CS-80 Under the Hood w/ Super Tech Rob Rosen-Clip

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  • @Multi_ToBi
    @Multi_ToBi 10 месяцев назад +6

    Dear Anthony,
    I remember going to my favorite music store in Stuttgart when I was 17 and seeing the CS 80 literally fenced in so nobody but the staff could even touch it, let alone play it. It was on display like the altar in my church. When I asked the sales person how much this synth cost I just got a very snobby laugh and no answer.
    I only found out many years later that that was the synth that my (our) beloved Vangelis used.
    Today I'm 64 and I haven't seen one since and I would give a lot to get behind that fence...
    Ah, to still have dreams..!
    Thank you so much for letting me have a peek into the inside of the Eighth Wonder of the analog synthesizer world!
    And I am in awe of Rob Rosen. I love how he talks about the specifics of the CS. I can feel his admiration and respect for the ingenuity and craftsmanship that made this marvelous synth possible. Big thanks to Rob!
    As always a pleasure,
    Thomas

  • @hammondeggsmusic
    @hammondeggsmusic Год назад +30

    What an unmistakeable sound even when it’s not soaked in blade runner-esque reverb.

  • @SteveOuimette
    @SteveOuimette Год назад +28

    Can you even imagine designing, let alone building one of these? How insane is that?! And incredible. Thank you for this excellent video, Anthony.

  • @keepitreal811
    @keepitreal811 Год назад +19

    Rob has already reached legend status - appreciate his work and presence!

  • @thomas_xsg
    @thomas_xsg День назад

    All that knowledge and experience that Rob is sharing is amazing! And then Anthony making a remark about the color of the capacitors and how they look like a city cracks me up. Love the dynamic between them ❤

  • @Heavy_Distortion
    @Heavy_Distortion Год назад +15

    We love you Rob Rosen! We need more service techs of his caliber.

  • @robinwindsrygg9568
    @robinwindsrygg9568 Год назад +12

    Every part of that synthesizer is decades past it's intended lifespan. To actually see and hear this instrument today is just mesmerizing. Imagine the costs of keeping one in service today.

    • @muzykjakub
      @muzykjakub Год назад +1

      it's the same like coffee express. you should make coffee regularly, and if some part dies, you should replace old part with a new one

    • @musiqsoundsproductions
      @musiqsoundsproductions 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@muzykjakubthe big difference is you cat replace some of the most important parts.

  • @samsonwoods5448
    @samsonwoods5448 Год назад +18

    Rob is a "GIFTED & TALENTED SYNTHESIZER TECH, BEING SELF TAUGHT AT THAT, WITH NO EGO!!!!!!!

  • @LFOVCF
    @LFOVCF 11 месяцев назад +4

    Im blown away with the complexity of the construction, but Rob's knowledge of it.
    Brilliant video guys!

  • @Genshi
    @Genshi Год назад +7

    In a strange twist of fate, I had in my possession a brand new Yamaha CS-80 for 3 months when I was 14 years old back in 1978 (it's a long story of how that happened.) It was the second synth I had ever played, the first being a brand new ARP Odyssey MK III a few months before that. Night and day difference between both synths, but I loved them both, and it's how I learned to program synths. Wish I could have kept that CS-80 though...

  • @CallousCoder
    @CallousCoder Год назад +3

    That machine alway gives me an immediate Vangelis association. It was so prevalent in his films scores that for me the CS80 is Vangelis. There’s this one little scene where he sits with Ridley Scott composing for 1492 Conquest or Paradise I believe it was and Ridley explains kind of awkwardly what he wants. Vangelis sits behind his keyboard and starts playing. And you see Ridley’s eyes light up and Vangelis says: “something like that?!”
    -“That’s it!”
    “Well now the only question is how to do that?” Vangelis says z
    And Ridley says: “I believe you just did it!”
    And o frankly had no idea what Ridley was on about but great composers like Vangelis and Anthony, Zimmer and JunkieXL (Holkenborg, I know him as a gigging musician in the 90s here in NL, when often we played the same festivals or venues) they have this weird telepathic connection with the director as to what they want. I do miss playing live but I don’t miss the hauling of equipment and the travel and the rehearsal and they stinky toilets on festivals and the mud 😂😂😂

  • @deantiquisetnovis
    @deantiquisetnovis Год назад +5

    This is probably the most comprehensive synth video I have seen! Excellent stuff!!!

  • @19speedster56
    @19speedster56 Год назад +11

    Rob is obviously a brilliant person! Great show guys.

  • @galaxiesmerge_original
    @galaxiesmerge_original Год назад +4

    Nice episode! I just saw this. Rob is working on my CS80. I’m looking forward to playing it again 😊

  • @cerahjoselet7423
    @cerahjoselet7423 Год назад +1

    i've been obsessed with these machines since 2007 and WHAT A COOL LOOK AT THIS BEAST!!! i cant wait to binge the other videos like this!!!! Rosen-Clip is the MAN!!!

  • @Nigel4ADayLike
    @Nigel4ADayLike 14 дней назад

    One of the best and most thorough synth run downs i’ve ever watched. I really appreciate the questions you asked, because whenever I hear about something like aftertouch and it’s explained, my brain usually goes “…yeah but like, how does it REALLY do that?” You made the video accessible and fun for a person like me who only has a rudimentary understanding of synthesis, and little to no understanding of the analogue electrical components involved. Also your description of the way the boards looked like forests and oil refineries was so whimsical and made me happy, you are very artist-brained and the world is better for it. Thank you for making and sharing this!!

  • @edgardvera3132
    @edgardvera3132 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love vintage synths and have too many of them but I had to go into the modular “rabbit hole” to really understand the building blocks of the whole thing.
    Now I can understand better when two masters have a chat like this.
    This is like a fantastic college lecture.
    Thank you professors.

  • @drsamurai009
    @drsamurai009 Год назад +1

    Holy Cow!!!! The guts of the CS-80 are insane! The depth of the inside matches the depth of the sound it puts out for sure!!! Thanks for this overview. Synth nerd heaven!

  • @OtherMike5000
    @OtherMike5000 Год назад +2

    Anthony, you're SO humble!! 🤗

  • @tschak909
    @tschak909 Год назад +1

    the discussion at 14:29 - You can indeed do digital logic, without a computer. e.g. Atari Pong does not have a microprocessor, and instead does every aspect with some sort of counter, buffer, or gate. This is what we used to call "random" or discrete logic. The CS80 is doing the same thing here, although thankfully the control voltage sampling, output, and voice signalling are being done with what are called ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits). ASICs are _VERY_ expensive to make, as they require an entire process of logic design, and layout onto silicon, a process that, for a nominal yield of say, 100,000 ICs would have cost something close to $500,000 in 1976. This is why custom logic design is only done when you're going to either be making a whole lot of a given device, OR you have no other choice, that is, the equivalent design using 7400 (TTL) or 4000 series (CMOS) logic would have taken up far too much board space.

  • @simonrussell77
    @simonrussell77 Год назад +1

    Such a treat listening to you two cats chatting. Amazing stuff!

  • @galaxiesmerge_original
    @galaxiesmerge_original 7 месяцев назад

    I’m so looking to get my CS80 back after Rob completes his absolutely amazing work on it.

  • @glenwith1en
    @glenwith1en Год назад +2

    Rob’s knowledge and experience is priceless and the way he explains the magic and complexity of this beast is something I could listen to all day
    Thank you so much for sharing

  • @786itube
    @786itube Год назад +1

    Excellent teardown of this wonderful icon - which still sounds so good. Most informative. Thank you

  • @CommunityGuidelines
    @CommunityGuidelines 10 месяцев назад

    What a fascinating video. The complexity of this instrument is a testament to human ingenuity. Like when craftsmen of old would spend years designing a majestic pipe organ for a cathedral, forging all the parts from wood, metal, ivory, and leather, by hand, without electricity. It's the same spirit of creativity to make something wonderful that elevates the human soul.

  • @rbus
    @rbus 6 месяцев назад

    This video made me pick up Cherry GX-80 and already very very happy with the couple of synthwavey-bladerunner-esque tracks I've made. Can't wait to get super deep into modulations.

  • @StevieG777
    @StevieG777 4 месяца назад

    Boy, what a beautifully nerdy interview! I finally subscribed after watching this. You did a terrific job asking all the ‘ignorant’ questions that were popping in my head. Thoroughly enjoyed this!

  • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
    @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Год назад +2

    Thank you. My dad made boxes like this. Takes me back.

    • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
      @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Год назад

      I would love to hear about these dedicated yamaha circuits that put the CS80 on the map.
      A italian organ of the time had even more wires than this. These japanese master piece chips is what set the CS80 apart.
      Then there is the intuitive interface of knobs, sliders and buttons. Something slowly returning to new synthesizers.
      I would love a sequal to this dedicated to the chips involved.
      As he explained. More and more of these chip design are remanufactured. All those wires can be replaced by circuitboards.

  • @SYNDRONE
    @SYNDRONE Год назад

    Whenever I see the CS-80's inside, it's impressive and intimidating but I still always feel like MacGyver put it together and I'm impressed this thing actually works. :D

  • @farmboypresents9977
    @farmboypresents9977 Год назад +1

    Great vid about a great synth. Thanks. I wish Robs shop was just down my road.

  • @rot_studios
    @rot_studios 6 месяцев назад

    I've serviced and restored electronic organs before, which are often insanely complex inside, but the CS-80 still takes the cake in terms of complexity. I don't envy owning one of these and having to re-tune and service it so often haha

  • @grooveduststudio
    @grooveduststudio Год назад +1

    wow to see the inside of the CS is crazy and to learn the knowledge that went into it. Great video.

  • @lms7433
    @lms7433 Год назад +1

    This channel continues to produce amazing content that is truly invaluable. Thank you very much guys!!

  • @michaelorange2500
    @michaelorange2500 6 месяцев назад

    I was reminded as I watched and listened that sometimes with these older instruments, limiting our thoughts to analog versus digital gets in the way of including some of the instrument’s reaction to the player’s behavior being merely electrical and sometimes mechanical with no electricity involved at all. And analog did speak a primitive form of binary when it detected ON and OFF states.

  • @slapdash1438
    @slapdash1438 Год назад +3

    Thank you for the amazing content Anthony! One of my favorite channels :)

  • @makers1958
    @makers1958 Год назад +1

    This might be stated elsewhere in the comments, but “CS” stands for “Combo Synthesizer”. This is printed on the covers of the CS series service manuals, anyway…

  • @K-ORA
    @K-ORA Год назад +1

    Amazing! Such a cool video. Its pure electronic wizardry 😅🤘🏽

  • @alphabeets
    @alphabeets Год назад +1

    Incredibly great channel. You’ve outdone yourself, Mr. Marinelli!

  • @flaviobanterla
    @flaviobanterla 8 месяцев назад

    just subscribed to Rob Rosen youtube channel, it's great to discover more about this so loved machine, thanks both for making this video

  • @ALFA8902
    @ALFA8902 10 месяцев назад

    Incredible deep interview

  • @jimbeaux4988
    @jimbeaux4988 Год назад

    I guess they really wanted the functionality, but software control was not ready. So you got this incredible work of electronic art.

  • @globalsquirrel
    @globalsquirrel Год назад

    Simply amazing and such detailed info! Thank you Anthony and Rob for doing this!

  • @Soundpaintmusic
    @Soundpaintmusic Год назад +1

    Pure brilliance and so informative!

  • @funkycochise
    @funkycochise Год назад

    invaluable knowledges exposed in your videos
    Thank you Anthony !
    can't get enough of synth teardown !

  • @JewelzFin
    @JewelzFin 10 месяцев назад

    This was a dope video. It's my first time on your channel... You had me at USC.
    Fight On!

  • @paulwilliams5013
    @paulwilliams5013 Год назад +1

    Fantastic piece!! Thank you.

  • @dmcgwhisper5945
    @dmcgwhisper5945 11 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video. Thanks. I loved this!

  • @dizzysdiamonds
    @dizzysdiamonds Год назад

    What an astounding synth ....in every way ... thanks so much for this amazing insight ....

  • @splaz333
    @splaz333 Год назад

    Anthony, as always great video and great shirts

  • @iixorb
    @iixorb Год назад

    Discovered this channel after seeing Anthony appear on PSN last week 👍. Definitely going to be another place I’ll be watching regularly :-)

  • @rosalindwebb7729
    @rosalindwebb7729 7 месяцев назад

    Wonderful sounds it’s a nice synth thank you for sharing ❤

  • @jimlemons9231
    @jimlemons9231 Год назад +1

    Amazing stuff!! Love the channel and the look inside the "beast" the lovely beast! lol

  • @AudioAtmos
    @AudioAtmos Год назад

    Man what an excellent video. Thank you!👍

  • @albanyrebelion
    @albanyrebelion Год назад

    Wow I'm totally nerding out

  • @arcadestudio
    @arcadestudio Год назад +1

    Fascinating !

  • @jt_via
    @jt_via Год назад

    Wow!! This is super cool!!

  • @Andronicus2007
    @Andronicus2007 Год назад +10

    Wow, thats a lot of spagetti under the hood!

    • @jimbotron70
      @jimbotron70 Год назад +3

      All soldered by hand, one by one.

    • @ET2carbon
      @ET2carbon 4 месяца назад

      Mmmmmmm 😋

  • @jooei2810
    @jooei2810 Год назад

    This is one seriously cool supersynth, thanks!

  • @thecapricornchannel
    @thecapricornchannel Год назад

    Wow, super informative and great sound examples, kudos! 👍

  • @KierDarby
    @KierDarby Год назад

    Priceless insight, thanks to you both

  • @MFitz12
    @MFitz12 Год назад

    Wow, that was really deep.
    When I was in high school in 1986 I answered an ad from a guy who was selling one of those for (wait for it),... $200.00. Yes, that's right, two-hundred dollars and zero cents. Unfortunately someone else got there right before me and snatched it up. Honestly though, I couldn't have done the care and feeding required to keep one of these running for 35+ years.

  • @mhmrules
    @mhmrules Год назад

    I learned a lot today. 😮

  • @4hodmt
    @4hodmt Год назад +1

    23:39 The fundamental principle behind most oscillators is feedback. Just like putting a microphone too close to its speaker, you amplify a signal, delay it slightly, and route the output back to the input. By changing the delay you can tune the feedback frequency. The initial signal that gets the feedback started is just analog noise, and the gain is set high enough that you get full feedback immediately.

  • @Robert44444444
    @Robert44444444 Год назад

    The famous brass synth riff that defines Toto's 'Africa' was done using presets Brass I & Brass II on the CS -80. There's been a lot of confusion on this over the decades now as some people thought it was the Yamaha GS1, others thought it was an Oberheim. I recently watched a video clip where Steve Porcaro himself actually spoke to this and identified the CS-80 as the instrument and which presets were used.

    • @dinorocker8647
      @dinorocker8647 Год назад +1

      I've also heard the haunting Don Airey intro to Mr. Crowley was done on the organ presets for the CS-80.

  • @facundofontela316
    @facundofontela316 Год назад

    gracias por esta clase de material anthony, saludos.

  • @iancain6647
    @iancain6647 Год назад

    This is a crazy cool video

  • @In-SoulProMusic
    @In-SoulProMusic Год назад +1

    Love it guys!

  • @darryldouglas6004
    @darryldouglas6004 Год назад +3

    13:10 Gotta love sticking a finger on a circuit board and hearing static.

  • @Chumbawumba1000
    @Chumbawumba1000 Год назад +1

    So rad ❤

  • @jayadkisson8934
    @jayadkisson8934 Год назад

    THIS WAS AMAZING!! THANK YOU ! ! ! ❤️❤️❤️

  • @blastofffpv
    @blastofffpv Год назад +1

    Simply amazing. One of my favorite digital emulation synths big time. Hopefully one day get to try the real deal. Btw, did it originally come with a screwdriver and a soldering iron? 😅

  • @FredF78
    @FredF78 Год назад

    So the voice board shown at 22:33 implements the filter in an IC chip? I thought the whole synth was from discrete components. Or some parts like counters etc always comes in chips late 70s? Trying to understand if this was the latest and greatest technology for the parts.

    • @RosenSound
      @RosenSound Год назад

      That’s correct. The IG00156 is a filter core used in many Yamaha synths. Each CS-80 M board has 2 of them, one for HPF and one for LPF. Like most chips, it requires many support components to function in its intended way.

  • @paalrammer
    @paalrammer Год назад

    It is extremely impressive that Yamaha decided to make a synth with such complexity. A true flag ship. Thanks for the tour.
    Behringer is working on a clone of this. But now that I see how complex it is, I don't think they will be able pull it off properly. Even if they were to reverse engineer the chips, there is still all the variation caused by the analog circuits in the envelopes, filters, ring mod, heat, calibration, ... that is difficult to reproduce digitally.
    Furthermore, they will never make a keyboard with such long keys. And no long throw sliders for accurate control.
    Time to win the lottery.

  • @patotablet6070
    @patotablet6070 5 месяцев назад

    Buenísimo 👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @Mr_A_Mia
    @Mr_A_Mia Год назад

    thanks or sharing. very very cool.

  • @maxdavis670
    @maxdavis670 Год назад

    Beethoven's 8th symphony , awesome, would love to hear that, it's my favourite symphony 3:10

  • @RogerSartet007
    @RogerSartet007 Год назад +2

    Isn't this also the synth the Blackbyrds used for 'Mysterious vibes'? Been looking for that sound for ages...and I still haven't found what I'm looking for... ;-)
    Love this channel. I've got he Arturia VST version and I prefer your demo's on the real thing to actually reading the manual of the VSTi
    Best regards

  • @FakthorX
    @FakthorX Год назад +1

    Amazing

  • @RogerSartet007
    @RogerSartet007 Год назад +2

    As an electromechanical engineer with some experience in electronics, a question for Rob: Doesn't all this wiring cause a lot of grounding and interference issues when restoring these devices?

    • @RosenSound
      @RosenSound Год назад

      Great question! In fact, you’ll notice this 80 has a bunch of blue zip ties in the rack. This is part of a fix that has to do with shielded wire grounding issues that’s corrected in later 80’s. Indeed they suffer from grounding issues occasionally.

    • @RogerSartet007
      @RogerSartet007 Год назад

      Thank you!@@RosenSound

  • @EvilDragon666
    @EvilDragon666 Год назад

    Freaking amazing!
    I just want to provide a bit more context regarding one statement from the video: binary logic does NOT necessarily mean "digital". Binary logic just means you're only using 0 and 1 to do things. Those things can be analog. Boolean algebra is based on binary logic, and this all existed way before the first digital computer was ever made.

  • @OtherMike5000
    @OtherMike5000 Год назад

    I'd LOVE to show you the inside of a Pinball Machine! 😮

  • @dreamingone615
    @dreamingone615 Год назад

    I loved it when analog/digital convo happened about the cmos logic stuff. Yes, an analog square wave is a high/low, 1/0 digital signal. Even worse, your ears are analog, your brain is digital. What is the ADC?

  • @tony714keene
    @tony714keene Год назад

    The Predecessor is Yamaha GX1. The gx1 looks like an organ

  • @darryldouglas6004
    @darryldouglas6004 Год назад +1

    I’m worried about the weight capacity of that stand it’s sitting on. 😃

  • @ekimako
    @ekimako Год назад

    “ Dave, I don't understand why you're doing this to me.”
    21:12

  • @brandonm8385
    @brandonm8385 Год назад +3

    The fact that a team designed this monstrosity and Yamaha said “yes, this seems like a great product to manufacture” is amazing in itself.

  • @HorrorCue
    @HorrorCue Год назад

    Great video! Rob is one of a kind and his team is just *chefs kiss* 🤌

  • @geluix69
    @geluix69 Год назад

    Vangelis was a big user of this Beast.

  • @pintuvijayan2724
    @pintuvijayan2724 Год назад

    👌👍from God's own country, kerala

  • @orderofelim
    @orderofelim Год назад

    Bless the physicists

  • @asdifasi
    @asdifasi Год назад +1

    cs80 is the g.o.a.t.

  • @sebairsteinmusicexperience4157

    ❤❤❤😮Thanks you, really crazy, it’s like a church analogue they have made. The sad news for the most of us, it’s to know the only cs80 we gone play are plugin 😂. But now we now why 😅

  • @EvilDragon666
    @EvilDragon666 Год назад

    Regarding the oscillaotr. Anthony, don't think about it in terms of harmonics, that's the additive synthesis brain. This is subtractive. It's all about changing voltage in time. So the core of the oscillator produces a straight up sawtooth (by periodically discharging a capacitor or somesuch). This generates a change in the voltage that LOOKS like a sawtooth wave. From here, you can use other circuitry to "physically" reshape that sawtooth to other shapes. You're not adding or removing harmonics as you would on an additive synth. You're literally reshaping the waveform, just like you would add distortion to a guitar signal before hitting the amplifier - put enough gain in and anything becomes a square wave.

  • @tschak909
    @tschak909 Год назад

    it still blows my mind, that even today, when it is ridiculously easy to design a MIDI controller, why POLYPHONIC AFTERTOUCH isn't available by _DEFAULT_?

  • @rayjones-x7l
    @rayjones-x7l Год назад

    WOW 😮

  • @lorencarlin2087
    @lorencarlin2087 Год назад

    Holy mother of Isis! Incredible machine! I got a Yamaha home organ for free and didn't realize the behemoth was very similar to this. I, being a dumbass, recycled it. Wish I'd known. Would have saved, cut it down, modified, and might have made something cool. Kick my own ass. No one has to do it for me. Lol!

  • @KingMJForeverAndEver
    @KingMJForeverAndEver Год назад +2

    🎊🎊🎊

  • @OtherMike5000
    @OtherMike5000 Год назад

    F-BOMB!!! 😳

  • @Wagoo
    @Wagoo Год назад +1

    Aren't you gonna be busy with something at the time of this premiere..? ;)

  • @Foxxorz
    @Foxxorz Год назад

    Looks like Apollo program hardware in there.