I know this is old but not sure but I agree with all of your points. However Cameron was amazing. And every point i might have had a different opinion on I never felt was unfair. Great review man!
From 2003 to 2019 4 movies 4 attempts to continue from T2 and they all failed on so many levels in terms of casting, nostalgia, acting, plot, story and execution. All the movies from 2009 through 2019 stole and ripped off ideas from the series in the movies they were poorly written and badly executed. In the series however they written fantastically and executed very well. Here are some examples T3- Judgement day is inevitable Skynet is a program created by the Army. SCC- Judgement Day is postponed Skynet is a virus in cyberspace that needs a host to gain control Cyberdine systems destruction delayed this The Turk however is new prototype. Dark Fate- John Connor dies out of nowhere. SCC- John dies but it’s a dream but done more dramatic and efficient. Genisys- Multiple timelines and confusing narrative as well as the creation of Skynet. SCC- Everytime they change the past Terminators or Resistance fighters come from different outcomes of the future The Multiverse is better than established on the show Salvation- The Future looked nothing like how it was on the first two films SCC- The future looks just like how it did on the first two films. All- The Advanced Protypes tried to copy and act like the T-1000 but failed on so many levels and were not scary anymore SCC- The Terminators are now smarter and more advanced and act more human and are very hard to spot. All- The fights and the action were way to over the top and fake looking it didn’t have the magic or charm of T1 and T2 SCC- The action was real and in your face and was very grounded like in the original films All- The Acting of the T-800 Arnold got worse and worse he acted more human and casual on T1 and T2 but the other movies he was very stiff, annoying and coming off like a talking computer SCC- Cameron is both more human and acting like a machine but it comes off very casual plus she was perfect in this role almost like she was a robot in real life Well there you have it the show was so much better.
Unfortunately I found your review only today, otherwise I would have commented it earlier :-) The nice thing about this incomplete TV-series is that you are given an enormous amount of more or less hidden clues in the 31 episodes, so that you can draw some conclusions for further character development. In detail: Sarah: Her greatest fear is losing her son. But not necessarily that he dies, but that someone else will replace her. And this is where Cameron comes into play, because she is a direct threat to her role as a protector, especially since with the ongoing series it becomes clear that something is happening to Cameron, that she is developing emotions for John. Sarah notices this and therefore considers the female cyborg a personal threat. John: He grows up as the series progresses, slowly accepting his role as the future leader of humanity. In this respect it is not without irony that he ends up in a future where nobody knows him. And how could they? After all, he did travel into the future 20 years ago, so he disappeared from the timeline. No wonder nobody knows him. Cameron: It' s obvious that she has feelings for John and he has feelings for her. There's clearly something going on between the two of them, but until the end it's unclear what Cameron's mission really is - except to protect John. It becomes clear relatively early on that there must be something more, and at the very end, when Ellison asks her the question "Will you join us?", more clues are revealed. Because that is the question he asked on behalf of Catherine Weaver, the T-1001 (who by the way is a far more advanced model than the original T-1000 in T2). Catherine Weaver: It is absolutely clear that she is the liquid metal terminator that was on the sub. It is generally believed that she was the representative or leader of some kind of cyborg resistance group against Skynet, with whom John Connor wanted to form an alliance. And there are indications that Cameron also belonged to this cyborg resistance group or at least was a mediator. However, the submarine crew ruined these plans with their indiscipline and subsequent paranoia. Instead, the liquid metal terminator went back in time and took the place of Catherine Weaver to build John Henry, an artificial intelligence to compete against Skynet. It becomes clear that her views of humanity aren't very positive ones when she tells John Henry that "humans will disappoint him". She clear refers to her experience on the submarine. Insofar I cannot understand your opinion that Catherine Weaver's plot line was uninteresting or unimportant. Unimportant, in my opinion, were the solo efforts of Sarah Connor to chase her vision of the three dots - which made her look like a lunatic and put John into danger. What was the point of it all? To see her suffering some more? Because she did nothing for the team, only put everyone in danger and her behavior was ultimately responsible for the deaths of the workers in the warehouse, Derek and Charley. The whole team should have followed those leads together... and not only her alone. It's so stupid that I want to bang my head on the edge of my desk. The team was less a team but more like a dysfunctional family where nobody talks with another. This could have been done better with different script writing. A lot better. We can talk about plot holes or mistakes in the show's timeline - there are a lot of them - but the cardinal mistake in the second half of season 2 was to get tangled up in uninteresting plot lines revolving around Sarah's solo runs, instead of staying focused on the real thing. The scripts in the second half of the second season were simply in part much worse than when the season started. After Cromartie's death, they didn't seem to know what to do with John, Sarah, Cameron and Derek as a team anymore. Riley as John's (pseudo) girlfriend is hated by most fans of the series, because most of them actually wanted to see how John and Cameron getting closer instead of drifting apart. Cameron's character was mostly neglected in the second half of season 2 and almost turned from a leading role to a recurring character. All in all, though, though, TSCC is a well-done sequel to the first two Terminator movies and deserves to be part of the official canon of this franchise more than the unspeakable movies that followed. Of course, everybody has their own opinion, but for me there's T1, T2, and TSCC. That's it. The rest can go and jump in the lake. And since you mentioned fan fiction: There is TSCC fan fiction out there that is ten times better than anything that Hollywood brought onto the screen in the four latest movies. Let's hope that "Terminator Dark Fate" finally buried the franchise and that there will be no further mutilations of it.
Two actresses from game of thrones actually played Sarah Connors! In the season where Kyle Reese baby brother goes to the past and helps Sarah they made a mistake 1.Kyle's brother needs to stay in the future because John Conners decided to make him the next leader of the fight against the terminators. 2.the terminators caught him and used him as bait by cutting off his tongue and sending it to John.
it's a different timeline. after all the shenanigans they did and everything they changed, the timeline has been altered. so john connor apparently wasn't the savior in the new timeline. at least that's the way i saw it.
i see it as john left before judgment day and jumped passed his setting up the resistance so of course no one has heard of him. and i read the going to be famous line is because his "dad" is the leader and he just stole his coat
Summer Glau mentioned that she would have played both Cameron and Alison if there was a season 3. So the episode "Alison from Palmdale" was basically a look into the future after the events of the final episode. John had no feelings for Alison, he knows Skynet will capture and replace her so i'm guessing he allows it to happen so Cameron will be created. John Henry and Weaver would have joined the resistance against skynet and what happens after that is anyone's guess.
The Creator of the Sarah Connor Chronicles Josh Friedman wrote Terminator Dark Fate and reused a lot of the ideas from the series on the movie even ideas for the unmade 3rd season unfortunately his script had John Connor alive but the producers changed it, Also the creator Josh Friedman also did the short lived series Emerald City and Snowpiecer The Series and his biggest upcoming credit is Avatar 2 he finally gets to work with James Cameron himself.
Josh maybe did a treatment for dark fate. He didn't write that steaming pile of shit. You don't go from creating/writing TSCC to dark fate... Unless he had a stroke and lost his talent as a writer somewhere in between.
Alison was the actual human, like wife or girlfriend of John Connor. Skynet created cameron to infiltrate John. Remember Cameron killed Allison to get the bracelet to gain access to the resistance? They must have stopped cameron. Then John reprogrammed her and sent cameron back. To protect him as a teenager. But yeah, whether Allison or Cameron, summer Glau is definitely "his type". Haha!
I know this is old but not sure but I agree with all of your points. However Cameron was amazing. And every point i might have had a different opinion on I never felt was unfair. Great review man!
From 2003 to 2019 4 movies 4 attempts to continue from T2 and they all failed on so many levels in terms of casting, nostalgia, acting, plot, story and execution.
All the movies from 2009 through 2019 stole and ripped off ideas from the series in the movies they were poorly written and badly executed. In the series however they written fantastically and executed very well.
Here are some examples
T3- Judgement day is inevitable Skynet is a program created by the Army.
SCC- Judgement Day is postponed Skynet is a virus in cyberspace that needs a host to gain control Cyberdine systems destruction delayed this The Turk however is new prototype.
Dark Fate- John Connor dies out of nowhere.
SCC- John dies but it’s a dream but done more dramatic and efficient.
Genisys- Multiple timelines and confusing narrative as well as the creation of Skynet.
SCC- Everytime they change the past Terminators or Resistance fighters come from different outcomes of the future The Multiverse is better than established on the show
Salvation- The Future looked nothing like how it was on the first two films
SCC- The future looks just like how it did on the first two films.
All- The Advanced Protypes tried to copy and act like the T-1000 but failed on so many levels and were not scary anymore
SCC- The Terminators are now smarter and more advanced and act more human and are very hard to spot.
All- The fights and the action were way to over the top and fake looking it didn’t have the magic or charm of T1 and T2
SCC- The action was real and in your face and was very grounded like in the original films
All- The Acting of the T-800 Arnold got worse and worse he acted more human and casual on T1 and T2 but the other movies he was very stiff, annoying and coming off like a talking computer
SCC- Cameron is both more human and acting like a machine but it comes off very casual plus she was perfect in this role almost like she was a robot in real life
Well there you have it the show was so much better.
Unfortunately I found your review only today, otherwise I would have commented it earlier :-) The nice thing about this incomplete TV-series is that you are given an enormous amount of more or less hidden clues in the 31 episodes, so that you can draw some conclusions for further character development. In detail:
Sarah: Her greatest fear is losing her son. But not necessarily that he dies, but that someone else will replace her. And this is where Cameron comes into play, because she is a direct threat to her role as a protector, especially since with the ongoing series it becomes clear that something is happening to Cameron, that she is developing emotions for John. Sarah notices this and therefore considers the female cyborg a personal threat.
John: He grows up as the series progresses, slowly accepting his role as the future leader of humanity. In this respect it is not without irony that he ends up in a future where nobody knows him. And how could they? After all, he did travel into the future 20 years ago, so he disappeared from the timeline. No wonder nobody knows him.
Cameron: It' s obvious that she has feelings for John and he has feelings for her. There's clearly something going on between the two of them, but until the end it's unclear what Cameron's mission really is - except to protect John. It becomes clear relatively early on that there must be something more, and at the very end, when Ellison asks her the question "Will you join us?", more clues are revealed. Because that is the question he asked on behalf of Catherine Weaver, the T-1001 (who by the way is a far more advanced model than the original T-1000 in T2).
Catherine Weaver: It is absolutely clear that she is the liquid metal terminator that was on the sub. It is generally believed that she was the representative or leader of some kind of cyborg resistance group against Skynet, with whom John Connor wanted to form an alliance. And there are indications that Cameron also belonged to this cyborg resistance group or at least was a mediator. However, the submarine crew ruined these plans with their indiscipline and subsequent paranoia. Instead, the liquid metal terminator went back in time and took the place of Catherine Weaver to build John Henry, an artificial intelligence to compete against Skynet. It becomes clear that her views of humanity aren't very positive ones when she tells John Henry that "humans will disappoint him". She clear refers to her experience on the submarine.
Insofar I cannot understand your opinion that Catherine Weaver's plot line was uninteresting or unimportant. Unimportant, in my opinion, were the solo efforts of Sarah Connor to chase her vision of the three dots - which made her look like a lunatic and put John into danger. What was the point of it all? To see her suffering some more? Because she did nothing for the team, only put everyone in danger and her behavior was ultimately responsible for the deaths of the workers in the warehouse, Derek and Charley. The whole team should have followed those leads together... and not only her alone. It's so stupid that I want to bang my head on the edge of my desk. The team was less a team but more like a dysfunctional family where nobody talks with another. This could have been done better with different script writing. A lot better.
We can talk about plot holes or mistakes in the show's timeline - there are a lot of them - but the cardinal mistake in the second half of season 2 was to get tangled up in uninteresting plot lines revolving around Sarah's solo runs, instead of staying focused on the real thing. The scripts in the second half of the second season were simply in part much worse than when the season started. After Cromartie's death, they didn't seem to know what to do with John, Sarah, Cameron and Derek as a team anymore. Riley as John's (pseudo) girlfriend is hated by most fans of the series, because most of them actually wanted to see how John and Cameron getting closer instead of drifting apart. Cameron's character was mostly neglected in the second half of season 2 and almost turned from a leading role to a recurring character.
All in all, though, though, TSCC is a well-done sequel to the first two Terminator movies and deserves to be part of the official canon of this franchise more than the unspeakable movies that followed. Of course, everybody has their own opinion, but for me there's T1, T2, and TSCC. That's it. The rest can go and jump in the lake. And since you mentioned fan fiction: There is TSCC fan fiction out there that is ten times better than anything that Hollywood brought onto the screen in the four latest movies. Let's hope that "Terminator Dark Fate" finally buried the franchise and that there will be no further mutilations of it.
Two actresses from game of thrones actually played Sarah Connors! In the season where Kyle Reese baby brother goes to the past and helps Sarah they made a mistake 1.Kyle's brother needs to stay in the future because John Conners decided to make him the next leader of the fight against the terminators. 2.the terminators caught him and used him as bait by cutting off his tongue and sending it to John.
for me the terminator "series" goes T1, T2 and the tv show everything else is just bad
it's a different timeline. after all the shenanigans they did and everything they changed, the timeline has been altered. so john connor apparently wasn't the savior in the new timeline. at least that's the way i saw it.
i see it as john left before judgment day and jumped passed his setting up the resistance so of course no one has heard of him. and i read the going to be famous line is because his "dad" is the leader and he just stole his coat
Summer Glau mentioned that she would have played both Cameron and Alison if there was a season 3. So the episode "Alison from Palmdale" was basically a look into the future after the events of the final episode. John had no feelings for Alison, he knows Skynet will capture and replace her so i'm guessing he allows it to happen so Cameron will be created. John Henry and Weaver would have joined the resistance against skynet and what happens after that is anyone's guess.
The Creator of the Sarah Connor Chronicles Josh Friedman wrote Terminator Dark Fate and reused a lot of the ideas from the series on the movie even ideas for the unmade 3rd season unfortunately his script had John Connor alive but the producers changed it,
Also the creator Josh Friedman also did the short lived series Emerald City and Snowpiecer The Series and his biggest upcoming credit is Avatar 2 he finally gets to work with James Cameron himself.
Josh maybe did a treatment for dark fate. He didn't write that steaming pile of shit. You don't go from creating/writing TSCC to dark fate... Unless he had a stroke and lost his talent as a writer somewhere in between.
i liked the weaver arc, as it introduces something new a machine resistance to skynet
I think Cameron was Johns GF in the future.
Alison was the actual human, like wife or girlfriend of John Connor. Skynet created cameron to infiltrate John. Remember Cameron killed Allison to get the bracelet to gain access to the resistance?
They must have stopped cameron. Then John reprogrammed her and sent cameron back. To protect him as a teenager.
But yeah, whether Allison or Cameron, summer Glau is definitely "his type". Haha!