I enjoyed your video. Something you might want to try is the way my instructor taught me how to land. He said, "you are working too hard with trim, throttle and yoke. Do this ..." 1900 RPM on the down wind At the numbers, back to 1600. Half mile and ready to turn base. crank in "one wheel" (half a full turn) of down trim. first notch of flaps. Couple of sips of coffee as the airplane drives itself down hill. Second notch of flaps and turn final. If light wind, don't touch a thing - let the airplane drive. If too high or low, adjust in 50 rpm increments. Don't touch the trim. At 400 feet with the runway made, last notch of flaps. Throttle to idle, round out and hold it off the ground until the yoke's in your lap and can't come back any farther.
That does sound like good technique. My personal favorite method is to just pull power and add full flaps when abeam the numbers on downwind. Makes for a nice tight pattern and literally nothing changes between that point and landing. Not really accepted on checkrides though so it’s not the main method I teach.
@@SIMCFI I never used full flaps that high but I did always pull the power before turning base. The idea was that every landing was a practice engine out landing. But - yeah - full flaps at that point would make for a VERY tight pattern and some nervous passengers thinking they are looking straight down. LOL
This was incredibly informative. That was very interesting about the nose gear being connected to the rudder pedals on Piper's. I've read it in the POH but never thought to make sure to neutralize them after touching down on the mains. I'll be extra careful to do that next time!
Comes down to personal preference. I understand the fear/risk but because I was never trained against it, I never changed habits. Some people don't deploy flaps in turns and that's just fine. We deploy flaps in turns with airliners so I'll probably never break habits.
Adding flaps in a turn, not sure if thats recommended :-) Also would you recommend holding the nose until the stall horn sounds or putting it down earlier ?
+Mozoto I think there's two schools of thought regarding a full stall on the runway and "flying it on". As you saw in the video, it is definitely possible to make a smooth landing without the stall horn. I do it all the time in real life. In fact, I would think it's required to fly it on to make a greaser. If you stall the plane on the runway, even at a very very low height, I would think that would be a harder landing than if you flew it on perfectly. And why would adding flaps in a turn be bad? I don't see anything aerodynamically wrong with that. I'm open to having discussions here regarding what I teach. I welcome anyone else to chime in as well :)
And I said at the beginning of the video that there are many ways to configure for landing. What I mean by that is you could be abeam the numbers and just chop throttle and add full flaps right away, or have any combination of power settings and flaps as you descend down. This isn't directly related to the split flap point, but I just wanted that made more clear.
This is the best landing/pattern video for C172 on RUclips! Appreciate you for the very professional and patient video. I would like to get myself trained in my P3D on the same airfield first. May I know the airfield code and your FSX/P3D add-on? Obviously, you're flying A2A C172 and, in another video, you have TrackIR. Your airport scenery looks very good. Is it a special add-on as well? Thank you.
Wotao Yin the airport is KMYV and there isn't a specific scenery just for the airport, but it is enhanced by ORBX Northern California which is a regional scenery.
Your flying is perfect. I have so much trouble in landings because I dont know when to begin the roundout (I usually start the roudout too high), and the landing flare is difficult because of the sensitive elevator control in the A2A C172. Do you have some tips for me? Keep up with the videos, they're the best flight sim videos in RUclips for sure. Thanks.
If you make downwind between 1/2 and 1 mile from airport, you won't rush your base as much and and have to make dangerous steep turns when overshoot final. (You overshot both finals) This also allows shallower turns. Overshooting and steep turns on base to final is a huge area of accidents. Your 45 is more like 30. You are rushing base too much, causing round shaped pattern. I would try to square up more. Good luck. Thanks for videos
I think when flying in the sim, it makes me fly tighter to make it look the same as real life, but the zoom level I think is what makes it off a bit. In real life I fly crosswind and base just long enough to look both ways for traffic and make turns at 30 degrees bank or less. I think I did the pattern better in my new Private Pilot Flight Training playlist.
Thanks for this video ... now, after some triyng, thanks to your references tips, i am (almost) able to make a decent landing !!! Two questions, please ... which zoom level you use in this video ? ... and which is, in your opinion, the zoom level more close to reality, as in real plane ? Thanks !!!
I was using either the .3 or .4 zoom level. .3 being the furthest zoomed out. It's more realistic to be much more zoomed in, like when you hit backspace, but that only works well if you have a super wide monitor or multiple monitors. So I just zoom almost all the way out so that I don't feel like I have blinders on.
awesome video and super stable approach! would you mind if i ask your joystick control settings (sensitivity, null zone or else) and difficulity settings? thanks in advance.
M. Emre KÜÇÜK if you’re setting it up through FSX/P3D directly, your sensitivity should be (and mine is) set to full sensitivity. Null zone is subject to how good your physical controller is from control spikes in the center. My CH fighterstick requires a very tiny null zone of maybe 5 or so for pitch and 2 for roll. I use maybe 10 for the rudder. Realism settings are set to full real/hard.
Waaay too close on the downwind and crosswind legs. Give yourself much more room. It's not about what it looks like on the simulator it's more the number of seconds that you utilize and setting up the turns. You did not have enough room to make the necessary 30 degree turns.
If you add a little more back pressure to hear stall horn and add a little power if necessary during end of flair you will grease your landings. It will quiet the tire screech somewhat and be easier on tires. At least that is how it works in real 172 and in XP Airfoil labs 172s. Could it be a P3D or A2A thing? I am looking closely at P3D and the A2A 172r and particularly the Flight1 GNS 530/430. The 530 features seem much more robust in the P3D world. Great presentation!
I enjoyed your video. Something you might want to try is the way my instructor taught me how to land. He said, "you are working too hard with trim, throttle and yoke. Do this ..." 1900 RPM on the down wind At the numbers, back to 1600. Half mile and ready to turn base. crank in "one wheel" (half a full turn) of down trim. first notch of flaps. Couple of sips of coffee as the airplane drives itself down hill. Second notch of flaps and turn final. If light wind, don't touch a thing - let the airplane drive. If too high or low, adjust in 50 rpm increments. Don't touch the trim. At 400 feet with the runway made, last notch of flaps. Throttle to idle, round out and hold it off the ground until the yoke's in your lap and can't come back any farther.
That does sound like good technique. My personal favorite method is to just pull power and add full flaps when abeam the numbers on downwind. Makes for a nice tight pattern and literally nothing changes between that point and landing. Not really accepted on checkrides though so it’s not the main method I teach.
@@SIMCFI I never used full flaps that high but I did always pull the power before turning base. The idea was that every landing was a practice engine out landing. But - yeah - full flaps at that point would make for a VERY tight pattern and some nervous passengers thinking they are looking straight down. LOL
This was incredibly informative. That was very interesting about the nose gear being connected to the rudder pedals on Piper's. I've read it in the POH but never thought to make sure to neutralize them after touching down on the mains. I'll be extra careful to do that next time!
One of the better videos on this. I'm a little nervous about engaging flaps while in the turn.
Comes down to personal preference. I understand the fear/risk but because I was never trained against it, I never changed habits. Some people don't deploy flaps in turns and that's just fine. We deploy flaps in turns with airliners so I'll probably never break habits.
Thanks I'm learning a lot from your videos. Keep doing what you're doing.
nice tutorial, perfectly explained. Thanks.
Great video - I have been centering the compus on the center of the runway. Now I know why I am not centered.
Excellent video for a beginner like me.
Adding flaps in a turn, not sure if thats recommended :-) Also would you recommend holding the nose until the stall horn sounds or putting it down earlier ?
+Mozoto I think there's two schools of thought regarding a full stall on the runway and "flying it on". As you saw in the video, it is definitely possible to make a smooth landing without the stall horn. I do it all the time in real life. In fact, I would think it's required to fly it on to make a greaser. If you stall the plane on the runway, even at a very very low height, I would think that would be a harder landing than if you flew it on perfectly.
And why would adding flaps in a turn be bad? I don't see anything aerodynamically wrong with that. I'm open to having discussions here regarding what I teach. I welcome anyone else to chime in as well :)
Regarding flaps, from what i gathered, if you encounter a split flap situation during a turn, you might be at a disadvantage when trying to recover.
I have not thought of that, that's a good point. I guess it wouldn't hurt to wait until your wings are level, or just add them before the turn.
And I said at the beginning of the video that there are many ways to configure for landing. What I mean by that is you could be abeam the numbers and just chop throttle and add full flaps right away, or have any combination of power settings and flaps as you descend down. This isn't directly related to the split flap point, but I just wanted that made more clear.
This is the best landing/pattern video for C172 on RUclips! Appreciate you for the very professional and patient video. I would like to get myself trained in my P3D on the same airfield first. May I know the airfield code and your FSX/P3D add-on? Obviously, you're flying A2A C172 and, in another video, you have TrackIR. Your airport scenery looks very good. Is it a special add-on as well? Thank you.
Wotao Yin the airport is KMYV and there isn't a specific scenery just for the airport, but it is enhanced by ORBX Northern California which is a regional scenery.
Thank you!
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Your flying is perfect. I have so much trouble in landings because I dont know when to begin the roundout (I usually start the roudout too high), and the landing flare is difficult because of the sensitive elevator control in the A2A C172. Do you have some tips for me? Keep up with the videos, they're the best flight sim videos in RUclips for sure. Thanks.
If you make downwind between 1/2 and 1 mile from airport, you won't rush your base as much and and have to make dangerous steep turns when overshoot final. (You overshot both finals) This also allows shallower turns. Overshooting and steep turns on base to final is a huge area of accidents. Your 45 is more like 30. You are rushing base too much, causing round shaped pattern. I would try to square up more. Good luck. Thanks for videos
I think when flying in the sim, it makes me fly tighter to make it look the same as real life, but the zoom level I think is what makes it off a bit. In real life I fly crosswind and base just long enough to look both ways for traffic and make turns at 30 degrees bank or less. I think I did the pattern better in my new Private Pilot Flight Training playlist.
Thanks for this video ... now, after some triyng, thanks to your references tips, i am (almost) able to make a decent landing !!!
Two questions, please ... which zoom level you use in this video ? ... and which is, in your opinion, the zoom level more close to reality, as in real plane ?
Thanks !!!
I was using either the .3 or .4 zoom level. .3 being the furthest zoomed out. It's more realistic to be much more zoomed in, like when you hit backspace, but that only works well if you have a super wide monitor or multiple monitors. So I just zoom almost all the way out so that I don't feel like I have blinders on.
Should hear the stall horn if landing properly in 172?
Not necessarily, just as long as the landing is smooth.
awesome video and super stable approach! would you mind if i ask your joystick control settings (sensitivity, null zone or else) and difficulity settings? thanks in advance.
M. Emre KÜÇÜK if you’re setting it up through FSX/P3D directly, your sensitivity should be (and mine is) set to full sensitivity. Null zone is subject to how good your physical controller is from control spikes in the center. My CH fighterstick requires a very tiny null zone of maybe 5 or so for pitch and 2 for roll. I use maybe 10 for the rudder. Realism settings are set to full real/hard.
Excellent !
thanks a lot for all these informations !
about the apparatus of a2asimulations cessna 172.
see you soon.
very good quality your explanatory video.
Waaay too close on the downwind and crosswind legs. Give yourself much more room. It's not about what it looks like on the simulator it's more the number of seconds that you utilize and setting up the turns. You did not have enough room to make the necessary 30 degree turns.
No carb heat??!!
timbrooksify this plane is fuel injected and therefore has no carburetor to be heated. It’s a 172R, the first of the 172 series to be Fuel injected.
If you add a little more back pressure to hear stall horn and add a little power if necessary during end of flair you will grease your landings. It will quiet the tire screech somewhat and be easier on tires. At least that is how it works in real 172 and in XP Airfoil labs 172s. Could it be a P3D or A2A thing? I am looking closely at P3D and the A2A 172r and particularly the Flight1 GNS 530/430. The 530 features seem much more robust in the P3D world. Great presentation!
Yes that would make the landing smoother. Works with the A2A version of course.