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Next video suggestion: can you talk about randonauting? The places randonatica is sending ppl like the woods and to haunted abandoned places is creepy and the Seattle suitcase incident is the creepiest .. Hopefully noone from the dark web is running that app. Plz if anyone goes randonauting DONT GO AT NIGHT AND DONT GO BY YOURSELF BRING AT LEAST A GROUP OF PPL WITH YOU OR AT LEAST 3 PEOPLE MINIMUM!
Life hit him real hard in the balls (Dont take this as some kind of sick joke i used a poor choice of words and i understand that someone has misinterpreted my message)
there’s actually a supermarket employee who went missing named Larry Elly Murillo Moncada who died in 2009 when he presumably fell into an 18 inch gap behind a cooler and a wall, and he was missing for 10 years until his corpse was found in 2019 when the cooler was moved, perhaps something similar happened with this case
A kid went "missing" in the 90s, body was found in the chimy of a house across from his family home. Body was found 30 years later when house was being pulled down. Him and a friend meet a kid who said he had fun before leaving one weekend
Did you catch the guy in the crowd shouting 'yeah, he's dead'? Not that he knew or anything, but that's something cold to say when someone's asking for a missing person. Cold even by Pearl Jam concert estandards
People cheer anytime eddy vedder says or sings anything, I mean listen to him perform Yellow Ledbetter, you can barely understand every third word and people go crazy when Pearl Jam performs it live.
Felt bad for Eddie Vedder in that clip of him talking about Brian. Feels like barely anyone was probably listening to him, though hopefully at least his message got out to a couple people who cared.
I'm convinced you can say anything in stage at a concert and the audience with cheer. "Last April a guy named Brian Chauffer went missing." The crowd: YEAAAAHHHHH
My thoughts exactly. A moment of silence would have been far more appropriate. But I suppose the sort of people that go to concerts are too weak-willed for that.
I'm not being funny, I wouldn't take a lie detector test if I was asked. They're notoriously unreliable - especially since I have severe anxiety - and they can't be used in court anyway.
But why would he jst refuse to do it anyway, well he was his friend right? And when he didn't have anything to hide why would he refuse( obviously be afraid to be inquired). What a dumbass excuse. "A person went missing, not jst any, a friend, & you're afraid to answer saying you have anxiety issues!?"
Yeah. I'm confident that if I'd ever be in the position where I'd be asked to do the test I'd decline. And I'd never talk to cops without a lawyer. Innocent people get jailed way too often to take that risk just to look 'good'.
Man it must really suck for his girlfriend for one, losing her boyfriend with hardly a trace, and two, learning he was actively flirting with another girl before he disappeared. That's bound to be a barrage of conflicting feelings
seriously, i had a hard time drumming up sympathy for this cheating douche after i heard that. meanwhile his gf's out there searching for him for who knows how long after he vanishes...
i think it’s really beautiful what pearl jam did for Brian, even though it didn’t lead to anything, it showed that they cared about their fans and they took time out of their concert to promote finding him. glad there are still some good people in this world, it sure doesn’t always feel that way
There's good people. We are just outnumbered. As humans evolve this will change. Hunters will be gone murderers will not exist. Just think about this......one rule of living would change everything, NEVER HARM ANYTHING or ANYONE. Period. Just imagine........
Thing is that this also happened during the time before our phones recorded all of our positional data, now everyone has a camera, and a tracking device on our phones, it is damn near impossible to become lost like this if you have your phone on you, the only way is really if you don't have your phone on you when you go missing.
A few years ago while a good friend of mine was the foreman on a commercial construction site, one of his workers discovered a dead body wedged between two walls. That very area was scheduled to be sealed off the day after the body was found. It turned out the person who died had fallen from somewhere above and there wasn't any foul play. Incredibly shocking that if my friend's worker hadn't looked where he did, that body likely would have never been found. I wonder if something similar happened to Brian.
So lemme get this right...We simply pass off a cellphone ping as bs but search a whole freaking river because a PSYCHIC said to? I have serious questions about these peoples decision making.
Yeah but he's probably in that river. If you have read the book missing 411 a sobering coincidence you might think so too. A pretty high number of college or college age men have been found in bodies of water under mysterious circumstances after being out drinking. It's a crazy phenomenon, there one min and gone the next. Usually very intelligent men also...
There was a case, I forgot what it was about, but a dude had his car in a lake and no one could find him and it turns out he and his car was in a lake. They found out on Google maps. I’m not saying to use Google maps per say, but I think recheck water areas just to be safe. You never know.
@K He's kinda referring to those with his comment. Though not by name since there is little evidence to support the existence of a smiley face killer so he didn't mention it. The phenomenon itself about the dissappearances is real and exactly what he is referring to.
If he never left the building, he's still in that building. Somewhere in that building. They found a guy in a grocery store after 10 years between the freezer and the wall. He's in that building!!!!
Maan I was thinking about the same story when this video got into the construction zone part! I was thinking hes definitely in those walls or something terrible.
its honestly dissapointing in some way, like they´re cheering when someone is missing and nobody have any idea of where he might be. not like i dont understand the moment, because the fact that the member of pearl jam mention him is very good so it will be a nice thing for a lot of people there, but the fact that they couldnt even keep a minute in silence is kinda bad tho
My theory is that he's there...well his body. There was a case of a 20 year old man that left his house and was never seen again. Until 10 years later, construction workers found his body behind huge freezers where he previously worked at. Maybe Brian got stuck somewhere in the building and hasn't been found.
That’s what I think happened. They were renovating parts of the building the bat happened to be in and there was a construction area that was accessible just outside the bar in the same building. I think perhaps being drunk may have contributed too if he indeed did get stuck somewhere. There’s still the fact that one of his friend’s is shady about it and that raises some red flags, and I still wonder how nobody inside the bar or anyone he was with notice him going missing or walking into the construction area.
15:13 you can outwardly seem like you are handling grief well, but cancer is a terrible thing to go through and there is a very small amount of people who actually handle there mother dying “well”
I just hope the cheers were just cheers of support and solidarity. Either way, bad concert etiquette. If any musician stops their set with the words "dead serious here" you should take it upon yourself to stfu.
I feel so bad for Derek Shaffer. He lost his mom to cancer, his brother went missing under super mysterious circumstances, and his father died in a freak accident. :( Much love & prayers to Derek & his wife and kids.
He could be a killer. Had a guy last year killed the entire family bar 1 brother who was in another state, so he could get up the cash to hand over to a cam girl
Feel bad for him? eh... well he did cheated on his gf before he went missing at least he did his poor girlfriend a favor, imagine the girlfriend worried and later police and people in the bar found evidence that Brian cheated by kissing another woman's neck (being drunk is no excuse). I can't imagine how mix emotions she must felt by I'm glad she moved on and found a true man that loves her
I mean, that’s how I felt about drawing and going to tech school. Finished 3 years with 3 certifications. I never did anything with my associates degree. Just wound up at a warehouse and doing UberEats. I still draw, but not nearly as much as one should if they intend to persue a career in it. If he’s anything like me [I doubt it], he was probably very fickle. Doctors usually aren’t fickle, but he seems privy to big changes. It’s possible maybe that he dabbled in music at least.
Well at my city's med school there's the story of a guy who wanted to become a priest, but his dad refused completely and pretty much forced him to attend med school and finish his studies (aprox 7 years) and supposedly the guy went to his graduation, received the diploma, went to his father, gave it to him and left to become a priest
Usually these places can’t afford or the necessary placement available for those. Emergency exits are more so for fires or other disasters for the insurance for places.
@@captaincz5763 because security cameras aren't cheap and usually no one is using the emergency exit as it's almost entirely used just for fires and whatnot?
Exhausted med student = alcoholic blackout = disappearance. "He could swing through extremes." (Possible undiagnosed bi-polar disorder?) I know that when my own mother passed away, I completely flipped out. From the day I heard about it, on February 18, to the day of her funeral, March 24, I was in a compete grey-out. I remember nothing of those five weeks. By the time I sought help, in October of that year, I--a successful professional writer--couldn't put a simple coherent English sentence together. Nor could I understand a word anyone said to me. I was hospitalized for sixty days. My point is that anything could have happened to Poor Brian. (I also had an alcoholic blackout many years ago--I was 21--and ended up almost dying in a swamp.) Anything, sadly, is possible. Anything.
The fact that his girlfriend stayed literally days and nights physically looking for him, and the last footage was him flirting with another girl, just brokes my heart. As someone with depression, and often mad feelings about running away and vanishing from my problems and loved ones, the only anchor i have in reality is my fiancee. I hope he is alive, but i really doubt that's the case. Often the simple answer is the one, and in this case i believe he just fell drunk in a concrete pit. Either way, this case broke my heart.
Don't forget he was very drunk.That's why he was flirting with that other girl. You do stupid things when you're drunk. I know.When I young I got drunk too.We all do.🍺🍺🍺
If you really care about someone it wouldn’t matter if you were drunk. Alcohol doesn’t make you do stuff against your will, it makes you more comfortable in doing stuff you already want to do.
I'm just thinking, if his cellphone pinged from a cell tower in Hillard, shouldn't they have searched the river there? Even if the ping was a "glitch"?
Refusing a lie detector test and getting a lawyer are not suspicious behavior. Lie detectors are notoriously unreliable, and you should always get a lawyer when talking with the police no matter how innocent you are. Normalize doing these things.
I lived in Columbus when Brian went missing. Never really knew any of the details. The fact that he never left the building makes me remember something I saw one time. A man had went missing from his work. No one ever saw him leave the building. He disappeared without a trace. Many many years later, the building was old and I think it sold. The new owner was having the old walk in freezer removed when they found his body wedged behind the freezer between it and a wall. I forget why they decided no one could smell the body but there was a reason. I wonder if it is possible no one saw Brian leave the bar because he never did?
Pro tip from a criminal defense paralegal: it is not suspicious to get an attorney if you are innocent while being questioned by police for anything. Simply, do not talk to cops when you are being questioned without a lawyer present. It’s smart.
More people should know this. Also lie detectors are completely unreliable and you should not take one. Even if you are slightly nervous it can show that you're lying when you aren't.
@@nathanizabeast Indeed ... Even one of the co-inventors of the polygraph deeply regreted inventing the thing in the first place, as there is no real physiological connection to whether a person is telling the truth, or lying, but basically only serves to measure a person's mental state. For example, someone whom is suffers from a stress/anxiety issue, is likely to be even more stressed, leading to increased breathing, heart rate/plus, blood pressure, and sweating, and the body goes in the F⁴ (Flight, Fight, Freeze, Fawn) mode. Conversely, any person whom is able either consciously, or subconsciously, dampen any/all of those, which include those in the Cluster B of personality disorders, may easily 'defeat' the polygraph with any obvious countermeasures ... Thus, between false positives, and false negatives, it's reliability means there isn't a court almost anywhere, that will allow polygraphic evidence to be entered into submission, or placed on the record. Yet, it has become a routine staple of daytime talk-show television ... which has even worsen its reputation. In fact, one can use it as the very definition of 'junk science', since all it can do is measure a person's physiological state, as affected by how much adrenaline is being released ... And yes, lawyering up, even if you yourself is a lawyer, is a damn smart move, as, guilty, or not, you have the right to legal representation.
Clint refusing to take the lie detector test and lawyering up was actually a smart idea which may have covered him, those things are notoriously faulty and could’ve been used against him when they prove nothing.
It's likely during the heat of the moment, where everyone is full of energy and are unable to understand each other. Props to the guy for trying but if he did it at the start or end people would tend to listen.
i was going to say that the lie detector thing isnt suspicious because lie detectors don’t work well and especially dont work well on people with social anxiety or anxiety in general. could be he just didnt want to get falsely accused by something that doesnt work. but then again wouldn’t his lawyer have just said what i said instead of “he didn’t see the value in it.”
That's what I thought at first until I heard about him not wanting anything to do with finding Brian and never contacting anyone in his family again. That's what seems suspicious to me
@@PeterPansexual I think Clint might have thought he was the prime suspect, and him pulling out of the case was probably on the recommendation of his lawyer. He was one of the last people in their circle that saw the victim alive, and was probably aware that the others didn't like him. This might lead him to believe that he would be pinned for the disappearance of his friend.
Clint's response was perfectly reasonable. Even more so if he had indeed contributed everything he knew to the investigation by then. Polygraph tests are unreliable bullshit, so refusing to take it and immediately lawyering up is an obvious response to that. As for Clint not participating in the further investigation, that was probably his lawyer's advice. I've heard of such strategy quite often in posts about legal battles - avoid talking about the case, don't interact with the cops more than required from you, etc.
You should always get a solicitor in any official dealings with police or detectives, refuse to say anything until you have at least had a private phone conversation with them. Better still do not answer questions if possible, note down the main questions they ask and dont let them side track you or lead you around and then provide a simple written statement answering the questions with the shortest sentences as possible, single word answers are the best. So many innocent people have got themselves stitched up, best not to take any chances.
the mysterious message came from franklin county. The dead cell ping came from hillard. wouldnt brian wanna stay close to an area he knows? wouldnt he want to fake where he was posting from? they really should keep on this case. i think theyll find him if they keep trying. This case has captivated me for years!
There is a motive for Brian leaving the country... His mother dying, a fight with his gf, and when he asked his girlfriend to "just leave with him". Also, from what ive heard, he probably has bipolar disorder.. But what do you think?
His mother died only 3 weeks prior to his disappearance. That doesn’t seem like a long enough time to just give up and walk out on your life. Usually people struggle with these things for months or even years… 3 weeks is just too fresh for such a rash decision to be made. As for the fight with his girlfriend.. well, people fight with their significsnt others all the time.. no one runs off and starts a new life after a fight, not even after 10 fights. Who reslly knows what happened to him..
@@biller97 That is not something that people just "plan out" It is usually just a very irrational decision. It makes more sense that he wouldve left really close to his mother's passing
This. If the cops come at you with a request to take a notoriously unreliable polygraph test, it's time to lawyer up and stop talking to them, because they're trying to stab in the dark for a reason to come after you.
@@evilcam you are right. It annoys me that the video maker talks how suspicious it is but can't see it from the perspective of the people who were asked to take the test
17:18 really suspicious to someone with half a brain… the inventor of the polygraph test said himself it was not an accurate way to detect a lie only nervousness. I 100% wouldn’t be taking a polygraph because that can then implicate you in a crime you had nothing to do with. Too many people have gone to jail because of lazy police work I would have gotten myself a lawyer also
Jorge is such a good person to watch when learning about true crime stuff. His aim is to lay out the facts and show evidence and different things that could've happened. He doesn't use creepy music to unnerve you, he doesn't use weird wording to make you feel a bit sick. He's just trying to educate and inform, not unnerve and scare. This is what I love about Jorge, as someone who's very easily made paranoid and panicky it's nice for a topic I am interested in not to be a scary and unfun experience. Thank you Jorge for actually enjoyable content that I don't panic over!
I think people can vastly overlook how hard it would be to completely disappear without touching your phone, car, or bank account. Something eerie definitely happened to him, or at least I think. I hope this mystery has a conclusion one day.
There’s a channel called Brian Schaffer dead or alive that has new leads that I didn’t know about. Check out the interview with retired Detective Hurst. He mentions there was a point when an automatic camera was going to turn in a certain direction and then doesn’t. They were puzzled about that and talked to the employees but nothing came out . This suggests one of the cameras (perhaps one by a back entrance or door ) was tampered somehow. If so that changes everything and explains how Brian exited the bar OR was harmed in the bar without the camera showing what really happened.
One thing that I always find interesting, is how people think random crime happens so often. A lot of times a friend or family member will off someone and then go along with the random act theory. I seriously don’t think someone is going to want him dead just randomly at a bar.
@@sarahewson3607 People can't imagine that someone they know could hurt their loved ones. It just HAS to be a random stranger, some outsider. But as you stated, statistics tell another stories...
Brian isn’t in the bar or under the construction … the cadaver dogs would have noticed. Then all the people working around the area would have noticed the scent of decomposition. Too strong to ignore.
"He even visited a psychic" Surprised no one already said this but psychics are terrible people that exploit grieving people's desperation. That psychic should be ashamed of himself and reevaluate his life decisions.
Don’t buy hunt a killer. They automatically subscribe you to their monthly plan even when you opt out and then refuse to cancel your subscription or respond to your emails.
I have no idea if this is true as I have no experience with hunt a killer, but this should voted to the top, because if it is, I'm sure Jorge would like to look into it.
I don't blame Clint for not taking a lie detector test. Having everything go on can be anxiety inducing even if you aren't guilty and lie detector tests aren't that accurate at times. Especially if you are a nervous or anxious person anyway. He probably got the lawyer so he wouldn't be accused of stuff just for not taking a lie detector test, so honestly I don't think Clint did anything!
Yes. But Clint also had issues with other answers. Where he lied several times. There's also the fact that the other family do not like or trust Clint now.
@@hetbet3879 that plays even more in his favor. If he were to get negative on the lie detector test, Bryan's family would have hated even more and would certainly put him in jail or even worse
I wonder secretly if he was the only one who actually knew what Bryan was going to do (whether commit suicide or start a new life) and he isn’t coming clean out of pure respect/a final oath he made to his best friend knowing he needed help.
You should cover Madison Scott. She’s a Canadian women that went missing in 2011. I see posters and billboards with her face on them whenever we’re driving on the highway and I’m very curious to know what happened.
I think there haven’t been any developments in the case just scanning through some stuff. Nothing too interesting either. Kinda weird that someone with my name was mentioned.
I’m pretty certain it was an accident where he drunkenly fell down on the construction site, got stuck in some weird corner he couldn’t get out of or fell in to some garbage management area. He’s either still in the building, got disposed/killed without anyone noticing or got accidentally killed in the place he was stuck/laying in and someone freaked out and covered it up.
I'm angry at that "psychic". These people are con artists and charlatans, predating on people's desperation to find their missing loved ones. Shame on you.
@@sleepcrime Stupid as it is, the dad reason si reasonable. When you have no choice nothing you can do and someone/something give a hope even just a little even doesn't make sense seem like a godsend.
Psychics are kind of the last thing you can rely on, and yes, without technology it's the best it's gonna get. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES PSYCHICS HELPED IN CASES.
I have been to the Ugly Tuna several times, there is one way in and one way out. You go up the escalator and there is no other exit in that building, unless you jump. Still freaks me out.
@@lucianas4919 if he got out of the bar,there must have been an inside man involved.Someone that helped Brian disappear for whatever reasons Brian wanted to disappear.Someone that to this day knows Brian's whereabouts
Cheating is scummy, but legally if they aren't married anything goes, unless you promise otherwise. Regardless, it's not worth screwing up like that. Either way what happened to him is tragic. People still care about his life all the same.
@AKIRA ASMR eh, he was drunk and grieving, one peck on the neck isn't really enough to constitute cheating and its quite possible whoever said they saw that just had a bad angle and misinterpreted as a kiss instead of more flirting
@@MontySlython It's still cheating to flirt with someone else unless you're in a more open relationship or it's very clearly a joke. We know their relationship was maybe not good since he wanted her to move on, but we can't say that for certain. Though regardless, it sucks to just vanish like that yo
Poor girl to put all that effort into finding a man who spent some of his last moments on earth being unfaithful. It’s crazy how karma works sometimes.
And when you start to figure out whodunnit, you get confronted by a mysterious stranger who tells you, "You're getting to close to the truth." Then shoots you and adds, "If you survive, let that be warning to you. If you don't stop snooping around, I'll make sure you won't survive the next time we meet!" Then runs off into the night.
u joke but there actually is something of an "arm chair" investigator community that works with some official channels, not because investigators are lazy, but because they disgustingly backlogged and simply dont have the resources or time to catalogue everything.
“People that knew him said he was so distraught he was late for his mother’s funeral” Also him “people that knew him said he was handling it pretty well”
Alexander Liptak can confirm, I had a relative die a few weeks ago, I cried myself to sleep that night, when I found out. The next day, I was still sad about it, but not crying, after a week, I felt normal again. By the way, my relative didn’t die of COVID, the relative died of a hear complication.
Grief is an insidious thing. When someone first passes it's generally accepted you will be a wreck. Then people go back to their normal lives and expect you will too. So you try to look and act "normal". He was probably trying to find a place for all that and still function...
People deal with death in different ways. I usually choose to skip funerals because...I don't need it. It does nothing for me. If I go at all it's at the request of someone else needing support. I don't want the last image I have of someone to be their dolled up dead body. So hearing he was an hour late to me was kind of a nothing detail. You can't extract any relevant information from it.
I'm convinced he ran away. A point I think got glossed over was the fact that he got dinner with his dad, despite being exhausted. That, followed by a night of drinking? It sounds like he was making sure to see his loved ones before he left.
How come the camera's don't show him leaving the bar? But you could be right. He probably told his friend and when the lie detector test came in he shut his mouth and lawyered up
@@Burner355 I can't remember if the video mentioned exits or open-able windows w/o cameras or not. And I'd venture to guess his friend knew, but he promised not to tell anyone. Thats why he could answer questions all day until the lie detector came out. I wonder if covering for someone like that is illegal...
That can be a possibility. I also don't agree with the officer saying that people who commit suicide want to be found. A lot of suicidal people feel ashamed and cowardly for their feelings and don't want to be found dead by people they love
@@coolerjesus @lilcarcrash 21 as another guy said in the comments further up, polygraphs are renowned for being unfathomably unreliable for as huge number of reasons. working with the police, proving your innocence and having a clear name only to fail a polygraph because either you were nervous or the operator fucks up is a great way to make yourself a target. Yes, odd that he also (only using this video as evidence) only then chose to get a lawyer but alas, it was probably the wiser choice in the long run despite the way it presents him.
Wait, so.. He had a girlfriend and was flirting with a girl at the bar? And his poor girlfriend constantly called his phone worried sick about him?.. ouch..
@@legowhite2 because there is still no real form of consent? When your drunk, you don't really know what you are saying, so saying yes to sex can still be rape, because you don't know what is happening around you. Drunk cheating is still cheating because you are breaking the trust you had with your partner, by being with someone else, which is cheating. You may not be aware of it when your drunk, but you are responsible with knowing how much you can drink. Yeah, in either case you are responsible for how much you drink, but no one should ever have sex with you or anyone when they are drunk, because consent is still not there. Drunk cheating is still cheating, drunk sex can be considered rape.
Strange things like this happens all the time, one time a grocery store clerk went missing. Just vanished into thin air, years later they found his body stuffed behind a wall where he was probably sleeping on the job and fell in between the walls and died, They should check every little nook and cranny in that building.
I feel like this video casts a bit too much suspicion on Clint. Declining a lie detector test isn’t that uncommon, especially that long after the incident, and it certainly isn’t an admission of guilt..
Yes I agree not taking a test is reasonable, but he’s reason behind it makes no sense. He also cut ties with the whole family after the lie detector incident, which to me sounds like a guilty man walking. He’s also a friend too and he was there with him that night, but idk people act wish washy and this man is a washing machine at this point. (I don’t like someone who lawyers up after being so corporative in the beginning.)
Yup. I would be very skeptical of taking a lie detector as well because they aren't 100% accurate and could make me look like a liar when I'm being truthful.
Ronald Vasquez well he prob cut ties with them, because after he declined test, they prob got less than friendly with him. Likely very uncomfortable at best, and downright hostile at worst.
@@jerryonlychild7003 I mean if you have nothing to hide then a lie detector shouldn't scare you. So not answering to it and locking up definitely makes you seem suspicious
100% agree! Polygraph tests only show responses to questions. They do not detect truth or lie and are not admissible in court. They are only used to gage reaction and to see if they should pursue the individual further but are not a test of guilt. There is also no technical "pass" or " fail," as the results are on a range of reaction. Furthermore, getting a lawyer and exercising your right to council should never be seen as suspicious. It is for YOUR protection.
On the podcast released last week with the title ‘Brian Schaffer Interview ////// 770’ the former lead detective said that he asked Brian’s ex-girlfriend Shelly if Brian was gay/bisexual - she said that Brian had experimented with men. The detective then went on to say that another person said ‘yeah, that happened’. The host of the podcast then stated that ‘there was speculation that he was gay - would that be enough of a reason to run away and start a new life?’. The detective replied ‘yeah, yeah and that was discussed with the unit and a couple of our superiors who were over at the (FBI) at the time, and that was discussed and maybe he had run off at the time and maybe he had run off and started a new life and if you don’t use your name, social security number and date of birth, you could do that. It’s not impossible but it’s not the easiest thing to do either’. Later in the podcast, the host said that he heard Clint and Brian had more than a friendship relationship and said he questions what Clint was hiding. He said he wonders if at some point their friendship had become romantic - the detective’s response? ‘It could have been, yep. Ummm…we interviewed some roommates of Clint’s…and Clint and Brian roommated for a bit and then Brian moved out and them umm we interviewed the two roommates Clint had after that and their opinion, they made statements to us that they felt they (Brian and Clint) were a little too touchy-feely, more than what guys normally would do’. The host asks ‘do you think that’s why Clint doesn’t want to talk, he doesn’t want that out?’ The detective replied ‘it could be, you know that he doesn’t want that to get out. That was one of the things we did discuss in the unit, you know, one of the possibilities here. So yeah, that’s one of the questions that we’d like to find out.’
@@hzlink but when they mean thier serious, that doesn't matter, the band is there all night, the message to find Brian was essential and without it, could've affected the case.
Just in case you ever get asked to Jorge: *Never* take a polygraph/lie detector test if you have underlying mental health conditions, are anxious in any way, want accuracy and don't fancy being pinned for something you didn't do. They're notoriously faulty and aren't accurate, both for the innocent and the guilty.
The fact that he just vanished into thin air without any trace and whereabouts clearly suggests that something bad happened to him, without a doubt. Considering the fame of his case, it would be impossible for him to stay hidden for so long
If they were able to identify every single person leaving the bar that night except Brian, then he's still there. I think bones will be found on that site one day. Very sad.
No he isn't. Please stop with this theory. I work at the university-this building was recently gutted. He is NOT in there. Dogs traced his scent to a Wendy's that was behind the Tuna bar and abruptly lost his scent, like he got into a car. The theory that he's in that building has got. To. Stop. It's been looked at and looked at and LOOKED at and they even gutted the damn building. people love a creepy story like that but it's not true.
@Feddy dueber no, your positioned is literally a slave mentality. You are told that something is a lie detector. So you think someone wouldnt have a problem with taking the exam and "clearing their name". But if you look at the facts of the matter, they dont work and are not associated with detecting deception at all. The entire premise of a polygraph is that lying causes certain responses in the human body. That lying is the only thing that causes these things, and that these responses are totally autonomous and cant be controlled by the person. None of this turns out to be true. This means that the results are entirely interpretive, meaning any interpretation is equally valid or they are entirely fabricated. So why would something like that be a way to clear your name. Quit being a slave to those whow have a vested intereat in keeping you think they are better than you and are supposed to be in power over you. They arent. There is no deus ex machina. Dont be a fool.
@Feddy dueber what are you even talking about a lie detector is a polygraph. There may in future be some legally accepted other technology that can determine if someone is being deceptive. But polygraphs aint that. The reason someone wouldnt take one is that the people who administer polygraphs are doing so at the behest and are being paid by the people who have a vested interest in having the result conform to their suspicions. In other words the court and police are the people who employ polygraphers, and they have a vested interest in having polygraphs show what they want them to. Polygraphers who routinely adminiater tests that dont do that will find themselves not getting calls to administer polygraphs fairly soon. This is why they are almost entirely inadmissable as are the facts around whether or not you took one. They are used as a tool of manipulation and coercion. I honestly dont expect you to understand or agree with any of this because you seem to be mentally deficient and suffering from the dunning Kruger effect. In other words you are of subaverage intelligence and not psessed of much information about the workd around you,but because you have survived in what is becomming an ever increasingly unchallenging world both physically and mentally, you presume that the way you think and things you know ar good enough because they have gotten you this far. The thing is that you have survived this long because many other people went through the trouble of learning thing and thinking the big thoughts for you and you simply benefitted from that. If you didnt know that a lie detector and a polygraph are the vast majority of the time the same thing then you arent qualitified to have this conversation or even have an opinion on the matter. But here you are doing it on the internet. For the most part at this moment, polygraphs are the same thing as a lie detector. That nearly always what someone is talking about if they say lie detector. There are some emerging technologies and certainly some other things that people claim can detect deception but they are either not developed enough for mainstream use yet or they are just obviously as inneffective as polygraphs. Go spend half an hour on wikipedia and learn about polygraphs instead of just thinking that someone who challenges your world view must be some sort of bad person. You and people like you are the problem with the world.
@Feddy dueber sure they work. The show exactly what the person adminstering them decides they show. If thats honesty because they are paid by the defense then they will show honesty, and if the desired result is dishonesty because they are paid by the prosecution, then they will show dishonesty. Theres a reason that they are almost never admissable as evidence and that the use of them as prescreening tools for employment has been outlawed in pretty much every state and only allowed for specific types of employment and the only reason its still allowed there is because the people at the heads of those industries know a lot of connected and powerful people and spread enough money around that they can keep their little pseudoscientific traditions. Ive had a secret clearance man, i passed a rather lengthy and in depth background investigation Few expenses were spared, and there was no polygraph, if it was thought polygraph examination would have been revealing of anything meaningful i guarantee you that they would have used it. They dont cost that much. They take between an hour and two hours and cost about 200 to 400 if you are purchasing them individiually. The govt buys in quantity. They would retain a polygrapher or an agency, give them a set yearly check, guarantee that they wouldnt use them more than x number of times or that they would pay x ammount for each time after that. It would be super easy to do and pretty cheap. And typically the best way a polygraph can be used is against a person that actually believes it can detect deception because they will often simply confess to whatever it is. Its essientially intimidation and its a poor way to get confessions because of the high rate of false positives. The inventor of the polygraph also believed that you could hook it up to plants and detect their feelings and later in life admitted that he knew that it didnt work. They are pseudoscience.
@@the_real_hebrews1658 I just remember Alefantis posted a picture of a young girl with a close up of her eye and she had the same eye thing.....I forget the name of it. Anyways, the commentators were all fawning over it. I think you get it from extreme abuse while the mother is pregnant or something to that effect. Possibly more to the families history then is being reported.
Usually when you have a case like this of there being no record of someone leaving, It's usually that they never did leave and they got into somewhere. They couldn't get out of and died in the building.
I do not agree with your thoughts,you can get a lawyer,and still accept the loe detector,many eyewitnesses did have a lawyer but accepted the lie detector.
@@inasvids4747 There is literally no benefit to doing a lie detector test. If you pass one, you gain nothing, and if you fail you become a main suspect or event get convicted. Lie detectors literally do not work. *Everyone* who gets asked to take a lie detector by the police should lawyer up.
@@inasvids4747 They are inadmissible because they are deeply flawed; no court will allow them in as evidence So why would you? Just to appease the cops? No.
Yeah. Also, noone in the investigation provided pictures about said construction?? I think that having at least pictures of those back exits leading to the construction could clear some theories.
There’s a channel called Brian Schaffer dead or alive that has new leads that I didn’t know about. Check out the interview with retired Detective Hurst. He mentions there was a point when an automatic camera was going to turn in a certain direction and then the camera switches to manual mode. They were puzzled about that and talked to the employees but nothing came out . This suggests one of the cameras (perhaps one by a back entrance or door ) was tampered somehow. If so that changes everything and explains how Brian exited the bar OR was harmed in the bar without the camera showing what really happened.
So how is no one talking about the girls that interacted with Brian before he disappeared? There could've easily been something where they/Brighton told Brian to meet him somewhere leading to him getting jumped for everything on him. I don't get how those girls get completely overlooked, aren't they one of the last people to interact with Brian? Something about that just doesn't sit right.
The girls could have been stalked by a defensive boyfriend with bodyguards. So Brian, no connection to girls, no connection to unknown killers - did he get kidnapped? Why is his body totally gone? These girls are either professional body smugglers or he got kidnapped by a third party.
So complex . When you see a doctor , remember that they go thru so much, to get that diploma-- Especially at some schools . This guy needed some inpatient therapy . You can see the stress in the photos .
Clint refusing to take a lie detector test isn’t suspicious at all, polygraphing is notoriously hit or miss, and even the best operators can only achieve around 90% accuracy, with most only achieving 70-80% (Max). He’s still suspicious, just not because he refused a lie detector test and got a lawyer. I probably would, too. If you are wondering why they aren’t accurate, it’s because those machines measure your physiological changes as you answer questions and record spikes in heart rate among other things, and everyone has a different physiological response to lying.
That doesnt make sense. Taking it for the sake of taking it would be reasonable. Not taking it for a fear of whatever is suspicious. And he states clint stopped cooperating after that.
@@hansols1727 I said that he was still suspicious for that very reason, I simply stated that his refusal of taking a polygraph test could not be held against him because of its known flaws. The reason lie detectors are still in use despite being inaccurate is because it speeds up trials. Jurors tend to believe the results.
@@hansols1727 I would have also refused it if innocent of any crime. There have been thousands of cases in which the police ask friends/family members to take a lie detector test. The innocent person agrees, but fails somewhat. The police then develop tunnel vision for that one person. Said person is convicted and sentenced to life in prison only to be exonerated of any wrongdoing 20 years later because they found the *real* suspect. Polygraph tests are junk science, at best. Life destroyers at worst.
Plus it doesn't actually measure your response to lying. Some of the most well known serial killers came out as innocent during the lie detector test. Thing is, if you suffer from anxiety, you're fucked.
Yeah, after watching countless hours of police investigations on RUclips I wouldn’t so much as cough in front of a detective without my attorney present. & the fact that a polygraph is not admissible in court is reason enough to tell you that the technology is flawed.
This is amongst the frustrating mystery I've come across. It's not even clear whether or not he ever left the building. There's no motive, no suspect, no indication of whether it was foul play or voluntary disappearance.
Yeah but there is a motive for Brian leaving the country... His mother dying, a fight with his gf, and when he asked his girlfriend to "just leave with him". Also, from what ive heard, he probably has bipolar disorder.. But what do you think?
@@YeCurry0 Very hard to leave the country without leaving any records of travel. Bus or plane tickets. Not only having his name, but most likely to be paid with a credit card, and his bank accounts weren't touched. He didn't drive across the border, because his car was never moved.
@@Logan_Baron But you do have to admit there was somthing weird going on with him and leaving. What I think happened is he died somewhere, maybe killed himself in the country a few hours away from the city.
I live in Columbus and I remember a guy I worked with around the time this happened would get very weird and nervous whenever anyone would start talking about this case. Once when we were all talking about it at work he said matter of fact and in full confidence "They'll never find him", and when we asked why he said that he refused to elaborate or say anything else, like he knew something about it. That guy has since passed away of a drug overdose and it still bothers me to think about.
Please please report this info to the police or even fbi- you can do it anonymously if you’d prefer. Any little piece of information could change everything!
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Editor's Note: Since the building was under construction, and the photos of the Ugly Tuna Saloona online are from 2017, I'm not 100% sure where the entrance to the construction site was. I just know it was where Brian was seen heading.
Other than that, I will probably begin uploading regularly again. Took some time off to learn Cinema 4D (let me know what you think!) and I will start streaming again. If there happen to be any Cinema 4D experts reading this, shoot me an email. I'd love to learn more!
Love your videos man im watching your video rn! True crime fascinates me. Ive never heard of this man who disappeared but im interested in the video.
Next video suggestion: can you talk about randonauting? The places randonatica is sending ppl like the woods and to haunted abandoned places is creepy and the Seattle suitcase incident is the creepiest .. Hopefully noone from the dark web is running that app. Plz if anyone goes randonauting DONT GO AT NIGHT AND DONT GO BY YOURSELF BRING AT LEAST A GROUP OF PPL WITH YOU OR AT LEAST 3 PEOPLE MINIMUM!
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yay keep it up man
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“Brian Shaffer walks into a bar, and he’s never seen again”
It’s like the worst joke of all time
Damn, you beat me to it.
on april fools day too
A lions mane, a menovat and an Omabat walk into a bar...
Yeeeaaaa I didn't think this one all the way through.
I mean, he kind of looks like John mulaney
Omabat true makes the situation all a bit more eerie how he coincidentally disappeared on April fools
I feel so bad for Derek. First, he lost his mom to cancer then his brother goes missing and his father died in an accident.
Life hit him real hard in the balls
(Dont take this as some kind of sick joke i used a poor choice of words and i understand that someone has misinterpreted my message)
@@sharasarah3026 I don't think that's supposed to be funny.
CASTOR uh?
'Said it wasn't funny ,
CASTOR wasnt trying to be funny wtf do u mean?
Pearl Jam: “This man went missing. Please call if you have any information.”
The crowd: *cheering*
I thought the same thing lol
what do you expect them to do? like reply "ok" in unison?
@James Town Reddit moment
I put you at 1k
most of em were probably drunk. LOL half of em probably didn't even care of pay attention.
there’s actually a supermarket employee who went missing named Larry Elly Murillo Moncada who died in 2009 when he presumably fell into an 18 inch gap behind a cooler and a wall, and he was missing for 10 years until his corpse was found in 2019 when the cooler was moved, perhaps something similar happened with this case
This does make the most sense. Might have a brawl with clint and they might have pushed each other in that construction site
Ya how would no one smell the dead rotting corpse
@@The_Ladder_Perspective it was in a freezer in a supermarket
@ɢᴇɴᴇʀᴀʟ ᴇᴄᴄʜɪ freezer in grocery store
A kid went "missing" in the 90s, body was found in the chimy of a house across from his family home.
Body was found 30 years later when house was being pulled down.
Him and a friend meet a kid who said he had fun before leaving one weekend
eddy vedder: so there’s this man who went missing last april
crowd: YEAHHHHHH WOOOOO
Lmaoooo
Ikr
Did you catch the guy in the crowd shouting 'yeah, he's dead'?
Not that he knew or anything, but that's something cold to say when someone's asking for a missing person. Cold even by Pearl Jam concert estandards
That made me chuckle a bit 😅, I guess they were just happy that he cared enough to mention Brian
People cheer anytime eddy vedder says or sings anything, I mean listen to him perform Yellow Ledbetter, you can barely understand every third word and people go crazy when Pearl Jam performs it live.
Imagine being such a terrible person that you'll post an anonymous comment in a man's obituary book pretending to be his missing son.
Anonymity brings out the worst in humanity
Well, almost everyone passes through that phase. It's called puberty. I'm still there, I will never grow up. But I love animals, though.
The wonder of the internet
or maybe it was Brian
Trolls gonna troll
Felt bad for Eddie Vedder in that clip of him talking about Brian. Feels like barely anyone was probably listening to him, though hopefully at least his message got out to a couple people who cared.
Yeah he's trying to be sincere and theres people still cheering even though he's just talking
@ICrowbarYourFace towards the end of his speech it would be understandable but even when he began and was all serious they were still being loud
it seemed like the crowd was saying by cheering " wow look at what a nice and caring person Eddie is" instead of "We need to find Brian Shaffer."
@@Mar-pe9kx nah, those where drunken bastards just being loud thinking he was still singing
@ICrowbarYourFace i suppose youre right
I'm convinced you can say anything in stage at a concert and the audience with cheer. "Last April a guy named Brian Chauffer went missing."
The crowd: YEAAAAHHHHH
lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo FACTZ i thought the exact same even i was like YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Smash mouth did the hitler salute and everyone cheered lol
@@KortNatali ...Excuse me WHAT they did _WHAT_
@@KortNatali nice :)
My thoughts exactly. A moment of silence would have been far more appropriate. But I suppose the sort of people that go to concerts are too weak-willed for that.
I'm not being funny, I wouldn't take a lie detector test if I was asked. They're notoriously unreliable - especially since I have severe anxiety - and they can't be used in court anyway.
Yes, I agree, it's not valid, it just base on your anxiety
But why would he jst refuse to do it anyway, well he was his friend right? And when he didn't have anything to hide why would he refuse( obviously be afraid to be inquired).
What a dumbass excuse.
"A person went missing, not jst any, a friend, & you're afraid to answer saying you have anxiety issues!?"
CASTOR he might be falsely accused of something since he’s anxious. the detector might pick up his anxiousness as a lie.
@@rascaloons I can understand that but still doesn't feel good, he was a friend, obviously had been expected more from.
Yeah. I'm confident that if I'd ever be in the position where I'd be asked to do the test I'd decline. And I'd never talk to cops without a lawyer. Innocent people get jailed way too often to take that risk just to look 'good'.
Guy on stage: "So this guy named Brian Shaffer kind of went missing-"
Crowd: **Cheers Louder**
You forgot the hundreds of "uhh's."
“Guy on stage” lol, hard to imagine people exist that don’t know who that is
@@adamjensen2304 As sad as it is, No the entire world is not a Pearl Jam fan.
Right? Lol wtf
Felt like an Eric Andre show skit looool
Man it must really suck for his girlfriend for one, losing her boyfriend with hardly a trace, and two, learning he was actively flirting with another girl before he disappeared. That's bound to be a barrage of conflicting feelings
He did her a favor.
@@internziko ok?
seriously, i had a hard time drumming up sympathy for this cheating douche after i heard that. meanwhile his gf's out there searching for him for who knows how long after he vanishes...
@@seraphik right? as soon as i saw that part i was like ughhhh
He was drunk sure it's wrong but he couldn't neccesairly help it drinking bringings out the worst of what's in us.
i think it’s really beautiful what pearl jam did for Brian, even though it didn’t lead to anything, it showed that they cared about their fans and they took time out of their concert to promote finding him. glad there are still some good people in this world, it sure doesn’t always feel that way
There's good people. We are just outnumbered. As humans evolve this will change. Hunters will be gone murderers will not exist. Just think about this......one rule of living would change everything, NEVER HARM ANYTHING or ANYONE. Period. Just imagine........
Was thinking the same. They are stand up dudes for sure.
I just feel so sad for Derek. He lost every member of his family by a diferent kind of tragedy. Just hope he's doing better now
His brother died?
@@carm383 who knows? He's gone.
Thankfully he had a wife who seems to love him very much. If I had lost all of my family like that I don't know what I'd do.
@Jordan France Brian yes, Derek not so much
I know Randy gets hit by a random branch falling from a tree… as happens all the time.
It’s terrifying how someone can just disappear off the face of the earth with absolutely no explanation.
Thing is that this also happened during the time before our phones recorded all of our positional data, now everyone has a camera, and a tracking device on our phones, it is damn near impossible to become lost like this if you have your phone on you, the only way is really if you don't have your phone on you when you go missing.
@@ilo3456 That's why it's so terrifying when you hear about someone going missing like this in today's world.
@@flochforster6892 True the best way to dissappear is to not have your phone.
Someone knows where he is or where he went.
@@ilo3456 imagine the feeling of the families of the folks in flight MH 370 that still hasnt been found
Pearl Jam: A man has disappeared
The audience: 🤟👁️👄👁️🤟
🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏
it was a bad moment to mention it. theres no way anyone understood what he said. but nice of them to do it anyway.
🎉🥳
duh it's because Brian is Tonio and he went missing to develop his stand
@@theguystealingyourinternet3712 Lmao
The locals think Brian fell into the huge trash compacter they have there and got crushed, that's why they never saw him leave
why isnt this comment getting more recognition?
Where is the trash compactor?? Inside the bar??
blood?
He disappeared on April 1st, either this is just an unsolvable mystery or the most elaborate prank ever.
Josiah Lee fr homie just pulled a big prank
Did you see him? Or is it just 'an elaborate hoax?'
Rumor has it that he roams around that building, ordering drinks and food in secret til this day.
Anyone else catch the hole PRICE TAG OFFER? solve a case alone or with a group? Pretty sure their made up cases......IDK
It’s insane
The fact that Eddie Vetter made an announcement at his concert to find him was really sweet.
*Eddie Vedder :)
Yeah, it was sweet. Did really in a sweet great way!
That's Eddie a truly compassionate individual.
Yes too bad everyone treated it like a guitar solo
Vedder is a sweet dude
eddie is a truly noble soul.
A few years ago while a good friend of mine was the foreman on a commercial construction site, one of his workers discovered a dead body wedged between two walls. That very area was scheduled to be sealed off the day after the body was found. It turned out the person who died had fallen from somewhere above and there wasn't any foul play. Incredibly shocking that if my friend's worker hadn't looked where he did, that body likely would have never been found. I wonder if something similar happened to Brian.
this
Clicked on this comment to write "this", already beat to the punch. But seriously, I strongly feel something like this was the case.
It's possible but idk, the dogs throw a wrench into that whole idea
@@blockyoxwinkle5829 even if the dogs picked something up the police wouldn't say anything. I feel like there is some corruption involved.
@@blockyoxwinkle5829 Dogs can't smell through concrete, thought, but x-ray imaging could find his body, or what's left of it.
So lemme get this right...We simply pass off a cellphone ping as bs but search a whole freaking river because a PSYCHIC said to? I have serious questions about these peoples decision making.
Yeah but he's probably in that river. If you have read the book missing 411 a sobering coincidence you might think so too. A pretty high number of college or college age men have been found in bodies of water under mysterious circumstances after being out drinking. It's a crazy phenomenon, there one min and gone the next. Usually very intelligent men also...
Psychic did it. Case closed.
@@bellab9286 kinda similar to the smiley face murders
There was a case, I forgot what it was about, but a dude had his car in a lake and no one could find him and it turns out he and his car was in a lake. They found out on Google maps. I’m not saying to use Google maps per say, but I think recheck water areas just to be safe. You never know.
@K He's kinda referring to those with his comment. Though not by name since there is little evidence to support the existence of a smiley face killer so he didn't mention it. The phenomenon itself about the dissappearances is real and exactly what he is referring to.
If he never left the building, he's still in that building. Somewhere in that building. They found a guy in a grocery store after 10 years between the freezer and the wall. He's in that building!!!!
Maan I was thinking about the same story when this video got into the construction zone part! I was thinking hes definitely in those walls or something terrible.
@djs alt No doubt lol
They should really do extensive searches into the infrastructure of the building
isn't it warm behind a freezer? how did they not smell him earlier?
@@Tekape the heat basicly mumified him (idk how to write that word)
pearl jam: one of our fans went missing
the audience: *cheering intensifies*
its honestly dissapointing in some way, like they´re cheering when someone is missing and nobody have any idea of where he might be. not like i dont understand the moment, because the fact that the member of pearl jam mention him is very good so it will be a nice thing for a lot of people there, but the fact that they couldnt even keep a minute in silence is kinda bad tho
I couldnt stop laughing at that lmfao
@@Practicalinvestments yeah, its like it brings different emotions
Eddie Vedder would be so trashed at his shows I'm sure nobody even knew what he said
If I hadn't seen the comments beforehand I'd have thought the cheers were encouragement about finding him and "he's one of us"
imagine someday he just comes out of that bar and goes home completely unaffected and un-aged like nothing happened
That'd suck for him, considering his dad passed away and his girlfriend has a husband and kid(s) now.
@@megabyte1302 It would
"What year is it?"
Sounds like that'd be a Twilight Zone Episode
@@thomasedison3700 It's basically the plot to Cast Away but without the Gilligan's Island part
There is something so deeply grievous about someone who just goes missing with seemingly no rhyme or reason.
He probably died somewhere where the body is difficult to find.
Imagine going missing at a place called the ugly tuna saloona
Imagine going missing in Ohio
@@CantaloupeJones 💀
@@CantaloupeJones everyone in ohio should just be counted as missing
Cringe
I can see op living in Ohio and eventually go missing
Don't ask me why
Eddie Vedder: Seriously you guys if you have any tips please contact crime stoppers...
Everyone: 🤪🤪🤪🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🥳🥳🥳🤩🤩🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎊 YEAHH
Lmaoo
Lmfao
😂
The Eddie call out on stage had me close to tears! Too bad it didn't lead anywhere...
@@chucklebutt4470 Really, tears?! Grow tf up.
My theory is that he's there...well his body. There was a case of a 20 year old man that left his house and was never seen again.
Until 10 years later, construction workers found his body behind huge freezers where he previously worked at. Maybe Brian got stuck somewhere in the building and hasn't been found.
Debs P I had seen that on RUclips. Creepy stuff.
That’s what I think happened. They were renovating parts of the building the bat happened to be in and there was a construction area that was accessible just outside the bar in the same building. I think perhaps being drunk may have contributed too if he indeed did get stuck somewhere. There’s still the fact that one of his friend’s is shady about it and that raises some red flags, and I still wonder how nobody inside the bar or anyone he was with notice him going missing or walking into the construction area.
I think he fell in that construction site and they covered him in concrete not knowing he was there.
I believe that could be a possibility as well.
I remember that story from the RUclips channel infographics. Very odd story that proves the most bizarre can be the simplest answer.
15:13 you can outwardly seem like you are handling grief well, but cancer is a terrible thing to go through and there is a very small amount of people who actually handle there mother dying “well”
Everyone here talking about Brians case and Pearl Jam, while I'm sitting here wondering what kind of name *ugly tuna saloona* is?
Tacky tourist trap
Yeah, exactly. There's something weird with it, and I think they're involved in some way.
An awesome name
Hmm kinda tacky....
a great one, thats what it is.
That Pearl Jam thing was so awkward
“There’s a young man that’s gone missing...”
“WOOOOOOO YEAHHHHHHH”
I just hope the cheers were just cheers of support and solidarity. Either way, bad concert etiquette. If any musician stops their set with the words "dead serious here" you should take it upon yourself to stfu.
Eddie Vedder is satanic. Look into it.
@@conceptualmessiah01 ...and?
I bet that's Brian cheering himself. Lol
They didn't understand and was still in the moment
I feel so bad for Derek Shaffer. He lost his mom to cancer, his brother went missing under super mysterious circumstances, and his father died in a freak accident. :( Much love & prayers to Derek & his wife and kids.
Well said 👍
He could be a killer.
Had a guy last year killed the entire family bar 1 brother who was in another state, so he could get up the cash to hand over to a cam girl
Something ain’t adding up either someone was jealous of those girls or he vanished under the radar 🤔
Feel bad for him? eh... well he did cheated on his gf before he went missing at least he did his poor girlfriend a favor, imagine the girlfriend worried and later police and people in the bar found evidence that Brian cheated by kissing another woman's neck (being drunk is no excuse). I can't imagine how mix emotions she must felt by I'm glad she moved on and found a true man that loves her
@@AntiStraightMaleSociety DIdn't Brian told his ex to move on a week prior to disappearing?
"Ugly Tuna Saloona" is an AMAZING name.
Finally someone noticed it
Oh yeah this whole 5 years at medical school to become doctor stuff is just my side hustle. My real goal is to start a band..
Follow your dreams,follow your heart and shred that geetar!!
I mean, that’s how I felt about drawing and going to tech school.
Finished 3 years with 3 certifications. I never did anything with my associates degree. Just wound up at a warehouse and doing UberEats. I still draw, but not nearly as much as one should if they intend to persue a career in it.
If he’s anything like me [I doubt it], he was probably very fickle. Doctors usually aren’t fickle, but he seems privy to big changes. It’s possible maybe that he dabbled in music at least.
Well thats the offsprings backstory
Well at my city's med school there's the story of a guy who wanted to become a priest, but his dad refused completely and pretty much forced him to attend med school and finish his studies (aprox 7 years) and supposedly the guy went to his graduation, received the diploma, went to his father, gave it to him and left to become a priest
You can start a band and still study med.
WHY would you have an EMERGENCY exit with no cameras?! To me THAT is where you would want to have cameras the most.
why?
Usually these places can’t afford or the necessary placement available for those. Emergency exits are more so for fires or other disasters for the insurance for places.
@@amarreezlan7131 Why wouldn't you? If I was running a store, I'd like to install cameras in every edge necessary
Because cases like this are extremely rare and don't make financial sense for most locations.
@@captaincz5763 because security cameras aren't cheap and usually no one is using the emergency exit as it's almost entirely used just for fires and whatnot?
This is the most elaborate "a man walks into a bar" joke ever
Yan DJ lol this made my dad
@E. Yan DJ made his dad.
You made my dad too
he probably forgot how the joke continues thus vanishing into thin air
Gold.
Exhausted med student = alcoholic blackout = disappearance. "He could swing through extremes." (Possible undiagnosed bi-polar disorder?) I know that when my own mother passed away, I completely flipped out. From the day I heard about it, on February 18, to the day of her funeral, March 24, I was in a compete grey-out. I remember nothing of those five weeks. By the time I sought help, in October of that year, I--a successful professional writer--couldn't put a simple coherent English sentence together. Nor could I understand a word anyone said to me. I was hospitalized for sixty days. My point is that anything could have happened to Poor Brian. (I also had an alcoholic blackout many years ago--I was 21--and ended up almost dying in a swamp.) Anything, sadly, is possible. Anything.
He definitely has undiagnosed bi-polar
I feel so sorry for you man. I hope you are doing ok honestly.
A grey out is not a thing. lol
where can I read your stuff?
@@YeCurry0how do you know that?
The fact that his girlfriend stayed literally days and nights physically looking for him, and the last footage was him flirting with another girl, just brokes my heart. As someone with depression, and often mad feelings about running away and vanishing from my problems and loved ones, the only anchor i have in reality is my fiancee. I hope he is alive, but i really doubt that's the case. Often the simple answer is the one, and in this case i believe he just fell drunk in a concrete pit. Either way, this case broke my heart.
Don't forget he was very drunk.That's why he was flirting with that other girl. You do stupid things when you're drunk. I know.When I young I got drunk too.We all do.🍺🍺🍺
@@beverlybarnes3122 already got drunk and my respect for my fiancee never vanished.
If you really care about someone it wouldn’t matter if you were drunk. Alcohol doesn’t make you do stuff against your will, it makes you more comfortable in doing stuff you already want to do.
Same bro
Not only that, but her number was in his phone.
I'm just thinking, if his cellphone pinged from a cell tower in Hillard, shouldn't they have searched the river there? Even if the ping was a "glitch"?
I was thinking that too.
@Rando yep
Nah too much work
16:41 There is no evidence that Brian's body was in water.
The ping from another tower in Hilliard would not be a system glitch. The phone had to be around the area
Refusing a lie detector test and getting a lawyer are not suspicious behavior. Lie detectors are notoriously unreliable, and you should always get a lawyer when talking with the police no matter how innocent you are. Normalize doing these things.
I lived in Columbus when Brian went missing. Never really knew any of the details. The fact that he never left the building makes me remember something I saw one time. A man had went missing from his work. No one ever saw him leave the building. He disappeared without a trace. Many many years later, the building was old and I think it sold. The new owner was having the old walk in freezer removed when they found his body wedged behind the freezer between it and a wall. I forget why they decided no one could smell the body but there was a reason. I wonder if it is possible no one saw Brian leave the bar because he never did?
Did they identify who it was?
@@coronin8587 it's the infographics show on yt
Title is
employee missing for 10 years found in supermarket
That's a good point. He either ran away or had a freak accident in the building.
I often thought that as a possibility
Yes, I thought of exactly the same case. He could have well died accidently and his body still be in the building
Mom killed by cancer.
Brother taken by who knows what.
Father dies of freak tree accident.
Other brother left dying of guilt.
This is fkd up.
ikr rlly rlly unlucky
Nothing bad ever happens to the Shaffers
Pretty good ice breaker for water cooler conversation at your job
Curse
Mother nature didn't like them
Pro tip from a criminal defense paralegal: it is not suspicious to get an attorney if you are innocent while being questioned by police for anything. Simply, do not talk to cops when you are being questioned without a lawyer present. It’s smart.
More people should know this. Also lie detectors are completely unreliable and you should not take one. Even if you are slightly nervous it can show that you're lying when you aren't.
@@troywallace7011 which you likely will be nervous, because who wouldn't be when hooked up to a machine being questioned?
@@nathanizabeast I SWEAR TO GOD STEVE WILKOS IM NOT LYING!!!!
@@nathanizabeast
Indeed ...
Even one of the co-inventors of the polygraph deeply regreted inventing the thing in the first place, as there is no real physiological connection to whether a person is telling the truth, or lying, but basically only serves to measure a person's mental state.
For example, someone whom is suffers from a stress/anxiety issue, is likely to be even more stressed, leading to increased breathing, heart rate/plus, blood pressure, and sweating, and the body goes in the F⁴ (Flight, Fight, Freeze, Fawn) mode.
Conversely, any person whom is able either consciously, or subconsciously, dampen any/all of those, which include those in the Cluster B of personality disorders, may easily 'defeat' the polygraph with any obvious countermeasures ...
Thus, between false positives, and false negatives, it's reliability means there isn't a court almost anywhere, that will allow polygraphic evidence to be entered into submission, or placed on the record.
Yet, it has become a routine staple of daytime talk-show television ... which has even worsen its reputation. In fact, one can use it as the very definition of 'junk science', since all it can do is measure a person's physiological state, as affected by how much adrenaline is being released ...
And yes, lawyering up, even if you yourself is a lawyer, is a damn smart move, as, guilty, or not, you have the right to legal representation.
You are not a criminal defense paralegal
You know it’s good when it’s starts with a warning
Clint refusing to take the lie detector test and lawyering up was actually a smart idea which may have covered him, those things are notoriously faulty and could’ve been used against him when they prove nothing.
Finally someone that knows what they are talking about.
You can’t go purely on the lie detector that’s not solid evidence so he would have been fine if he truely had nothing to do with it
This, ALWAYS lawyer whether you're as guilty as sin or as innocent as Jesus, you always lawyer up.
@@michaelmantinaos8330 you’d be surprised by the amount of corrupt cases that use it as a way to put the blame on someone
@@jamiezingsworld5887 yeah I believe it the amount of dodgy convictions I’ve seen and read about
"The Ugly Tuna Saloona" is an outstanding name for an establishment
*outstanding* indeed
It really is. A+ name
Yes
makes me think of spongebob idk
Im from Columbus. I've been there before. It was a horrible place with rude employees 😒
Lead singer: *talking about finding a missing person he saw at a concert*
Crowd: *_LOUD CHEERING_*
Idiot's
America
It's likely during the heat of the moment, where everyone is full of energy and are unable to understand each other. Props to the guy for trying but if he did it at the start or end people would tend to listen.
@@myahollandia3552 Check your grammar before you call someone else that word.
I think that was just the heat of the moment. Also, it's a good thing for the band to raise awareness. Perhaps that was intended as a thank you.
I can’t believe he still has never been found. Absolutely horrifying.
Pearl Jam singer: a man is missing
audience: YEAAHHHHH
lmao that’s concerts for you. it’s annoying
"pearl jam singer" ok
Sounds like quite a few people purchased cocaine.
It's not exactly a good venue for such a thing.
kim bobe I don’t even like them but what you just said right now makes me feel kind of sad...
Since he doesn’t have a schedule, I get surprised every time I get notified. I’ve been watching since 2016.
Me too dude
Same
exidude28 yeah
@Boiled Egg nice
@Boiled Egg lol cool
i was going to say that the lie detector thing isnt suspicious because lie detectors don’t work well and especially dont work well on people with social anxiety or anxiety in general. could be he just didnt want to get falsely accused by something that doesnt work. but then again wouldn’t his lawyer have just said what i said instead of “he didn’t see the value in it.”
That's what I thought at first until I heard about him not wanting anything to do with finding Brian and never contacting anyone in his family again. That's what seems suspicious to me
@@PeterPansexual I think Clint might have thought he was the prime suspect, and him pulling out of the case was probably on the recommendation of his lawyer.
He was one of the last people in their circle that saw the victim alive, and was probably aware that the others didn't like him. This might lead him to believe that he would be pinned for the disappearance of his friend.
Oh hey, lie detector don't work on me? I finally found my speciality!
Clint's response was perfectly reasonable. Even more so if he had indeed contributed everything he knew to the investigation by then.
Polygraph tests are unreliable bullshit, so refusing to take it and immediately lawyering up is an obvious response to that.
As for Clint not participating in the further investigation, that was probably his lawyer's advice. I've heard of such strategy quite often in posts about legal battles - avoid talking about the case, don't interact with the cops more than required from you, etc.
You should always get a solicitor in any official dealings with police or detectives, refuse to say anything until you have at least had a private phone conversation with them. Better still do not answer questions if possible, note down the main questions they ask and dont let them side track you or lead you around and then provide a simple written statement answering the questions with the shortest sentences as possible, single word answers are the best.
So many innocent people have got themselves stitched up, best not to take any chances.
the mysterious message came from franklin county. The dead cell ping came from hillard. wouldnt brian wanna stay close to an area he knows? wouldnt he want to fake where he was posting from? they really should keep on this case. i think theyll find him if they keep trying. This case has captivated me for years!
There is a motive for Brian leaving the country... His mother dying, a fight with his gf, and when he asked his girlfriend to "just leave with him". Also, from what ive heard, he probably has bipolar disorder.. But what do you think?
His mother died only 3 weeks prior to his disappearance. That doesn’t seem like a long enough time to just give up and walk out on your life. Usually people struggle with these things for months or even years… 3 weeks is just too fresh for such a rash decision to be made.
As for the fight with his girlfriend.. well, people fight with their significsnt others all the time.. no one runs off and starts a new life after a fight, not even after 10 fights. Who reslly knows what happened to him..
@@biller97 That is not something that people just "plan out" It is usually just a very irrational decision. It makes more sense that he wouldve left really close to his mother's passing
Did anyone else think that they were about to watch a guy literally vanish into thin air?
Me, kinda disappointed but oh well
I was waiting for him to get off the escalator and disappeared, but okay
YUP
Yeah what a rip off. Clicking off don't even care.
when i pointing my pointer to the vid and see the short teaser (idk the terms) it looks like what you said, but in the end, it doesn't even matter
Getting a lawyer is not suspicious, its smart. Anyone who studies law, knows that, even if innocent, always get a lawyer
This. If the cops come at you with a request to take a notoriously unreliable polygraph test, it's time to lawyer up and stop talking to them, because they're trying to stab in the dark for a reason to come after you.
@@evilcam you are right. It annoys me that the video maker talks how suspicious it is but can't see it from the perspective of the people who were asked to take the test
*especially* when innocent.
What if I’m broke
@@SmokeyHavoc excape to mexico
"he kinda went missing" imagine if police used the word kinda too "he's kinda dead" "he's kinda a criminal" "you're kinda arrested"
You’re not fully arrested,just kind of arrested
"you kinda broke the law"
you probably have the right to remain sorta silent.
I kinda commited 7 war crimes in 3 countries
I kinda got charges for kinda selling black tar heroin
17:18 really suspicious to someone with half a brain… the inventor of the polygraph test said himself it was not an accurate way to detect a lie only nervousness. I 100% wouldn’t be taking a polygraph because that can then implicate you in a crime you had nothing to do with. Too many people have gone to jail because of lazy police work I would have gotten myself a lawyer also
Jorge is such a good person to watch when learning about true crime stuff. His aim is to lay out the facts and show evidence and different things that could've happened. He doesn't use creepy music to unnerve you, he doesn't use weird wording to make you feel a bit sick. He's just trying to educate and inform, not unnerve and scare. This is what I love about Jorge, as someone who's very easily made paranoid and panicky it's nice for a topic I am interested in not to be a scary and unfun experience. Thank you Jorge for actually enjoyable content that I don't panic over!
It definitely helps that Jorge's voice is like butter drippin' off a hot biscuit.
As i am listening to creepy music ok
"he doesn't use creepy music"
Well, his Lost Media series is presented pretty creepily, at least in the transition parts.
Yep, unlike some other RUclipsrs *cough* Nexpo *cough* that dramatize everything.
@@Dandybunnykbm_blurblur eleanor neale is also super super respectful when she reports on true crime cases ! she reminds me alot of kendall rae
I think people can vastly overlook how hard it would be to completely disappear without touching your phone, car, or bank account. Something eerie definitely happened to him, or at least I think. I hope this mystery has a conclusion one day.
There’s a channel called Brian Schaffer dead or alive that has new leads that I didn’t know about. Check out the interview with retired Detective Hurst. He mentions there was a point when an automatic camera was going to turn in a certain direction and then doesn’t. They were puzzled about that and talked to the employees but nothing came out . This suggests one of the cameras (perhaps one by a back entrance or door ) was tampered somehow. If so that changes everything and explains how Brian exited the bar OR was harmed in the bar without the camera showing what really happened.
But how could he get away to start a new life while being drunk?! I'm proud I always find somehow home...
One thing that I always find interesting, is how people think random crime happens so often. A lot of times a friend or family member will off someone and then go along with the random act theory. I seriously don’t think someone is going to want him dead just randomly at a bar.
@@sarahewson3607 People can't imagine that someone they know could hurt their loved ones. It just HAS to be a random stranger, some outsider. But as you stated, statistics tell another stories...
@@ingridrodriguez3273 I saw that! This made me believe that someone who worked there had something to do with it. Possibly a bouncer or employee
eddie: brian shaffer is MISSING
crowd: WHOOOOO! YEAAAHHHH! PEARRRL JAM!
The intention was praiseworthy, but the heated up crowd couldn't possibly be receptive about it.
Your pfp- oh my God that cursed cartoon-
@@dx.feelgood5825 you know of it too?
@@mickytherat8020 my pfp is literally John Lennon of course I know of it, being in this cursed fandom
Brian isn’t in the bar or under the construction … the cadaver dogs would have noticed. Then all the people working around the area would have noticed the scent of decomposition. Too strong to ignore.
Eddie Vedder: Hey let's be serious a moment. This guy is missing let's all try and keep an eye out.
Crowd: *ecstatic cheering*
Hellyeah! Woo!
Exactly
Probably more like ecstasy cheering.
Wooo
"He even visited a psychic"
Surprised no one already said this but psychics are terrible people that exploit grieving people's desperation. That psychic should be ashamed of himself and reevaluate his life decisions.
He's morally incorrect but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta to make money. As long as it's not illegal or physically harming anyone.
@@yumiko523 Hitmen make good money I hear.
@@mikeydcjr yes, what's the joke here?
@@yumiko523 Joke?
@@mikeydcjr what's your point?
Don’t buy hunt a killer. They automatically subscribe you to their monthly plan even when you opt out and then refuse to cancel your subscription or respond to your emails.
Maybe you have to solve one last mystery in the form of the cancellation lmao
@@SnowBaller985 DOG 😂😂
Omg really?? Did this happen to you??
I have no idea if this is true as I have no experience with hunt a killer, but this should voted to the top, because if it is, I'm sure Jorge would like to look into it.
if this is happening to anyone call your bank they will block hunt a killer from charging your card
I feel really bad for Derek. He lost everyone in his immediate family
I'm in that same boat... It's a nightmare
I don't blame Clint for not taking a lie detector test. Having everything go on can be anxiety inducing even if you aren't guilty and lie detector tests aren't that accurate at times. Especially if you are a nervous or anxious person anyway. He probably got the lawyer so he wouldn't be accused of stuff just for not taking a lie detector test, so honestly I don't think Clint did anything!
Yes. But Clint also had issues with other answers. Where he lied several times. There's also the fact that the other family do not like or trust Clint now.
@@hetbet3879 that plays even more in his favor. If he were to get negative on the lie detector test, Bryan's family would have hated even more and would certainly put him in jail or even worse
I am definitely a shy and a anxious person.
I wonder secretly if he was the only one who actually knew what Bryan was going to do (whether commit suicide or start a new life) and he isn’t coming clean out of pure respect/a final oath he made to his best friend knowing he needed help.
*DING* I agree with you.
Guy with mic: "Dead serious issue, guys. A man's gone missing. Please help find him."
Audience: "Woooooo!! **clapp clapp** Yaaay!"
😅😅
I think they were saying "WOOOO" as yay, he is helping him!
"guy with mic" lol ok
@@TimeTravelingFetus What? I forgot what he said his name was.
This is why I doubt I'll go to a concert, it's like the brainlet society no matter the band.
You should cover Madison Scott. She’s a Canadian women that went missing in 2011. I see posters and billboards with her face on them whenever we’re driving on the highway and I’m very curious to know what happened.
I think there haven’t been any developments in the case just scanning through some stuff. Nothing too interesting either. Kinda weird that someone with my name was mentioned.
ruclips.net/video/jeHErrXhvW0/видео.html
I never heard of this so I googled it real quick.
If anyone does the same, turn safe search on.
KingofHearts may i ask why? this comment made me too anxious to search myself.
@@asadayo idk what their talking about cuz when I google her, just pictures of her face show up.
I’m pretty certain it was an accident where he drunkenly fell down on the construction site, got stuck in some weird corner he couldn’t get out of or fell in to some garbage management area. He’s either still in the building, got disposed/killed without anyone noticing or got accidentally killed in the place he was stuck/laying in and someone freaked out and covered it up.
I'm angry at that "psychic". These people are con artists and charlatans, predating on people's desperation to find their missing loved ones. Shame on you.
I'm angry at the dad for going to one.
@@sleepcrime Stupid as it is, the dad reason si reasonable. When you have no choice nothing you can do and someone/something give a hope even just a little even doesn't make sense seem like a godsend.
i agree.. it should be illegal for them to work on criminal cases............................
Psychics are kind of the last thing you can rely on, and yes, without technology it's the best it's gonna get. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES PSYCHICS HELPED IN CASES.
ONI SEVENDEIMOS no just no
I have been to the Ugly Tuna several times, there is one way in and one way out. You go up the escalator and there is no other exit in that building, unless you jump. Still freaks me out.
I'm surprised it hasn't been remodelled because having only 1 exit breaks fire code.
Cossette, I have read that there were a few other ways he could have gotten put of the bar, aside from the main exit/entrance.
@@connoc5078 It was actually remodeled into an office building and the bar moved a few blocks north
@@lucianas4919 if he got out of the bar,there must have been an inside man involved.Someone that helped Brian disappear for whatever reasons Brian wanted to disappear.Someone that to this day knows Brian's whereabouts
@@arcticwind1368 That is definitely a possibility. Whether he left on his own accord, or something nefarious happened to him, someone knows something.
Aww his girlfriend waited by his car for 2 days hoping he'd come back :( that's so sad.
Not as sad as the dog that sat at the train station waiting for his owner who died
Yet still he was cheating
Cheating is scummy, but legally if they aren't married anything goes, unless you promise otherwise. Regardless, it's not worth screwing up like that. Either way what happened to him is tragic. People still care about his life all the same.
@AKIRA ASMR eh, he was drunk and grieving, one peck on the neck isn't really enough to constitute cheating and its quite possible whoever said they saw that just had a bad angle and misinterpreted as a kiss instead of more flirting
@@MontySlython It's still cheating to flirt with someone else unless you're in a more open relationship or it's very clearly a joke. We know their relationship was maybe not good since he wanted her to move on, but we can't say that for certain. Though regardless, it sucks to just vanish like that yo
Poor girl to put all that effort into finding a man who spent some of his last moments on earth being unfaithful. It’s crazy how karma works sometimes.
I mean he was very drunk
@@sensarmy Even at my drunkest I’ve never betrayed my spouse. Some of us just get happy.
She’s dating up
Plot Twist: Hunt A Killer is actually real cases but detectives get you to do it because they're lazy
And when you start to figure out whodunnit, you get confronted by a mysterious stranger who tells you, "You're getting to close to the truth." Then shoots you and adds, "If you survive, let that be warning to you. If you don't stop snooping around, I'll make sure you won't survive the next time we meet!" Then runs off into the night.
Psychof1st Sure man
u joke but there actually is something of an "arm chair" investigator community that works with some official channels, not because investigators are lazy, but because they disgustingly backlogged and simply dont have the resources or time to catalogue everything.
i actually thought that
Oh it's Hunt A Killer ? I thought it's Hunter Killer lmfao
“People that knew him said he was so distraught he was late for his mother’s funeral”
Also him “people that knew him said he was handling it pretty well”
Alexander Liptak can confirm, I had a relative die a few weeks ago, I cried myself to sleep that night, when I found out. The next day, I was still sad about it, but not crying, after a week, I felt normal again. By the way, my relative didn’t die of COVID, the relative died of a hear complication.
Grief is an insidious thing. When someone first passes it's generally accepted you will be a wreck. Then people go back to their normal lives and expect you will too. So you try to look and act "normal". He was probably trying to find a place for all that and still function...
People deal with death in different ways. I usually choose to skip funerals because...I don't need it. It does nothing for me. If I go at all it's at the request of someone else needing support. I don't want the last image I have of someone to be their dolled up dead body. So hearing he was an hour late to me was kind of a nothing detail. You can't extract any relevant information from it.
Alians
Jossane Cassar I am sorry for your loss.
I feel like rule number one when going out with friends is *never leave without your friends*
This is useless to the mystery gang whenever they we're investigating something
@@leetsUpr3m3 😂😂
@@leetsUpr3m3 ĺĺ
Unless your my dad he leaves everything before everyone friends or fam and ends up at home or some restaurant
Seriously! Has no one heard of the buddy system?
One of the strangest missing persons cases I've heard of.
I'm convinced he ran away. A point I think got glossed over was the fact that he got dinner with his dad, despite being exhausted. That, followed by a night of drinking? It sounds like he was making sure to see his loved ones before he left.
How come the camera's don't show him leaving the bar? But you could be right. He probably told his friend and when the lie detector test came in he shut his mouth and lawyered up
@@Burner355 I can't remember if the video mentioned exits or open-able windows w/o cameras or not. And I'd venture to guess his friend knew, but he promised not to tell anyone. Thats why he could answer questions all day until the lie detector came out.
I wonder if covering for someone like that is illegal...
That can be a possibility. I also don't agree with the officer saying that people who commit suicide want to be found. A lot of suicidal people feel ashamed and cowardly for their feelings and don't want to be found dead by people they love
Totally, like in the video, he even called his brother and girlfriend to go drink with him but none of them came.
@@coolerjesus @lilcarcrash 21 as another guy said in the comments further up, polygraphs are renowned for being unfathomably unreliable for as huge number of reasons. working with the police, proving your innocence and having a clear name only to fail a polygraph because either you were nervous or the operator fucks up is a great way to make yourself a target. Yes, odd that he also (only using this video as evidence) only then chose to get a lawyer but alas, it was probably the wiser choice in the long run despite the way it presents him.
Wait, so.. He had a girlfriend and was flirting with a girl at the bar? And his poor girlfriend constantly called his phone worried sick about him?.. ouch..
He was probably under the effects of the alcohol.
He did tell her to move on and find someone else, so....
James McHale drunk cheating is still cheating
@@legowhite2 what?
@@legowhite2 because there is still no real form of consent? When your drunk, you don't really know what you are saying, so saying yes to sex can still be rape, because you don't know what is happening around you. Drunk cheating is still cheating because you are breaking the trust you had with your partner, by being with someone else, which is cheating. You may not be aware of it when your drunk, but you are responsible with knowing how much you can drink. Yeah, in either case you are responsible for how much you drink, but no one should ever have sex with you or anyone when they are drunk, because consent is still not there. Drunk cheating is still cheating, drunk sex can be considered rape.
Strange things like this happens all the time, one time a grocery store clerk went missing. Just vanished into thin air, years later they found his body stuffed behind a wall where he was probably sleeping on the job and fell in between the walls and died, They should check every little nook and cranny in that building.
I feel like this video casts a bit too much suspicion on Clint. Declining a lie detector test isn’t that uncommon, especially that long after the incident, and it certainly isn’t an admission of guilt..
Yes I agree not taking a test is reasonable, but he’s reason behind it makes no sense. He also cut ties with the whole family after the lie detector incident, which to me sounds like a guilty man walking. He’s also a friend too and he was there with him that night, but idk people act wish washy and this man is a washing machine at this point. (I don’t like someone who lawyers up after being so corporative in the beginning.)
Yup. I would be very skeptical of taking a lie detector as well because they aren't 100% accurate and could make me look like a liar when I'm being truthful.
Ronald Vasquez well he prob cut ties with them, because after he declined test, they prob got less than friendly with him. Likely very uncomfortable at best, and downright hostile at worst.
TheFacelessGod prob
@@jerryonlychild7003 I mean if you have nothing to hide then a lie detector shouldn't scare you. So not answering to it and locking up definitely makes you seem suspicious
I disagree about refusing to take a 'lie detector test' being suspicious. There is no benefit to do one, and no lawyer would ever advise you to do one
I agree. If you’re stressed, anxious, or even suffering from a mental illness then what’s the point?
Also, the tests aren't accurate
Yeah those tests have been proven to be bs fake science and are responsible for lots of innocent people being convicted and vice-versa
If your heartrate rises or start breathing faster they say its how they detect lies.
100% agree!
Polygraph tests only show responses to questions. They do not detect truth or lie and are not admissible in court. They are only used to gage reaction and to see if they should pursue the individual further but are not a test of guilt. There is also no technical "pass" or " fail," as the results are on a range of reaction. Furthermore, getting a lawyer and exercising your right to council should never be seen as suspicious. It is for YOUR protection.
"Brian Shaffer went missing"
"WOOOOO, PEARL JAM LETS GOOOOOO!!!"
No respect and the guy saying it “this is serious but they kept cheering 🙂
Zero X I think most people were cheering halfway through it because they were happy awareness was being raised
YAAASS WOOOO MISSING GUY!!!
@@Origmist They didn't understand. They were still in moment
On the podcast released last week with the title ‘Brian Schaffer Interview ////// 770’ the former lead detective said that he asked Brian’s ex-girlfriend Shelly if Brian was gay/bisexual - she said that Brian had experimented with men. The detective then went on to say that another person said ‘yeah, that happened’. The host of the podcast then stated that ‘there was speculation that he was gay - would that be enough of a reason to run away and start a new life?’. The detective replied ‘yeah, yeah and that was discussed with the unit and a couple of our superiors who were over at the (FBI) at the time, and that was discussed and maybe he had run off at the time and maybe he had run off and started a new life and if you don’t use your name, social security number and date of birth, you could do that. It’s not impossible but it’s not the easiest thing to do either’.
Later in the podcast, the host said that he heard Clint and Brian had more than a friendship relationship and said he questions what Clint was hiding. He said he wonders if at some point their friendship had become romantic - the detective’s response? ‘It could have been, yep. Ummm…we interviewed some roommates of Clint’s…and Clint and Brian roommated for a bit and then Brian moved out and them umm we interviewed the two roommates Clint had after that and their opinion, they made statements to us that they felt they (Brian and Clint) were a little too touchy-feely, more than what guys normally would do’.
The host asks ‘do you think that’s why Clint doesn’t want to talk, he doesn’t want that out?’ The detective replied ‘it could be, you know that he doesn’t want that to get out. That was one of the things we did discuss in the unit, you know, one of the possibilities here. So yeah, that’s one of the questions that we’d like to find out.’
Maybe an outburst of jealosy after flirting with that girl? This should've been in the video
Ok. Come on. JFC. You are just trying to cause weirdo panic. Stfu.
This is what happens when woman get too much into true crime…
What sucks is that he had his whole life figured out. He was gonna be a doctor and save lives, but instead it all ended right there.
He said he wanted to have a band and the whole "doctor thing" was a temporary thing.
@@animamundii There is a lot of controversy surrounding the direction Brian really wanted to take in life.
@@butterflygirl2285 i think either way it was good he had an idea of what he wanted
No doubt.... dude couldn't even save his own life, he would have been a horrible doctor
@@dredwick Wow you must be fun at parties.
"this is serious- a man went missing-"
"AAAHHH PEARL JAM WOOOHHHH"
That genuinely infuriated me
Grow up, they literally came there to see the band
@@hzlink but when they mean thier serious, that doesn't matter, the band is there all night, the message to find Brian was essential and without it, could've affected the case.
Morgan Jinks well the last place to ask a serious question is at a rock concert where is everyone is probably stoned out of their mind.
@@odealianaffairs9001 you'd be surprised how many people can hold there liquor right after a concert
@@hzlink Amen
Just in case you ever get asked to Jorge: *Never* take a polygraph/lie detector test if you have underlying mental health conditions, are anxious in any way, want accuracy and don't fancy being pinned for something you didn't do.
They're notoriously faulty and aren't accurate, both for the innocent and the guilty.
thanks cia
In the us they're not admissible in court, I believe they are used to force a confession
The fact that he just vanished into thin air without any trace and whereabouts clearly suggests that something bad happened to him, without a doubt. Considering the fame of his case, it would be impossible for him to stay hidden for so long
If they were able to identify every single person leaving the bar that night except Brian, then he's still there. I think bones will be found on that site one day. Very sad.
They would have found something by now. That building was completely renovated.
@@shrimpflea Was the elevator renovated for sure?
Idk if that's true. The building was under renovation at the time of this incident. You're saying since then it's been completely remodeled again?
No he isn't. Please stop with this theory. I work at the university-this building was recently gutted. He is NOT in there. Dogs traced his scent to a Wendy's that was behind the Tuna bar and abruptly lost his scent, like he got into a car. The theory that he's in that building has got. To. Stop. It's been looked at and looked at and LOOKED at and they even gutted the damn building. people love a creepy story like that but it's not true.
You forgot the emergency exits , he could have used those
I kinda hate the "oh he didn't take the lie detector test" even though they aren't 100% reliable, I wouldnt take the thing either
They ARE 100% reliable at being totally meaningless.
@Feddy dueber no, your positioned is literally a slave mentality. You are told that something is a lie detector. So you think someone wouldnt have a problem with taking the exam and "clearing their name".
But if you look at the facts of the matter, they dont work and are not associated with detecting deception at all. The entire premise of a polygraph is that lying causes certain responses in the human body. That lying is the only thing that causes these things, and that these responses are totally autonomous and cant be controlled by the person.
None of this turns out to be true.
This means that the results are entirely interpretive, meaning any interpretation is equally valid or they are entirely fabricated.
So why would something like that be a way to clear your name.
Quit being a slave to those whow have a vested intereat in keeping you think they are better than you and are supposed to be in power over you. They arent.
There is no deus ex machina.
Dont be a fool.
@Feddy dueber what are you even talking about a lie detector is a polygraph. There may in future be some legally accepted other technology that can determine if someone is being deceptive. But polygraphs aint that.
The reason someone wouldnt take one is that the people who administer polygraphs are doing so at the behest and are being paid by the people who have a vested interest in having the result conform to their suspicions.
In other words the court and police are the people who employ polygraphers, and they have a vested interest in having polygraphs show what they want them to. Polygraphers who routinely adminiater tests that dont do that will find themselves not getting calls to administer polygraphs fairly soon.
This is why they are almost entirely inadmissable as are the facts around whether or not you took one. They are used as a tool of manipulation and coercion.
I honestly dont expect you to understand or agree with any of this because you seem to be mentally deficient and suffering from the dunning Kruger effect.
In other words you are of subaverage intelligence and not psessed of much information about the workd around you,but because you have survived in what is becomming an ever increasingly unchallenging world both physically and mentally, you presume that the way you think and things you know ar good enough because they have gotten you this far.
The thing is that you have survived this long because many other people went through the trouble of learning thing and thinking the big thoughts for you and you simply benefitted from that.
If you didnt know that a lie detector and a polygraph are the vast majority of the time the same thing then you arent qualitified to have this conversation or even have an opinion on the matter. But here you are doing it on the internet.
For the most part at this moment, polygraphs are the same thing as a lie detector. That nearly always what someone is talking about if they say lie detector. There are some emerging technologies and certainly some other things that people claim can detect deception but they are either not developed enough for mainstream use yet or they are just obviously as inneffective as polygraphs.
Go spend half an hour on wikipedia and learn about polygraphs instead of just thinking that someone who challenges your world view must be some sort of bad person.
You and people like you are the problem with the world.
@Feddy dueber sure they work. The show exactly what the person adminstering them decides they show. If thats honesty because they are paid by the defense then they will show honesty, and if the desired result is dishonesty because they are paid by the prosecution, then they will show dishonesty. Theres a reason that they are almost never admissable as evidence and that the use of them as prescreening tools for employment has been outlawed in pretty much every state and only allowed for specific types of employment and the only reason its still allowed there is because the people at the heads of those industries know a lot of connected and powerful people and spread enough money around that they can keep their little pseudoscientific traditions.
Ive had a secret clearance man, i passed a rather lengthy and in depth background investigation
Few expenses were spared, and there was no polygraph, if it was thought polygraph examination would have been revealing of anything meaningful i guarantee you that they would have used it. They dont cost that much. They take between an hour and two hours and cost about 200 to 400 if you are purchasing them individiually. The govt buys in quantity. They would retain a polygrapher or an agency, give them a set yearly check, guarantee that they wouldnt use them more than x number of times or that they would pay x ammount for each time after that. It would be super easy to do and pretty cheap.
And typically the best way a polygraph can be used is against a person that actually believes it can detect deception because they will often simply confess to whatever it is. Its essientially intimidation and its a poor way to get confessions because of the high rate of false positives.
The inventor of the polygraph also believed that you could hook it up to plants and detect their feelings and later in life admitted that he knew that it didnt work.
They are pseudoscience.
When some young, fit person with no prior problems just randomly goes missing, I always assume they were kidnapped for organ harvesting.
His eye thing, during pizzagate there were alot of victims that had that trait.
someone in these comments said the owners were known to be sketchy
@@droneguts5122 Soros has that eye thing.
won't surprise me that ppl like him would want spare parts.
@@the_real_hebrews1658 I just remember Alefantis posted a picture of a young girl with a close up of her eye and she had the same eye thing.....I forget the name of it. Anyways, the commentators were all fawning over it. I think you get it from extreme abuse while the mother is pregnant or something to that effect. Possibly more to the families history then is being reported.
i think missing411
Usually when you have a case like this of there being no record of someone leaving, It's usually that they never did leave and they got into somewhere. They couldn't get out of and died in the building.
Clint was smart. He got a lawyer. That's not suspicious, he's just protecting himself. He's not stupid. He knows police will get tunnel vision.
I do not agree with your thoughts,you can get a lawyer,and still accept the loe detector,many eyewitnesses did have a lawyer but accepted the lie detector.
@@inasvids4747 There is literally no benefit to doing a lie detector test. If you pass one, you gain nothing, and if you fail you become a main suspect or event get convicted. Lie detectors literally do not work. *Everyone* who gets asked to take a lie detector by the police should lawyer up.
@@inasvids4747 They are inadmissible because they are deeply flawed; no court will allow them in as evidence
So why would you? Just to appease the cops?
No.
@@egregiousqueef7781 i aint lying
@Iowa Nowhere well not all
If he never left that building, I would start investigating the staff members that left the building after Brian's last sighting.
Yeah. Also, noone in the investigation provided pictures about said construction?? I think that having at least pictures of those back exits leading to the construction could clear some theories.
There’s a channel called Brian Schaffer dead or alive that has new leads that I didn’t know about. Check out the interview with retired Detective Hurst. He mentions there was a point when an automatic camera was going to turn in a certain direction and then the camera switches to manual mode. They were puzzled about that and talked to the employees but nothing came out . This suggests one of the cameras (perhaps one by a back entrance or door ) was tampered somehow. If so that changes everything and explains how Brian exited the bar OR was harmed in the bar without the camera showing what really happened.
So how is no one talking about the girls that interacted with Brian before he disappeared? There could've easily been something where they/Brighton told Brian to meet him somewhere leading to him getting jumped for everything on him. I don't get how those girls get completely overlooked, aren't they one of the last people to interact with Brian? Something about that just doesn't sit right.
i think they were looked into but nothing came out of it
@@Soulglo222 I was thinking the same thing.
They were interviewed but nothing came of it.
The girls could have been stalked by a defensive boyfriend with bodyguards. So Brian, no connection to girls, no connection to unknown killers - did he get kidnapped? Why is his body totally gone? These girls are either professional body smugglers or he got kidnapped by a third party.
@@theRealStreetScholar I don't think the girls had anything to do with it. Again they were questioned and nothing came of it.
So complex . When you see a doctor , remember that they go thru so much, to get that diploma-- Especially at some schools .
This guy needed some inpatient therapy . You can see the stress in the photos .
who knows where he is, but yea he needs help
Clint refusing to take a lie detector test isn’t suspicious at all, polygraphing is notoriously hit or miss, and even the best operators can only achieve around 90% accuracy, with most only achieving 70-80% (Max). He’s still suspicious, just not because he refused a lie detector test and got a lawyer. I probably would, too.
If you are wondering why they aren’t accurate, it’s because those machines measure your physiological changes as you answer questions and record spikes in heart rate among other things, and everyone has a different physiological response to lying.
That doesnt make sense. Taking it for the sake of taking it would be reasonable. Not taking it for a fear of whatever is suspicious. And he states clint stopped cooperating after that.
@@hansols1727 I said that he was still suspicious for that very reason, I simply stated that his refusal of taking a polygraph test could not be held against him because of its known flaws. The reason lie detectors are still in use despite being inaccurate is because it speeds up trials. Jurors tend to believe the results.
@@hansols1727 I would have also refused it if innocent of any crime. There have been thousands of cases in which the police ask friends/family members to take a lie detector test. The innocent person agrees, but fails somewhat. The police then develop tunnel vision for that one person. Said person is convicted and sentenced to life in prison only to be exonerated of any wrongdoing 20 years later because they found the *real* suspect. Polygraph tests are junk science, at best. Life destroyers at worst.
Plus it doesn't actually measure your response to lying. Some of the most well known serial killers came out as innocent during the lie detector test. Thing is, if you suffer from anxiety, you're fucked.
Yeah, after watching countless hours of police investigations on RUclips I wouldn’t so much as cough in front of a detective without my attorney present.
& the fact that a polygraph is not admissible in court is reason enough to tell you that the technology is flawed.
This is amongst the frustrating mystery I've come across. It's not even clear whether or not he ever left the building. There's no motive, no suspect, no indication of whether it was foul play or voluntary disappearance.
Yeah but there is a motive for Brian leaving the country... His mother dying, a fight with his gf, and when he asked his girlfriend to "just leave with him". Also, from what ive heard, he probably has bipolar disorder.. But what do you think?
@@YeCurry0 Very hard to leave the country without leaving any records of travel. Bus or plane tickets. Not only having his name, but most likely to be paid with a credit card, and his bank accounts weren't touched. He didn't drive across the border, because his car was never moved.
@@Logan_Baron But you do have to admit there was somthing weird going on with him and leaving. What I think happened is he died somewhere, maybe killed himself in the country a few hours away from the city.
He clipped through a wall and has been 'out of bounds' ever since.
He's in the backrooms now.
Top 10 speedrunning fails
@@fatefatefate Oh hey whats up dude I've listened to some of the albums you uploaded.
I wonder if he found the doll in that one room in Flatgrass yet.
@@genocidecrusade6534 i was gonna make that comment lol
I live in Columbus and I remember a guy I worked with around the time this happened would get very weird and nervous whenever anyone would start talking about this case. Once when we were all talking about it at work he said matter of fact and in full confidence "They'll never find him", and when we asked why he said that he refused to elaborate or say anything else, like he knew something about it. That guy has since passed away of a drug overdose and it still bothers me to think about.
Did you report it to the police?
Please please report this info to the police or even fbi- you can do it anonymously if you’d prefer. Any little piece of information could change everything!
Never talk to pigs
You should report this to the authorities, anonymously.
@@acacius3051 so they can ignore it? 1312
God I feel so bad for Derek. He lost his mother, brother, and father in a very short span of time.