Time Team S19-E11 King John's Lost Palace
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Tony and the Team don their hunting green, pick up their bows and arrows and head for the fringes of Sherwood Forest, where residents of Clipstone village in Nottinghamshire believe some impressive ruins in a farmer's field may have played a part in the ancient tales of Robin Hood and Bad King John.
The history books describe these crumbling walls as the remains of a royal hunting lodge. But the locals believe it was actually a palace: a vast complex of chambers, chapels and halls where King John stayed when hunting in Sherwood Forest.
Royal hunting lodges were very popular with the kings of medieval England, and John was no exception, but was this one so grand as to be more important than all the others?
The extensive building records and a few tantalising high-quality carvings prove there was certainly a fine building somewhere here, but finding out what it looked like and how large it was frustrates the archaeologists for a good while.
The trenches reveal a great array of finds, but it's not until the clock is counting down the third day that all becomes clear...
I love Phil's passion. If we all showed the same passion and determination for life that he does everyone would be happy.
Cur, I missed watching this despite my 2 yr binging on everything Time Team! too cool march '22.
T.T. to the rescue~ great episode. A newfound scheduled site of fascinating history shared and preserved.
Thanks so much for posting.
RIP Mick! I didn't know! As for most of the rest of the comments here: Inane! I've loved this show since I first started watching around 2002 or so, I think. Always have been interested in archaeology, but never had the chance to pursue that dream.
P.S. Mick and Phil (and his hat) have always been my favorites! Tony's only a host; who cares? I've always kinda put up with him. :-)
Tony is also the link between the professionals and people like me, because he asks the exact questions I'd like to ask.
Tony is so impatient and Mick is so patient with him. Such a gentleman and loved his archeology. The worl lost a treasure.
Aw, lighten up on Tony. He's a damn fine ACTOR and he's ACTING as the antagonist in some of these shows in order to punch it up a bit. Sometimes he has to piss people off to get the effect he needs for the show.
+Jim Dille Having just gone through every episode in sequence I can see a major change in Sir Tony's behavior in this season. Much more (as Mick lamented) "pratting about."
I suspect that he was goaded by the Ch4 idiots to be more adversarial with Phil and the rest.
Stannous Flouride
Wow! I've seen most of them, but not in sequence!
I think there was a lot of tension with Mary-Ann coming along too. She didn't have 2 brain cells to rub together and the rest of the crew had to make allowances.
I've added the geographic coordinates for every site and starting in the 18th season added the post production reports (and plan on going back and adding those from the beginning too).
Stannous Flouride
LOL! You've got it bad! The show - Phil, actually - inspired me to try my hand at flint-knapping, but not with much success. Must be the hat ...
I had a neighbor in Austin, TX back in 1974 who taught anthro at UT and tried to teach me.
I was young and impatient. I got plenty of sharp edges... by accident.
Phil is my favorite
Years of pilfering,(gardens/homes) no wonder there's no building left.
can understand the recycle.
Archaeologists hate recycling, there's little for them to find.
Good Hist lessons here.love this program & humor.the King/Lords would have your nose split for harvesting firewood.that(wood limit) was mentioned in the movie BECKET.
alison webster you couldn't cut timber, but could take fallen branches and trees.
These buildings were heavily scavenged upon.
Sadly all the poor changes in time team just ruined it for so many. We loved the original characters and the way it had always been. They should have left well alone.
That was such a small deer! Ugh!
Roe deer...
Tony slapped Phil with calling his trench "Barren" and "Desultory." (An adjective
lacking a plan, purpose, or enthusiasm.)
Desultory seems to me to imply conscious intent, or lack thereof. I don't think rocks can have intent....
These guys rag each other all the time. It’s all part of the show.
IT'S NOT A FUCKING PALACE, TONY!!!!!!!
Don't like alex. Any time I see him...I'm switching off. Throw jhn gater, after him...
That Tony is such a nuisance. In effect belittling all their hard work. Wonder if he'd appreciate the same treatment were he in the trench digging for the treasures that lie beneath
That’s his job. He’s one of the producers, and his entire role in the show is to do exactly that. He’s not a digger.
John was the better king for the english, richard was only interested in the income, he like the Franch country side better.
🎵🎶 Too late to be known as John the First he's bound to be known as John the Worst🎶🎵 lol
19:26 "hoose" instead of "house." They would do better if they didn't hire morons perhaps? I had to go back and hit pause to double check and, no, it isn't proper Brit spelling either.
The "U" just ran together a bit; I don't think that makes her a moron.
Hoose is good and proper Scottish pronunciation of house.
Pause on 19:21 and you'll see the "u" in "house" almost looks like an o. If she writes her u's that rounded, the "hoose" typo might be a product of her rushing to write down the data.
There's a small gap at the top of the 'u' anyway. It's just been written quickly. Perhaps calling a woman with a Masters in Archaeology a 'Moron' for a simple typo is in itself rather moronic.
Perhaps but making blatant errors on a show seen by millions, child-like errors, is moronic. Now if you, or I, made such a mistake here in a simple forum it would be a simple mistake. There they have people who check such things. Failing at a simple job is moronic in my humble (or not) opinion.
Crap, just talking and trival stories
To my mind,the unheralded hero of this entire 20 years is the mechanical shovel artist,Ian. He wields that tool with the deftness of a surgeon.
I seem to recall the team saying how good he was/is at it.
Yayyyy... my little boys always looked out for Ian on the TT programs..... they were JCB crazy.....
He's a hero no one speaks of :(
Late to the comments on this, but there’s an American Time Team where he peels a banana. I’m not making this up.
@@basstrammel1322"Unsung" is the word.
RIP Prof. Mick Aston, 1946 - 2013.
+MooPotPie www.westerndailypress.co.uk/profile-life-Time-Team-archaeologist-Mick-Aston/story-19385226-detail/story.html
🙁😔
Mick was an excellent teacher: listen how patiently he explains to the new girl what the various problems with her timeline summary is.
She was supposed to be an archeological addition, educated, but brought in for her looks. Ugggh no dirt on her unlike Carenza, Helen & Jackie. Her addition pissed Mick off so much that he refused to return with her the next season. He did not respect her and it caused Time Team to end. So sad. Another female was not so necessary. Besides she is not lovely she is pretty but huge. Larger than most men on T.T.
@@Go-Dawgs , I also liked Raksha's sweet, toothy grin and her excitement. To this new girl's credit, I've read that she actually realised she was only there to 'enhance' the scripted, inane phrases she was permitted to speak and worked out her contract and left.
@@Go-Dawgs Mick was also upset that they fired half the archeological team without even talking to him, wanted to resemble what Countryfile had become, in his words, "that (Countryfile) is a programme which went from being a programme presented by farmers and people who knew about the countryside to one in which there is only one farmer and is full of cliche-ridden crap."
He also state that there were complaints about the ratings but the show never had consistent marketing nor a consistent time slot. Mary-Ann Ochota seems to have been more of a final straw, as opposed to the beginning of the end.
I think Mick saw what the real draw for the show was giving an easy and understandable access to archeology and the experts involved. Not giving us a second (and unneeded) host nor dumbing things down. That it was canceled a season after Mick left makes me think Taylor had zero clue as to what made the show a success. That's why he tried to do those changes and didn't even bother to get input from that actual experts and professionals involved.
I have nothing against Ochota, but more often than not she seems like a square peg in a round hole. I'm sure she did just fine in the other shows she did.
Being 30% Scottish, 29% English, 28% Irish and 6% Welsh, I really feel a tie with TT’s work.
I wonder if Matt would like to adopt a 70yo American grandma. Lovely boy
Matt a savage you couldn't handle It trust me. Dude can party
I've been watching Time Team at 240p....this 480 resolution is a revelation. I'll have to start over. :)
Damn! Why didn't you mention that sooner. Amazing difference watching it at 480 resolution! Thanks, fredy!!
The remains of the building are here: 53°10’33”N 1°05’51”W
Oh, I did not know he passed! Love these programs! He will be missed!
Alex does bring information he went out searching for, found, and worked, uncovered and found more info on. That new lady does nothing. She wrote a timeline someone else found & read out to her and she asks dumb questions just for the camera. I do not like her because she Never gets dirty while thinking she has good looks enough to bring. No, she is really a large lady, larger than most men on here. No wonder Mick said enough of this...keep her next season and do it without me. Such Respect for Mick, but his leaving ruined it. And whoever brought her in started the end.
King John was not good man,
He had his little ways,
And sometimes no one spoke to him
For days and days and days....
46:40 "youve been a real misery" 😂 l love European insults!
I just learned how to pronounce 'desultory.' In my defense, I've never heard or had to use it in a sentence, though I've read it many times while reading.
I’m not liking New Girl, Mary-Ann. She is listed in other places as “Presenter” for Time Team. She doesn’t seem to have any Archaeological training and she just wants to smile her way through each episode. Tony is our Presenter and this Mary-Ann needs to step aside.
Ian is the unsung hero of these shows. Surgical skill with that monster digger
I love this stuff, wish it was on TV and still going
+Brenden Couch With smart casting choices this show could go on forever.
@@barnabyaprobert5159 :. Glad to know that the program returns in spring 2022. Viewers and patrons have come through to make this possible. Unfortunately, some have past and others have moved on to different and better suited for them. The new people will make the founders proud!
During the English civil war ( 1642, 1660 ). A lot of the old castles were destroyed or made ruins so they could not be used as strongholds.
Now I can see why Mick left the show.
So, the descendants of those pesky peasants and rabble robbed John’s little palace for their garden walls and their drainage ditches...
I could listen to those accents all day XD
Great series! Thanks for putting them on RUclips!!
British tv is so much better than tv in the US. Brits get Time Team, the US is stuck with the mindboggling stupidity of Snooki and JWow.
***** or American Pickers...
So true. American tv is embarrassing.
***** I haven't watched TV in a decade and even I know those two people haven't been current in about five years
Don't forget Duck Dumbasses and The Used To Be The history Channel. Canada has some good shows though.
Alex is no land whisperer, is he. i miss Stewart
He is allowed to be what the producers allow him to be.
Hard to replace Stuart, but Alex is a good addition. He has the passion, he just brings a different perspective.
Not that thrilled with Mary Ann though. 😀 Much prefer Helen.
His only problem was that he had some huge boots to fill. They might have hired someone with a decade more of experience - or just kept Stewart.
love time team thanks so much for sharing
The producers let go of very well educated people, Dr. Helen & Stuart, who provided a lot of info & insight.. Apparently the executives were anxious about something. I'm glad Professor Mick resigned afterwards, standing his ground for what is right.
Nice ending with the property owner but still doesn't compare with Paintpot !
Correct. Paintpot is a cat legend who will live on forever.
Bring back Helen!
For Gallen Gregory's benefit who thinks if we don't spell like he does people must be morons....
Etymology (ie where a word originates from)
From: Middle English hous, hus, from Old English hūs (“dwelling, shelter, house”), from Proto-Germanic *hūsą, of unknown origin. Cognate with Scots hoose.
Noun
hoose (plural hooses)
1.(Geordie and Scotland) house
If the alignment was off a bit it could be that magnetic north (currently in northern Canada) has changed a bit, perhaps some dating is possible if there are records indicating changes. After all, long voyages would end in the wrong place if true North had changed.
Don't forget about using sextants & astrolabes.
Tony learned a new word and Marianne ruins another episode.
Phill Harding rules!
When I heard that Channel 4 had cancelled Time Team, one of my all time favourite shows, I was horrified, even when Mick Aston had announced he had quit the show I still thought it a terrible decision. Having watched this episode though I have completely reversed that opinion. This episode is just dreadful, the archaeology content is minimal, the two new presenters in particular are awful and totally detract from the show. Why did he spend all that time hacking plaster off that woman's wall? What was that ever going to achieve even if it was a medieval wall (which I still think was questionable)? Mick, Tony and even Phil seemed deflated and even disinterested throughout. Very poor.
I don't think the new people every really had a chance to "fit in" to the team. After Robin died, they brought in Sam Houston, but I think they wanted more than just history, so he started doing performance art as well. I think that may have detracted; at least it did for me. Loved what he brought up to that point in each episode. Then they lost Stewart Ainsworth, and I don't think that Alex Langsworth ever really fulfilled that role well. I also think that they totally underutilized Stewart's skillset. How many times when on the brink of archaeology failure did Stewart save the day? Maybe they did that for dramatic effect?
So they robbed everything but left the three standing walls?
Dumbing down episode of Time Team. The producer cut his own throat - sad. RIP Mick.
+Valentine Valentine It wasn't Tim Taylor, the producer. It was the bean-counters at Channel 4 who tried to 'liven up' the show.
I'd be curious what a plant specialist could add to your investigations. Where there were people, they brought or encouraged/domesticated certain plants. It's possible they could even find plant traces in masonry crevices.
Where I live we're told that lilac, not being native, is a sign of human occupation. It's known as a "foundation planting." It was planted around outhouses to help cover any smell, near windows to allow for freshening the house when in bloom, and sometimes planted over miscarried babies, and newborns who had died. Interesting stuff.
Fascinated by what you do. Thanks for putting it out there ; )
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but this episode is over 10 years old. Mick died in 2013. I don't believe the show still exists.
@@gasfiltered Sadly it is over but it's legacy is *DigVentures.*
A few episodes they did have people on to see what types of plants, crops & woods were around by sifting to find seeds & pollen
Hate Ochoa, I wish they'd re-edit and fu king edit it out.
I'm glad they ended this when they did, it seemed to be getting like every other sensationalized history show on TV. I know the late Mick Aston wasn't happy with the direction of the show. The seem to have gotten rid of Stewart, John and Helen and replaced them with the lady in pink who adds nothing. Also wheres Victor? His illustrations where always a highlight.
M. William Keating Also, where's Francis Pryor?
I love that guy
M.W. Keating at least we still had phil
Totally agree, think she is supposed to be eye candy . . .
...you fine folks need to do some homework and read how the whole show unravelled with the intro of Alex and Mary Ann and Mick's reaction to it all
Can anyone tell me why stewart left the show?
I absolutely can’t wait until I have the chance to use the expression “early days yet”. 😂😂
Stone the crows for me 😊
Legend says the poacher expert is still out there poaching.
See.... Making me want to fly to England to join an Ach group
really dislike Mary (Sue) whatever - rather a pain in the ***
考古学は魅力的です、掘るのはひどいでしょう
So you guys wasted a bunch of time cause you couldn't be bothered to do some checking around first. Don't get me wrong, I love the show
Funny how the later episodes, that are heavily scripted to attract viewers, are so much less fun and watchable than the 'original' episodes. A real shame. Still, interesting series nonetheless.
So fantastic! I think this is one of my favorites ❤️
King John died of dysentery after drinking local monks special brew, three days later. What a way to go.
To whom it may concern, (individuals responsible for the screw up), I am confused! Why is it that every time you have a successful educational show, it gets ruined by some clown who thinks that boobs need to be added? No offense meant to Mary Ann, i am sure she is a fine and wonderful young lady, but what did she do for the show? To quote M.W. Keating who posted a yr ago, "They seem to have gotten rid of Stewart, John and Helen and replaced them with the lady in pink who adds nothing", and he is a absolutely correct! I Love England, (being of English ancestry I would right?) and this show was fantastic. Here in the states we do not have the 1000 yrs of archaeology to uncover, study and be wowed by. Also, like so many of the fans of this show, I am saddened by Mick's death, It really was like losing a dear friend. Can't you bring this show back and focus on the archaeology and teaching like you did before when the show was in its first 12 yrs or so? That way all of us that watched and supported and was educated by it can be apart of giving a Legacy to a great Archaeologist. I watch and re watch these episodes and I learn things every time. I truly cannot think of a better educational show for anyone even slightly interested in Archaeology than this show. I have ordered books authored by Archaeologists featured on this show simply because I cant get enough of it, and I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. So hey, come on, the air ways are filled with boobs, sex and stupid sitcoms, please, give back to those of us who thrive on this type of show, preferable THIS SHOW! Trust me, Mick would smile! Thank you for reading. Please fee free to comment!
Ohh my goodness, I failed to mention Francis Pryor. I apologize, he was a fantastic individual just like the rest. If you read this comment above Francis, please accept my apology. I didn't mean to forget any of you all.
Joseph Heatherly - Ms. Ochota, unlike some on the show, actually did work in a relevant field: anthropology (Emmanuel college, Cambridge). She was on the show one season (No. 19, 2002). Your public fetishising of her chest does nothing but bring shame to your heritage.
He said the Girl brought nothing to the show, that's what he said, he was right, i never watched these because of her and i'm just a normal Chap who likes history
It was a great show however please do not blame Mary-Ann Ochota. If you look her up in wikipedia you will see that she is a smart person but when you join a show just as with any job your abilites may not be used and your intelligence demoted to make others (and their egos) look more important. You see *some* of the males are quite good at pontificating their opinions .
Joseph Heatherly s
Who else immediately thought: garden folly?
fascinating how much Phil loves the word "probably"! LOL sounds like most scientists of America!
For all the episodes I’ve watched I still can’t understand why just 3 three days why they do fantastic work but don’t carry out onthe history they touch on but don’t carry thru
It was because they had jobs so had to fit it in over a slightly long weekend. Also it adds dramatic effect
As said above, they all had day jobs at various universities, this was a weekend gig. Additionally, the crew was huge, over 70, so 3 days limits the enormous cost and allows for more episodes. There's also the PR factor; many times the crew would blaze in on a Thursday, doubling the population of whatever little village they were invading with trucks and diggers and a helicopter, emptying the pub of food and generally upending life. Not overstaying a welcome is important to run a show for 20+ years.
Kathy Long Thirdly, this is survey archaeology- that’s a thing. They were never intended to do the full-on, months-long excavation. That would be done by the county archaeology society, or E.H.
It comes down to time & money. They'd never be able to completely cover a site in a reasonable time. Some sites can take decades to get the whole story. Then the cost would be unpredictable, you never know what you might run into. They wanted to produce a weekly, one hour TV show, not two hours or more documentaries.
The show is basically like one of their one meter square test pits. It's down & dirty archeology, go in, get what you can & get out with a basic idea of what's there. This way, they can spread themselves wider & cover a lot more sites. Which is a more effective use of their resources.
People always remember Tony as Baldrick. But he was great as the Sheriff of Nottingham as well
Desultory,,,,,.....,.without plan,purpose or enthusiasm!
Why would the chapel ever have been demolished unless it was part of a monastery that Henry VIII went after?
Those protestants have a lot to answer for dont they
Christian Patriot by not being used and desanctified it just became another building for taking stone from. The chapel here was only a chapel of ease and noy used at all times, only when the hunting lodge was in use. At all other times you would have to go the church in Clipstone (this location is in Kings Clipstone) or Edwinstowe (where legend has it that Robin and Marian married). It fell out of use when the hunting lodge fell out of use.
...oh, the new people are on this one.... ugh... 19:11 Mick trying to make it work but, the end of the show loomed on the horizon
Stop the Americanised previews. British don't need it, we are more intelligent.
Does Mick ever take his cap off?
I am not Neil , I really dig your show . congratulations from Ontario Canada
if tony had been around in king johns day he would have been the sheriff of nottingham and phil would have been little john ie john little who apparently was real
I believe john little is buried in papplewick a few miles south of that site fyi.
I think this is the first episode when I realized that people's loathing of Mark isn't even bothered to hide it anymore. They just roll with it out loud
I had no idea Mick Aston died in 2013 :(
..where do we begin??
11:35 Hey! It's Alex from the Farm series!!
Yes! And a real cutie!
...sadly
21:44 RIP field marker
They extrapolate an awful lot from very little
39:40 I had to back up three times to hear what they were saying. I was tripping on the potato-rocks.
Tv is wierd. At 46:00 tony is talking to lady and walks away. But u can see here in background just standing there. He like ledt her in the middke of an empty field to just....stand there lol
Then he invites everyon3 for a burger and everyone's like😊yaaaay yaaaay while she's just still back there lol
That woman at 5:00 *laughs in Brittish*
Where the Sam Hill is Stewart?????
Julie Chi the Ch 4 morons axed him, Helen, and Victor.
Did someone put the sod on top of the existing walls? Why??? Looks nice, some purpose?
They do that to help stabilize the ruin and protect it from freezing & thawing damage; I learned that from watching Time Team.
Was here Dec 2019
Episodes 12 and 13 are missing. Still coming soon?
Only made 12 episodes for season 19 along with 2 compilations.
+uw1955 I can't find episode 5 and 6 either.
jormot episodes 5, 6, 7 are on RUclips now
What accent does Phil have? I mean what part of Great Britain is he from?
he is from Wiltshire
Medieval Cement blocks ?
Mick Aston 8 years passed on
I would be happy with a cow shed,
does anyone know if Phil plays classical guitar?
I think he must do, because he obviously doesn't do much digging with clean finger nails like that !!!
He does play guitar, but his life is digging. He works for Wessex Archeology, although as he is now 68, he may have retired. If you watch the whole series, you will see him as one of the hardest working members of the team, through rain and mud and even diving. Truly amazing.
36:38 Dutch army jacket
He wears it many, many episodes 👍
Dutch Army Jacket = cheap, durable surplus
I love the way these archeologists find a fragment of broken pottery and it is the missing piece of evidence they needed, and from this 1inch square piece of pottery that is covered in mud, so it could be a stone, they can tell it came from a jug and instantly know the complete history of the area.
Or by looking at the radar printout, they know this was a two story building.
How do they do that?
"They found an ornate stone that obviously fell off the building". It doesn't seem too obvious to me.
David Edwards It's due little things called "education", "experience", and "expertise". These are the things that the incompetent among us try to sell as "worthless".
because building high walls back then meant building thick walls, building thick and high walls means building deep and thick foundations. to be 2 story it gotta be relatively high.
If you had half the education and experience they have, you'd see the same value in the finds.
Great to see the sexiest of all the historians here, Alex Langlands♥️
I'm a Peter Ginn fan myself...lol.
...yes, good to see the man who helped destroy Time Team
Ahhhhhh hahaha yadayadayada!! Lol Tony you are too funny!
Where is the palace? I see a ditch and a lot of dirt
Mary Ann wasn't hired for her archeological knowledge and skills, as evident in the tight, knit green top at 19:50. Wow, they sure dumb-downed the show with Mary Ann and Alex (who I really liked in the BBC various Farm series). I miss Helen, Stewart, John, and Victor. R.I.P., Mick and Robin.
or do I mean phill.???
I'm still trying to work out how she is beautiful, i live in Poland, every other girl here is more beautiful than her, and older Women
Not so desultory after all.