Leg to Rail Joinery Methods
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George Vondriska demonstrates leg to rail joinery. A WoodWorkers Guild of America (WWGOA) original video.
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I've used dowel joinery in the past simple because of the low cost and it definitely requires precision. Now that I'm finding more wood projects to do around the house this biscuit joint looks much more appealing. Anything with a little more forgiveness, lol. Thanks for demonstrating and explaining these methods.
Thank you so much, I just ordered a TASK dowel jig, you addressed some of my concerns.. thanks again.
@gbmmben It’s probably a toss up between the two, but if you use two or three dowels in the joint you’re probably creating greater cross sectional area than a biscuit would offer, making dowels slightly stronger.
@dealerpiper Pocket hole joints are great, and can also be used for leg to rail joinery on a table. Keep in mind that they’re not as robust as a mortise and tenon, dowel, or biscuit joint, but they’re pretty strong.
When I first started years ago I bought a Dowel jig, It was a cheap way to joinery. Used it once and it has been sitting in the same spot ever sense! Bought a biscuit joiner have used it ever time!! as time went on I got better and faster at Mortise and tenon. Now I have a Mortising machine and it's really fast work, but they came out with a floating temon cutter I have my eye on (don't tell the wife) I just rub some saw dust on it and say it old LOL. I guess it comes down to what you are making and your pocket book!! Great video for beginner's but I would suggest saving for the biscuit cutter and save your money on the rest!!
@ahernandez1080 Carcase joinery used for dresser cases or kitchen cabinets is typically dadoes and rabbets. Finger joints on drawers are fine, and very strong.
@Sodabowski Dowel pins are shown in the first section of the video. Thanks, George.
What about strength of joint, which is stronger, the dowels or biscuits? Thanks for a great video.
gbmmben: Dowels, while not optimal for joining table legs and aprons are far superior to biscuits, which should only be considered an alignment aid, as they contribute very minimal structural integrity to a butt joint. Biscuits will break under minimal racking force. While I am not a champion for octet hole joinery for connecting legs and aprons, they are superior to dowels for ease of alignment and dowels may shrink more than the surrounding wood, causing the joint to fail. The king of let to apron joinery is the mortice and tenon joint, as it provides lots of long grain glue surface and the tenon’s shoulders provide mechanical resistance to racking forces.
How would you have the apron have a 1/4'' (or so) reveal from the face of the leg with the dowel jig that you used?
What is your thoughts on pocket hole joints for that example
How can I repair an oak chair leg that broke off at the underside of the seat, without a lathe
Hi Betty. You could use a floating tenon as well, such as a Domino. But the best way to do this would be to recreate the leg and bore out the old one. Use poly urethane glue or epoxy to attach the tenon into the chair in case there is still some glue residue. Without a lathe you'll have to find a friend or professional who can reproduce the leg for you on a lathe.
The chairs are old n very heavy. So I am going to bore the leg out. Thank-you. I was told that would make it too weak! Not if it's done correctly
what about mortise and tenon?
Still the best. For tables I like the haunched mortise and tenon.
Briar Fox would you use drawbored mortise and tenon?
real joinery is dead
I've seen so many broken chairs, tables, other furniture, etc because of dowels and biscuits. They are not for adding strength to a joint like the common belief but rather they are alignment devices. Quick machining has lead to the somewhat death of real joinery. The common man can make these really fast and doesn't necessarily have to be that skilled to do it.
Briar Fox dowels do add strength, a lot of strength. More gluing surface. Biscuits are just for alignment. Check some dowel strength test videos out.
Agree to disagree. I do not believe dowels add any real strength to a joint. The outward force is mitigated but a downward pressure will break the dowels. As I have said before, I've seen more broken dowel joints than any other kind. It's just not real furniture making.
@@woodscrew5612 The outward force is mitigated but a downward pressure will break the dowels.
@Mark Armstrong I wasn't actually disagreeing with you. It was the way youtube did my comment. I don't believe dowels or biscuits are real joinery.
Not impressed at all with this type of joinery.