Howdy, nice video. In November I ordered a Mario ebike with a BHSSHD mid drive with Gates belt and 5 speed IGH. The bike shipped in December, its stuck on a ship. I hope it arrives ok. Any suggestions, I already purchased the the Luna steel gear to replace the motor internal nylon gear. Have a nice day.
bummer its stuck on a ship, hope they get it to you soon. I also have the gear from luna but have yet to install it as i have never had any trouble. I have over 3000 miles on mine. The IGH hub and belt would be so smooth, i have thought about getting one. Well thanks for watching and dropping a comment .
Great Video! I was wondering if you were working on a comparison between the two. Glad to hear they got your bike working too. Excited to see the upgrade. Have a good one bro!
My first thought on seeing the 73 was those cranks are too short and the sproket is a bit smallish. But, back when I rode "20 bikes around; I took the crank off a ten speed and put it on my Diamondback. That time was a broken crank from jumping, and it was just to keep rolling. But I ended up liking the gearing so much I carried it over to later bikes also.
That was a good idea to swap that over . I'm not a fan of the short cranks myself, one example is when you riding around say around 20 mph and hit a hill, you can't pedal to help maintain speed do to the short cranks and small front chain ring, so you loose well over 5mph on a hill easy.. bit we are like different things
Thanks for the great insight! I'm soon moving to California for work and might have an everyday commute of 25 miles to and fro. I'm in my early 20s so style is a priority for me. But I'd also like to save some money if I can. I was really convinced on mid tier 2000ish super73. But that was before I found Mario bikes. Would buying a Mario be a better decision? I wouldn't mind paying a premium for a better product but from the video it seems like the Mario bikes are a better product. What do you think?
I prefer the mario one the super 73 because you can get a mid drive, the super 73 are a hub drive ebike and have a higher fail rate,also if you are going to have hills in your commute is strongly suggest mario over super 73. The mid drive is great on hills, the hub not so much. If you look in my videos I have on of my 1000w mid drive against a 1100w hub motor . The super 73 is a great bike but mario kills it in performance.
Fantastic content! I hope you keep the vids coming! I have a question I'm about to order the bike with rear hub motor but stuck between the Bafang & the MAC at 1000w. What is the difference? Bafang seem to be the most commonly used so I'm thinking of going with that, plus Ive heard some people having problems with the MAC controller? I can't go for the mid drive because I need the bike to look as bike like as possible. Thanks in advance if you are able to help!
my thoughts exactly. I'm thinking to get one with 1000w bafang as it has better water resistance as well and in my country it rains often. Did you get yours after all- how is it?
Awesome thanks for the sub I appreciate that . I will not be swapping my chain rings, I have a video coming out of me going to a mid drive motor on my Mario.. Do you own a Mario ??
Not a Mario exactly, but same built as the Ariel Rider dual D classic (difference its rear hub motor only). Just thinking, if there is a significant impact of changing to an oval chainring and oversized pulley on this kind of ebike. Thank you so much for responding.
@@ra1n13rph2 changing your front chainring can help improve top speed in most cases, but your first limit on speed is the display, check to see if it's set to the highest speed setting, if so and you can not gain more speed your controller could be restricting you from reaching more speed. If those to factors are allowing you to reach to speed and you just can not pedal faster , than a larger chainring would help. So start with the display and see if that helps..
Great video. Thank you. Where do you suggest is the best place to buy a Mario? I'm looking at Ali Baba but have never purchased anything from there before
@@briandhoward6137 I had actually already chose the super73 but may end up returning and go the other route due to performance, comfort and range of the bike for Mario Retro.
Hi thanks for all the info about the bikes! what do you think about using larger wheels say 24"? I'm concerned that without rear shocks the ride could be bumpy
Never tried 24, but I think there may be clearance issues with going that tall what I suggest to do is maybe run about 15 to 20 lb don't go 25 to 30 if you keep the tire pressure on 15 to 20 lb it seems to help with the bumps quite a bit and also for the super 73 I will be releasing shocks for that bike soon and doing an install video within the next couple weeks
Does the Mario have the Mac motor or the Bafang? I'm about to order and having a hard time deciding between the less expensive bagang with the li shui controller or the MAC with the ASI controller. Any advice?
hey brian thanks for the great insight!. im about to order the mario retro plus with 48V 1000W MAC rear hub motor. you have mentioned about not gettting the MAC, but when i talked to mario customer service they told me they fixed the issues. should i not get the MAC motor?
The wheels are yes so therefore it stretches the wheels out a little bitwider but not by much it definitely gives it a cooler look but I know super 73 has had a problem with wheels that pinch the tubes do to this
@@briandhoward6137 i would take an advice , something like super 73 with decent price / quality , front suspension at least would help me tho , as for me it's kinda exploring stuff around city
@@briandhoward6137 I must admit on my BBSHD its sweet just holding the throttle down and going through the gears I do have a gear sensor on the bike but I am tempted towards a IGH :)
@@icedave2004 yes I am tempted to go that route but it all depends on what my wife wants to do with the bike as it is hers I know are super 73 Z we're going to be doing some major upgrades that that bike is definitely way under powered and way too slow
Would you be able to post your build for the mario bike you ordered? I know you've customized it since but I'd like to know exactly what you ordered before I order mine.
Brian D Howard I’ve been watching your videos on the Mario and become very interested in purchasing one. The Mario store on alibaba says they can’t ship to Canada, only the States which sucks for me. I’ve been looking at a retailer in BC that supposedly will be shipping units mid-late May. 52V 14AH battery, 750W bafang hub, front suspension, b&w vertical display, LED headlight and brake light, and front/rear fenders. 2400CAD w/tax and free shipping. Good deal? I’m over 6’ so hoping it won’t be too small. Any thoughts would be appreciated man, again thanks for all the great vids!
@@briandhoward6137 it's just because of controller issues ? Or its just preferred ? It's my first ebike so I'm mostly planning exploring nature around riding back and forth on forest paths. On super 73 forums some says that mid drive can easily snap chain and then you have to push it
Hello Brian, great videos, I’m glad i came across your channel man, I’m going to order a custom retro plus from Mario Bike, i was wondering how confortable or uncomfortable is the seat ? I just watched the Ariel Ride D class video and they came up with a very nice custom seat for their bike. I’m wondering if it’s worth looking for another seat or some custom made for the retro plus.
Awesome thank you.. I love my retro plus, the seat for me is fine and I have over 2000 miles on it now. Others say it's to stiff. I'd wait and get 200-300 miles on it before you decide on a seat swap. If you in the US I can help you with your Mario purchase. Thanks again for watching
Brian D Howard Thanks man, Will do. I’m in France btw but already checked everything with Brownie at Mario Bike, just waiting for her to resume work after the holidays, can’t wait to try this bike. 😀
Brian D Howard yep i told her. I was first looking for a mid but she convinced me to get a hub. Since it’s my first ebike. I prefer to take the most reliable solution before going into a mid. How is it going with your luna ? Did you mount the mid already ?
I’ve been looking at the Mario bike, can you give any info on ordering from Alibaba or getting it shipped from China? What was the process and additional fees involved? Thanks for any info
You lost me when you said ypu are getting a BBSHD 1000W motor then right after that you said you are getting a 2500W mid drive motor. Please explain are they the same motor or you are trying 2 diffrent motors.
@@briandhoward6137 thanks always for your quick responses. I have held off on getting the Mario Ebike as I saw you had some issues with it. Did you ever get them straighten out and what was the end result for your top speed with the updated controllers? That being said, I will probably still buy 2 of Mario bikes, if I can get something simply done up to it like you are doing that I can get maybe a 40 MPH top speed throttle only on full charge and 35 MPH on a 1/2 charge. I guess I will give Luna a call to to see if they help me with my goals also. Thanks for you great videos.
@@andreasmikoleiczik6120 controller issues solved, top speed is 35mph on a full battery. Luna is awesome, I suggest you get a cyclone mid drive for the speed you are after, and run a 72v battery..
@@andreasmikoleiczik6120 I have this exact bike and the controller issues are most definitely resolved. I've put around 400 miles on mine so far and haven't had any issues at all. My top speed (throttle only) is around 35-38mph on a full to 70% charge.
Thanks for checking out my video just to let you know you do got to cut the kickstand down a little bit so the bike doesn't sit up super high when you're deployed but here's the link for it. www.amazon.com/Ventura-Double-Leg-Kickstand-29/dp/B01MQD6E9B
I was on Alibaba.com and I found a 2019 Mario bike with a BBSHD 48V 1000W Bafang mid drive motor. Looks like it maybe the way to go over the mac hub drive Mario bike.
It has both options as of now, but I believe the Mac is on its way out.. they decided to do this build based off my input and my build. It's definitely the way to go
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Awesome video brother
Happy I have my mario
It's been a great ride and experience into ebikes for me
Thank man.. Yep I love my Mario, the super 73 has been a great bike also, I just prefer the Mario..
Howdy, nice video. In November I ordered a Mario ebike with a BHSSHD mid drive with Gates belt and 5 speed IGH. The bike shipped in December, its stuck on a ship. I hope it arrives ok. Any suggestions, I already purchased the the Luna steel gear to replace the motor internal nylon gear. Have a nice day.
bummer its stuck on a ship, hope they get it to you soon. I also have the gear from luna but have yet to install it as i have never had any trouble. I have over 3000 miles on mine. The IGH hub and belt would be so smooth, i have thought about getting one. Well thanks for watching and dropping a comment .
Great Video! I was wondering if you were working on a comparison between the two. Glad to hear they got your bike working too. Excited to see the upgrade. Have a good one bro!
This is as close as I'll get for now, that it's winter early. Bit the Mario wins hands down.
That's weird, I have a S73 OG and it was made in the USA. But they only did that for the older Kickstarter models I guess. Still runs great!
Yep, after that first run they started outsourcing to china , they design them in the US , make and build in China .
Another great video from you Brian - packed full of info and we loved the jump at the end 😎 👍
Thanks guy, I appreciate your input.. haha yeah I should be jumping the Mario but I've done a few..lol
My first thought on seeing the 73 was those cranks are too short and the sproket is a bit smallish. But, back when I rode "20 bikes around; I took the crank off a ten speed and put it on my Diamondback. That time was a broken crank from jumping, and it was just to keep rolling. But I ended up liking the gearing so much I carried it over to later bikes also.
That was a good idea to swap that over . I'm not a fan of the short cranks myself, one example is when you riding around say around 20 mph and hit a hill, you can't pedal to help maintain speed do to the short cranks and small front chain ring, so you loose well over 5mph on a hill easy.. bit we are like different things
Great video! Looking forward to the mid conversation 👍🏼
Thank you.. I can't wait myself
Thanks for the great insight!
I'm soon moving to California for work and might have an everyday commute of 25 miles to and fro.
I'm in my early 20s so style is a priority for me. But I'd also like to save some money if I can. I was really convinced on mid tier 2000ish super73. But that was before I found Mario bikes. Would buying a Mario be a better decision? I wouldn't mind paying a premium for a better product but from the video it seems like the Mario bikes are a better product. What do you think?
I prefer the mario one the super 73 because you can get a mid drive, the super 73 are a hub drive ebike and have a higher fail rate,also if you are going to have hills in your commute is strongly suggest mario over super 73. The mid drive is great on hills, the hub not so much. If you look in my videos I have on of my 1000w mid drive against a 1100w hub motor . The super 73 is a great bike but mario kills it in performance.
Fantastic content! I hope you keep the vids coming! I have a question I'm about to order the bike with rear hub motor but stuck between the Bafang & the MAC at 1000w. What is the difference? Bafang seem to be the most commonly used so I'm thinking of going with that, plus Ive heard some people having problems with the MAC controller? I can't go for the mid drive because I need the bike to look as bike like as possible. Thanks in advance if you are able to help!
thanks you, Go Bafang all the way
my thoughts exactly. I'm thinking to get one with 1000w bafang as it has better water resistance as well and in my country it rains often. Did you get yours after all- how is it?
and a mid drive conversion to my hyper scrambler in the spring, can't wait .....
Hell yes
@@briandhoward6137 Hey, how do you change the crank arms on the 73? I'm trying to change mine, they are to short for me? Thinking about 170 mm arms
I'm loving what you do for us guys
Thank you
Love the video, hope you can do a chainring ring swap to oval chainring and oversized pulley on derailleur on your mario. Subs from the Philippines.
Awesome thanks for the sub I appreciate that . I will not be swapping my chain rings, I have a video coming out of me going to a mid drive motor on my Mario.. Do you own a Mario ??
Not a Mario exactly, but same built as the Ariel Rider dual D classic (difference its rear hub motor only). Just thinking, if there is a significant impact of changing to an oval chainring and oversized pulley on this kind of ebike. Thank you so much for responding.
@@ra1n13rph2 changing your front chainring can help improve top speed in most cases, but your first limit on speed is the display, check to see if it's set to the highest speed setting, if so and you can not gain more speed your controller could be restricting you from reaching more speed. If those to factors are allowing you to reach to speed and you just can not pedal faster , than a larger chainring would help. So start with the display and see if that helps..
Brian D Howard thank you appreciated much. Kudos
Great video. Thank you. Where do you suggest is the best place to buy a Mario? I'm looking at Ali Baba but have never purchased anything from there before
If you are in the USA you can get one through me, is outside the US alibaba works great.
Great video man, thanks so much for this. Seriously, great content.
Thank you, I really appreciate that.. what bike did you decide on?
@@briandhoward6137 I had actually already chose the super73 but may end up returning and go the other route due to performance, comfort and range of the bike for Mario Retro.
I've just pulled the trigger on 1000w mid-drive bbshd mario stay safe my friend
You will love the bike. I have some custom stuff coming up on my mario
Really looking for a Mario ebike to buy :D
They are great bikes
Hi Brian witch of the two is bigger in size
No one talk about the Mac motor bug when the user use the breakes?
I mentioned it in other videos. The Mac motor is absolutely junk
Hi thanks for all the info about the bikes! what do you think about using larger wheels say 24"? I'm concerned that without rear shocks the ride could be bumpy
Never tried 24, but I think there may be clearance issues with going that tall what I suggest to do is maybe run about 15 to 20 lb don't go 25 to 30 if you keep the tire pressure on 15 to 20 lb it seems to help with the bumps quite a bit and also for the super 73 I will be releasing shocks for that bike soon and doing an install video within the next couple weeks
whats the difference between Mac hub motor and mid drive motor(Bafang)?
Reliability, and the option to program it. Also the bafang is way batter on hills and battery efficiency
Can you remove the battery on the mario i e bring in side out of heat, moisture, rain over night instead of leaving it attached in shed.
Yes you can, it comes with a key, you just simply unlock it and slide it off
Does the Mario have the Mac motor or the Bafang? I'm about to order and having a hard time deciding between the less expensive bagang with the li shui controller or the MAC with the ASI controller. Any advice?
Yes get the bafang mid drive 100%
@@briandhoward6137 I was actually talking about the Bafang hub drive. Should I just bite the bullet and go for the mid drive?
@@BrianMikasa absolutely
@@briandhoward6137 ah the rep said they're out of stock. Maybe I'll upgrade down the road.
@@BrianMikasa you can do that, I have a how to video on it. Get the Mac if your going to do a swap later
hey brian thanks for the great insight!. im about to order the mario retro plus with 48V 1000W MAC rear hub motor. you have mentioned about not gettting the MAC, but when i talked to mario customer service they told me they fixed the issues. should i not get the MAC motor?
Get the mid drive
some prices without an enquiry would be nice mario
i have a mario, do you run the headlight off the battery? i havea headlightwith a red connector can"t find anywhere on the loom
Are the wheels and tires wider on the Super 73? They kind of look like it on the video.
The wheels are yes so therefore it stretches the wheels out a little bitwider but not by much it definitely gives it a cooler look but I know super 73 has had a problem with wheels that pinch the tubes do to this
Thanks for the video !, Any recommendations how to get it to Europe ?
Which bike ?
@@briandhoward6137 i would take an advice , something like super 73 with decent price / quality , front suspension at least would help me tho , as for me it's kinda exploring stuff around city
Where did you get the black frame extender for your super 73?
The rack, that come with the bike. We have taken it off as we like the look without it
Nice comparison vid, when you do the BBSHD upgrade to the S73 are you tempted to install an IGH in the rear wheel to give it a few gears ?
Thanks for watching. It's crossed my mind I am still unsure yet .. it would be nice to have gears ..
@@briandhoward6137 I must admit on my BBSHD its sweet just holding the throttle down and going through the gears I do have a gear sensor on the bike but I am tempted towards a IGH :)
@@icedave2004 yes I am tempted to go that route but it all depends on what my wife wants to do with the bike as it is hers I know are super 73 Z we're going to be doing some major upgrades that that bike is definitely way under powered and way too slow
@@briandhoward6137 At least you know that a BBSHD will fit the 73Z if needed :)
@@icedave2004 very true
Hi Brian, whats the front light on the 73? Is that standard or after market?
Standard on the OG bike
You put that new motor on? Seriously considering buying one of these
Video coming soon, you can now but the retro plus from Mario with 1000 watt hub or 1000 mid Drive
Brian D Howard would you recommend the mid drive over the hub?
@@ha5mth absolutely.. better on hills, more efficient on range and in me experience feels more natural if you want to pedal with the motor
what is the price on mario
Would you be able to post your build for the mario bike you ordered? I know you've customized it since but I'd like to know exactly what you ordered before I order mine.
Go to my channel, I did an unboxing.. thank you
@@briandhoward6137 I appreciate it! Thanks for all you do
Brian D Howard I’ve been watching your videos on the Mario and become very interested in purchasing one. The Mario store on alibaba says they can’t ship to Canada, only the States which sucks for me. I’ve been looking at a retailer in BC that supposedly will be shipping units mid-late May. 52V 14AH battery, 750W bafang hub, front suspension, b&w vertical display, LED headlight and brake light, and front/rear fenders. 2400CAD w/tax and free shipping. Good deal? I’m over 6’ so hoping it won’t be too small. Any thoughts would be appreciated man, again thanks for all the great vids!
Would you recommend to order this with 1000w Mac hub motor or to ask for any other motor ? Like mid drive ?
If it where me I'd go mid drive.
@@briandhoward6137 it's just because of controller issues ? Or its just preferred ? It's my first ebike so I'm mostly planning exploring nature around riding back and forth on forest paths. On super 73 forums some says that mid drive can easily snap chain and then you have to push it
Hello Brian, great videos, I’m glad i came across your channel man, I’m going to order a custom retro plus from Mario Bike, i was wondering how confortable or uncomfortable is the seat ? I just watched the Ariel Ride D class video and they came up with a very nice custom seat for their bike. I’m wondering if it’s worth looking for another seat or some custom made for the retro plus.
Awesome thank you.. I love my retro plus, the seat for me is fine and I have over 2000 miles on it now. Others say it's to stiff. I'd wait and get 200-300 miles on it before you decide on a seat swap. If you in the US I can help you with your Mario purchase. Thanks again for watching
Brian D Howard Thanks man, Will do. I’m in France btw but already checked everything with Brownie at Mario Bike, just waiting for her to resume work after the holidays, can’t wait to try this bike. 😀
@@DrMacabre awesome, you will absolutely love it. You go kid drive it hub motor ?? Let Brownie know you found them through me..
Brian D Howard yep i told her. I was first looking for a mid but she convinced me to get a hub. Since it’s my first ebike. I prefer to take the most reliable solution before going into a mid. How is it going with your luna ? Did you mount the mid already ?
@@DrMacabre mid drive is 100x more reliable hands down man hands down
I’ve been looking at the Mario bike, can you give any info on ordering from Alibaba or getting it shipped from China? What was the process and additional fees involved? Thanks for any info
I just had one delivered yesterday. Are you in Europe/USA/Somewhere else?
I’m in the U.S., in Northern California
@@joecampbell3412 I can help you, email me briansupra08@gmail.com
@@glennreviews5171 I'm from Europe, what are the things around please ?
@@gamefoorum what about Europe? Did you order?
Love ❤️ it
My next bike is a mario bike
I love mine
Good info mr,
Thank you sir
You lost me when you said ypu are getting a BBSHD 1000W motor then right after that you said you are getting a 2500W mid drive motor. Please explain are they the same motor or you are trying 2 diffrent motors.
I did mention that I have a controller that will make my BBSHD 2500 , maybe not but that's what it will be at some point. 2500 BBSHD
@@briandhoward6137 thanks always for your quick responses.
I have held off on getting the Mario Ebike as I saw you had some issues with it. Did you ever get them straighten out and what was the end result for your top speed with the updated controllers?
That being said, I will probably still buy 2 of Mario bikes, if I can get something simply done up to it like you are doing that I can get maybe a 40 MPH top speed throttle only on full charge and 35 MPH on a 1/2 charge.
I guess I will give Luna a call to to see if they help me with my goals also.
Thanks for you great videos.
@@andreasmikoleiczik6120 controller issues solved, top speed is 35mph on a full battery. Luna is awesome, I suggest you get a cyclone mid drive for the speed you are after, and run a 72v battery..
@@andreasmikoleiczik6120 I have this exact bike and the controller issues are most definitely resolved. I've put around 400 miles on mine so far and haven't had any issues at all. My top speed (throttle only) is around 35-38mph on a full to 70% charge.
@@SchnoogansMcDuff how long have you had it for?
You didnt mention anything about range and speed of 73
Top speed 28-30mph range 18-20 miles
@@briandhoward6137 what about range of mario? Or charge time of both?
@@samack3 20-25 miles on the Mario , change times the same 3-5 hours
What kickstand is that on the red 73? I need one
Thanks for checking out my video just to let you know you do got to cut the kickstand down a little bit so the bike doesn't sit up super high when you're deployed but here's the link for it.
www.amazon.com/Ventura-Double-Leg-Kickstand-29/dp/B01MQD6E9B
@@briandhoward6137 Thx! Just subscribed to your channel
@@tl8885 rad thank you
@@briandhoward6137 any issues with the kickstand?
@@briandhoward6137 any issues with the kickstand?
I was on Alibaba.com and I found a 2019 Mario bike with a BBSHD 48V 1000W Bafang mid drive motor. Looks like it maybe the way to go over the mac hub drive Mario bike.
It has both options as of now, but I believe the Mac is on its way out.. they decided to do this build based off my input and my build. It's definitely the way to go
Brian D Howard I am about to buy a mario with Mac motor with ASI controller. But I am wondering why a lot of people prefer the mid drive over a hub?
Statements about "where all bikes are made" is incorrect... needs more homework...
All these style bikes are made in china , other than coast cycles. Super 73 is not made in the USA , maybe the first few bikes but that's it