no set plays, and can’t identify traps so he falls for opponents set plays consistently.
His Di is terrible. He has got a clue on how to beat Marios, Rats, Kazuya, etc etc.
Look at Gluto…Gluto loses to something, then does everything in his power to work on that specific matchup or weakness. Tweek does it, Light does it, Sonix, Spargo, MuteAce etc etc…
But Leo loses to the same character, same combos over and over.
He’s the only top 20 player than continuously gets gimped and cheese because he does learn. Seeing him fail to adapt hurts me so bad as Leo fan, but I have given up all hope.
Bro who are you to be talking again? I don't see you at tourneys.
Didn’t know a top 10 player was using a burner account 😮 oh wait you’re just some guy who would go 0-2 if you went to your local
"Can't identify traps"
Did you watch game 2? He fell for set plays consistently, until he didn't. I'm not even a Leo fan...
What kind of ass statement is this. This was the worst take I every read in the smash community
I agree with his disadvantage, its become so horrible recently. But the rest of it is just overreacting. He does suck at di sometimes, but he has been improving that, especially di against mario. And I believe his roy will overcome the next time he meets snow/another mario.
Rest of what you said is just critiquing his practice methods which I'm not sure how you know????
Es increible como Leo se adapta en cada game y termina ganándole a Miya
Y que triste es ver como un personaje como Joker tiene que esforzarse y tener habilidad para quitar stocks, mientras G&W te quita stock de manera facil y con 0 habilidad