This CHEAP Mini Switch Has it ALL
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- This fanless and cheap mini switch has it all. 2.5GbE, 10Gbase-T, SFP+, management, and PoE. With just about every feature that we have seen folks ask for in comments.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:36 External Hardware Overview
06:26 Internal Hardware Overview
08:58 Performance
09:27 Power Consumption and PoE Power Budget
11:57 Management
13:42 Key Lessons Learned
17:18 Wrap-up 
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“Dumb” label is so much more brilliant than “unmanaged.” Props to Hasivo. That’s what we all call them anyway, since that uses less syllables.
Fewer syllables.
@@chesshooligan1282 Either work and nobody likes a grammar cop.
@@serenity1378 Studies have shown, grammar nasties are often unpleasant people IRL too. That's what I think of every time I see someone correcting comment section grammar.
@tsrqponmlkh as an unpleasant person and a sometimes grammar nasty, I can corroborate this report.
Apparently "fewer" is a correct word to use, but the idea that "less" is incorrect is under debate.
It's interesting, but also not worth correcting someone over. We all understand both uses of "less", regardless of the final rule (which may never come).
@@chesshooligan1282yeah but less is fewer syllables
Holy cow. They saw mikrotiks naming scheme and said hold my beer.
Ha!
If you are reviewing a managed switch please spend a bit more time on the management. I am trying to scrub through to see if SNMP is supported and I am still not sure.
Good point.
@@ServeTheHomeVideoalso tell if SNMP is supported already 😂
"Good point" lol get wrecked
From the web interface speedrun @ 13:17, there is no SNMP mention in any of the pages Patrick flies by. As I hardly believe there is CLI configuration on this unit, your answer would be "no SNMP support".
I have a similar switch that from the looks of it has the same web ui, and I don't see any mention of SNMP.
I like that the toggle has "Dumb". They were going to put Stuuupid, but i guess they decided it would take too much space 😅
6:37 Whoa! The Matrix's render engine is really struggling with those angled vents in the chassis!
That's a pretty impressive list of features considering the price. I'm going to have to consider buying one.
but where
Great to see discussion of these things; hard to know if they're any good when you have never heard of the brand!
@ServeTheHome Regarding the MAC, it might be worth checking if this management UI also has the hidden factory menu at /system_set.html like the older Hasivo switch you reviewed. If it does, that menu allows you to change the default IP, MAC, etc.
I tried this on my PoE model I just received today, that just renders a blank page here.
However, my model does have a different MAC address to the one in this video screenshot at 13:17, so sounds like they fixed this.
Finnally the switch I wanted. Great to plugin my 2.5g APs, and have them trunked for different SSIDs. Also nice to have the 10g Uplink to the rest of the network.
I really enjoy opening RUclips app and seeing cheap amazing switch review 😊
Thanks again!
How do you scan and verify there is no malware on Chinese switches? Maybe you can do a co host with a security expert.
One thing I would like is for them to add a GLOBAL save settings button, since as it looks now you don't know if settings are saved or not [Some managed switches/access points require you to save after each change when moving between pages].
Good point.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Have also seen that its currently 130 euro's. {Might be because there is no active sale at the moment, which will cause prices to be their INFLATED prices, instead of the actual price}
Maybe the seller/Manufacturer can add it to a firmware update.
Since most "reputable" sellers are open to suggestions on how to improve their products.
Based on the reviews there are also issues with each unit having the same MAC address meaning its impossible to use multiple in the same network, or use it as a MODEM.
So this is another fix they need to implement as well
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{Avatto is a good example, they even gave the TUYA cluster spec [for a thermostat panel] when I requested it, in order to use with Home-assistant, as they originally claimed it worked under ZHA when asked, but it did not properly work without the correct cluster info for a custom quirk-file}
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cute switch that can power a POE ap and a few clients :D nice to see some unique products!
That plain simple style of management website. It gives me nostalgia vibes.
Definitely picking one of these up for my hot dog stand!
Super :-)
I would love to see more Mikrotik content. Thanks for this alternative offering.
Targeting the next MikroTik video on March 7 so a bit over a week from now
@@ServeTheHomeVideo awesome!
I got mine (4x2.5G Based-T and 2x10G SFP+) for 170CNY, which is less than 30 USD. A killer deal if I can call it such.
I basically use it as a 10G-2.5G bridge
@@r_firefly4292 Yeah, the unmanaged ones are cheap enough for use cases like that.
They can also be used instead of media converters when you want to electrically separate two buildings, when combined with cheap fiber transceivers.
finally ...after i go unifi... still nice to know it's an option could be handy for other projects
Nice video ! Maybe that's what i need !
You verry often talk about the consumption of sfp+ modules or transceivers,do you have a brand/model you trust ? Maybe a link ?
Probably be something I get, if I had one gripe it would be the lack of an internal power supply. power bricks are just unsightly to me but considering the price and features certainly something I could overlook.
Nice, do the 2.5gb ports support link aggregation?
Hasivo also has a version with 2 SFP+ ports on their website, but not on their store. Other brands sell it though.
We have reviewed a ton of the 4x 2.5GbE and two SFP+ versions in our round-ups.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I know. I own one of them actually (same hardware as the YuanLey/Davuaz but branded HiSource). 😀
Still, I just wanted to mention it in case someone wants this exact managed PoE switch, but with an extra SFP+ port instead of the 10GBase-T port.
Btw. it would be nice if you could check if this switch has the same hidden /system_set.html page where you can modify the factory settings (including default IP and MAC address) as the older 5 + 2 port Hasivo switch?
I got some rubber feet once from China There was so much plasticiser in them that they turned into sticky goo after two years.
They either turn into sticky goo or hack you and steal all your data! One of those two.
I might be wrong, but that looks like an Aricent management interface. IIRC you used to be able to unblock port 6080 to get the same thing though the console port on QNAP switches, but I just tried now and it seems they've disabled it all together.
One thing to add to the SFP+ ports is that they also support 2.5G modules in my experience.
It usually depends on if the module supports 2.5G.
@@Daniel15au i know, I wasn't clear enough. I meant 2.5G SFP modules, which might not work over 1G in every SFP+ port.
One thing that might be worth testing on these things would be SFP+ DACs. Ordered 3 of them a few months back only to realise they don't play well with copper-based DACs, at least.
Found this review after I had already ordered these for my second attempt to move to 2.5G with 10G connecting the switches themselves, here's hoping for not other return lol.
Don't know the brand but on paper looks great.
Being able to switch between layer 3 and layer 4 is a nice touch.
Would be great to use with IP2110. Does the switch support IGMP v3 and PTP v2 with awareness?
Nice little switch. The whole thing reminds me of the early days of Netgear. Cheap but well working, good features, janky 1990s web interface - its got it all :D
Very much so.
Loved what you shared. Made me learn a lot. I am factory of industrial smart management POE switch. Can I establish supply relationship with you?
I've been looking for a high bandwidth switch for my hotdog stand!
Indeed it is a key lesson learnt that if you need POE you should buy the POE version. Genius!! 😂🤣
The Dumb / Web switch is clever because it reduces attack surface, especially as the switch ages and exploits become trivial. It might just turn the remote admin on/off, so it may retain it's managed settings in Dumb mode even after you power cycle?
Good question. Or it just resets all settings.
@@vencdeemaking it a "dumb" switch i obviously consider it losing all settings, or it isn't dumb anymore.
This switch as rackmount version with double the 10Gb & 2.5Gb ports and POE for 150€ would be amazing. Great find!
there are switches like nicgiga S25-0402P,
+you can mount it to a 10"rack (the ears are very thin),
+it has PoE,
+4x2.5G and 2x 10G SFP,
+the power supply is internal
the only downside it's a dumb switch with no web interface
@@TheTipov Sounds nice! But would need 4 10 Gbs and 8 1-2.5Gbps ports with POE and management.
But as Patrick said in the video, reviews of switches with more ports are coming!
This would be perfect for my home stop… but I drank the UniFi coolaide and don’t want to give that up.
koolaide
But do they even have a 4 or 5 port 2.5Gbe switch?
@@gregneumarke9373 8 port 2.5 with 2 SFP+ ports and POE+ is the closest Unifi option for 4-6x the cost. However no mac address issue, a proper power supply and plenty of firmware updates.
well 5 port isn't enough but an 8 port would be fine. They do kind of have a switch that would work but it's just shy of $500@@gregneumarke9373
@@tolpacourt Kool-Aid™.
Been looking for a switch with the (relatively) same capes as the Ubiquiti US-XG-6POE and i think the PoE version of this will do. Thanks for the review!
The Ubiquiti is pretty outrageously priced.
Interesting video, I just had a look at 2.5G switches last week because I thought about upgrading my network, but although ~90 bucks may be cheapER than before, compared to the about 10€ price for a 1G 5port switch, I would deem them still too expensive, especially, if you want to upgrade more of them.
I think I still will have to wait a bit until these will be more affordable, especially if the prices are dropping fast. Another year won't harm me :D
If you are fine with unmanaged switches, you can find those in the $30-40 range, sometimes less. I've seen the HiSource one for $36 including both 25% VAT and shipping. I ended up buying one just to have on hand as an extra switch.
I am going to upgrade to 2xwifi7 and an asustor flastor 12. My pc will get a 10gb port as well. The motherboard has a 4 lane slot available. The only cards that are x4 have rj45 ports. Cards with sfp+ tend to be x8.
So for me I would want at least a 4 port 10gb switch with a few ports for connecting other switches for appliances.
I would love to see more 10gb switch reviews compared to the flood of these 2,5 gb oriented switches.
does it do link-aggregation on the 2.5 gbps ports? would be nice for my nas. thanks!
Good to see they are comming down in price. However, I don't need fiber, but 4-8x 2,5G ports and 2x 10Gb.
We have reviewed a few of those. You can find them on the guide
I'd be interested in seeing a RTL838x switch with Openwrt installed instead of the default firmware
Hey. Did you test power consumption with SFP+ RJ-45 with plugedin cable and estabilished 10GbE link ?
In my experiance RJ-45 10GbE SFP+ draws power as hell and produce insane heat that makes them dangerous to se in passive cooled systems.
Yeah. These rj45 sfp+ modules easily reach 100°C even when doing just 2Gbit/s traffic (and smarter switches (that can read temperature sensor in module) shut them down then).
The thing I noticed on the inside is well, rust!
One of these would be perfect for my back yard workshop/radio shack. I really like the ability to easily pop in a module to get an optical connection back to my house's network, whilst providing some isolation should me radio's antenna cop a lightning event. (Sure that would trash most of everything out there, but optical should stop it there). I've also thought of putting an access point up my radio tower to share my connection, however it needs a vlan for that, and these can do that, nice.
Two concerns, do the ports accept slower devices, like 100Mb etc.
And if you have both, be very careful with the power supplies, as one is 12V whilst the other is 52V, so smoke could easily be made.
One other slightly related, If I do put in an SFP optical module, what do I need at the other end, as my main switch does not have SFP.
If you want to use a fiber connection you obviously need to be able to put an SFP+ fiber transceiver on the other end as well. If you can't, you could put a second switch like this there to media convert for you, I suppose. 🙂
Is the one port SFP or SFP+ there seems to be different listing on the provided link, some pictures show SFP others show SFP+?
Just my cisco APs use like 15-25w each at least..and here i was thinking it'd be good for using for poe to upgrade to aps with 2.5g ports..might still be okay but I'd only be able to use two ports that way (not that I need more than 2 aps in my apartment lol)
I bought the hassivo 8 port 10gbe managed switch based on your recommendation. What I've found is that after a couple of months, the web management website eventually goes down and the firmware resets to stock settings. Performance is good, but i run unraid and windows with jumbo frames, but every couple months, it just stops working because the switch reset to stock settings of no jumbo frames. I also am not able to reach the web management site until I reset the firmware on the switch. Just a heads up to others looking for hassivo switches.
Ya this is why these dirt cheap aliexpress options really need a junk / not junk rating based on how many problems you see reported in STH forums etc. ITS SO CHEAP is not the only thing we should be concerned with.
Can it be caused by instable electricity like voltage surge?
Alos can the web settings be saved into file to be restored later?
What about changing MAC addresses (or ending part of the address).
As i've learned from working with microcontrollers in a couple of hobby projects, perhaps it's a runtime counter that has overflowed?
Try to do a periodic check for valid HTTP responses, and you may possibly find out that it crashes at the same uptime, every time.
Did you confirm that the settings survived a power cycle before this happened? In other words, that the running config in RAM was actually copied to the bootup config in flash? If not, that could explain the resetting after the crash.
I would make a post on the STH forum about it in the hope that people can help you troubleshoot the issue. 🙂
finally a 10gbe-to-10gbt layer three switch to meet the needs of my hotdog stand
I would call this more like a L2+ switch for your hot dog stand :-)
rubber feet -- incredibly cheap for something with a flat base. Simply a 2cm or 3cm square perforated to tear into 4 equal pieces of self-adhesive foam 2mm to 3mm thick. With that in mind, I have a roll of cheap self-adhesive weatherstrip foam and a pair of scissors...
Thank you for this review.
I was looking for a 8x port 2.5Gb, Poe, managed switch that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
It seems that this category is not so well represented in the market.
In your big review please include one such cheap option.
Thank you
Same. Even 8 is a bit short for me, 12 would be perfect, but I do have a need for an 8 port as well. 4 port, not so much.
@raduboboc Hasavio also sells a version with 9 ports, one at 10 gbase and the rest at 2.5 gbase
hasivo s1100wp-8gt-1xgt-se (one of 1005006151705898 item variants on ali)
I was originally interested in this for poe APs but likely not enough power for that. That said, did you see the max power draw? I'm wondering if you could power the non poe version of this with a barrel Jack splitter making it a nice clean remote switch.
looks great. Currently I have a Hssivo 5x 2.5G + 2xSFP+ Managed switch. It comes with a CLI too which is pretty close to a Cisco one. Does this one have a CLI? Also, what is the PoE standard? Can it power a Ubiquiti U7 pro?
BT/AT so U7 Pro should work (but max 2 since 2*21W=42 when ~50W is max)
No CLI apparently. The management interface is also missing several features compared to the one you have.
I'm still looking for one that does POE++ out at 2.5G with SFP+ uplink.
a prosumer switch with an api that supports config as code would be awesome
I'm still waiting for one of these switches with 3x10g, that would be the icing on the cake for me
We have a few with more than two SFP+ ports coming, but they tend to be more expensive and use more power.
The MokerLink variant of this switch (2G04210GSMX) only has a 50 Gbps backplane, so it's not quite line rate (which would be 60 Gbps). Do these benchmarks show the same thing with Hasivo? ~25 Gbps duplex → 50 Gbps combined? Or am I not reading that chart right?
Other switches using the RTL8372 switch chip state a 60 Gbps switching capacity. It would probably be best to check the official datasheet.
@@blunden2That's actually what confused me, as even Mokerlink's other similar switches claim 60 Gbps and even MokerLink's page is contradictory: some places it writes 60 Gbps and other areas 50 Gbps.
I emailed them last week and they confirmed the switch is only 50 Gbps and the 60 Gbps is a typo. I asked if there is an equivalent 60 Gbps model and this was their reply:
"We won't be releasing a 60Gbps version in the future, but we think that this version will meet the needs of most users. "
I don't know why / how this switch design has been singled out for non-line-rate perf, but it surprised me.
@@ikjadoon Weird. Not sure I necessarily trust them since they are simply in the business of rebranding Hasivo switches, they don't actually develop anything themselves as far as I can tell.
On the other hand, I don't own this particular switch so I can't refute it either. If it is true, that's certainly a downside.
oooo...at 90$, makes it into a super inexpensive media-converter 🤔
Thought would be nice to see a second SFP+ port
I just find it silly that since Comcast can only give me a 2.5g copper port, I have one of these between them and a PA-3220...
i’m a noob, but when are the grounding points in the switches used and how do you ground it?
I really hope you are making a giant tiny mini micro cluster in the background with all these review units
We have a pretty big TMM cluster :-)
Ive had an interesting issue with the hasivo 8 port 10g poe switch (previously reviewed). It seems that the signal is not as good as other switches. After changing to hasivo,on 2 of my links it refuses anything but 100mbit. I need to pull new cables or something...
Changing back to unifi, and everything runs at 1gbit. Unifi ran 4 years at 1gbit without issue, and changing the hasivo to no autonegotiate anf 1000mbit and it sees no link.
In spite of this, i would recommend it - its probably an issue with the wires installed in the wall (though they are cat7). Strange though that hasivo is reliably stuck at 100mbit and unifi (and previously netgear) had no issue with gbit
Managed 2.5Gig with POE and all the extras for 100ish bucks? I'm about to get one to replace my unmanaged switch.
Hasivo has great low cost managed switchs. Only issue I had with them is compatibility with Cisco dac cable.
It's common to run into compat issued with pluggables (like DACs/SFPs/etc) between vendors.. sometimes they are 'cosmetic' issues (ie: log warnings), and sometimes they configured to not function. This is usually done for compat/warranty reasons (and plenty of non-technical reasons designed to extort money from pockets). Your best cross-brand solution would be opt for a Standards based interface between them - ie: a cable running 10GBaseT or 10G-LX/SX handoff, compared to a DAC.
The support person for the POEPLUS brand (they rebrand Hasivo switches) promised me a firmware update with better DAC support if I sent them some more details, after I mentioned it for context when asking questions about one of their switches. I was under the impression that the issue was a hardware design flaw, but they claimed it's firmware. Let's see who's right. 😄 Either way I already bought Ipolex fiber transceivers that work fine with it, so it would mostly be a bonus at this point.
Also made sure to mention the few other bugs/issues I've found, as well as the solution to its broken SSH (it relies on there being a user named "root"). It will be interesting to see what they come up with. 🙂
I have a ONTi with 8 * 10G SFP that is really nice as well, but has the same management interface, but it's in Chinese 😞. I have paid too much though since it costs like 50 euro less now... but for the 160 euro including 21% VAT it is now it looks to be a good deal as well. I replaced the "garbage adapter" I got with a better one. I often don't trust the Chinese power adapters. They can be really scary. I do label them with "Chinesium" in case I need a temporary adapter to test something. But I don't use those for 24/7 usage. You can buy really cheap 10G SFP+ optical modules these days that also seem to work well. Maybe I will replace my 35 watt (idle as well!) powerhungry QNAP switch with this.
Did you try asking the seller if they have an updated firmware with English support? I've seen at least one switch that originally shipped with Chinese-only firmware later get English as an option in a later firmware update.
I bought a €32 2.5GbE switch from alliexpress with 2 10GbESFP uplink ports. Took me a while to figure out what MDX is and that I could not use any of the rj45 ports to plug in my internet cable comming from my isp’s modem. So spent another €40 on a SFP+ module that isnon the way now. Lesson learned 😒
I have not heard of MDX before.
Did you mean MDI-X? In that case, just use a cross-cable or if one device supports MDI/MDI-X switching, it should work just fine.
Anybody know whether the SFP+ and/or 10Gbps ports on these things can be constrained to 5Gbps for use with Cat5e?
A sick idea would be embedding one of those per 2U server as subdistribution 😂
There were designs like that in the 1GbE era when some multi-nodes were trying to be more like blades
Still not enough to make me consider upgrading my Mikrotiks from 2017. They're basically the same price. Maybe if they added another 18 basic gig ports.
Does it support LACP or only static LAG ?
I current have two of these switches. I did not have the same MAC address issue as the user on AliExpress reported. Mine showed up with two separate MAC addresses and I have set static IPs managed by my DHCP server and I can access both without issues.
This is likely something that would be fixed over time.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo It seems like it is fixed with FW V1.8 or higher. My firmware date is Nov 23 2023
Thanks for confirming. 😀
I don't know why the Hasivo support staff won't let the user who gave it 2 stars on the AliExpress listing for that exact reason know that. Especially since multiple people have marked that review as "useful", likely affecting sales.
What is your SFP to rj45 module name?
while I am certainly enthusiastic about keeping the cost down, especially with a nice little managed switch with a webgui, and I'm glad that stuff like this exists for entry level uses for current/next gen home network use, but I'm still waiting to see some cheap 1/5/10g base-t basic managed switches (there ARE a few), but it would be nice to have more stuff that's cheap 10g sfp+ and 10g base-t. I like switches with 1/2.5/5/10g compatibility though so you can plug whatever you need into them and they can aid in changing over a home's network infrastructure from old fashioned 1g to 10g (either sfp+ or 10g base-t to take advantage of existing in-wall cat6 such as is my case). I still don't know why you'd go from 1g to 2.5g when you can jump to 10g... sure, you need an extra watt or two per port, but that's really not a bad ask considering most switches for home use are only 16 or so ports max (some folks buy a 24 for larger installations). I just wish we could collectively stop with the 2.5g and instead cost down 10g base-t while improving the electrical efficiency of the chipsets involved if possible.
the best use case I see for something like the switch in this video is for rolling out 5 poe ip cameras with a fiber uplink to a proper 10g sfp aggregation switch. (that'd be a pretty great deal for a diy home security install.
what on earth are you using for PoE Cameras where you max out 1G uplink port for 5 cameras... say you have 5x 12MP cameras, 15fps on high h.264 is about 20Mbit/s, x5 is 100Mbit/s... so really you could have 10x that number of cameras before you saturate a 1Gbit uplink. why many camera's still use 100Mbit network connections, as a single camera is never going to saturate that link. especially if you are using the new H265 codec.
Does this switch support RADIUS authentication with vlans?
Have you guys done any security testing on these? Phoning home etc?
We stick all of these on a dedicated sniffer network before reviewing.
I want this with 2 10gbE ports, there's one cheap one on Amazon that does it for $150 but many reviews say it overheats.
I'm running a direct 10gbE cable between workstation and NAS, and 2.5g to the rest of the home network. The PROBLEM this creates is the NAS is noisy for something that's in my office right between our bedroom and the kids room, and I cannot leverage the one in-wall Ethernet run that would let me move the server to the living room.
We reviewed the QNAP and I think a few others. All of them are in the linked Ultimate Guide on the main site
That interface looks pretty much like a Netgear ProSafe line switch. Doesnt surprise me to see a Common Gateway Interface (CGI) page in the URL. Be nice to see these interfaces moved out of 2005 by now, even if it is a cheap device.
Curiously the slightly older managed switches based on the RTL8373 + RTL8224 switch chip platform doesn't seem to use CGI from a quick glance.
Regardless, the interface seems to be based on a reference implementation from Realtek.
So you mentioned them having same MAC addresses? Do the PoE and Non-PoE version atleast have different MAC addresses incase someone wanted to get one of each?
Apparently already fixed so it should be a non-issue.
6:40 If "If you take of the bottom clam shell", you find rust.
Can you vlan-off the web interface, or will is answer on all of them?
What POE standards does this support? AF/AT/BT/24vPassive?
Can POE be disabled in ports vs cycled?
Reading the article on the main site it seems to support AT/BT ---- but again as mentioned, only 65w of budget w/o edits or another power adapter? Is there a max power listed for this or max Amps it can take if one needed to support more than one BT device?
From main article: "Port 1 802.3bt and Ports 2-4 802.3at" and poe reset is present like Patric said.
@@SeijinSAIt's worth asking the seller. On their older RTL8373+RTL8224 based 5 * 2.5GBase-T + 2 * SFP+ switch, it was rated for up to 130W but was usually sold with a 65W PSU unless you asked for the more powerful one. However, that switch's management interface has a bug that prevents you from raising it from 65W (unless you raise it to 200W). 😄
@@SeijinSA Actually, the POEPLUS rebranded version of this switch states that the BT port supports up to 90W, which lines up with what I mentioned previously. You might be able to ask for the bigger PSU if you want.
Note that the BT port has been a bit flaky in terms of PoE on my older model switch. I've seen one person on the STH forum pull 40W from it though so it certainly work well for some people at least. The AT ports have been working great for me though. 🙂
Most IP cameras only have 100Base-TX ports since even UHD cameras only need ~25Mbps while there is a party in front of the lens, 100Base-TX is cheaper, more power-efficient and also more resilient. If all you need PoE for is IP cameras, go 1GbE and get 2-3X as many managed PoE ports for your money, six times if you don't care about management. You likely also save a few watts from the more mature slower hardware not having as many grossly under-used processing resources per port.
True, but people also use PoE for things like WiFi APs that can use well over 1Gbps of bandwidth these days
@@ServeTheHomeVideo How many people go through the trouble of running Ethernet through walls for anything other than cameras and don't terminate those non-camera runs next to a power outlet?
@@teardowndan5364Wi-Fi APs are often on ceilings without power access. Granted I would want more poe to run more than 1 Wi-Fi 7 AP
Patrick as it has no fan and it's 65W poe, I'm surprised you didn't max out the Poe ports and measure temps. Please consider
Power draw of PoE devices won't make the switch heat up a noticeable amount. All the extra heat will be from the external 48v power supply.
Does toggling the switch from "web" to "dumb" really make it a dumb switch or does it just disable access to the web interface?
I'd prefer the latter to be the case. Configure, set to dumb, +10 security points.
Also, can access to its management webpage be limited to certain interfaces or VLANs?
Maybe some review of Zyxel XMG1915-18EP ?
XGS1210-12 as well. Rather happy with mine, but would like to some comparisons against other Zyxels.
FYI from aliexpress comments:
Do not buy if you planned on using more than 1 of these on the same L2 network - you will not be able to manage more than 1. It seems that all units have been manufactured with the same system MAC address assigned, and with no apparent way to change it. Hopefully this defect can be fixed with a firmware update…
Not sure if its same for this UNit as the front facia is slightly different to one I see listed on aliexpress.
Chinese junk tbh
I sent a message to Hasivo asking if the identical MAC ID was fixed for these switches and they responded it was.
Good to hear!
Someone else in the comments here already confirmed that their two switches had different MACs. 🙂
It sounds like it's already solved, or should be if you flash the latest firmware update.
How hot does the PoE version run? Some fanless PoE and / or 10G switches can run really hot eg the UniFi US-8. Some run so hot you need to be careful where you put them. I think using a laser thermometer to measure the running temps under load could be a good then to include in your reviews.
Since this has an external power supply I can't imagine the addition of PoE causing the main unit to run any hotter.
4 ports at 2.5 is good, but i often wonder if there are 8 or 16 ports (2.5) switches. I do not see much there.
Mounting Puddy! I use it to keep scratches off my workspace and to hold things in place as well
Good idea!
putty
@@tolpacourt thats putty.exe
If you want to use 2.5G and try out a path interface, these are the right switches.
Is it ETL or UL listed?
A hot dog stand?? That's definallty a first as far as examples go! 👍
I like the ports .. I just don't like that there's such an odd lot of them. PAIRS ARE NICER!
Fair. I thought that too. Then I tried to connect the Minisforum MS-01 (SFP+ mini PC) to a QNAP TBS-h574TX NAS (10Gbase-T and 2.5GbE) and I totally understood the use case. Some might think of this as a SFP+ to 10Gbase-T converter with bonus 2.5GbE ports.
Patrick, I imagine this as more of an edge device.
Drop a 12/16/24x10Gb (SFP+ or -T) in your central Home/Office location.
Then run either CAT6A / SR Fiber out to areas with multiple 2.5G clients or PoE Cameras, so you have a mostly non blocking solution.
Which reminds me, you can't really talk about power consumption and then put in a 10G-T transceiver ONLY. Those are very power hungry, for the bigger review, can you put in and compare a 10G SR Fiber Transceiver? Should be less power.
The idea is really to use something power hungry
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Just saying the newbs may not understand the difference.
It gives you a lot for your money, but there aren't a lot of use cases for 2.5Gbps POE. Most cameras would do fine with 1/100th of that speed. The only use case I could see is if you have a small business and need to POE a few very heavily used APs.
Wi-Fi 6E and 7 APs use 2.5 Gbps uplinks are are often PoE powered.
Most desktop motherboards also come with 2.5 Gbps ports, although the computer obviously won't need PoE. You'd still want to be able to take advantage of the higher speed while also having one or two PoE devices connected to the same switch, even if it doesn't need 2.5 Gbps yet.
are you guys doing any security testing on these devices? what aboyt cve's and regular bug fixes .....
These are pure switches without any L3 functionality, so there is very little 3rd party software on these devices (possibly none). The chance that a CVE is created for such a device is very low.
I need to throttle some of the ports sometimes. For example throttle port 1 and 2 to f.e. 10 or 5 mbit/s (just for a few hours, so when you've got an important video call it doesn't get inhibit by somebody f.e. downloading a game update). I never had a managed switch, but I take it it's not possible with a small one like this. Is there an easy solution for this (cable lan)?
Sounds like what you really want is QoS.
Did the web management support ipv6 addresses? I have an qnap switch which can be only managed trough an ipv4 address which is turning out to be more and more painful nowadays
While I can't say for sure about this particular web UI since it uses a different management UI than their older switch model, it wouldn't surprise me if it's IPv4 only. Hopefully Patrick or someone else knows for sure though. 🙂
For my older model, they have hidden the IPv6 settings in the web interface but they are still available via the CLI. Not sure that this newer one even has a CLI though.
@@blunden2Would be bad, device without Ipv6 is unacceptable.
All the devices having the same MAC is a major deal breaker really.
I hope the run down video of 2.5 gig has a JANK / non JANK note on each.. Think I will keep waiting for MikroTik to release a 2.5G POE+ switch.
I sent a message to Hasivo asking if the identical MAC ID was fixed for these switches and they responded it was.
If it was 2.5Gpbs PoE+ then it would have it all. Well one can only dream of one at some point.
It is though, isn't? PoE+ is 802.3at and all ports support at least that.
Did you test the IP change retention after reboot? That interface looks like another cheap switch with the same factory ip that would not retain the ip setting.
Most people with that issue do not write the configuration they are trying to save
@@ServeTheHomeVideo that’s what I thought it was first. But after the second attempt, it still didn’t keep. But all my vlan configuration did keep
@@Natebur I've had no issues saving my changed IP on the older Hasivo switch where people complained about that. Mine shipped with the updated firmware.
I've power cycled my switch multiple times and it still sticks. 🙂
My model also has a hidden menu to change the factory defaults so that would also be an option in my case if it didn't already work. 😄