Puyo generally has an advantage, but tetris has no speed limit. This means that at higher levels, it's possible for tetris to just play so fast that the puyo can't put up much of any viable response.
Puyo at advantage at low level. Mid to high level is even. At the highest level Tetris at advantage due to it having more options and room for speed. Cheers, mate.
Shannon Blake Yeah, but they only do combos of 2-4, nothing too huge. They’re playing Puyo as Tetris, with rapid attacks to disrupt the opponent, but Puyo needs a heavy blow to end a match reliably. Dude’s been playing other Puyos forever I think, he plays that way at least. Pretty impressive tho.
@@bartdude82 No he wasn't relying on luck. This is what puyo players do against high lvl tetris players or all clear starts against other puyo players. This is so when the get a massive amount of garbage they pop the trigger put at the top to lead into at most 4-5. TL;DR he wasn't mindlessly playing he knew what he was doing.
I had a long reply but deleted it because this. ruclips.net/video/yUjI6nIseac/видео.html Basically Wumbo sents the same EXACT thing. A B2B tetris and a B2B T-Spin double. Only difference is that Shiro sends a 4-4-4 to clear all but 3 blocks of garbage. Here, we had a chain of 5-4-6, which is clearly not the same level as a 4-4-4. Granted, Shiro did send a 5 link at the end to delete the last 3 blocks and sent 4 lines of garbage to Wumbo. But these two things show how important the puyo count is in your chains to send garbage. Having basic 4-4-4's won't save you from much unless you clear a lot in chaining. If Shiro sent a 4-4-4-4, he might have sent 1-2 less lines of garbage than what he did. puyonexus.com/wiki/Scoring Give this a read, as it's pretty relevant since Puyo uses Tsu in this game.
@@jimothyjimothy1 I'm going to stop you right there. took me 6 months to reliably t-spin when I first started playing tetris. first 10 minutes into practicing puyo and I did a 4chain.
I don't understand the garbage rates between Puyo and Tetris. A Tetris can be nearly fully offset with just a 2-Chain, but there is no possible way to offset a 25-combo with even the biggest of chains. It makes no sense at all. It also seems that when playing Tetris against a CPU, they have more firepower than you do. For example, a Tetris barely deters their progress, plus, the garbage just goes under all the Tetriminos, whereas in Puyo Puyo, the garbage covers the Puyos, meaning that the chain you were building is most likely entirely buried. Also, both Puyo Puyo and Tetris allow the player to move the Puyo/Tetrimino instantly to the ghost piece. This is called a Quick Drop for Puyo Puyo, and a Hard Drop for Tetris. However, Quick Drop is turned off by default for Puyo Puyo except for Tiny Puyo, Fusion, and Party. Using a Quick Drop doesn't give you points, where a Hard Drop does. This doesn't seem very important, except for the fact that Party mode is all about gaining points. The Quick Drop isn't even instant. There's a slight pause after using one, and another pause if a Puyo drops off of another one, where in Tetris, after using a Hard Drop, the next Tetrimino is instantly obtainable, unless lines are scored. So I'll say that while Sega tried to make Puyo Puyo and Tetris equal, they are far from equal. Yeah, PPT is a great game, but there are just way too many flaws in it.
Wumbo have you thought of vsing shirobrawl? Btw I'm sure many have said this but ur relentless with ur B2b triple double t spins and tetrises, it's actually scary
Jin really? Who is this friend?... personally I think Shiro is amazing so like I don't doubt his skills. That's why I thought it would be awesome to have both of them play. To me I think Shiro is one of the best puyo players
Here's an example from a stream... There are many many more vs shiro games in my streams but someone timestamped this one- ruclips.net/video/yUjI6nIseac/видео.htmlh35m30s
Wumbotize thank you soo much!!! :) I watched it straight away and damn it was a neck and neck match! 1 win for wumbo and one for Shiro. Like holy u had a couple misdrops(or so it seemed to me) but u came back like a bloody God, and like I know it's rare for u to have long single matches but dang does that show how good Shiro is at puyo. And again... from watching that highlight I can only remember how much of a God u are at tetris and just how good Shiro is at puyo. U guys r crazy lol
Ignored =/= hated. I didn’t even know what Puyo was until this game and I’ve been playing Tetris for a decade at least. I imagine it’s similar for most people who got this
T-Spin doubles can be set up faster than a Tetris, and send just as much garbage to the opponent. Thus one who can consistently lauch T-Spins will be able to do damage more efficiently.
Is it worth doing the tspins over tetrises because with a Tetris you can hard drop it and tspins require soft drops which take a significant amount more time.
T Spins and Tetris send the same amount of garbage, but T Spins are easier to set up. The soft drop is just a price to pay for a quick way to end the game
@@ABC-ju7it **OR** -People who think the "Tetris is at a slight disadvantage" is actually true and set-in-stone simply because IGN's review mentioned it.
Maybe they could make it so that the garbage that puyo recives, doesn't stop the puyo player from moving, so that they can defend faster (aka. Make tetris garbage hard drop)
If they did that then they would prolly have to remove the x2 strength puyo has but that does sound like a nice idea to deal with Tetris. I guess a game like puyo just wasn't made to deal with Tetris.
CowboyJoseph64 Won't that make it unfair for the tetris side now? Getting hit hard enough with trash lines will make it harder to recover and in the time you manage to clear most of it, the puyo side has a 6-7 chain waiting for you.
To me someone who hasn’t played the game it looks like puyo puyo normally loses to Tetris but please tell me if he’s just that good or Tetris really wins
puyo wins against tetris until you get to high level play, once you do tetris > puyo so basically become really good at tetris then tear up the leaderboards
![[Puyo Puyo Tetris] No 4-wides](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/afPkAeBj-Vw/mqdefault.jpg)
Wumbo starter pack:
• Tetris
• T-spin
• Schezo
• Beating almost everyone
@@tyler_3183 Cool
You forgot 4-wide
@@frenzzyleggs Yeah
Take out the "almost"
@@Me41687 Sure
"What happened?" Good question.
Question; which one is truly more at a slight disadvantage. I don't know I've never really seen.. like.. which one is at the advantage.
Tetris is; in an evenly skilled matchup the Puyo player tends to win
According to Amemiya, Puyo is advantageous at low to mid level play, but Tetris is slightly advantageous at a high level.
Puyo generally has an advantage, but tetris has no speed limit. This means that at higher levels, it's possible for tetris to just play so fast that the puyo can't put up much of any viable response.
Notice me senpai
Puyo at advantage at low level.
Mid to high level is even.
At the highest level Tetris at advantage due to it having more options and room for speed.
Cheers, mate.
Bro. That Witch was a seeeriously good puyo player. I just didn't notice it at first cuz I was so focursed on Wumbo lol
Shannon Blake Yeah, but they only do combos of 2-4, nothing too huge. They’re playing Puyo as Tetris, with rapid attacks to disrupt the opponent, but Puyo needs a heavy blow to end a match reliably. Dude’s been playing other Puyos forever I think, he plays that way at least.
Pretty impressive tho.
That Witch was not good. He was just stacking his right side full of puyo, hoping for the best. He made a lot of careless mistakes.
@@bartdude82 No he wasn't relying on luck. This is what puyo players do against high lvl tetris players or all clear starts against other puyo players. This is so when the get a massive amount of garbage they pop the trigger put at the top to lead into at most 4-5. TL;DR he wasn't mindlessly playing he knew what he was doing.
@@CandeadMaple true
Dang first a Tetris, then a b2b Tetris, then a b2b T-Spin. You are truly a powerful fighter
This man could open a lock using the wrong key and a t-spin
I don't see anything wrong here.
S2LSOFTENER yes
IGN said the tetris player is at a slight disadvantage
Hi S2LSOFTENER! I didn't expect to see you here!
2:00
A b2b T-Spin and a b2b Tetris
*Countered with a 3-chain*
wow
EvEnLY MAtcHeD
I had a long reply but deleted it because this. ruclips.net/video/yUjI6nIseac/видео.html
Basically Wumbo sents the same EXACT thing. A B2B tetris and a B2B T-Spin double. Only difference is that Shiro sends a 4-4-4 to clear all but 3 blocks of garbage. Here, we had a chain of 5-4-6, which is clearly not the same level as a 4-4-4. Granted, Shiro did send a 5 link at the end to delete the last 3 blocks and sent 4 lines of garbage to Wumbo. But these two things show how important the puyo count is in your chains to send garbage. Having basic 4-4-4's won't save you from much unless you clear a lot in chaining. If Shiro sent a 4-4-4-4, he might have sent 1-2 less lines of garbage than what he did.
puyonexus.com/wiki/Scoring Give this a read, as it's pretty relevant since Puyo uses Tsu in this game.
Back to back t spin to Tetris is around the same level of difficulty as a 3 chain so makes sense imo
@@jimothyjimothy1 I'm going to stop you right there. took me 6 months to reliably t-spin when I first started playing tetris. first 10 minutes into practicing puyo and I did a 4chain.
@@Pineapple-hx9ty do you have a learning disability or smth cuz it's not really that hard
I don't understand the garbage rates between Puyo and Tetris. A Tetris can be nearly fully offset with just a 2-Chain, but there is no possible way to offset a 25-combo with even the biggest of chains. It makes no sense at all. It also seems that when playing Tetris against a CPU, they have more firepower than you do. For example, a Tetris barely deters their progress, plus, the garbage just goes under all the Tetriminos, whereas in Puyo Puyo, the garbage covers the Puyos, meaning that the chain you were building is most likely entirely buried. Also, both Puyo Puyo and Tetris allow the player to move the Puyo/Tetrimino instantly to the ghost piece. This is called a Quick Drop for Puyo Puyo, and a Hard Drop for Tetris. However, Quick Drop is turned off by default for Puyo Puyo except for Tiny Puyo, Fusion, and Party. Using a Quick Drop doesn't give you points, where a Hard Drop does. This doesn't seem very important, except for the fact that Party mode is all about gaining points. The Quick Drop isn't even instant. There's a slight pause after using one, and another pause if a Puyo drops off of another one, where in Tetris, after using a Hard Drop, the next Tetrimino is instantly obtainable, unless lines are scored. So I'll say that while Sega tried to make Puyo Puyo and Tetris equal, they are far from equal. Yeah, PPT is a great game, but there are just way too many flaws in it.
I guess witch is paralyzed from those shockwaves
Oh god wumbo is meming now, what is happening to humanity
where does the slight disadvantage meme come from anyways
Joey IGN said it in their ppt review
Why is it a meme? It's a review and it is true.
@@Linjago30 It's not though
@@Kyara7 Puyos are more powerful than tetris. I saw saw a perfect clewr blocked by a 5-chain before.
I just realized I might one day run into wumbo and be utterly erased.
"how many t-spins are you going to do?"
wumbo: *"yes"*
0:58 yah
YEET
XD
no
This scares the shit out of me as a puyo player
This scares the shit out of me as a tetris player
@@Tunic_ lol
I’m loving the new thumbnails
*-What happened?*
*-the day is mine!!*
"What happened?"
You just got *_Wumboed,_* my friend.
2:29 - 2:42
Puyo player: _Is that all you got?_
Wumbo: *proceeds to insta-tetris*
I refuse to believe this man is human
some day Wumbo is going to burn Back to Back to his screen
C'mon man, that first round was really unforgivable! Nice.
Simply epic video there buddy. Nice stuff, keep it up! :)
Holy shit; you played that last match like your life depended on that.
Nobody:
Wumbo: IS THAT A T SPIN I SENCE?!?!?
Wumbo, can we see you do a match with Puyo Minos?
There's a reason nobody uses that. Don't use that. For the love of god, don't.
Just do add a lil bit more challenge
Puyo: *does one combo*
Tetris: *FuNnY cOlOuR gO BRRRRRRRR*
I still wonder what would happened if hard drop was availabe for puyo
Well it is? Idk why people never use it, but I'm pretty sure there is a function to activate it
@@agu9302 Not online or competitively.
@@CandeadMaple damn, why not?
@@agu9302 I really don't know. Online its up to Sega and in comp tournaments they mainly play swap as a middle ground.
@@CandeadMaple well anyway, that weird but it must have a reason. Thanks for answering me btw!
I didn't notice this was a Wumbo video until 500 T-spins appeared out nowhere
What if the day was... and quote me on this,
yours?
This video was a ride from beginning to end god damn
Seeing Wumbo lose a round is like when the OP main character loses for character development
Wumbo have you thought of vsing shirobrawl? Btw I'm sure many have said this but ur relentless with ur B2b triple double t spins and tetrises, it's actually scary
Please spare Shiro's life, a friend of his has admitted they both can't stand against top level Tetris
Jin really? Who is this friend?... personally I think Shiro is amazing so like I don't doubt his skills. That's why I thought it would be awesome to have both of them play. To me I think Shiro is one of the best puyo players
Here's an example from a stream... There are many many more vs shiro games in my streams but someone timestamped this one- ruclips.net/video/yUjI6nIseac/видео.htmlh35m30s
Wumbotize thank you soo much!!! :) I watched it straight away and damn it was a neck and neck match! 1 win for wumbo and one for Shiro. Like holy u had a couple misdrops(or so it seemed to me) but u came back like a bloody God, and like I know it's rare for u to have long single matches but dang does that show how good Shiro is at puyo. And again... from watching that highlight I can only remember how much of a God u are at tetris and just how good Shiro is at puyo. U guys r crazy lol
Jin please watch the highlight! Totally worth it. Shiro can totally go against wumbo. They're both gods at their respective games!
Have you tried DT cannon --> 2-wide? I actually got this idea when I was playing Tetris Party Deluxe.
and people argue the TvP matchup is balanced
"The tettris player has a slight disadvantage "
As if puyo wasn't hated enough in the West already :(
Well puyo wasn't "hated"
@@CandeadMaple It kinda was. It's finally starting to get better recognition though luckily.
Ignored =/= hated. I didn’t even know what Puyo was until this game and I’ve been playing Tetris for a decade at least. I imagine it’s similar for most people who got this
So, this is pretty much the video game equivalent of the International Race of Champions. X_x;
5:18 Big brain reboot sequence
6:53 Wait... where is Robin’s book of T O M E S?
Do you do the t-spins to just flex on people? They dont really seem that strong but then again I haven’t played this game myself
Nope tspins clear only 2 lines but is the same in terms of attack as a tetris. fitting more of them in means a higher apm
T-Spin doubles can be set up faster than a Tetris, and send just as much garbage to the opponent.
Thus one who can consistently lauch T-Spins will be able to do damage more efficiently.
Against high level Puyo, harassment with T spins is a good tactic to prevent them from getting a big chain.
wonder why u didnt build dt cannon at 3:45
It’s crazy hearing them in English and they’re still saying the same spells.
“sLiGhT DiSaDvAnTage” 🤣
In Puyo, your only way of winning is a nepalm clear which is when you pop a LARGE section of Puyos at once.
*W H A T H A P P E N E D*
Is it worth doing the tspins over tetrises because with a Tetris you can hard drop it and tspins require soft drops which take a significant amount more time.
T Spins and Tetris send the same amount of garbage, but T Spins are easier to set up. The soft drop is just a price to pay for a quick way to end the game
@@someone2427 T-spins seem a lot harder to set up than a Tetris...
Why the dislikes, though?
Grozdor HNNW probably from the Japanese players
Either
-Japanese Players
-Plain Old Haters
*OR*
-People who suck
@@ABC-ju7it
**OR**
-People who think the "Tetris is at a slight disadvantage" is actually true and set-in-stone simply because IGN's review mentioned it.
w h a t h a p p e n e d ?
If it's possible to align Tetrises that fast... how much is the viability of a TSD-Tris-Tris 2 Combo?
It deals 15 lines of damage, after all
this is bullying
are you into sexual asphyxiation?
the singular puyo* was gasping for air
*Slightly advantagen't*
We need to see wumbo vs momo ken!
Never challenge a Tetris.
If you win with combo?
I love how Wumbo didn’t care about downstacking game 1 I’d set 2
Me who has owned the game for 2 years now: What the hecc is a pUyO??? LOL
1: 12 it bothers me that that isn't turned into a four wide.
S H O C K W A V E
*T E T R I S*
2:28 what did the witch say if she wins
"Pfff, that all you got?"
I wonder how sweaty Wumbo is in real life
schezo: a
witch: e
How to fix this stuff... Make it so that both are weaker this way tetris can clear good and puyo chains don't get messed up as much (perfect)
Happy feet wumbo combo
"What happened?"
Yeah no shit
ONLINE NINTENDO FOR 2 YEARS BABY
As this video clearly shows puyo puyo is too OP.
Clearly.
He still ended up winning anyways....
Nerf wumbo pls
The imbalance could so easily be fixed by giving puyo a hard drop when going against tetris players
Puyo puyo becomes incredibly overpowered with hard drops. Wumbo just makes it look very imbalanced
Maybe they could make it so that the garbage that puyo recives, doesn't stop the puyo player from moving, so that they can defend faster (aka. Make tetris garbage hard drop)
If they did that then they would prolly have to remove the x2 strength puyo has but that does sound like a nice idea to deal with Tetris. I guess a game like puyo just wasn't made to deal with Tetris.
one way they could've fixed the imbalance was just making it so that garbage line clears didn't give you any attack power.
CowboyJoseph64 Won't that make it unfair for the tetris side now? Getting hit hard enough with trash lines will make it harder to recover and in the time you manage to clear most of it, the puyo side has a 6-7 chain waiting for you.
Imagine if puyo has insta-drop like tetris...
M E E P !
0:23 when school starts
0:30 When its over
word on the street is you liked *garbage*
imagine a 109k v. 13k round going to the 13k player
Slight disadvantage but backwards.
To me someone who hasn’t played the game it looks like puyo puyo normally loses to Tetris but please tell me if he’s just that good or Tetris really wins
Z3phr SKIPH He’s damn good.
Thanks
puyo wins against tetris until you get to high level play, once you do tetris > puyo
so basically become really good at tetris then tear up the leaderboards
You know i still prefer to play as puyo player even if i struggle against the tetris player
You're cool.
*W A P O W !*
the grid for puyo is too small in the first place
How the HELL does he move that fast on the switch?!? (Assuming that’s what “Switch” means)
Yes that's what it means this is on the switch... A lot of practice and 2 step finesse harddrop.com/wiki/0G_60_Hz_SRS_Movement_Finesse
I play on a switch as well so I strive to be a lot like u!
rip japanese dude
S H O C K ❗W A V E
i literally cannot hear anything
GOD DAMN.😨
7.8 too much t-spins
this guy can t-spin
shockwave
Wumbo is starting to become a religion
스탈린이 누구에요?
Oh yea
E E K
So who has the slight disadvantage again?
Just tossing this out I KNOW THE MEME!
시간이 정지가 되지를않나 돌리지를 않나 과거 미래로 공간을 휘게하지를않나 공간이고 시간이고 다 미쳤네
You can't just beat an asian. That's not how gaming works
this is so unbalanced
And at low levels, Puyo Puyo is totally at an advantage, the game is unbalanced either way...
Chess Player true
Is it just me or when he tspins do u hear suck eggs
You bullying an Asian by their own game, I dunno how to feel about this.
100k points vs 10k points. 10k wins.
Whyyyyy does Puyo just ignore attacks so easily.
俺このwumboって人とスイッチで当たったわそれで三回やって一回勝ったわ(多分まだなれてなかったんだと思うけど)
여러분 제 아빠엄마가 누구에요?