Houston Police Chopper Crash 2 May 2020

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  • Опубликовано: 4 май 2020
  • With special guest Scott Monroe- lifetime Commercial Helicopter pilot.
    LINKS:
    ABC 13 Story:
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    Opening Theme:
    "Weightless"
    Aram Bedrosian
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    Closing Theme:
    "Bring me your Sorrows"
    Dan Lebowitz
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  • @blancolirio
    @blancolirio  4 года назад +20

    Opening Theme:
    "Weightless"
    Aram Bedrosian
    www.arambedrosian.com
    Closing Theme:
    "Bring me your Sorrows"
    Dan Lebowitz
    ruclips.net/video/oORCrlpUYDo/видео.html

    • @nancychace8619
      @nancychace8619 4 года назад

      Thanks for the link - enjoyed it. Here's one you might like -
      ruclips.net/video/fvFJdZej28g/видео.html

    • @SgtBooker44
      @SgtBooker44 4 года назад +1

      Love Aram Bedrosian.

    • @conqururfear
      @conqururfear 4 года назад

      Why can’t we find it updates on the CHRIS CLINEhelicopter crash on July 4 of last year he was going to Augusta a W - 139

    • @JodyBarnettgplus
      @JodyBarnettgplus 4 года назад

      Josue Daniel Claros-Trajedo, 19, a Honduran national illegally present in the U.S., admitted to discharging a firearm at HPD helicopters on May 2, corroborating surveillance footage from the area, authorities say.

    • @blancolirio
      @blancolirio  3 года назад

      @@markcoveryourassets I’ll see if I can find it. New system makes it hard….

  • @tomahl5802
    @tomahl5802 4 года назад +58

    Excellent description by Scott. I've had the misfortune of being involved with two complete tailrotor driveshaft failures, once as an Army pilot in a UH-60 and later as a Customs pilot in a Jet Ranger. Interestingly they both occurred on the same day, 11 years apart (May 1st 1987 and May 1st 1998). Airspeed, altitude, and throttle control are all key. Along with al lot of luck to be operating in daylight conditions which allowed a successful outcome in both events.
    Deepest condolences to the family of Jason Knox.

    • @bobshaw4063
      @bobshaw4063 4 года назад +1

      Tom Thank You fellow Veteran for your Service . I'm glad it was successful outcome both times . I'm a US Air Force Veteran & a VA Retiree as well .

    • @tomahl5802
      @tomahl5802 4 года назад +2

      Thank you, Bob. Not as glad as i was...and thank you for your service as well.
      Tom

    • @tomahl5802
      @tomahl5802 4 года назад +1

      If you saw them Wes, that kinda ruins the surveillance...:-)

    • @pfsantos007
      @pfsantos007 4 года назад +3

      I would start staying home that day and avoid the most dangerous rooms. The kitchen and bathroom they say, and piss in a bucket in the living room. Glad you made it out.

    • @madyogi6164
      @madyogi6164 4 года назад

      @billybob beaubrain As I read what Tom Ahl wrote, just couldn't believe same shit can happen twice. Not mentioning - actually same day. He sure "won" two new lifes at these moments!

  • @gmpltd114
    @gmpltd114 4 года назад +6

    Many years ago I had a pitch link failure in a Hughes 500 at around 50 feet. it spun a full 360 instantly, dropped the power off until the flare then added a bit to keep her straight until skidding her in. Turned out to be an empty fertilizer bag blown over the fence from the farm next door ending up in the tail rotor was all that caused it. Thank God for a tough little helicopter and compressible seat bases.
    Good summary Mr Monroe.

  • @d.t.4523
    @d.t.4523 4 года назад +13

    Thank you for the link to Mrs. Monroe's site.
    "There is no greater friend, than one who gives his life for another." Edgar Cayce.
    My condolences to Officer Knox's family.

  • @DragonPilot
    @DragonPilot 4 года назад +141

    Former US Army AH-1G Cobra Standardization Instructor Pilot here. I know Scott knows what I'm about to say...this down and dirty video didn't really have time for him to go into all the nuances of a tail rotor failure and the recovery therefrom. The TR can fail any place, at any time and at any altitude and airspeed. The most optimal times is in the clear area of the chart shown with respect to airspeed and altitude. The best place would be at 3 feet over level terrain at zero airspeed...aka hovering. Just chop the throttle and perform a hovering autorotation. Army pilots are taught to handle TR failures under varied circumstances...it can't all be lumped into a one-size-fits-all situation. If you're at just about any altitude, the higher the better, and you happen to be flying well above translational lift airspeed the aircraft may tuck nose low a bit to the right, the slipstream of the higher airspeed will streamline the aircraft and it most likely won't start spinning. The textbook says maintain airspeed, head to something like a hard surface runway. Make an approach and landing like an airplane keeping that airspeed up and touch down lightly. Don't flair to slow down. Perform a running landing. The friction of the runway with the skids, or in some cases the wheels, will cause the helicopter to slow down. As it slows the effects of torque from the main rotor will cause the helicopter to start to turn to the right. The pilot counteracts the effects of that torque by reducing engine power with the twist-grip (motorcycle) throttle. If too much throttle is reduced the helicopter will then start to turn to the left, so throttle must then be added. This whole time the pilot is slowly reducing the collective to take away rotor effectiveness allowing the weight of the aircraft to settle on the skids/wheels creating a braking action due to friction. If the helicopter is operating in the shaded areas of the chart (and the charts are specific to each model) the likelihood of a successful outcome is reduced significantly. We morbidly refer to the shaded area as the "dead man's zone."

    • @bobshaw4063
      @bobshaw4063 4 года назад +2

      Gary Fellow Veteran Thank You for your Service . I'm a US Air Force Veteran & a VA Retiree also . Do you still fly helicopters ? I've never ridden on one . Came close while I was on a one way Alaska cruise . I had gone on a morning whale watch on a jet boat in Juneau , Alaska . In the afternoon I was suppose to fly to a glacier it was foggy & the flight was canceled because the fog never lifted . I was bummbed out about it . I was told it's an experience I would have remembered for the rest of my life .

    • @gunsaway1
      @gunsaway1 4 года назад +3

      And the higher the weight, the worse it becomes.

    • @nancychace8619
      @nancychace8619 4 года назад +1

      Thank you for your service. Respect. Sounds like you know what you are doing.

    • @DragonPilot
      @DragonPilot 4 года назад +16

      Bob Shaw sadly, no more flying for me. I’m pushing 80 and have just a enough energy to get to the things on my wife’s “honey-do” list. 🙂

    • @bobshaw4063
      @bobshaw4063 4 года назад +2

      @@DragonPilot Thank You for your reply .

  • @flyingdutchman7585
    @flyingdutchman7585 4 года назад +3

    I survived a UH-1H chopper crash. Usually when these hit the transmission comes down right in the bay area...we were clipping tree tops as the pilots auto rotated into a rice paddy...we were slightly sideways on impact and that probably saved our lives as the chopper flipped on it's side and drove the rotors and transmission into the soft mud instead of straight down into the chopper. On top of that, after crawling out we had to set up a defensive position around it, tend to the injured and get some re-enforcements and an evac...lucky everyone survived....still remember it as we are skimming the trees saying "holy sh!t" we are coming in really fast. Fun days....

  • @JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke
    @JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke 4 года назад +51

    I love hearing the breakdown on these things by guys that actually know what the hell they're talking about. Thanks for your channel Juan. Such good content and always worth the watch sir.

  • @SIGINT007
    @SIGINT007 4 года назад +21

    That’s one video I could have done without seeing, but it shines light on what happened. Rest easy, Jason.

  • @gordslater
    @gordslater 4 года назад +103

    OK - here's the deal - *every* helo incident debrief, we need Scott. Sorted.
    Great vid, once again guys - many thanks

  • @wdwerker
    @wdwerker 4 года назад +1

    Juan breaks these incidents down to an understandable level and brings knowledgeable pilots in to fill us in. Many thanks ! I hope both of your flying careers survive the restart of the industry.

  • @raybankes7668
    @raybankes7668 4 года назад +4

    This crash so triggers my PTSI from our EMS chopper crash in Dec of 1986. Ours was not a tail rotor failure yet im there again emotionaly, walking around the wreck and understanding what had killed all three crew. My heart goes out to all of the other crews, personnel, and family that are immediately affected by this tragedy. The rest of us have to re-look at our own flight programs and ask what we can do to fly more safely.

  • @agwheeler2000
    @agwheeler2000 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for bringing Scott back. His insight and perspective are so interesting.

  • @hellosunshine1090
    @hellosunshine1090 4 года назад +2

    Juan, Scott - I have profound respect for Helicopter operations & operators once again after hearing your discussion.
    And am reminded why I should NEVER be allowed near one !!!
    God bless you both for your invaluable contributions !

  • @Mike7478F
    @Mike7478F 4 года назад +1

    Magic post crash info. Superb Juan. Thanks Scott. Be safe.

  • @kevinallen1699
    @kevinallen1699 4 года назад +6

    I was wondering when we were going to see this. Thanks Juan.

  • @solomongabert6776
    @solomongabert6776 4 года назад +4

    Thank you for doing this.

  • @SmittySmithsonite
    @SmittySmithsonite 4 года назад +1

    RIP, Jason Knox.
    Thanks for the great explanation, as always, Juan. Thankfully that kind of failure is rare!

  • @Paul-td5ib
    @Paul-td5ib 4 года назад +3

    Thanks, Scott, for your inputs. Your explanations are very clear and certainly helps me understand how a helicopter actually works...

  • @bluedogreddogstumpy5868
    @bluedogreddogstumpy5868 4 года назад +2

    This is the only news channel I will watch now. Brilliant!

  • @johnaleaperwright2466
    @johnaleaperwright2466 4 года назад +25

    My Father was a experimental helicopter pilot and engineer in the 60s for Lear singlet! Her was a fighter pilot in the USMC! My swim coach too! Miss him

  • @starpoint2112
    @starpoint2112 4 года назад +7

    We in Houston are all mourning the loss of this crew.. The area the chopper went down in is the Greenspoint area. (just north of the Sam Houston beltway and just west of I-45 ) this area is southeast of Bush Intercontinental Airport (Airport designation KIAH)
    There are some high tension power lines that parallel the NORTH side of the Sam Houston Beltway & the transmission towers have marker lights. If you look at FlightAware for Bush airport air traffic does not vector southeast either in their approach or departure.
    God Bless these officer's and their families.

    • @59Alaskan
      @59Alaskan 4 года назад

      @@theenzoferrari458 there are those who do, but not all! Don't be an a$$!

  • @pamagee2011
    @pamagee2011 4 года назад +20

    Our maintenance officer in Germany was test flying a Huey when someone’s field jacket flew out the open door and jammed the tail rotor. Fortunately he was doing about 80 knots at the time and executed a running landing on a runway to save the day. Quite different than low and slow at night.

    • @bobshaw4063
      @bobshaw4063 4 года назад +1

      Paul Fellow Veteran Thank You for your Service . I'm a US Air Force Veteran & a VA Retiree as well . Where & when were you stationed in Germany ? I was @ Zweibrucken AB , Germany '73- ' 75 .

  • @bullitt7544
    @bullitt7544 4 года назад +4

    Such a cool 2 guys meet in the 80's story Juan. Helo's are one of the most fascinating machines I can think of. Scott was really cool and did a fantastic job of putting you in that cockpit moment with precise and clear thought patterns. Very neat. I would never get in one, unless it is beyond my control. No Way. The Flyer's of these machines are very methodical.

  • @aehrhardt8331
    @aehrhardt8331 4 года назад +1

    Very informative concerning helicopter flight tail rotor failure.. I like Scott's low key, calm composure explanations.

  • @alphasails2
    @alphasails2 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the update on chopper flying and risk.
    You definitely have the best connections in the business.
    Keep up the great work.
    🙏❤️👍

  • @adamb.1786
    @adamb.1786 4 года назад +2

    Thanks Juan & Scott.

  • @milehighed52801
    @milehighed52801 4 года назад +2

    Very informative report at neophyte level. Thanks to both Scott and Juan. Great channel! Best wishes to all those affected by Covid in the airline industry.

  • @jamesmccarthy6430
    @jamesmccarthy6430 4 года назад +5

    Deepest condolences to the family of Jason Knox. Juan, as always, excellent video and Scott Monroe is an excellent source of rotor knowledge for your program. The Helicopter appears to be an MD-530F model. I flew them in the FBI and we had all of our pilots annually go through factory training with MD helicopters in Mesa, Az. A really good helicopter for police/military work and generally pretty crash worthy. T/R failure at night, slow speed, low altitude a nightmare for even the most competent pilot. Igor Sikorsky found like other helicopter designers that tail rotors are a "necessary evil" for helicopters. McDonnell Douglas did away with the tail rotor in the MD 520N (Notar) model of this helicopters and got Phoenix PD to buy a bunch. I have flown them with the Phoenix PD and found them to have their own unique set of problems, and I personally preferred the 530F over the NOTAR. Other way to get rid of the tail rotor is dual rotors like the CH-47 Chinook (a helicopter capable of having a midair with itself if one of its many gear boxes lets loose) or counter rotating main rotors like the new Sikorsky S-97 Raider design. Unfortunately all these designs bring new sets of problems and complications (many more moving parts going in different directions) to the design of vertical lift aircraft. Good maintenance, intensive daily pre-flights, undergoing annual emergency training and understanding and staying out of the Height/Velocity curve as much as possible is the best way to fly these potentially dangerous beasts that need to constantly beat the air into submission to fly.

  • @williewright6836
    @williewright6836 4 года назад +12

    Work on chopper for 25 years, US Army. Was a crew chief, for Black hawk, Huey, and Chinook. The big problem we have watch for Trees.

    • @rattusnorvegicus4380
      @rattusnorvegicus4380 4 года назад +1

      & power lines...for urban work?

    • @generalsixty2133
      @generalsixty2133 4 года назад

      Ohhh that makes sense !! Trees are the reason the term 'CHOPPER' has been used all these years.

  • @chuckeberth4370
    @chuckeberth4370 4 года назад +1

    Rest in Peace to TAF Jason Knox and l prayers to his family. Great video Juan and good interview.

  • @timothypirnat3754
    @timothypirnat3754 4 года назад

    So sad. He was so young. Prayers and condolences to his family, friends, and coworkers.

  • @davidgilpin5200
    @davidgilpin5200 4 года назад +2

    I grew up in the Houston area. In the 1980s I worked in an office building in that area and had friends that lived in the apartment complexes near the incident site. This is the "Greenspoint" area, named for a now nearly dead shopping mall nearby. In the past 20 years or so - unfortunately - that area has gained the nickname "Gunspoint" (easily verified with a quick Google search.) The HPD helicopter was dispatched to the area on a report of bodies floating in a bayou nearby. When the story broke there were rumors that shots were fired at the helicopter, implying that gunfire may have been a factor in the crash. Since that time the news media has stated that gunfire erupted near the crash site AFTER the crash occurred... But they are still investigating, and Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo said (quoting ABC13) "It is not commonly known that law enforcement aviation comes under fire on a regular basis across our country."
    My thoughts and prayers are with the pilot who perished and his family, the officer who survived and his family - as well as first responders everywhere. They put their lives on the line every day for us.
    Keep the faith, Juan. I hope that you can get back on the flight deck soon, I'd love for you to be my AA 777 pilot!

  • @RKHarm24
    @RKHarm24 4 года назад +6

    My Helicopter Instructor in Dallas was retired DALLAS PD Air 1. Him knowing I was a LEO, he taught the way LE Aviation was most used. 2 of his stories were of engine failures in a 206 Jet Ranger. 1, he auto rotated into a school playground in the evening after school hours. 2 was at night around lots of high rise buildings and roads. He auto rotated into the middle of an intersection. Some traffic lights used to hang RED in all directions before changing green. He touched down at that exact moment. No collision between aircraft and vehicles. He did say there was honking and surprised drivers by the size of their eyes. The video of the HPD MD500 going round and around, I knew what had most likely happened. We practiced this procedure a lot. We auto rotated with simulated tail rotor failure, but not deeply. IIRC on the recovery when the Aircraft starts to turn at the bottom as you pull collective blip the throttle a little to halt the spin. Scot, correct me if I am thinking of something else. A year after I finished my check ride, another student was with an instructor practicing Auto rotation and didn't pull collective soon enough. This was a TH-55 Hughes 269. Still had the metal frame & canvas seat covers for such situations to help from a compressed back injury.

  • @ronmoore5827
    @ronmoore5827 4 года назад +2

    I was a helicopter crew chief in the Army from 77-80. We lost an aircraft to tail rotor failure with 3 fatalities. Turned out the 90 degree gear box had been improperly torqued and actually separated from the aircraft. The inspector who signed it it off never got over it. Same circumstance, not high or fast enough to really do anything about it. I agree we need Scott to provide info on all helicopter related incidents.

  • @Doxymeister
    @Doxymeister 4 года назад +6

    RIP, Officer Knox. Thank you Juan and Scott!

  • @usmcvet0313
    @usmcvet0313 4 года назад +1

    I pray God may bless the family of Officer Knox, and provide them with comfort in this tragedy.Thank you for your service Officer Knox, I hope & pray you are in paradise now.

  • @LiveDeerCamByCajun
    @LiveDeerCamByCajun 4 года назад +1

    thanks for the video

  • @pilotdane1
    @pilotdane1 4 года назад +59

    Remember, Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission.....

    • @darkiee69
      @darkiee69 4 года назад +10

      They're so ugly the ground repells them. ;)

    • @RKHarm24
      @RKHarm24 4 года назад +5

      Glides like a sewer lid

    • @dmn01
      @dmn01 4 года назад +7

      I've heard a variation of this. Helicopters don't obey the laws of physics, they beat them into submission.

    • @fuzzy1dk
      @fuzzy1dk 4 года назад +5

      @@darkiee69 I've heard people who build electronics for them say the shake so violently that the ground repels them

    • @pilotdane1
      @pilotdane1 4 года назад +1

      @@darkiee69 nice !!!!

  • @TonyStagge
    @TonyStagge 4 года назад

    Dialogue on left channel audio only...I had to use both earbuds. :) Another great video Juan. Thank you.

  • @markbell9742
    @markbell9742 4 года назад +2

    Heartfelt to HPD: family, friends, colleagues. Stay strong and keep-up the good work. Mark * * *

  • @davidyoder6174
    @davidyoder6174 4 года назад +21

    Juan - You used the term “Monkey Motions” - haven’t heard that in 50 years! Thanks for your good work.

    • @giannirocco9099
      @giannirocco9099 4 года назад +1

      I think Howard Cosell used that term and got fired

  • @spikydipple
    @spikydipple 4 года назад +1

    Great talk. Thanks.

  • @kevinvt4174
    @kevinvt4174 4 года назад +2

    Helicopter with no tail is a notar. Normal procedures for a Police dept is when on scene you enter an orbit (circle) above the location just in case you have an engine out (turbine) and you need to auto rotate to the ground. You need forward airspeed and the t-tail will keep the heli flying strait then when you are in a safe area with altitude you can auto rotate down knowing the craft will start to spin as soon as you start to pull collective. You can also do a running landing if it's safe to do so.

  • @rattusnorvegicus4380
    @rattusnorvegicus4380 4 года назад

    Lot of money for someone that can come up with an answer to tail rotor failure. All those inventions being created during lock-down...
    Love the air-blower chopper...every day`s a school day for me on Juan`s channel :)

  • @Bitterrootbackroads
    @Bitterrootbackroads 4 года назад +3

    Helicopter went down in Kamiah ID years ago due to a loose aluminum clip board left in the gear stowage area outside cockpit. It eventually flew out and hit tail rotor. Doesn't take much.

  • @richardschindler8822
    @richardschindler8822 4 года назад +1

    Thoughts and prayers go out to the family of true hero.
    As a commercial fixed wing pilot with over 22k hrs in my book I’ve never wanted to fly rotary wing aircraft. I have a total of about (1) one, whole hour in rotary wing, MBB 105, that’s enough for me. I don’t like looking up and seeing hundreds of rotating parts looking to beat themselves apart. I’m also a A and P and have worked on helicopters. Didn’t enjoy trust either.

  • @mattshaffer5935
    @mattshaffer5935 4 года назад +3

    I’ve never heard the term “End of watch”. So sad. Thank you.

  • @donkoh5738
    @donkoh5738 4 года назад +1

    condolences... with respect to this assessment, hopefully yes there will at least be a conclusive finding. I guess one could be curious to ask Scott, if a bird strike has ever before caused a tail rotor failure?? Very tragic but thank you for giving respect to the individuals and providing light on the eventual findings of the investigation. God speed

  • @TyphoonVstrom
    @TyphoonVstrom 4 года назад +4

    A couple more advantages of the tail fan/ NOTAR system (which interestingly enough, was popularised and most successful on this exact ((Hughes 500)) airframe) are vastly increased safety for ground handling and quietness. Both are huge benefits for landing areas in urban, built up areas. A significant amount of the noise of a helicopter is the tail rotor wash interacting with main rotor wash.
    If you've ever been around a NOTAR helicopter, the first thing that strikes you is a high pitched whine. Then you wonder what that whine is, and you realise the helicopter is so much quieter, you can hear the whine emitted from the main gearbox and turbine, they are that much quieter.
    If you want to see some of the most precise, accurate and skillful helicopter flying you'll ever see, watch one of the episodes of Magnum PI with the helicopter in it. In fact, there is a scene in the opening credits on a couple of seasons of the Hughes 500 coming out of a cutting by the side of a road and entering an accelerating turn to follow the road, with the rear of the main skid around a hand span off the road the whole time.

  • @kennethblackwell1137
    @kennethblackwell1137 4 года назад

    Well done.!! As always so sad to loose someone..!

  • @johns.1287
    @johns.1287 4 года назад +5

    Will you be having any discussion on the huey that went down in Mesa, AZ. Seems that too was a tail rotor failure.

  • @dx5018
    @dx5018 4 года назад +46

    That's really sad. Condolences to the families and friends.

  • @fredschwarz9502
    @fredschwarz9502 4 года назад +2

    I spent 4 years in a Kaman H-2 Seasprite squadron in San Diego in the '70s. The rotor system at that time, an improvement of previous versions, was labeled the -101 system. The reason for that designation, as the joke went: 101 useless parts had been eliminated from those earlier versions.

    • @fredschwarz9502
      @fredschwarz9502 4 года назад

      @ Plenty! And not just in the rotor system. First day at the squadron, as one of the Hooke 2's was taxiing out for take-off: one the main mounts broke off. Exciting.

  • @Halli50
    @Halli50 4 года назад +1

    Tail rotor failures seem to be in fashion these days, soon to be corrected. I'm told that if you have the speed OR altitude (not to mention if you have BOTH!) you can safely auto-rotate out of the condition - if you react correctly. I just love the back-and-forth between a helicopter pilot and a 777-pilot! For Juan, the concept of suddenly flying backwards and STILL BE FLYING and having some semblance of control is alien, he has evidently not been experiencing the "really-slow" regime of helicopters, the point being that if you are low enough and slow enough when shit happens, you are likely to stagger away in more or less one piece. Paragliders, hang gliders and even ultralights have been known to enter this silly condition, but the pilots have usually become mere passengers when that stage is reached. The important point is the fact that the speed is so low and, with the degree of PPE available and used, injuries are usually minimal.

  • @airkingflyer3515
    @airkingflyer3515 4 года назад +1

    Prayers go out to Officer Jason Knox and his family. Thank you for your service sir 🙏🙏🙏

  • @dennisharrington6055
    @dennisharrington6055 4 года назад +1

    Thanks

  • @PNW_Car_Mods
    @PNW_Car_Mods 4 года назад

    Very interesting watching the opening clip. I had not seen that yet. Poor guy knew something was wrong. I will say that in our operation we've probably operated 15 to 20 different helicopters across 5 bases and over 150k hours logged with never any sort of Tail Rotor failure. They are very reliable in that sense. Agusta and Airbus/EC products. That being said I also know of 3 different pilots that have had Tail Rotor failures on MD500 helicopters. Don't know if there was a common denominator to those failures but that airframe sticks out the most in my mind.

  • @dickfitswell3437
    @dickfitswell3437 3 года назад +2

    I live in Houston and didn't hear about this until finding it accidentally while searching for helo crashes.

  • @i.r.wayright1457
    @i.r.wayright1457 4 года назад +1

    I watched a Huey land without a functioning tail rotor in 1969 at Vinh Long Army Airfield. The pilot made the approach as if it was a fixed wing aircraft and kept the airspeed up above the minimum control speed for the emergency landing in that condition. Directional control was maintained by changing the engine power, once over the runway, but there was considerable yawing at the last 10 feet of altitude. He touched down with a bit of a jolt, but the PSP runway allowed the skids to slide along until it stopped. BTW, the OH-6A (Hughes 500) was a real blast so don't pass up the chance to go up in one.

  • @BooRadley452
    @BooRadley452 4 года назад +1

    Hi Juan!
    Thank you for your content.
    Me no helo...
    ;)

  • @adrenalinowner7992
    @adrenalinowner7992 4 года назад +1

    Juan at first I thought this was a VasAviation video, but glad I caught it anyways, cheers Alberta🇨🇦

  • @AviationNut
    @AviationNut 4 года назад

    Hughes MD520N and MD600N are NOTAR helicopters, which stands for "No Tail Rotor". A lot of pilots I talked to that fly or used to fly NOTAR helicopters say they prefer to fly helicopters with a tail rotor because tail rotors are more responsive to yaw movements and the tail rotor has more power then the fan in NOTAR helicopters.

  • @seanmcerlean
    @seanmcerlean 4 года назад

    Horrendous Juan.Thanks for the video & to your buddy Scott.Loved the bit about us fixed wing wings being terrified of Helicopters.
    i can relate to that.Deepest condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of thd officer killed in this crash.

  • @wasntmeXYZ
    @wasntmeXYZ 4 года назад +1

    About the only thing you’re going to do without a tail rotor is crash, it basically boils down to how bad will it be.
    Scott!! Good to see you again, glad you’re doing well after the GOM days.

  • @johnf8877
    @johnf8877 4 года назад +8

    There are several comments below, the guy screaming was just a guy outside not the crew.

  • @scotthagapac
    @scotthagapac 4 года назад +10

    I only wish all all incidents were explained like this. I understand the story without sensationalism.

  • @josephjolly1936
    @josephjolly1936 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for the video, to bad they

  • @jonjohnson2796
    @jonjohnson2796 4 года назад +2

    In the drawing at 6:40 it seems that they are showing tail rotor thrust "helping" the torque imparted to the air frame. I would assume they wanted to show the thrust counter to torque? Thank you first responders for risking your lives. Thank you J.B. for bringing data and your insights.

    • @jonjohnson2796
      @jonjohnson2796 4 года назад +1

      I just answered my own question. They are indicating airframe motion in reaction to tail rotor thrust. NVM.

  • @REDMAN298
    @REDMAN298 4 года назад +1

    There was a Sikorsky helicopter accident in Milwaukee years ago. It was lifting A/C units up to hi-rise buildings. It had a similar failure and the news showed it rotating several times before hitting the ground. The guy was lucky. The news said he was steering it clear of people. I thought that was B.S. and this clip proves it. He didn`t have a clue where he`d end up.

  • @av8tore71
    @av8tore71 4 года назад +2

    I'm looking at all of my log books (I have 11) and I have 4370.6 hours flying UH-60 in the Army for 20 years and 2247.7 hours of fixed wing so I'm not very scared of rotor wing but I know what you mean.

  • @MrMattumbo
    @MrMattumbo 4 года назад +7

    As a helicopter fan I really appreciate these deeper dives, although I wish it could be under better circumstances.

  • @mattklaski2398
    @mattklaski2398 4 года назад +4

    Mr. Browne, I had sound coming only from the left headphone, but ads were coming from both, you might wanna check the sound setup. Love from Van Nuys, CA

  • @peterhall6656
    @peterhall6656 4 года назад

    About 45 years ago I was involved in applying Fourier theory to signals coming from acoustic samplers attached to military helicopter gearboxes. The idea was to predict failure from the analysis of the acoustic signal. For instance a chipped tooth gives rise to a certain type of signature which would provoke a gearbox strip down. One of my colleagues got a patent on the system. I have raced rally cars for years but I will not get into a helo!! You can know too much. A few years ago I saw a documentary on an Agusta helo and was stunned to hear that the metallurgy had got to such a stage that the transmission can run without lubrication for 30 minutes. Condolences to the family of the officer just doing his difficult job.

  • @flightsaitek4087
    @flightsaitek4087 4 года назад +18

    On the interview, you added it was purely on the left channel. Which was strange, just heads up for the next interview, to check the audio settings when OBS (or the software) is recording. In post you can center the audio. Thanks for putting this together

    • @xeldinn86
      @xeldinn86 4 года назад +4

      Luckily I use Voicemeeter Potato and I can click a Mono button which puts it both channels :-D

  • @rbhoward9123
    @rbhoward9123 4 года назад +4

    Sad for the loss of Jason Knox. My uncle is a retired PD helo pilot.
    I thought the music selection was very touching to honor Jason's memory. The end credits only give the opening theme.
    Is there a name for this somber arrangement ?

  • @arykstrykker2330
    @arykstrykker2330 4 года назад +4

    In Germany in the 80's, I was along for the ride on a border patrol mission in an OH-58, when we had the primary tail rotor control jam, and had to fly home on backup cables. The running landing was exciting. RIP officer.

  • @lkm5462
    @lkm5462 4 года назад

    I practiced running landing for a couple hours in the service. In the Huey if your above 40 knots the ac stays air streamed and you crab and you do a running landing. We did it on gravels and skids, worked well.. Only autorotated once from an engine failure. Worked out fine. One IP I knew was so good he good autorotate and turn the aircraft 180 just prior to landing.

  • @larryschweitzer4904
    @larryschweitzer4904 4 года назад

    While in the Navy, I watched one of our helicopters sit down on the ocean after loosing the tail rotor. They deployed the flotation bags and kept the main rotor turning to stay upright. We sent a motor whale boat to take everyone off but the pilot. He had to jump in and get picked out of the water after the helicopter rolled over. We came along side the inverted helicopter to pick it up with the ships crane. The divers had to hook it up but the sharks kept circling and the divers weren't real hot on going in. I don't remember what they threw in the water to drive off the sharks, something that blew up under water. The helicopter was stripped of anything usable and the remains were dumped over the side. We were off the coast of Vietnam, 1965.
    While in Danang Vietnam I saw a small two rotor helicopter where the 2 rotors were set at an angle to each other and the blades passed through each others space. No tail rotor. Italian I think.

  • @tfilter6
    @tfilter6 4 года назад +1

    Good info Juan, always look for your info filled reports and explanations. Hate it that we lost an officer and hurt another. What happened to your audio? Intro and exit music were on both stereo channels, but the voice audio was only on one side.

  • @richlaw1427
    @richlaw1427 4 года назад +1

    As a former FAA operations inspector, I investigated a Jet Ranger that auto-rotated from a relatively low altitude. He hit hard enough to collapse one skid but was uninjured. The final findings? The pilot had carried his lunch in a plastic bag which was empty. The empty bag got sucked out of the helicopter and impacted the tail rotor. It sheared the drive shaft. It took lab analysis to detect minute plastic fragments embedded in the rotor leading edges.

  • @matthewdowd4686
    @matthewdowd4686 4 года назад +1

    Wow, so his reaction was soo real! It hurt to watch that crash!

  • @morthomer5804
    @morthomer5804 4 года назад +6

    Did you see the helicopter accident in Mesa AZ involving a Bell Huey. I think that there may have been an AD on the drive system. What is your take?

    • @RescueFrog
      @RescueFrog 4 года назад +1

      Mort Homer was just looking to see if anyone brought this one up

  • @LethalMercury
    @LethalMercury 4 года назад

    Helicopters blow my mind! I had an opportunity to get close and hands on with some blackhawks and apaches at a Utah Air National Guard Base. They were working on an engine from the Apache, and they aren’t much larger than a big block Chevrolet engine. I did notice that there was a warning on the tail rotor driveshaft that said “do not scratch”. That’s some sensitive balancing right there!

  • @rockinpiano1
    @rockinpiano1 4 года назад +1

    I almost went into the Army Warrent Officer program in 1966. It was fixed wing or helos at that time and I was pretty sure I'd get helos. Not that I didn't think helicopters would be fun to fly, but even when I was 18/19 years old, I had done enough hunting to KNOW what bullets do to aluminum.(;>) Now if they would have guaranteed me A-1's, I might have gotten froggy and jump at that! Soooo, I took the smart way(which wasn't normal for me) and joined the NAVY!.......................And NEVER set foot on board a ship in my whole 4 years!!!(;>)

  • @oldmech619
    @oldmech619 4 года назад +4

    I worked and flew helicopters for a few years many years ago. Lots of fun to fly. But I knew a lot of pilots who died flying them. Yeah, they are real dangerous.

  • @bjs2022
    @bjs2022 4 года назад +1

    Thanks. Left channel sound only for the interview.

  • @idanceforpennies281
    @idanceforpennies281 4 года назад +4

    I've just heard too many horror stories about helicopters to be tempted to get a licence. I'm not talking about the last 6 months, I'm talking about the last 30 years. I was the Quality Manager of an aircraft manufacturer and my second in command (who was a helicopter LAME and a fixed-wing PPL too) told me stuff and actual incidents that made my hair stand on end, just in my small state in Australia. I think helicopter pilots are very brave, Apart from being a fixed-wing pilot I'm also an MSc qualified mechanical engineer, and when I look at the complexity, I just shake my head. I can see failure paths all over the place - 1001 ways to die.

    • @MJTAUTOMOTIVE
      @MJTAUTOMOTIVE 4 года назад +1

      I totally agree with you on that. I am from Queensland and I have seen the Guys out west that heard cattle with them and those guys are nuts. Condolences to those involved with this accident.

    • @idanceforpennies281
      @idanceforpennies281 4 года назад

      @@MJTAUTOMOTIVE I'm a pilot and I just don't like something that flies 80% of it's time in its coffin corner. Call me crazy.

  • @christopherfitch7705
    @christopherfitch7705 4 года назад +1

    Sweet music at the end of this video

  • @104thDIVTimberwolf
    @104thDIVTimberwolf 4 года назад +18

    If the wings are flying faster than the fuselage, it's a helicopter and, therefore, unsafe.
    All kidding aside, though, Rest in Peace, Gentlemen.

    • @naughtyUphillboy
      @naughtyUphillboy 4 года назад +1

      @Pavel Manzhetov An airplane wants t GLIDE, a Helicopter wants to LAND.........autorotation.

    • @gunsaway1
      @gunsaway1 4 года назад +1

      A Chinook is referred to as inter smashing rotor blades

    • @driver4011
      @driver4011 4 года назад

      a plane can make an emergency landing if something goes wrong with the engine..... a helicopter can't.....just a hard crash landing with a bad ending.

    • @johanveltheim4331
      @johanveltheim4331 4 года назад

      @@driver4011 Not true, the engine-out landing is called autorotation and can be as soft as you want (at least if you have enough altitude to start with).

    • @rsrt6910
      @rsrt6910 4 года назад

      @@driver4011 Not true.
      To get my license, I had to do several engine failures for my DPE to prove I could land safely without an engine. One straight-in autorotation to the Compton airport runway and a second where he surprise rolled off the throttle over an industrial park and I had to turn around and land on a piece of road that was under construction.

  • @jamesedmister9922
    @jamesedmister9922 4 года назад

    Condolences to the officer's family, friends and colleagues.

  • @pavelavietor1
    @pavelavietor1 4 года назад +11

    Hello a bad day for the people of Houston Texas. My condolences. God Speed. Saludos

  • @user-nr3ss5hk9s
    @user-nr3ss5hk9s 11 месяцев назад

    Juan you hit the nail on the head. As a fixed wing pilot I hate helicopters I know how important they are for rescue ops but there are to many ways for it to crash

  • @duanequam7709
    @duanequam7709 4 года назад

    So do you think that this is another case of more training required? it seen like many of the recent aircraft v tera firma have been in that category.
    Thanks again for a informative report

  • @aviatorel32
    @aviatorel32 4 года назад +1

    Condolences to the family. As for discussion, what about Kamov design helicopters with contra rotating rotors, like KA-32 or KA-52? I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention those.

  • @bcraig7557
    @bcraig7557 4 года назад +1

    Do you have any information on our Canadian helicopter crash in the Mediterranean? It was on Nato exercises last week.

  • @melivey4196
    @melivey4196 4 года назад

    Odd: the interview video is missing entirely when played on my iPhone 6s ios 13.4.1, using either the youtube app or chrome browser. The lead-in and music fore and aft are just fine. But on my Windows 10 laptop, the entire audio plays great. Anyone else?

  • @vonmazur1
    @vonmazur1 4 года назад

    I had several T/R failures in the Army...With luck we survived...One at a hover and one in forward flight...

  • @richard66754
    @richard66754 4 года назад

    McDonald Douglas thrust vectoring tail rotor. Amazing someone hasn’t tried this before now.

  • @alexx86hater
    @alexx86hater 4 года назад +2

    Would be interesting to hear what Scott thinks about counter rotating rotor helicopters like Ka-25 or twin rotors like Chinook

    • @rsrt6910
      @rsrt6910 4 года назад

      If you want a real head scrambler, check out the intermeshed main rotors of the K-Max.

  • @ldtenenoff
    @ldtenenoff 4 года назад +1

    just invaluable info Juan thanks as always , R u buying airline stocks these days?