Clone of Wago product that Wago don't even sell???
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2019
- This is bizarre, but strangely useful. It's a Wago-style connector, but in a form that I can't immediately find online. As if a company ripping off the Wago design has introduced a completely new product. If it is a new product then it's actually a really good idea.
Perhaps there's an approval issue with the risk of water ingress initiated tracking, although there are clear barriers between adjacent contacts and the spring mechanisms actually move down to create a greater gap when wires are inserted.
As always with clone products with no formal testing, you use them at your own risk. Although these connectors seem well designed, it's just an unfortunate byproduct of society and its many made-up jobs (inspectors of inspectors of inspectors) that if a fire occurred in your home, then even if these were not the cause, there's a risk that some officious clown would use it to void an insurance claim. (Usually because they're employed to void insurance claims.)
It's also worth mentioning that if you use real Wagos you will get predictable results over time without the risk of a clone factory cost-cutting to the point of making dangerous copies.
John Ward tested one of the Wago clones vs the real thing with very high current:-
• Wago 222 Connectors vs...
The discovery (additional bit of video at the end) that these use tinned copper for the electrical connections suggests that they are actually quite usable. Looking at John's video it suggests that the very modular approach of the Chinese design (individual steel springs) versus the original Wago units with a different spring assembly for every multiple of ways may have made this neat variant easy to implement.
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I've told Wago reps several times at trade shows that they need to do a multipole in-line connector as conventional ones are a mess to use - serves them right if someone else does it
I bought some of the two and three wire splicers based off of Clive's first video with them, and my immediate thought upon using them was "why do I need two of these to splice power cables?"
exactly, wago should have done this type of connector in the first place.
@mikeselectricstuff. Did they give a reason why they don't do it?
@@martin_mue as any big corpo, they want max profit with minimal investment. They ain't doing anything. They just profiteering. Most, if not all, companies that are big enough, started as money laundering startups. You think an ex-money-laundering-mafia-startup would *MAKE* something? HAHAHA no.
It's odd how some companies come up with good ideas and then just stop developing them. I've had a similar conversation with a plumbing company that makes push fit fittings. For some reason they don't do 45 degree bends with connectors on both ends. You can bodge something together with two fittings but come on, it's such an obvious product.
now if wago making this, it would looks like wago is the one knocking off the chinese
SandPox But is it really since they are knocking off a knock off of their own product lol
@@therandomman2971 The school of hard knocks.
There is always a bigger fish
@@therandomman2971 there is nothing new under the sun
Chinese have started innovating more and more, remember the rubbish iPhone clones and now you have the Xiaomi and Huawei handsets that are better. probably jumped ahead in R&D by borrowing IP from all the products made there, but they are really pushing ahead in manufacturing and tech
IMO, they should have made the lever in different color pairs to clearly indicate that it is connecting 1a-to-1b, 2a-to-2b, etc.
They now sell a version from prominent UK suppliers that have that.
@@bigclivedotcom did wago clone the chinese product? lol
They now do these in toolstation with Brown, Yellow, Blue levers Rated at 32A so can be used in a ring final circuit/ring main.
www.toolstation.com/in-line-spring-lever-connectors/p45902
There's also a 2-way version with just brown and blue.
I haven't bought them yet, but they will be on my next order.
@@JasGawera Yes.. i notice they are listed as 'unbranded' LOL
@@whatworkedforme I'd be interested to know the origins of them, personally I stick to the Wago brand, I've noticed recently they do make a version of the 221 that has 2 terminals but in-line instead of on the same side. Told my local wholesaler they would likely be quite popular and they should stick some on their next order, as in some instances space/neatness limits you to using a crimp. And despite it being a rather common practice, people now debate whether or not it's okay to crimp solid conductors.
These look absolutely perfect for 12v model railway stuff, nice!
Stop Changing this It's really creepy i was thinking same for my Z scale
I use them for all my DC projects, so handy.
low-profile ones would be handy for car stereos
I used them on all my HO modules when part of a module group. Worked great.
This is such a stupidly obvious good idea that I think everyone, especially me, should be embarrassed that this is the first we're hearing about it
Years ago, I thought WAGO actually did these and never investigated further. Kinda regret that I didn't actually investigate further. :|
Matt Quinn Except the traditional blocks can be securely attached to the cabinet ensuring that cable and maintenance mechanical impact doesn't propagate across.
'Twould be triply nifty if the channels were arranged around a central axis i.e. more compactly, with _much greater isolation between channels. Such an arrangement would make splices more manageable in confined quarters. A narrow waist at the mid-point would serve as a natural tie-point.
@@michaelthibault7930 ? What T connector would be more compact, how.?
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 You can get rail mounted wagos. I daresay if an actual wago in this format came out there would be mounts for it.
Hi Clive.
You have not mentioned the benefits of the WAGO connectors against the screw terminal.
We found that when building control panels that work in high temperature but under a shut down the temperature drops to just above freezing. We found wires in screw terminals to become louse when using stranded wire. with the WAGO terminal, the wire can expand under the spring and contract when it cools down thus keeping the same tension on the wire. this elevates some of the problems with hot spots.
And the spring force is manageable and controlled, while screw can cut through the wire, damage it, or have too tight/too loose a contact.
To use proper screw terminals, the screw would have to have a copper plate under it, and a second copper plate underneath the wire that's spring loaded. To SCREW -> CopperPlate -> WIRE -> CopperPlate -> SPRING, Or if you could, make the screw itself springy. But if you have springs why the fuck are you screwing around with screws? It's all just lost potential.
I was wondering if these might also be more resistant to vibration than screw terminals.
@@markevans2294 Screw terminals absorb all vibration, however, these create a small sawing effect and will cut the wire off eventually. Abrasion is a pain and exist ANYWHERE moving. Screw terminal, no move, unless it works loose with temperature+vibration. So screw is basically a *bit* better. Soooo... They are loosely the same resistance to vib.
In Germany screw terminals are not allowed anymore. Everyone is now using the "Wago clamps". Pretty much a monopole now for doing the usual wire work of a home.
@@TheYear-dm9op I can understand how, since they're more reliable to install and use, require less skill. But that in turn means they're pretty much a government monopoly, so they don't need to innovate or take risks. They just are a monopoly, therefore money, therefore they can raise prices to hell and lower production quality.
"Also makes me impressed with the Wago terminals if they're using the same technique." How did this not prompt him to crack a real one open???
(Also, spoiler alert: yes that’s how they work.)
Yeah that was my first thought, too.
I took it that he was saying "in this specific case". He'd need to have genuine Wago version of the connector to compare the "in series" technique.
He didn't because the "real" ones are too expensive to break xD
The best invention ever. Especially for the fireworks and pyrotechnics industry
Yes, exactly. You don't even need any pyrotechnics, with spacing like that it is just a matter of time until they make their own fireworks.
Big difference between proper Wago ones and these for outside use is that with these multipole jobs, rain/mud (and induced rust/corrosion) might make a big difference creating some conductivity between ways. So, I'll still be sticking to the official Wago types. Great for low voltage or temporary work, though. Being direct from China, they won't be going on mains electricity in my house.
@@jam99 I just ordered one of these knock-off ones for repairing a speaker cable. It's not a very high power signal going through the cable so I think it won't matter
Then is THIS YOUR Wago-Connector. This one can be used in potential explosive areas without being the reason for an explosion... (Ex2-save)
5-pole-connector:
www.wago.com/de/netzanschlussklemmen/4-leiter-geraeteanschlussklemme/p/862-1505_999-950
@@ElektrischInkorrekt 3 phase 440v and 28a rating. Sounds like what every farmer needs
7:48 the limit is spring tension. While the springs are contracted from the lifted lever, the metal strip that connects the wires wants to extend into the bottom wall of the housing, and since the spring force is so powerful the wire can't squeeze between them
When I first saw wago connectors I was amazed by the ease of the use..
Then I released how those work and not as I expected...
This version is the one how it would work at first
MrLooZee yep, same here
@@Kobold666 What's a chandelier clamp?
Having watched this video, I searched Amazon and found "CESFONJER" connectors. These look identical to those in the video. The magic of these , is that they are available as trebles, doubles, but also as SINGLES which can then be clipped together with a beautiful dovetail arrangement in the case, so there could be as many connectors clipped together as you wish.
They were £10 for 24, and having bought some I am well impressed, I am using them for LED tape lights, soldering on to the tracks a short length, and then using these to couple to a short length from the LED driver, also the mains leads. This may sound excessive, but working inverted under kitchen units, these make life so much easier.
Several years back, you did a video on the clone of the first type, and I liked the look of them so much, I ordered in several to play with. That winter we headed South from the Dakota's to Arizona to avoid the cold and snow. While down there, living in our 35 foot Class A Motor Home, the CO2 detector timed out and began beeping every 5 minutes to tell us it needed replacement. Since it was in our bedroom, it sort of forced immediate action. So it was to an RV Repair center I knew about in a nearby city, where I purchased a replacement for a hundred bucks or so, and when I tore off the old unit I discovered that the wire was about 1/2 inch beyond the wall and that was it. So I remembered those little flippy deals, and dug two of them out. The miniatures, it worked wonderful to splice in the new detector, and gave us quite a relief that we were once again protected from the danger of poorly burned propane in our furnace.
I've used WAGO connectors exactly once, for an aquarium light project. First time I'd ever heard of them (they aren't big yet in the US, where most people still prefer twist-on wire nuts). Even then, I wondered why they didn't make this "terminal block" version!
Thanks for the teardown, fascinating to see how the mechanism works as I always wondered why my connectors had a tendency to cut wires that aren't thick enough.
I wish they made ones for low voltage/small wires.
I like the transparent ones. First of all because they're transparent so you can see if all the strands are properly pushed in, and they support higher gauges (2,5mm2 with ferrules), and since they're flat, you can hot-glue them in your project box. Which is especially useful for stuff like speakers and subwoofers, where you don't want wago connectors rattling around.
I'm always annoyed with the official ones that I need three of them in a bouquet-like configuration. This looks like a neat solution, although I'd be even better if it had four clamps per terminal (two on each side instead of one), so I could join multiple conductors like with the original ones.
Clive Penfold That's a useless product page failing to state the basics of that product clearly. There's no data sheet, only a random subset of data points.
How many separate wires does it actually connect and in which mechanical combination (similar to a chip pinout diagram)? Are the wires connected by springs and the block screwed to a box, or the wires mounted by screws and the block pushed into a box? How many times can wires be installed/removed in each hole before buying a new block and starting over? What is the required mechanical, electrical and thermal clearance around the block? What is the correct length of wire to strip (stranded or solid)? What range of isolation thickness is allowed on the wires?
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 There is literally a fucking data sheet generator on the right of the picture, with technical data, connection data, geometrical data ,mechanical data.
Learn to look with your eyes before you spout bullshit.
It wouldn't be the first time if a Western tech company had ordered a batch of prototype-design components from SE Asia only to find them being sold on Ali Express a week later.
I doubt that it was like that. These thing on chinese market for ages and there still no such WAGO product.
@@darausus8315 That doesn't mean that someone like Wago didn't design it at some point, made some prototypes, and then decided not to market the result. Given corporate decision-making can be very silly sometimes, it wouldn't surprise me.
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 I doubt it? If that's what happened I don't see why it wouldn't have the Wago logo on it? They don't care, they won't get in trouble for it. When you do business with China you have to accept that your IP is going to be stolen and they're probably going to directly compete with you even if you have patents, trademarks, etc. Apple has put *huge* amounts of effort into stopping this, they have Western employees monitor every little thing that happens, employees are searched coming into and off the premises, etc. Yet Apple still can't stop them stealing their IP. They steal it from everywhere, if you contract with them they will steal it and use it. When they come to Western universities they download all the course materials and take it back (I remember the university getting quite angry at this when I was there) so their universities can use it. If a Chinese national works at your company in the West there's a reasonable chance they will try stealing IP then as well.
But the fact is that it's still normally better for a company to contract with them. It's so much cheaper because of the huge amounts of competition and deregulation. And besides, even if you manufacture in the West they will still end up copying the design at some point. Also don't kid yourself into thinking the same thing doesn't happen in the West, it just happens in different ways. Someone gets ahold of your product here and reverse engineers it, then they change it just enough to not violate any patents, and change the trademarks. That's how it works in the West, which just delays and adds a bunch of costs to people copying your product, it doesn't stop it.
They likely just designed it themselves. They're actually *really good* at designing products, it's just market forces have made ripping off products and making them for as cheap as possible the best method of making money.
It's actually starting to change in recent years. We're starting to see more and more Chinese companies that are original, innovative, and don't build down to a price, in fact quite the opposite they're often built to better standards than many things in the West. I think it's a sign that the market forces are changing. Labor costs are rising, and labor is being exported to other developing countries. And a middle class is forming. It's allowing companies that create high quality products to exist over there.
The real reason a company shouldn't contract with Chinese companies is because of the CCP. I actually somewhat admire all the shit they do to copy products, at the end of the day IP violations only have impacts on peoples bottom line, and I have a lot of problems with the idea of owning intellectual property anyway. But the stuff the CCP is doing is abhorrant. It's not just IP theft, it's fucking murder, genocide, censorship, destruction of the environment, pushing stability in the region (e.g. support for NK, South China Sea expansion), and potentially even concentration camps... We shouldn't be working with the country because it supports the CCP, if this was a smaller less powerful state we'd have huge restrictions on them, but our economy is so dependent on China we don't do shit.
Bought mine on EBay 3wks ago. Looks good
Then they could simply order their prototypes from somewhere else. This is the compromise for cheap labor.
I fell in love with Wago terminals the moment I first found them. Friggin' love 'em. I don't know if they do a legit one of these, but they certainly need to.
I wish I knew about these when I did lighting in my garage. Standing on a ladder with a terminal block in one hand, screwdriver in the other, wire in the third hand and flashlight in my mouth... Oh, wait, I don't have three hands. I guess that's why it was so frustrating :)
The way you say "one moment please" is so cute! ♥
I read this comment and a split second later he said it 👌
I honestly thought he was going to come back with bandages on his hand, I was cringing the whole time he was picking away at that with his spudger.
I love the common connection version of these connectors. May have to get a set of these as a splice connection would be great to have as well. I use them to mock up projects before making final solder joints, etc. Thanks for posting!
Wago do make pass through terminal strips, for example series 261, but they do not have the lifting up spring levers you have to push down on them with a screwdriver instead.
Ideal as a poor man's Quicktest.
My poor mans Quick test is three alligator clips screwed to a piece of 2" x 4" wood. (Note its after the variac, current limiting light bulb and isolation transformer).
i use 3 separate wagos for that right now
@@ua89das7ufj Which is exactly why this product is so amazing
I was so Mad the last time I Had to use 3 wago Terminals just to splice a fucking wire, Ended up soldering it instead
@pmailkeey Even easier in the days of round pin plugs - you just poked the wires into the socket sleeves and shoved a plug in on top!
I stick wires into traditional IEC-60320 C13 plugs. :D
When I just saw the knock-off I thought it was stupid, but when you said it connects through it made so much sense that I'm suprised Wago doesn't have their own version. Also, I think you can open them easier by pushing into the side tabs with a thin screwdriver.
They make a version now.
Glad you checked metals. Wire Nuts have band inside, not a problem - Except me; I've NEVER done well with them.
These Wagos should have been around long ago. I use in Old house; Works Great! = ]
As I watch this I realized I'm wearing a Wago cap. :-)
The people in our shop take a BIC pen apart and use the barrel of the pen as a tool to open and close the levers when using the older style lever nuts.
“I think you’re probably aware of wago connectors...”
I am not, but go on, I am intrigued
Probably you're aware of Chinese clone connector, master of clone invention.
I bumped into these on Amazon 2 years ago. Great for tight areas and short wire left to tie to e.g. Connected new blower motor in bilge without having to run all new wires. Things were tight and neat, and these kept it that way with the replacement blower.
I thought the Chinese version of the CE logo stood for "Caveat emptor" - Latin for "buyer beware".
It does indeed.
Or China export
Cheap Excrement
This deserves to be pined.
or crappy equipment
I always found these Wago type connectors very appealing, with one major downside, I want to be able to mount them in project boxes or cases so they are not flopping around. I have seen there are Wago mounting carriers for DIN rails, but those would not help much for my use cases. Luckily i recently got a 3D printer and there are Wago mounts available for free from Thingiverse, I will be using these a lot more going forward.
As far as I know this style of WAGO connector is a legacy product. They went on to the modular 221 connector which is a lot easier to handle, can be made weatherproof, will play nicely in an installation scenario (can be screwed onto TS 35 units etc.) and will also do in-line connections.
I have just found these kind of connectors on ebay, but with color-coded levers. Levers opposite of each other are the same color, so it's easier to differentiate them from the "regular" ones and know which terminals are commoned together.
Looking at that Chinese three pole, I’m seeing a thru-hole component on one side, like the three legs of a TO220 transistor, and leads with clips on the other side for subbing parts on mock-up boards or other temp installs with no soldering.
I just looked and there are loads of these Wago clone pass-through connectors on Amazon for any US viewers. I also saw 2 pin versions which would be better for DC hobby hookups. Ironically they were shown to me as a related listing when looking at a genuine Wago block.
Use the three pin and leave the middle empty, for extra separation.
These have been available for quite a while. I bought some of the two pole version at the start of last year, they have been very useful. I've mostly used them for testing projects, before soldering on battery connectors once complete.
Great find.
In an ECU wiring harness I can't afford to lose any length each time I make a change. For testing I'm always stuck between using the normal Wago levers or the cheap white spring connectors, which pass through like these do, but cannot be trusted to hold for long.
I just checked the german website of Wago and could not find any product of this sort. But I also often thought when using their terminals for e. g. connecting lamps "why don't they do these in the style of classic screw terminal strip where you can connect them through?"
I really whish they would officially make them like that. The you would only need 1 clamp for connecting lamps, etc. in stead of three 2-pin common connectors.
It would be funny if Wago cloned the clone.
these with 4 or 5 terminals would be really useful for connecting RGB or RGBW strips in installations or for me, theater sets
Here in Australia when you purchase most light fittings they include a strip of screw terminal connectors, suitable for 1mm or 1.5mm cable. Here we don't often use tool-less connectors, but I'm pretty sure I've seen some come with a smaller different version of this style of connector. (Not sure if you have a similar setup in the UK). I'm surprised Wago don't do a similar product though.
If this one caters for 2.5mm though for power circuits, that would be quite handy
for years i've been dying for these! long gone are the days of bodgy tape or zip tie arrangements!
Hey Clive,
That blow up picture was stunningly well taken. Nice one!
I've been looking for the flat profile shortened version of this from Wago for so long - I really don't understand why they won't produce any. The junction box screw terminals (Lüsterklemmen) are a thing of the past - and rightly so. The Wago design is very safe and smart and I would love for them to product a successor to the obsolet Lüsterklemmen.
I use these exclusively now for hooking up single phase 120v pump motors. Line/neutral/ground. For when we need to do a quick swap out they save so much time. strip and clip - done.
Wagos have revolutionised the way we connect up set electrics in our theatre, quick, secure, safe and reusable. I wish Wago would make 3, 4 and 5 pole through connectors to connect up mains pracs and the plethora of LED strip connections we have to make. It would be so much neater and only use 1 connector as opposed to 3 for say a 3 pole connection.
Much better than the old choc block for these jobs.
At Disney in Paris all the electrical wiring was based on Wago style connectors. It was the first time I'd seen them in such heavy use.
Makes me want to buy some and find a use for them...
Good job,, and thanks for sharing.
That does look a useful bit of kit.
thanks bud - these look even more useful than the traditional Wagos. I'm giving them a shot for some low voltage stuff.
Be fine for 12V lighting or security systems, prefer something more robust for house current.
Just remember that if the low voltage (V) has to deliver significant power (W) at the other end, the amps (I) increase along with the connector temperature. Didn't good old Mr. Ohm write a law about this stuff? It was something like W = V * I. Thus I = W / V
Yay a Sergal, and a pink one too!
Nicolai That's Mr. Joule. Mr. Ohm wrote the one about Resistance.
@@dragonslayerornstein387 Tis good to be appreciated and recognized. I like you! None of that "awh, that's a cute pink doggie on your youtube thingie".
I found the XHF2018 SPL-3 connector on Amazon. Not a Wago product, but certainly extending the concept of the lever splicing approach.
I was midway through telling a friend about Wago connectors when this popped up... So rather than explain it, paste :)
Thanks BigClive!
Was glazing over my brain, looking at Wago online brochures, on your behalf! I discovered their line of PCB solder on push connectors. (Small brain explosion). Apparently you have discovered the only connector on planet earth Wago has missed. Oh......Thanks for the great content!!!!!
Its Pretty hard to Imagine they didnt think of this
I can't even count the amount of times I sweared because I Had to use 3 Terminals just to splice a wire
It always surprised me that Wago didn't do an inline connector like this. I don't know if I would trust it for permanent mains installations, but for low power LEDs in the garden, and for prototyping, they look good. Ordered some up, now just have to wait forever for them to float over to the UK 😀
I’ve used these exact connectors on some low voltage cable for under cabinet LEDs and they worked BRILLIANTLY!
Wago does produce connectors like this, but they look completely different and use push buttons instead of levers. Series 294 and 862 for example.
Also Series 260 - with screws, I think.
Those are DIN-rail products.
@@Furiends 862 is DIN rail, 294 connectors aren't. They're only 3x3x2cm, roughly the same size as regular Wago connectors.
Id use the generics for my own low voltage stuff but that it I think.
I use these on my grandchildren's train set. Most of the joints are soldered, but these are fantastic for connecting cables across from one baseboard to another so they can be easily dismantled. Mind you, they're handling a maximum of 18V AC and 2 amps.
I've been waiting for these foreverrrrr! I was so annoyed when I couldn't find them a few years ago when I first started using wago's
A more useful idea would have been not 3 sections with two contacts (only good for a splice) but 2 sections of 3. Bigger separation. More useful in lighting loops.
The student outsmarts the master!!! These seem useful!
Most impressive little through connector. Haven't seen one of those before. Wago's do get sometimes used in normal streetlight fittings. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Clive.
And thanks for sharing your knowledge too.
These connectors are awesome. I am definitely going to be ordering some when I have the money to buy random supplies again. Already see a solution to the moisture ingress. A rubber or silicon grommet to poke the wires through. Wouldn't help with submersion but should work good against splashing and misting.
Been using these things for a couple years now. They’re amazing for sensors and splicing wires to machines
Any fires yet?
Wago: why sell you one connector when we can force you to buy two?
China: Hold my beer! 😂
I would appreciate if the orange parts would be yellow-yellow, blue -blue and black-black, so that one knows the connectivity instantly
Theese kind of spring connectors are often used in plug'n'play terminal blocks. For example the ones produced by Phoenix Contact, which I find very well suited for industrial automation purposes, and look upon as a quality product.
Got some of these & took one of each type apart to check inside. Checked R with low ohm tester & insulation with a megger. No issues. Have used them on domestic lv & not had any problems so far & they seem well made.
I love the way you end your videos. No 'thanks for watching', no 'and hit that bell icon while you're at it' nonsense!
And how he will take subtle, usually emotionless shots at some of Tech's sacred cows.
Would be nice to see a comparison to a genuine wago connector and see if they are using the same technique spring inside
This is what WAGO was always missing, one you can use instead of traditional screw terminal connectors or "choc blocks"
Still love my wago connectors for conjoining LED jobs. Works great for 8x CXB 3590 / HLG drivers x2. Cleaned it up very nicely.
They are called "SPL-3 Connectors" on Aliexpress. I will try them, they look very usefull for Car and low voltage battery related stuff.
Thanks, couldn't find them on the seller Clive mentioned, but just ordered a bunch off Ali after searching spl-3
Don't think this is suitable in a car like the engine bay, or other wet places. These can hold a good amount of moisture inside.
@@jada1173 You're right. But inside the cabin I'd trust them more than cheap crimping connectors.
I can think of a reason why Wago didn't bother with this product: It is kind of prone to be used to "fudge" something together, because a regular home install rarely needs extension without branching circuits. Maybe they fear regular people fixing their appliances with them, neglecting strain relief etc.
This would be good for speaker wires in a car, if you're putting in an aftermarket head unit
Some thoughts
1. The Wago 224-xxx are their range that facilitates "through" connection
2. I have a feeling the regs will push for identification of conductors on a multi use connector like this ie L/N/E markings
3. I also think there may be a requirement in the regs to have the test hole on all terminals also
Very helpful info. I was considering these and your video confirmed quality and operation. Thanks a lot!
Wago have now released a version.
those will be helpful to me in my low voltage projects. Not sure how I'd feel about mains voltages, though.Later in the video - Yes. hydro-ponicy lights.
I'm pleased enough using them for 120v signal purposes
Technically low voltage here in the UK is 1000v or under. Extra low voltage is 50v if memory serves me right.
@@craigemmott4976 similar here in Australia, from memory, low voltage is 1000v ac or 1200dc, and ELV is 50ac, 72dc.
Interestingly, the 2-wire version of this connector actually has "L" and "N" marked on the underside of the connector, either side of the incorrectly-spaced "CE" mark, to indicate which terminals should be used for live/line and which for neutral, but the 3-wire version - at least the ones that I have - *doesn't* have markings like that! Even more oddly, those "L" and "N" letters are embossed, while all other markings on both sides of these connectors are engraved!
I bought a 15-pack of the 2-way connectors for £7.58, and a 12-pack of the 3-way connectors for £9.88, both from Amazon, in April. So that eBay price is pretty good ;)
Another Chinese extension to the Wago product line that I've been making use of for a couple of years is an 8-terminal "222" connector (the old-style fat, opaque grey, commoning connectors). Commoning eight wires is probably not required too often in mains-voltage applications, but it's very handy for various low-voltage applications, such as LED strip installations where you'd rather have several separate strips with their own 5/12/24V supply in order to avoid the voltage drop that you'd get if you fed all of the LEDs from one end.
I've got a couple of installations of "neutral white" (~4000-5000K) LED strips around the house and on both of them I've noticed that the LEDs closest to the 12V input have turned very yellow over time (only a couple of years of not-even-close-to-24/7 use), which I figure is the result of those LEDs seeing a higher voltage than the ones later in the strip. Both strips are the gel-encapsulated "waterproof" style, though, which I think must greatly affect the ability of the LED packages to get rid of the heat they produce. They're the "5050" type as well, so each package is dissipating somewhere around 750mW while surrounded by a load of thermally-insulating silicone!
I plan to replace the worst-affected installation with the non-waterproof type at some point, and I'm considering setting them in some aluminium LED strip profiles in an attempt to better remove the heat (that set is in my 3D printer's enclosure, so they need to be bright but they also operate in an ambient temperature of around 50℃ when printing with plastics that benefit from the enclosure being closed up, e.g. ABS, ASA, PETG, etc.).
Either that or I might get some LED strips from AliExpress that use aluminium PCBs rather than flex PCBs - the keywords to use to find those are "led strip hard" or "led strip rigid". Those are also extremely affordable - often less than £10 for ten 50cm sections - and it looks like a lot of them are much higher-power, too: I'm seeing some that are 28W per metre! But I haven't found any that specify their CRI... I might have to design my own LED strip PCBs and use high-CRI 5730 LEDs from Digi-Key/Arrow/etc.! I note that PCBWay are currently offering 1-layer aluminium PCBs at VERY affordable prices!
I bought a bag of the single tap clones from Temu not too long ago. They seem to work well enough but I haven't tested the thresholds yet and I did actually wind up breaking one by accident.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the ones I have actually clamp the wire when you pull the tab all the way up, rather than pushing it down.
when I was doing a job trial back in late 2018 I was asked to search for producer of this gadget in Wenzhou China. It's interesting to see it in your video and still remember how I bargain for 1 cent for the price
I've been waiting for Wago to make one of these for years. At last someone else has done it. I will be ordering loads of them.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. The Wires are too close together. If one were to heat up and melt through things could get really bad. And shouldn’t each connector be labeled showing that each one is on a different circuit?
If one were to heat up, you have a bad design because a fuse/breaker should have popped, long before.
If you go to the sellers site you will find several different versions, some with allocated colours to indicate same connection both sides
@@AdaptivePhenix If the product is badly designed and the wire starts arcing to say, yeah I can see how this may happen with just a few amps.
@@nahventure3873 but the video just showed it's actually pretty good design...
No one should ever use any connector that they do not know the pinout of. If you don't know where the pins connect then what the hell are you doing? I have on occasion grabbed a random connector from a junk box to hook something up and the very first thing I do is to buzz out the terminals to make sure they go where I think they do. And sometimes I get surprised. But no big deal so long as you check it out before you hook it up.
Thankyou for bringing these to my attention. I have promptly ordered a few 3-Liners and a few 2-Liners from Ebay which I can use for quick fixing wire breach in my Moped. (50CC Motorcycle here in Holland). Especial the wireloom near my steering column suffers quite a lot. It is 12 Volt, so Arc-Over seems not an issue here. :-)
I discovered wago several months ago. Here in the US we have these ridiculous "wire nuts" that have destroyed my fingertips many times. I'm not sure wagos are approved here, but they are so convenient. They are especially nice in a tight junction box since you can attach the incoming wires separately and then attach the "appliance". I find these especially useful for IOT things like the Sonoff and Shelly. If you are VERY careful, you can even work on these live since there is no exposed metal. I noticed some of the newer IOT device are using pigtails instead of those crappy blue terminal blocks, so these are the perfect tool for the job.
The other advantage is that you don't need a dozen sizes to do the job. These clones seem to work well on AWG 28 to 12, (.08mm - 4mm). If my house burns down because of these, I'll blame Clive :)
I was thinking a lot of time years back about why Wago not make connectors like that. I always ended up thinking that they don't want 2 similar looking stuff with totally different inside connections.
Thom would only need them to be a different colour
@@WmAHughes I worked a lot with wago. They got a lot of different colors, yellow, red white grey, purple, green ect and the original-orange.
Thom oh right, only ever associated them as orange
Clive, I can't keep up with these 'must haves' you keep parading in front of my screen. When I first see the Wago units I thought that's how they worked. It made sense at the time. No I didn't toast anything ;) If Wago just make that unit with better separation, they'd have a new toy in their arsenal. Colour code the levers like the quick test so you know at a glance?
A friend gave me some of these connectors that he got from a pallet bin store and I have to say that I really like them. I'd like to have a few more.
Legit this seems perfect in some circumstances. I remember helping out with reprogramming some light fictures, and we needed like 2-3 wago each time, only using 2 of the connectors every time. I mean it worked, but this would have made the whole thing nice and neat.
You can get them from aliexpress for cheaper than ebay, seriously cheap like 5/40p each depending on model
Link please?
Amzon have 'em too - prices vary of course.. amzn.to/2KOgDh8
Poor man's quick test!
@Bits and Electrons That's where the "poor" part comes in!
I recently bought some of these that have a transparent casing, which clip together and have optional clips on the back for mounting on a top hat rail.
I use the cheap rip-offs a lot for low voltage practical lighting on theatre sets. Much quicker, and more reliable, than choc-block; especially for splitting circuits out to multiple destinations.
thattll be good for mY electric bike build, my current kit relies on ugly blocky ring wire terminal boxes
I'd have a use for 2 way and 3 way versions of those. Wake up Wago!
Bought many of these connectors for 12v / lv work and the Chinese versions are pretty durable. Haven't seen this version before, so I'll just have to investigate! It would be interesting to do an insulation test on those 3-way linkers, to see what the flashover / breakdown voltage might be. Most commercial polymers used in injection moulding have a decent insulation resistance so that should be good for 240v.
I love all the lever type connectors, especially the clones as there are so many types, but unfortunately I have found them in houses without any box around them. I can understand this if it was a recessed ceiling light, but I found them on the sprocket ring under the floor of the bathroom
They should be in enclosures. That's just bad electrical work.
I thought they were called "vago terminals" for so long, because I had only heard greatscott talking about them
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It is. And it's not. I just watched a video from wago.de, and they say vah-go. But on wago.us, they say wah-go. So I guess the German parent company doesn't mind "local" pronunciation.
I assume you're going to do a similar video on the true Wago's, both the 221 and the 222 versions please ;)
He already *has* done a video about Wagos: ruclips.net/video/zWc_awaQFPg/видео.html
CLIVE Hope all is well! I love how you find these simple little things people dont think about twice ever interesting, so do i. everything has so much more going on than people know, this translates to our whole strange universe not just electronics! i checked out your videos on that snap power video and angel socket plate, the damn plate has contacts in it, thats not as interesting as i thought it was going to be, i thought it would be some kind of induction lighting or something, oh well. great work like always.
I’ve seen and used these before, they are fantastic if you put them in a choc box secured closed with a small screw so that they require mechanical help to open. They are great for LED Spots!
Oh WAGO connectors I got my finger between those things enough to not like them anymore.
Just the transparent low profile ones if you need a realise in the future which he shows. For solid connection you don't need not loose a lot use the new transparent push in connection.
Have fun from germany I am just a guy who renovated his hous with them. And I was looking to something like that a while ago.
Would you post a link for that 3 channel straight through connector please?
"CESFONJER" on Amazon. They appear as single, double and trebles, but the singles I bought are magic-they have a dovetail in the case whereby you can connect as many as you like side by side. This would also address Clive's concern re separation. I paid £10 for 24 singles.
Just got some. They've evolved - some even now come with a small probe hole on every terminal. The quality is pretty good too.
If they changed the lever colour from all 3 orange, to brown, yellow/green and blue, they would sell like hot cakes.
looks like someone is filling the niche wago don't wann fill. good. better step you game up wago ^