If you use an ABY box to drive two amps at the same time make sure that one of its inputs is transformer isolated in order to eliminate ground loops. These boxes are not cheap however.
Back in the day I ran stereo live (really just for me usually - as the mic'd amps were set up to work mostly as my guitar monitors and we seldom if ever used stereo PA)
My stereo rig in the late 70s was a Les Paul standard wired stereo into 2 50 watt plexis with 4X12 cabinets, monster! Currently playing mono but looking to go wet-dry- wet
So awesome! This is what I want to do! Stereo guitar set up would be sweet! I can do that as long as the 2 guitar heads dont have to be identical ones! I already have a few different brands of guitar heads. Just need the pedal! Love the stereo sound much better than mono!
Yes. If you have multiple heads you can do this. Just balance the volume of each side so they are balanced and you’ll get some great results. Good luck!
Ya know, you don’t need an effects loop if you have.a stereo pedal ( like a boss DD 7 or stereo reverb ) at the end of your chain. You just plug left to one amp and right to the other from that stereo pedal and you’ve got stereo. The other mono pedals are split into stereo by the end pedal automatically . So, as long as you use overdrive from your pedals and not from your amp, the ambient effects will still sound good as long as they are before the ambient effects.
@@LonelyRocker Yes, If I owed 2 beautiful Marshall amps like you have, it would be almost criminal not to use the amps gain. I’m using 2 VOX MP 50 amps, no send/ return. Great little tube amps, but simple, with few extra options. I have 4 of them, including a Marshall type. I’m considering installing a send / return on it, a RUclipsr gives instructions how.
So far so good. Just working through how to get the signal in the right places, but I've got some really sweet EVH tones coming from my Eventide box. I may have to put all this into a video and post it.
I bought two Princeton’s, so I can do this. I picked up a universal audio delay/reverb combo steeeo pedal. I have to run the effects through the front of amp. I’m going to try to have fun with it. 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting choice that you bought them to create a stereo rig. A loop really enhances the stereo experience. But I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with this regardless. Enjoy!
@@LonelyRocker I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m learning. I did make one good choice. A Universal Audio delay/reverb combo. I’d love to do a Johnny Marr type thing, and I’ll admit, I should have done more research.
Thanks so much!! Ahhh, that's my Suhr Classic T Deluxe Limited Edition...did a whole video about it right here: ruclips.net/video/1I8ccwSR5es/видео.html
Only 20 likes from 250 views? Obviously don't recognise quality then...🙄 Glad to see you playing a bit of guitar again, btw. Hope your next video is 20 mins of shredding! Cheers, Dan.
Thnx Dave. My channel has been experiencing a bit of a challenge as of late. Very low discovery. Not sure what's going on. Perhaps my niche down to more guitar content has confused the algorithm but I'm fighting through it. Thnx for your usual positivity!!
@@LonelyRocker I'm not a guitarist but I like your videos, they're interesting and well made; you're obviously a talented musician and you have an engaging personality. It's obviously just a blip, so please keep them coming.
The easiest stereo rig is a stereo chorus Guitar-chorus = dry chorus output into the front of one amp and the effected chorus output into the other amp, probably technically not true stereo but it’s a cheap way to play through two amps at once for anyone wanting to try it. It’s glorious by the way even a cheap chorus as long as it’s got two outputs. Anyway that’s how this that was my cheap wet/dry setup basically the chorus pedal replaced the aby pedal in your third diagram. You can’t turn amps off using a chorus this way but you can put a tuner in between the chorus and an amp to mute your secondary amp. By the way never ever run two amp unless you want to run two amps for the rest of your life. After playing through two one is never enough anymore lol. Most neighbors really love dual amp setups also 😂
Another option. But not all chorus pedals can send a dry signal and a wet signal. But you could send both sides of the stereo outs. Using the effects loops if you have them is the best way if you have the gear to pull it off. I think the tone is way better. But I agree playing through two amps will ruin you forever 😎🤘🏽🎸
Question..I have a Digitech RP 10 effects pedal board..can i use this in a stereo set up..maybe put a splitter before connecting to the amps..?//don't want to have to buy individual effects pedals
It is a stereo pedal...you should be able to so the single pedal setup. Just turn off effects that might ruin the stereo effect...this is a very old pedal so I can't say for sure...just try it...
@@LonelyRocker Stero Chorus is awesome and obviously the ping pong delay. I have to admid I didn't use it for long long time was I have a family now and I mostly play acoustic guitar or piano or violin. But it has an awesome sound.
@@LonelyRocker I was playing in a band in my 20s and places one amp left and one amp right to the stage. Then no PA was needed :-) The Fender Ultra Chorus has 2x 65 W solid state amps. The stereo effect loop lit my fantasy in the 90th to buy a second one and build a stereo rig. It was really awesome. BUT the celestion speaker are really really directional. This means to the the full sound you need to be >3-4 m away. I guess I would need a wireless Guitar setup to really enjoy it. Combined output power is then 2x 130 Watt = 260 Watt in full Stereo. I use the preamp from one and the power amp from both. The amp itself is a stereo amp with a stereo chorus. It sounded awesome but the stereo effect with a single amp is quite small as the speaker are so close. I always layed down on the floor between the speaker and played. Then I throught just buy a identical second one, craft the cables for the effect loop and use two! In beginning i had problem with 50 Hz hum because of ground loop. I had to power both amps from a single power source, then it worked. Now I was told everbody directy feeds into a PA and does not use amps anyway, but it would break my heart to sell them. I wish one time I can set then up again and play them as they are supposed to be really loud. Their clean sound is awesome. Preampt distorted sound is also nice and you will never be able to get power amp distortion with them as they are simply too loud before they start to distort. I had it once pretty maxed out in a bunker.
It depends. Technically yes but I don'y like stereo effects going into the front of the map. Just my preference. But if the effect is bypassed and you are using the pedal as a splitter that can work providing you are getting two even signals out of the pedal.
How can i set the volume of the second amp (right channel in return loop)? Bypassing the preamp of the second amp how can i set volume if i don’t have master volume on that amp?
Hey there, do you recommend a distance between cabinets? Is directly side by side going to be ok, and then adjust the stereo width through the pedals, or should there be a minimum distance between them. 👊
Definitely the wider you can set up the cabs the wider the stereo effect will feel. Use your ears until it sounds great. Ideally I wouldn't put them side by side.
I tried this using a 2 amps 1(gallien Krueger amp s 1 /ml 250 lunch box and a sel 2100 amp head! May delay was a alesis quadrasynth a nd for the reverb a Alesis midi verb 3! Why won’t his settup work your stereo way🥸! The 2nd amps input you have no signal! 4:23
So hard for me to diagnose from here. Best advice. Set it up as simply as possible then add pedals one by one until you identify the source of the problem. Good luck!
Thanks! You could take the stereo outputs of the pedal and just go into the input of each amp. While the stereo pedal may not be in the optimal place in the signal chain you will still get a stereo result. Hope that helps!
I'm in a band where I have recently become the only guitar (and vocals) and I'm finding my live sound for garage rock is a bit empty. I use a whammy pedal and then a zoom G7.1ut Multifx pedal with 3 options (adjusted on the 2 way foot switch): distorted (pedal back), Distorted plus chorus (pedal forwards), Wah with a hint of Chorus (pedal pushed on controls both). Currently the Zoom sends the signal gain free and uses the Head's preamp to dirty the sound. I also have an eharmonix channel splitting pedal so I am wondering if there is a way I could fill my sound by having one signal going to a DI and the sound desk either being delayed (but how) or splitting the signal after the heads FX send to do similar so I dont have to take 2 rigs to shows where you might only have 10 minutes changeover and other bands may roll their eyes if you are trying to set up 2 rigs.. The issue is that doing the latter and running my multifx through the effects loop means that whammy and wah/chorus would be afterthe driven signal...Any suggestions? Many thanks in advance and thanks for such a clearly explained video !
I’ve read this comment a few times! That’s a huge question that I will have trouble answering in the comments. The best advice I can give you is not to over complicate your setup. Maybe the solution is simpler than you think. Good luck! And thanks for checking out my video!
Oooooh. That’s an interesting concept. I love me some TONEX. The only problem is the TONEX pedal doesn’t have an FX loop. But you could pull of an interest stereo rig with some creative cabling. Would definitely be a fun experiment if you had access to two pedals. Let me know if you try it.
If you want the delay to maintain true stereo then yes you need to connect both outputs. The Reverb simulates stereo but it won't be the same effect as preserving the true stereo of the delay.
My pleasure. This depends on what you have. I tried splitting a stereo pedal between 2 amps and the reverb pedals just didn’t work properly this way. Something to do with how the reverb is generated. If you had a pedal or rack that allowed you to split it between the 2 rigs that would be one way or you’d need pedals for each side. I haven’t tested this way yet so these are just ideas.
Most likely a ground loop between your amps. You probably have to lift ground in one of the amps. Some a/b boxes do that for you but if you Google it you may find another safe solution.
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If you use an ABY box to drive two amps at the same time make sure that one of its inputs is transformer isolated in order to eliminate ground loops. These boxes are not cheap however.
I didn't have any issues but that is something that some may encounter. Thanks for the tip!
Using a Decibel 11 Split Personality has ground lift. That will eliminate this
Back in the day I ran stereo live (really just for me usually - as the mic'd amps were set up to work mostly as my guitar monitors and we seldom if ever used stereo PA)
Isn't it always just for us? ;-)
My stereo rig in the late 70s was a Les Paul standard wired stereo into 2 50 watt plexis with 4X12 cabinets, monster! Currently playing mono but looking to go wet-dry- wet
My goodness! That must have sounded epic!!!
@@LonelyRocker yes indeed
So awesome! This is what I want to do! Stereo guitar set up would be sweet! I can do that as long as the 2 guitar heads dont have to be identical ones! I already have a few different brands of guitar heads. Just need the pedal! Love the stereo sound much better than mono!
Yes. If you have multiple heads you can do this. Just balance the volume of each side so they are balanced and you’ll get some great results. Good luck!
Ya know, you don’t need an effects loop if you have.a stereo pedal ( like a boss DD 7 or stereo reverb ) at the end of your chain. You just plug left to one amp and right to the other from that stereo pedal and you’ve got stereo. The other mono pedals are split into stereo by the end pedal automatically . So, as long as you use overdrive from your pedals and not from your amp, the ambient effects will still sound good as long as they are before the ambient effects.
As memory serves me correctly I mentioned that but I MUCH prefer delay in the loop of an amp because i always use the amp's preamp.
@@LonelyRocker Yes, If I owed 2 beautiful Marshall amps like you have, it would be almost criminal not to use the amps gain. I’m using 2 VOX MP 50 amps, no send/ return. Great little tube amps, but simple, with few extra options. I have 4 of them, including a Marshall type. I’m considering installing a send / return on it, a RUclipsr gives instructions how.
I would use a guitar splitter pedal with ground switch and isolated outs... just my humble opinion. Cheers!
Many ways to get’er done!
@@LonelyRocker Absolutely. Crazy routing logistics ✌️
Decibel 11 Split Personality is what you need.
So right now, I'm building both #2 & #3. 🤘
Sweeeet! How's it working?
So far so good. Just working through how to get the signal in the right places, but I've got some really sweet EVH tones coming from my Eventide box. I may have to put all this into a video and post it.
Nice! This is a great project. Glad you’re having fun with it!
I bought two Princeton’s, so I can do this. I picked up a universal audio delay/reverb combo steeeo pedal. I have to run the effects through the front of amp. I’m going to try to have fun with it. 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting choice that you bought them to create a stereo rig. A loop really enhances the stereo experience. But I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with this regardless. Enjoy!
@@LonelyRocker I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m learning. I did make one good choice. A Universal Audio delay/reverb combo. I’d love to do a Johnny Marr type thing, and I’ll admit, I should have done more research.
Have fun with it!
Great video.... my Amps are just too loud.... Although sounds great....
Thanks!!! And NEVER too loud!!!! :))))))))
awesome video! i have got to know what that guitar is! that thing is absolutely stunning
Thanks so much!! Ahhh, that's my Suhr Classic T Deluxe Limited Edition...did a whole video about it right here: ruclips.net/video/1I8ccwSR5es/видео.html
What a beautiful doggy.
Bigsby! Thanks so much... :)
Only 20 likes from 250 views? Obviously don't recognise quality then...🙄
Glad to see you playing a bit of guitar again, btw. Hope your next video is 20 mins of shredding! Cheers, Dan.
Thnx Dave. My channel has been experiencing a bit of a challenge as of late. Very low discovery. Not sure what's going on. Perhaps my niche down to more guitar content has confused the algorithm but I'm fighting through it. Thnx for your usual positivity!!
@@LonelyRocker I'm not a guitarist but I like your videos, they're interesting and well made; you're obviously a talented musician and you have an engaging personality. It's obviously just a blip, so please keep them coming.
Thanks so much for your support and kind words Dave. Hoping it's just a blip. It's been quite the struggle but lots more coming :)
awesome tutorial, cant wait to try some of these out!
Thanks so much! Have fun with it 🤟🏼🎸😎
Excellent tutorial on stereo setup. Liked # 495 👍🏻 Can you also do a 7 cable method tutorial?
Awesome. Glad you enjoyed it! 7 cables!? That may twist my brain in knots but I will look into it!
The easiest stereo rig is a stereo chorus
Guitar-chorus = dry chorus output into the front of one amp and the effected chorus output into the other amp, probably technically not true stereo but it’s a cheap way to play through two amps at once for anyone wanting to try it. It’s glorious by the way even a cheap chorus as long as it’s got two outputs. Anyway that’s how this that was my cheap wet/dry setup basically the chorus pedal replaced the aby pedal in your third diagram. You can’t turn amps off using a chorus this way but you can put a tuner in between the chorus and an amp to mute your secondary amp.
By the way never ever run two amp unless you want to run two amps for the rest of your life. After playing through two one is never enough anymore lol.
Most neighbors really love dual amp setups also 😂
Another option. But not all chorus pedals can send a dry signal and a wet signal. But you could send both sides of the stereo outs. Using the effects loops if you have them is the best way if you have the gear to pull it off. I think the tone is way better. But I agree playing through two amps will ruin you forever 😎🤘🏽🎸
I just go through an old delay pedal into the front of any 2 amps. Didnt know it had to be complicated.
It doesn't have to be complicated...but if you want the best tones possible it takes a little effort...
Question..I have a Digitech RP 10 effects pedal board..can i use this in a stereo set up..maybe put a splitter before connecting to the amps..?//don't want to have to buy individual effects pedals
It is a stereo pedal...you should be able to so the single pedal setup. Just turn off effects that might ruin the stereo effect...this is a very old pedal so I can't say for sure...just try it...
@@LonelyRockerThanks..should i plug into the front of the amps or can i use the effects loop..which would be better
I have a stereo guitar rig with 2 Fneder Ultra Chorus using an Intellifex LTD multieffect. It sound awesome but is loud as hell.
Nice!
@@LonelyRocker Stero Chorus is awesome and obviously the ping pong delay. I have to admid I didn't use it for long long time was I have a family now and I mostly play acoustic guitar or piano or violin. But it has an awesome sound.
Get back into it! Stereo rigs are awesome :)
@@LonelyRocker I was playing in a band in my 20s and places one amp left and one amp right to the stage. Then no PA was needed :-) The Fender Ultra Chorus has 2x 65 W solid state amps. The stereo effect loop lit my fantasy in the 90th to buy a second one and build a stereo rig. It was really awesome. BUT the celestion speaker are really really directional. This means to the the full sound you need to be >3-4 m away. I guess I would need a wireless Guitar setup to really enjoy it. Combined output power is then 2x 130 Watt = 260 Watt in full Stereo. I use the preamp from one and the power amp from both. The amp itself is a stereo amp with a stereo chorus. It sounded awesome but the stereo effect with a single amp is quite small as the speaker are so close. I always layed down on the floor between the speaker and played. Then I throught just buy a identical second one, craft the cables for the effect loop and use two! In beginning i had problem with 50 Hz hum because of ground loop. I had to power both amps from a single power source, then it worked. Now I was told everbody directy feeds into a PA and does not use amps anyway, but it would break my heart to sell them. I wish one time I can set then up again and play them as they are supposed to be really loud. Their clean sound is awesome. Preampt distorted sound is also nice and you will never be able to get power amp distortion with them as they are simply too loud before they start to distort. I had it once pretty maxed out in a bunker.
Quite the journey. I’m sure you will crank it up again one day 😀🎸🤘🏽
Can I use a Stereo pedal for application #2 instead of the A-B-Y? 2 outputs, right? Alohas
It depends. Technically yes but I don'y like stereo effects going into the front of the map. Just my preference. But if the effect is bypassed and you are using the pedal as a splitter that can work providing you are getting two even signals out of the pedal.
How can i set the volume of the second amp (right channel in return loop)? Bypassing the preamp of the second amp how can i set volume if i don’t have master volume on that amp?
Level mismatch is a problem if the amps don’t have the controls. You could consider a boost pedal on the side you need a little lift. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker it’s a good solution a booster pedal or volume pedal. Thank you 👌
Hey there, do you recommend a distance between cabinets?
Is directly side by side going to be ok, and then adjust the stereo width through the pedals, or should there be a minimum distance between them. 👊
Definitely the wider you can set up the cabs the wider the stereo effect will feel. Use your ears until it sounds great. Ideally I wouldn't put them side by side.
Wet-Dry-Wet is the way to go
It’s a great solution.
I tried this using a 2 amps 1(gallien Krueger amp s
1 /ml 250 lunch box and a sel 2100 amp head!
May delay was a alesis quadrasynth a nd for the reverb a Alesis midi verb 3! Why won’t his settup work your stereo way🥸! The 2nd amps input you have no signal! 4:23
So hard for me to diagnose from here. Best advice. Set it up as simply as possible then add pedals one by one until you identify the source of the problem. Good luck!
Great tips wish I had amps with effects loop. I have some stero pedal can I set up a stereo rig with no effects loop? Cheers
Thanks! You could take the stereo outputs of the pedal and just go into the input of each amp. While the stereo pedal may not be in the optimal place in the signal chain you will still get a stereo result. Hope that helps!
I'm in a band where I have recently become the only guitar (and vocals) and I'm finding my live sound for garage rock is a bit empty. I use a whammy pedal and then a zoom G7.1ut Multifx pedal with 3 options (adjusted on the 2 way foot switch): distorted (pedal back), Distorted plus chorus (pedal forwards), Wah with a hint of Chorus (pedal pushed on controls both). Currently the Zoom sends the signal gain free and uses the Head's preamp to dirty the sound.
I also have an eharmonix channel splitting pedal so I am wondering if there is a way I could fill my sound by having one signal going to a DI and the sound desk either being delayed (but how) or splitting the signal after the heads FX send to do similar so I dont have to take 2 rigs to shows where you might only have 10 minutes changeover and other bands may roll their eyes if you are trying to set up 2 rigs..
The issue is that doing the latter and running my multifx through the effects loop means that whammy and wah/chorus would be afterthe driven signal...Any suggestions?
Many thanks in advance and thanks for such a clearly explained video !
I’ve read this comment a few times! That’s a huge question that I will have trouble answering in the comments. The best advice I can give you is not to over complicate your setup. Maybe the solution is simpler than you think. Good luck! And thanks for checking out my video!
Hey Dan, would the ABY box be a good way to run two TONEX pedals in stereo? Thanks.
Oooooh. That’s an interesting concept. I love me some TONEX. The only problem is the TONEX pedal doesn’t have an FX loop. But you could pull of an interest stereo rig with some creative cabling. Would definitely be a fun experiment if you had access to two pedals. Let me know if you try it.
@@LonelyRocker ordered my second pedal just now. 😉
Wow! OK!!! Come back here and let me know how it works out! I'm curious to hear......have fun with it!
When putting the delay pedal with the Reverb is it necessary to use the two patch cables between them if the Reverb pedal has two stereo outputs.
If you want the delay to maintain true stereo then yes you need to connect both outputs. The Reverb simulates stereo but it won't be the same effect as preserving the true stereo of the delay.
@@LonelyRocker thank you so much for the video and response. Just learning stereo setup. Gonna be really cool.
My pleasure! Have fun with it!
Can u do the same with a sterio chorus
Yes, that can work too....
thanks for this.
how would you use a stereo effect using the ABY pedal but not as wet and dry?
My pleasure. This depends on what you have. I tried splitting a stereo pedal between 2 amps and the reverb pedals just didn’t work properly this way. Something to do with how the reverb is generated. If you had a pedal or rack that allowed you to split it between the 2 rigs that would be one way or you’d need pedals for each side. I haven’t tested this way yet so these are just ideas.
great video
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
Will you review ToneX pedal? Did you receive it?
I can now tell you that I did and I did ;)
When I do it it makes one of my amps vibrate like hell and buzz
There could be a million reasons why…
Most likely a ground loop between your amps. You probably have to lift ground in one of the amps. Some a/b boxes do that for you but if you Google it you may find another safe solution.
Thank you
You're welcome!
So clever ❤
Thank you ;)
Wow thanks a lot
Most welcome 😊
Come for the tips, stayed for the gratuitous pedal spinning.
Haha....hope I didn't make you dizzy :)
Lol, this has been going on for years mate 😬
My instruments have dry stereo. Get on my level. 😤