Two people of different faiths who understand their faiths have infinitely more in common than either one in relation to the world-at-large, especially today. The difference is the modern and postmodern world with regard to any tradition.
@@LA-kc7ev Yes, once you actually learn about the world, you learn that your own culture is unique and beautiful in its own right and thus deserve space to remain and grow as should other cultures around the world.
RIP. Sir Scruton, a true English scholar that many traditionalists from nearly all religious and ethnic background respect and regarded highly. God have mercy on him.
This is the right format to display Sheikh Hamza Yusuf’s brilliance. Kudos to Safir Ahmed, Imran Malik and the Renovatio team for the great improvement in media content over this last few years.
Amazing. Why doesn’t the mainstream media show this. Everyone in the mainstream wants anarchy in the world. Two great persons in their own right. Philosophy overdosed.
@@autumnicleaf Well the good thing that we're sick in different ways, and that's important because it provides the necessary contrast that will ultimately guide people to the straight/correct path.
The sick man in the east..who does that refer to? They used to call the ottoman empire in its final stages/early secularised stages the sick man of Europe.
Excellent initiative. Have subscribed and hope to see more of these. Much to think about from this conversation; a lot of it very fundamental stuff that we don't make time to ponder over. Thank you
I was saddened, in Turkey by the loss of harmony and beauty in architecture. You contrast modern developments in Ankara with the beauty of Ottoman architecture and wonder, what happened to the v that produced Sinan?
Marginilization due to difference in intellectual opinions and stances is different from that due to inherent elements such as race, culture and/or religion (though one could argue one can change one's own religion).
Venera Sejdiu true, being marginalized for having conservative values in today's universities is not close to being on the same level as marginalization of entire populations for their race or believes. However the point he was making is that if the victim internalizes the hate and marginalization they are their own first enemy. It's already happening in some aspects to Muslim youth in the west who are increasingly internalizing the Islamophobia that they are growing up with and are questioning their values, and traditions.
I'm glad there's a dialogue between Islamic and Christian thought, and I belong to the Muslim world, but I think it's inappropriate to use Arabic terminology in front of a non speaker and non Muslim. It's as if a Christian Catholic priest would continously use canonical Latin terminology. Also, one can say "peace and blessings" instead of using the Arabic term after each time the word the Prophet is used. It doesn't come across as either polite or appropriate.
it's no wonder why the pyramid was measured in cubits and now scientists call the Quantum Computers unit : Cubits... Sticks and STones sound to me pretty much like zeros and ones... As if they would be saying we had given you your chance... Now it's ours... This quantum World Would be a sea where anyone can really get lost in a vast sea of 40 ticks ...
Lol these conservatives have the philosophy of squirrels. One moment they decry the bland architecture that serves its function, and the next moment they decry architects who make their buildings stand out and be memorable.
Alot of conservatives dont understand their position in postmodernity, much like the progressives. Thats why fallacies (like you pointed out) occur. I would consider myself as a traditional muslim, but a traditional muslim in pre-modern times and in postmodernity has a entierly different phenomenological reality. The material world which we live in has changed from smaller structures (of fascist logic) into a superstructure, and within this superstructure exists our differences which causes logical malfunctions (like your example of their contradictions of architecture).
Gosh, one can just say Quran in English and hadith pronounced in English. It's an English conversation. Why this insistence on pronouncing the words in Arabic? It comes across as pathetic to be honest, as if one is trying to prove something or shove something down the man's throat. The word Quran exists in English and is pronounced as spelled in English, and hadith. It actually diverts one's attention from the actual content of what Mr Hamza Yusuf wants to say.
This is how people of different religious faiths should interact with each other..not berating each other.
Two people of different faiths who understand their faiths have infinitely more in common than either one in relation to the world-at-large, especially today. The difference is the modern and postmodern world with regard to any tradition.
@@LA-kc7ev Yes, once you actually learn about the world, you learn that your own culture is unique and beautiful in its own right and thus deserve space to remain and grow as should other cultures around the world.
RIP. Sir Scruton, a true English scholar that many traditionalists from nearly all religious and ethnic background respect and regarded highly. God have mercy on him.
May God have mercy on us all for not taking heed of his eerily accurate foresight.
This is the right format to display Sheikh Hamza Yusuf’s brilliance.
Kudos to Safir Ahmed, Imran Malik and the Renovatio team for the great improvement in media content over this last few years.
Amazing. Why doesn’t the mainstream media show this.
Everyone in the mainstream wants anarchy in the world.
Two great persons in their own right. Philosophy overdosed.
Anarchy is good for ratings.
Sheikh Hamza Yusuf interactive debate teaches us to appreciate and learn from the dichotomy of opinion.
25:30 was an epic moment!
“If the fragrance of Gods remembrance pervades the west, the sick man in the east might get well again”
Jayden Sawtell - There are too many sick men, both in the East and the West. May 'the remembrance' pervade both.
What does that mean?
Jayden Sawtell
Of course
@@autumnicleaf Well the good thing that we're sick in different ways, and that's important because it provides the necessary contrast that will ultimately guide people to the straight/correct path.
The sick man in the east..who does that refer to? They used to call the ottoman empire in its final stages/early secularised stages the sick man of Europe.
Wow!!! Absolutely amazing. Sheikh, every word of yours - a mountain of pearls.
Love this conversation.
Masallah, a great conversation between two great minds
Two great human being, very geniuses God bless you
Here for Scruton.
Truly valuable and very serious talk by these two great scholars. May God bless them for bringing this dialogue.
جزاك لله خيرا...
We need This..
☀
Mashallah beautiful flowing conversation
Absolutely amazing, some very interesting topics were touched upon.
Thank you again for these conversations
Beautiful.
Inviting Jordan Peterson would be cool.
25:31 Damn Hamza was so happy about that.
Excellent initiative. Have subscribed and hope to see more of these. Much to think about from this conversation; a lot of it very fundamental stuff that we don't make time to ponder over. Thank you
Logic/truth grammar/goodness in communication rhetoric/beauty
beautiful talk. Many thanks.
MashAllah
mashaallah
23:00 Milan Kundera Czech-French writer
I was saddened, in Turkey by the loss of harmony and beauty in architecture. You contrast modern developments in Ankara with the beauty of Ottoman architecture and wonder, what happened to the v that produced Sinan?
Marginilization due to difference in intellectual opinions and stances is different from that due to inherent elements such as race, culture and/or religion (though one could argue one can change one's own religion).
Venera Sejdiu true, being marginalized for having conservative values in today's universities is not close to being on the same level as marginalization of entire populations for their race or believes. However the point he was making is that if the victim internalizes the hate and marginalization they are their own first enemy. It's already happening in some aspects to Muslim youth in the west who are increasingly internalizing the Islamophobia that they are growing up with and are questioning their values, and traditions.
Salam. I just wonder if there is a whole version of this discussion. Thank you.
This is the whole version of the discussion. However, they do have another discussion: ruclips.net/video/iawSzFZg-vw/видео.html
Roger Scruton sounds like an urban planner here. He says architecture, but it is a continuum.
I'm glad there's a dialogue between Islamic and Christian thought, and I belong to the Muslim world, but I think it's inappropriate to use Arabic terminology in front of a non speaker and non Muslim. It's as if a Christian Catholic priest would continously use canonical Latin terminology. Also, one can say "peace and blessings" instead of using the Arabic term after each time the word the Prophet is used. It doesn't come across as either polite or appropriate.
He's just used to saying salla Allah alayhi wa salam. It's automatic after you say Muhammad.
Stimulating discussion
Roger Scruton dressed like his hair.
21:26
it's no wonder why the pyramid was measured in cubits and now scientists call the Quantum Computers unit : Cubits...
Sticks and STones sound to me pretty much like zeros and ones...
As if they would be saying we had given you your chance... Now it's ours...
This quantum World Would be a sea where anyone can really get lost in a vast sea of 40 ticks ...
So is it technologies fault that that girls are being aborted or is it the entrenched culture where this is an issue?
Lol these conservatives have the philosophy of squirrels. One moment they decry the bland architecture that serves its function, and the next moment they decry architects who make their buildings stand out and be memorable.
The moment anyone touches their sacred (old, decrepit) landmarks, they whine and complain.
Alot of conservatives dont understand their position in postmodernity, much like the progressives. Thats why fallacies (like you pointed out) occur. I would consider myself as a traditional muslim, but a traditional muslim in pre-modern times and in postmodernity has a entierly different phenomenological reality. The material world which we live in has changed from smaller structures (of fascist logic) into a superstructure, and within this superstructure exists our differences which causes logical malfunctions (like your example of their contradictions of architecture).
Gosh, one can just say Quran in English and hadith pronounced in English. It's an English conversation. Why this insistence on pronouncing the words in Arabic? It comes across as pathetic to be honest, as if one is trying to prove something or shove something down the man's throat. The word Quran exists in English and is pronounced as spelled in English, and hadith. It actually diverts one's attention from the actual content of what Mr Hamza Yusuf wants to say.
Indeed a beautiful and great thinkers we need in this turbulent time!
I have noticed that Muslim interviewers presume to interrupt and pontificate to Scruton. He is extremely polite about it.