Kobe Bryant S-76B UPDATE 31 Jan 2020
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Special Guest-Scott Monroe -Professional Helicopter EMS pilot.
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I rode with many Army pilots in 1970-71. They not only had to fly the chopper (usually overloaded ) flying in formation, and people shooting at you trying kill you. My hats off to these guys they are fantastic. The man who came and got me out when I was wounded his chopper received 30 plus hits and a wounded door gunner. This man and crew were killed several days later before I had a chance to thank them. They gave me 48 more years of life they did not get, I think of those guys every day. Hopefully when I pass I will be able finally thank them.
Tommygunner 💖💖💖Fantastic story! Bless him. Bless you. 💚Thanks for sharing! And Thank you 💜 for your service! 😘
Richard Nixon’s role in extending the war in Vietnam makes him the worst modern president, I think
I am a retired USAF pilot, having flown F4s and F-111Ds, and served as a T-37 instructor for four years. I was mesmerized by the discussion. So incredibly spontaeous, like sitting around hangar flying on a rainy day. Felt like I was a part of it. No BS, just very informal, but damned professional. One of the best damned things I have seen on RUclips.
Juan Browne is THE go-to source of discussion in matters of aviation, IMHO. I was never a commercial/military pilot, and it was interesting to get your take on this - my responses have been invariably the same as yours. Best wishes - maybe you can tell us a few anecdotes about your career at some stage!
My dad instructed in the T-37 at Lackland in the 60's. Where were you an instructor?
JB is always on point, no BS.
@@chrislannon : Would that be Lackland AFB in San Antonio, TX? Both my parents had served on that base. Yep, I'm "military brat". I love Texas. I miss it.
LCToner Yes. He also instructed at Laredo and we were stationed in Ramstein, Germany. That’s where I spent most of high school.
I sent a link to this video to a friend who is a former US Coast Guard helicopter pilot. He replied, "All the instrument rated helicopter pilots who’ve flown at low level using visual references in marginal and deteriorating weather knew what happened as soon as they heard the details of the crash. There was not the slightest doubt. The helicopter pilot in the video got everything exactly right."
Spacial disorientation?
Cary Swoveland so are they saying he loss control or did he lose control after hitting a mountain?
@@kenyatucker4759 lost control in the fog, thought he was flying straight while heading downward into the hillside.
Jason thank you 😢
@@jason5409 This is exactly what I said to people that asked me what I thought happened.... Thanks Jason for this response.💯
As someone who's never flown in anything, and has no knowledge of flying what so ever, these guys made it easy to understand. I appreciate that, the whole video was done do respectfully and factual.
When you have this type of interview, allowing very intelligent pilots to explain these type of accidents, it gives new meaning. No finger pointing just the facts of the dangers of flying at the wrong place at the wrong time. Thank you for airing👍
@Xalpha23 I'd agree. However, it is how they are preventing the case. And leting us draw our own conclusions based of of what has beeing presented.
Yes, he was an idiot
Phil Bledsoe this is good stuff.
Na they definitely fault the pilot , he was ultimately responsible for all of their lives and his own.
Phil Bledsoe : SPEAK🚁🚁🛩️🛩️✈️🛑🚧 PHIL B'!!!!
Not a pilot but have been searching for reasons this flight ended tragically. This interview is everything that you need to know about this accident. Well done.
This was a great guest that Juan had on the channel. One thing to keep in mind is that Juan and Scott are discussing the likeliest possibilities. No one was in that helicopter besides the 9 people that are unfortunately no longer with us. Given that there was no voice or data recording to speak of, we may possibly never know what really happened.
I hadn't thought of the vortex ring state issue as a fixed wing pilot. As much of a tragedy as this accident was, I do hope they find the cause so it can be addressed for future operations.
My opinion is that Special VFR shouldn't be legal for 135 (commercial) operations. Some 135 operators will even have that in their company manual, that Special VFR is forbidden on live legs.
@Dale Anderson 100%
Disagree. While these guys are clearly experienced and knowledgeable pilots, this discussion does not go deeply enough into WHY or HOW in the final few moments the pilot would've rocketed up in altitude several thousand feet only to then immediately pitch the helicopter's nose down towards the ground (while banking left) at an incredible speed until impact. This conversation glossed over this critical issue.
@@thetoughgroup No one knows that and I don't think Juan and Scott were trying to say that they were wrapping up the accident investigation with their video.
I was only replying to @cayenneoSaurusRex because non-pilots wouldn't know how deep of a subject this accident investigation really is. And while Juan is amazing at reporting the aviation news in a great way, I don't think he meant to allude that this was all anyone needed to know.
However, I do think this is THE go to channel for actual facts about aviation accidents and the timelines of recent events.
@@thetoughgroup They did mention a circumstance of trying to climb in a slow hover but not having the forward speed to maintain control. Maybe he lost control in a situation like this and shot straight into the hillside when trying to recover.
Scott is a terrific guest to have. His easy, straight-forward demeanor is perfect for enlightening me on the ins and outs of helicopter operation. Hope you have him on again.
I'm a helicopter pilot trained by the military and flew in Vietnam in mountainous terrain. When it was a nice day I would practice flying on instruments. It was a refresher for me so I would never be hesitant to go IFR if needed. This was important due to monsoon conditions that required us to scud run during combat operations. These conditions, for years in Vietnam, took the lives of many helicopter crews in mountainous terrain.
After the war I was an ATP in the Bell 212, the S76 and the Agusta 109. All three had auto pilot systems and I flew hundreds of hours IFR in these aircraft as well as VFR. Many times I flew from a remote area to another remote area in low VFR conditions during search and rescue operations. When I suspected low visibility I made a point to contact someone in the area where I was headed for their help in the local visual conditions.
Juan, I'm so happy you had Scott in this hangar talk. His emphasis for some IFR refresher is a wake up call for many VFR helicopter pilots.
It was my understanding, while reviewing the radar from this flight, the aircraft was still at approximately 130 knots. The accident site shows the aircraft was traveling at a good clip when he contacted the hill. Too fast in low visibility conditions. It is also my opinion he never had a plan B or kept in mind that a turn to the right while climbing would have been over lower terrain if he transitioned to his instruments. He apparently, after going full IFR, tried to look for visual contact to the ground and lost control.
gary grant Gary! Thank you for sharing. I have a question. I heard the helicopter was dropping at 4,200 ft per minute. At that descent would the pilot and/or passengers know they were descending? Could the pilot have gotten disoriented and not know he was descending? Thank you for the insight 🙏
I'm not a veteran or piolt.
However, it is my understanding the piolt of Mr. Bryant's chopper was experienced with the area.
From experience, I can say experience can become tainted with over confidence, which can result in personal injurt, equipment damage... fatalities at worst.
Though in my case, a damged MTB (Mountain Bike) and and minor injuries was my consequence.
I have friends who are Vietnam veterans.....
@@adamdunlaptv excellent questions, I have been wondering the exact same things. I hope someone can answer them!
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 indeed, it seems likely this was a contributing factor.
I’m 34 and thought I was getting old. These guys have been high school buddies since before I was born. Thank you for making me feel young again.
Wait til you've had your commercial ticket for 50 yrs. 😁😁😁
Yea i read this same post on a previous video
You grounded ,now clean up you room and go to bed.
You're younger than my kids. Juan would be my little brother
A lot of you youngsters don't understand or appreciate the value of experience. Us old guys, if we still have all our senses and haven't dulled them with 50 years of alcohol, tobacco, self-deception, pussy whipping, and age-related mental complacency, have seen it all and registered it all in the computer so that we see all the possibilities coming; the best old guys among us prepare for EVERY possibility (because those who didn't are dead by now), calculate a probability for each possibility, make a choice on the most likely., and ALWAYS be right (because they're still here). You youngsters see "through a glass darkly," but us old guys see "face-to-face."
This pilot told the Truth.. You can tell in his face he didnt want to say but he kept 100.... The pilot lost control
Yap is true stupid pilot I don't believe the news said he was the best helicopter pilot
@@acemurphy2 that's pretty solid proof actually.
Exactly! Everyone else has been skating around the fact that something was amiss with the pilot, but this guy kept it real.
Well, he could have been flying the heli in control but blindly, and hit terrain. Thats the question. As they say, he was ii (and instrument instructor). Since he dropped altitude so fast may mean loss of control, but could also mean he thought he was flying level in a 180 turn, and didn't feel they were dropping. Thats my main question. Which one happened?@@acemurphy2
There is something real spiritual about the ending of this video ...😇 ... you know the whole part when he got into the plane .. from starting it up as you watch the propeller start to spin in position to the man actually going down the path runway and taking flight into the air ... I watched this whole video discussion and found it to be one of the most important and interesting and factual straight to the point interviews ... bless both of these men for coming up with the take into flight scene ...I cried when I watched it ... the take off sets a brief picture and puts a memory in your mind about the last time Koby Bryant and the little girls 👸👱♀️👩🦰...the women 🙋♀️🙎♀️👩🦱and fathers🤴🧔 and pilot 👮♂️took their last flight 😥😭 ... may they all rip and may God bless all of their friends and families. 🙏
This is incredible. THIS is what journalism should aspire to accomplish. Scott is such a knowledgeable, reasonable and rational guy. His calm, matter-of-fact, no sensationalism perspective was truly a joy to watch. I can't effectively describe how good this video is. Wow.
Same! Loved it! Learned so much.
Hell yes!!!
And Juan is an excellent "moderator" for an interview like this, quickly injecting things like what this or that acronym means. To the non-pilot like me, it greatly aids my understanding of the technical discussion.
Watched it already more than 10 times🙈 it’s so enjoyable.
I feel so sorry for the pilot's family who has to live with the fact that he flew the helicopter that most likely caused the death of so many people. I wish strength and comfort for all involved.
It wasn't just the pilot's fault. There's a problem in the system as they discussed toward the end. We need to either require sufficient training for VFR into IMC or issue mandatory grounding of choppers in fog. Make the system idiotproof.
REST IN PEACE to all the souls they were inside 😢🙏
I'm sure at least one of the families will be filling a law suit.
where are the pilot family? why no one has interviewed
@@user-tq7nx1yr4j nothing the pilot's family can say as they were not there when it happened and obviously mourning as well. Whether it was pilot error or not, I feel a lot of sympathy for his family as well. He was the pilot for many years for Kobe.
I’m very greatful for ems pilots like him. They saved my life by getting me to a specialized spinal hospital within 15 minutes of my car accident and extraction. Scoby Newman- Erlanger medical center Chattanooga,TN.
My car accident was 1 hour away (by road) in NW Georgia and he got me there in 15mins. Thank you.
You should drive more careful
Nathan Clark wtf? You assume this happens more than once for me? I was 16. Obviously I slowed down. It’s was a fatal car accident that took the life of my best friend. Your a dumbass. I suffer from ptsd and spinal cord injuries that caused permanent paralysis. Maybe you should think before you speak/type. It’s called an accident. Something you’d never survive.
Sorry to hear what happened to u but I am glad u made it and are able to tell your story. Very inspiring especially to people that go in that field.
@MommasBaconGaming / Glad you’re still with us and I hope you get better with each day. I was a passenger on one of those “rides” myself so I can understand what you’re saying. Totally agree. Ignore the idiots and hang in there.
Chris No thank you very much for your kind words and I tell every young person just to drive safe and slow. I want them to be safe and not go through what I did. Thank you man
I have absolutely no knowledge of how flight works but am able to get a general idea thanks to this video.
As a former US Army Master helicopter SP/IFE with over 5600hrs, this was right on point! Thanks for taking the time to inform the masses with the right knowledge! There is just so much speculation as to WHY the pilot but not enough questions as the WHAT! You now have a new follower!
Its Good to hear from all of You guys that are professional's...
Thank you for your service good sir.
I just learned more about this crash and helicopters then combined watching all the mainstream news outlets 😬
You guys are really good together explaining all the facts about flying and are entertaining. Thank You kindly for this video.
Not sure if entertaining is the right word in the grand scope of why they are doing this video.
Enerio Romero
Well they are not BORING 😳
They got my Attention....
I was listening the entire time entertain can be considered funny/good /bad/ etc suspense and so on nowadays. Entertaining someone who is inspired and wants to be a pilot or entertaining of how something is played out and the entertaining within the conversation of what actually took place.
@@1handsmoke565 not trying to be critical just the PR guy in me 🤣🤣
Congrats on a great interview!
Scott obviously doesn't need a "degree" to make it very clear to anyone listening that he is a top-of-the-line, extremely qualified, no-nonsense professional in what he does for a living.
Has a 2 year degree...solid SA there champ.
That guy (Scott) was really clear and really right-to-the-point. I liked him a lot.
I'll take a 2 yr degree or no degree pilot with demonstrated competence and experience over lesser experience college degree pilots all day long. I have 4 degrees and retired out of the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry. Some of the most competent people I worked with had no degrees and heavy ojt and experience. We also had many graduate and PhD folks, none better, some knuckleheads. Great discussion, thank you both for your service and expertise.
Thehistoryprof I work for Pharmerica and agree.
Just goes to show you that college isn't the only place to get an education. And not all college educations really mean anything. Education often comes from those who have learned the hard way through many years of hands on practical learning.
The most calm sit down I’ve seen so far explaining everything that could and did happen. Love that you don’t jump to conclusions. Thanks for all this info!
I had no idea about IFR and VFR till Kobe's helicopter crashed. Probably watched everything about it. This one is the best.
I am a fixed wing pilot and this is absolutely invaluable information from an experienced helicopter pilot. Great stuff.
Same here. Never liked helicopters especially ones the Army maintained. I always say there are no unnecessary parts on chopper and they all need to keep working with each other to keep the thing in the air. Or as ANG pilots I knew liked to say-- a chopper is just parts flying in formation.
im a helicopte pilot and its news to me thats not a negative comment, its a learning curve
Oldsmobile69 Which is why he said an EMT pilot has to do a check ride on your instrument rating every six months. Don’t use it you lose it.
LuvBorderCollies Ditto. My experience as an artillery forward observer in a helicopter was sitting in the damn thing and watch the screws vibrate out. This was in piston helicopters and don’t know if it applies to turbine powered. Seems it was 4 hrs of maintenance for one hr of flying.
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Fantastic interview....please do more with this guy...covering many topics in aviation.. great work thanks for sharing.
First class reporting/educating the public. Who needs CNN, ABC, NBC... when we have this ?
Koski Co I don’t think he was intending to belittle him. He was just speaking facts lol. Take it easy.
Prison Mike it either was unnecessary or he wanted to point out that you can still go this career path even without finishing college.
Juan Browne is the BEST Reporter on RUclips..!
I agree this more slowly paced discussion of the accident by two different pilots was excellent at giving understanding and insight. It's apparent the questions were planned and sequenced in a manner that added to our understanding without creating additional questions.
Being a fixed wing pilot with just a little rotor craft experience I give them high marks. They explained where they positively knew answers, cautioned where there were possibly more than one answer and totally refused to commit to answers where it couldn't be know with current data. Well done.
You two are great together u should do more videos
Juan I enjoyed your conversation with Scott regarding this accident. I'm a retired offshore helicopter pilot, dual rated ATP. I found interesting his comments about lack of proficiency in IFR operations for many helicopter pilots. In the offshore industry IFR operations are used daily with most of the medium and large helicopters. There is a well developed offshore IFR system. Pilots flying IFR offshore get gobs of actual since the highest altitudes flown are below 10,000 feet.
I agree with Scott when he said the pilot of the a/c was not in control when it hit the ground, as many have labeled this a CFIT accident when it wasn't. A sad accident that could have been avoided. Thank you for your coverage of the accident and thanks also for Scott and his input.
You're right, in fact the Gulf of Mexico off shore work is the best place to gain real IFR that's where I got the majority of mine flying the S-76 and the ECC-225 Puma.
don schlessinger so this could of be avoided
Different operating areas I guess. Offshore rig flying is a lot different from sightseeing tours for celebrities...
Karmen K ..Yes it could have been avoided had he not proceeded into that situation. Just like what Scott said, this really was not avoidable after he positioned the aircraft in that particular situation....slow or attempted hover (at which time he would not have known whether he was going forward, backwards or side to side) with terrain obscuration. Could he have pulled it off? Yes, he could have absolutely got lucky, but again as said, that’s not the way you can look at these things. You have to tell yourself...if I get myself into this situation we are going to crash. You can’t look at it as a percentage of maybe or getting lucky. If that type of mindset doesn’t kill you that specific time, it absolutely will eventually, and almost certainly sooner than later.
Exactly you don't guess with other lives at stake.
Fantastic edition Juan, thank you. I trained as a low level bomber pilot in the RAF many moons ago and we practised endlessly for low-level VFR to IFR pull ups. They were hard work and a major emergency in our very congested controlled airspace. You might just be on the correct track with your Recency and Competency line of thinking.
As a retired helicopter pilot with over 17,000 hours in a lot of helicopters, this is a very good interview. As an IFR captain of the S76 A++; C+;C++ and S92, I can tell you we had a "RIG APPROACH" in the S92. This had a Doppler indication which activated below 55 kts and was the only way you knew if and how much you were moving. This allowed you to operate offshore in 200 ft and 1/4 mile to land on an oil platform.
Juan, Our Daughter’s life was recently saved by a Medi-Vac helicopter. She experienced a ruptured brain aneurysm she was flown to a major hospital capable of such a massive surgery and after a month in the hospital she is recovering as expected. We thank god for helicopters and their pilots!!
Thank you for all you do to provide QUALITY, non sensational, information!
Please get him on again. Love learning about helicopters.
Awesome to see a true friendship, so hard to find these days. Two great guys.
I don't fly nor into aviation, however I have a deep love for aviation. I'm into automobiles. This interview was incredibly informative and help's me to understand more. I have been following every single detail on this tragic tragedy on January 26th. I have been seriously taken aback by it. I remember it was a Sunday and I was working at The Theatre. Suddenly I began to daze at a young man staring at his phone and I just knew Immediately something was wrong. I asked him what's wrong and was there anything I could do to be helpful. He began to tell me that Kobe Bryant was in terrible accident in the air. I paused and just tried to keep breathing because I felt so overwhelmingly sick to my stomach . THANK you for your continued updates on this tragedy. This interview was amazingly honest and informative and I'm grateful!!! ♡♡♡
I love to hear experts talk. So refreshing.
No one on earth can beat the mother of nature. The best solution is delaying or canceling the flight; otherwise, you are risking your life.
Why didn't they just fly up the coast following the beach instead of going across lax & van Nuys airspace?
You risk your life every time you leave the house...Good judgement and training rules every time.
Richard Morris Why didn't they fly slow when there is a heavy foggy weather?
@@joestuehmer7967 It all adds up. There is little confusion - just a sorting of details - amongst those with the requisite knowledge. Leave all the stupid conspiracy theories at Alex Jones's house.
@Joe Stuehmer Why is it a setup?
Man listening to this tells me flying a helicopter is hard and dangerous
Well seeing as you don't even know the difference between flying and driving, I would have to agree and say it would difficult for you especially.
Well... I don't speak pilot but I wasn't confused by what was being said in this video. So 👍👍👍👍
Nicole Clark me to. It will help reading some of the post.. There are pilots here that was posting comments in layman terms.
Thank you gentlemen. This is what is all about. To judge is for God, to learn is for pilots. Hats off! A very honest conversation.
Thank you, Juan and Scott, for letting us listen in on your conversation. The distinctions in your training and experience underscore again that there are such a huge number of variables that are faced by pilots, requiring second-by-second responses.
Another excellent discussion with excellent content. Thank you!
Great interview. Thanks. As a pilot and instrucor for 55 years I have to comment on the judgement part of flying. Pilots don't accidentally fly into IFR weather conditions. They can look out the window and decide to turn around or proceed. It's a judgement call, and is influenced by ego, and a "gotta get there" attitude. No amount of training or regulation can offset a poor decision by the pilot. It's tragic for the passengers and their families.
I'm a heli flyer (though with nothing like Scott's experience or skill). I thought everything he had to say was very well expressed.
I thought Scott Monroe was great and so very interesting. He gave fearless and terrific insight into the probable cause of this accident. Fantastic work!
Thanks, Juan, for a great discussion with Scott. Scott's a pro who tells it like it is. Much needed and much appreciated. I knew the pilot in the tragic accident was instrument qualified and also an instrument instructor but did not realize how infrequent he flew in actual IFR conditions. We will probably hear how little experience he actually had achieved. Very sad. Dean from Minnesota
Thank you Juan, for introducing Scott Monroe . He is a credit to his profession. It was my privilege to listen to his and your comments.
Excellent video. Well done guys. I have been a pilot for 42 years professionally (fixed wing) and learned something today from you two.
RIP KOBE and GIGI and everyone involved.
Purple Flower nonsense. They’re straight forward and to the point. To suggest they don’t have empathy for the victims is foolish. Apparently you haven’t watched any of his other videos on the incident.
Without a doubt the most educational discussion from an aviation perspective about the tragedy. Well done!
A privilege for novices like myself, thanks again guys.
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Buddy Holley, Jim Croce, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Tony Lima, Patsy Cline, Otis Redding, Carol Lombard... there are SO many more artists all lost to aircraft accidents
Captain Nice ritchie valens
Ricky Nelson, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3 members), Big Bopper. Plus all the pilots, and other passengers. Don't forget 8 others besides Kobe, including 3 kids!
Lynyrd Skynyrd, 1977
Glenn Miller and flight crew, travelling to France from UK to make arrangements for entertaining troops in Europe, 15 December 1944, lost over the English Channel. RIP to all aboard.
Airline, train, car fatalities are all horrendous. No one knows the hour/manner of our last day. Be nice if we all could go peacefully. Sadly 😔😢 not all will. Rest In Love.
great video, Juan. One of your best. Thank you!
I was faced with a similar situation a few years ago. I was at John Wayne and going to San Luis Obispo with a stop to pick up a passenger at Camarillo. It was clear at John Wayne but socked in over downtown LA with the top at about 3000 feet. Some of the locals said I should go special VFR and follow I-5 to 101 and follow it, said they did it all the time. I declined and filed IFR. Took about twice as long but I felt safe.
Myself and a friend took off from John Wayne and the weather closed in at Camarillo. I told my buddy flying it was at minimums, we were on a current IFR plan. He responded that it was way below his minimums then. We landed at Van Nuys, my wife picked us up.
@@ko9446 sometimes it requires the courage to recognize where the line is and stick to it depsite the pressure to complete the mission.
Human nature is not to inherently fail or give up easily.
Trying to explain that to a client in rapidly changing conditions can be difficult when one is trying to get out of a serious situation.
KOBE'S pilot could NOT file for IFR, the company didn't allow it, so maybe he should have just bagged the flight, if not at John Wayne airport then certainly at Van Nuys airport.
@@bookwormdoe1522 hindsight is usually 20/20. It's sad and unfortunate that someone experienced failed to recognize limitations to turn back...
One of your best Juan, you are kicking it to a whole new level. The interview format with specialists in their fields is very interesting to us non aviation types. Scott seems to be a top bloke and like you quite humble, utube needs a button beyond thumbs up, it's just not adequate enough.
It took me a while to be able to watch this video, I'm glad I did, good information for someone like me that knows nothing about helicopters or aviation. Thanks for your time guys. My heart is still hurting, I wish the outcome was different, thanks again for your prospective without being disrespectful to the deceased.
VFR in IMC in any machine is a very dangerous situation. I remember my FI telling me, There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. But there aren't any old, bold, pilots. Always err on the side of caution. It isn't a guarantee of safety, but it sure does increase your odds to fly another day.
and I might add, to live another day! Absolutely, he should have been going slower into that area, then as it began to get foggier, he could have either turned around or hovered and landed, PERIOD.
Juan, you have really outdone yourself this time! I laughed, I cried, it was awesome! You and Scott together were _great!_ Scott's flyaway and the end music chosen, with it's slow, thoughtful demeanor gives a professional polish that pushes the whole production, and you, into a whole new kind of _great._ Just wow.
BeechComer I fully agree with your comments. Just awesome production, Juan, you are really good at what you do and this channel is source of good common sense aviator knowledge and lessons to be learned by all of us (aviators). Well done!!
Awesome comment BeachComer.
“Training issue!” Pretty much sums up most of the problems in aviation today. Awesome interview!
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I don't think that's unique to today.
Training issue equals money.......more training?..more money. Company sees training as less profit.
This accident was not caused by a "training issue." It came about due to a poor judgement issue... poking his nose into somewhere he should not have.
Sensitively presented. Thank you Juan, Scott. Always hard having to breakdown aspects of an accident as it involves your peers and colleagues.
im not a pilot but i do find this guy very interesting to listen he talks in easy to understand terms for us everyday ppl that dont fly
Great stuff as usual Juan! Just plain no BS information from two professionals who KNOW what they're talking about rather than a bunch of hot air from those who've never really walked the walk! Also, it's 100% correct that flying IFR IS a perishable skill. Even flying fixed with and flying needles takes regular practice. Flying the helo and having to literally "balance" it within a small margin with no visual cue is EXTREMELY difficult if you're not doing it regularly. Very nice V Tail! I've flown one for a friend who wanted to come to Air Venture but had a scheduling conflict at the last minute so he flew it to Rockford where I flew it up with the mass arrival then he came up a couple days later.
True enough... but the Real Monster lurking in the mist, is the immediate transition from VFR to IMC...
Do they not have a yaw indicator or whatever its called like a plane? Shouldnt matter if your blind or not, your artificial horizon will tell you if your levelled out.
@@ChuckBeefOG However when you're hovering there's no real instrument which tells you if you're slipping fwd or to the side. Remember, balancing a helicopter is much more difficult than a fixed wing aircraft. As mentioned, once you're below 30kts or so, almost all of the flying is done visually using cues outside the cockpit unless you're flying a very specialized (and usually military) helo.
Although not a helo pilot, I spent some time in CH-46's in the Navy as an extra for a few flights during any down time and while conducting VERTREP ops ship to ship. I learned how delicate that balance is and how critical having very good hand-eye-foot coordination is.
This has to be my favorite episode. Two great friends talking and teaching us. great job! 👍
This guy is super smart and very cool to listen to! Thanks for having him on your channel
I'm just baffled as to why anyone would give this a thumbs down.
Hahaha precisely.. as Kobe once said, where all surrounded by idiots
Broadcast news reporters.
Juan I continue to be impressed by your knowing exactly what is important for this channel. This is one of the best of the best of insight episodes you have produced. Keep the real insights coming you are a master at this...... Scotty
Great interview! If only the “professional “ media could put together accurate concise reporting like this. And Scott was excellent. He said it like it is. So refreshing. Most non pilots don’t understand how perishable an instrument rating can be if you don’t routinely use it.
When I got my fixed wing instrument rating, I purposely extended my training over more than a full year in order to gain experience in all types of weather, rain, low viz, snow, icing etc. it was invaluable. I think often pilots who have the rating, but no experience, are more likely to get into serious trouble if they encounter IMC.
Bill Moran Your thought provoking comment clarified for me that “Professional Media” serves a different master and purpose (Ratings / Dollar$).
Professionally, These guys motives and values are more noble AND Valuable.
Rating vs real experience is like a surgeon that has only operated on a frog.
Even though I was only able to understand about 40% of what you're saying, this video was 100% more informative than any of the MSM reports. Thank you for this.
CNN Are you people watching? This is called an interview. It's what real news channels do.
billion watches CNN... just 1 mio here... obvious answer to you what public likes
Martin Fox News are you watching!
Thank God for new media, RUclips, and all new tech offering us these options. Sadly, our families, friends and neighbors don't know how to consume media in this new way. Its like living on another planet. It has made it much harder for me to communicate with others, given they know little about the deeper truths underlying most topics.
Martin get a life I know you love Fox News but now is not the time to throw shots at CNN🙄
CNN caters to the "that's too hard to understand" idiots. With Juan, we get calm, dispassionate discussion of the technical side of flying. It's a fantastic YT channel, the sort of thing that YT could use more of. EDIT: to be fair, ALL TV stations cater to this "too hard to understand" mentality. The common man doesn't really care about the intricacies of flight so they don't seek out the Juan Browns in the YT universe for actual tech-filled analysis.
As usual you have provided an incredible amount of detail you can't find anywhere else. Also pulling in an expert with his wealth of knowledge was a fantastic thing to do. Thank you for enlightening everyone.
I was thinking the same, and wondering how this accident sounded in the msm. Good for me I don't know how they covered it.
@@duster0066 You certainly are not missing anything! But the good news is that the MSM is taking some responsibility for its errors (which, unfortunately, Kobe's family said have added to their pain) by holding journalists accountable who misreported critical info. One, for example, was Matt Gutman at ABC who was suspended after erroneously reporting that all four of Kobe's daughters died in the crash. And several outlets have actually summarized reporting errors made in the initial hours after the crash - emphasizing how important it is to wait for fact verification. This is one of the very few times that I've seen the MSM actually take appropriate responsibility for some of its misreporting!
just listening I have to applaud the coast guard rescue people who fly and hover while swimmers and all are out the door while in rain and winds.
Right!
Yes indeed...
You would think it Proves that fog is a cakewalk...
@@jeromegarcia5396 (1) USCG helicopters are _well equipped_ for the kind of flying they do.
(2) Beyond a certain distance offshore, USCG helicopters have to have another USCG aircraft - usually a fixedwing asset - flying with them for when they are down low over the water, especially when hovering.
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman so nobody has answered my question, maybe you can,
Is it possible the pilot had a medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke and possibly calapsed on the panel creating the turn, or possibly Kobe or someone trying to get control? Could that have been the pilots last effort was witnesses said it was almost hovering, probably looking for a place to land, but didn't before passing out?
Excellent interview with your friend Scott. My husband is "high time" retired helicopter pilot who was an ARMY Captain who flew Chinooks and later flew Part 135 helicopters for over 20 years working primarily in the western states fighting fires, law enforcement, back country flying for park service, working with the NTSB to haul wreckage out of Kearsage Pass and other places in the Sierra Nevada mountains, snow surveys, the list goes on and yes - television. Through the whole interview my husband was nodding YES to everything Scott was saying. They were on the same page. Finally an interview with a helicopter pilot who has been around the block and knows his stuff! Yes, helicopters are a different animal from fixed wing. Thanks to you and Scott for being straight forward and frank on a sensitive and still very raw subject. On a lighter note...he can fully identify with Scott regarding flying for TV stations.
Hmmm. Let's not throw the pilot under the bus too quickly. Kobe trusted only this pilot. The pilot was familiar with the area and terrain. He not only was Intstrument rated but an Instrument INSTRUCTOR! I'm pretty sure he knew how to get out of trouble if he accidentally goes IFR. If you are climbing out of trouble you stay on a compass heading - you Don't turn! I'm pretty sure he would notice the altimeter unwinding instead of climbing. What if the stress of the situation gave this experienced pilot a heart attack or stroke? You know, circling for 15 minutes, deteriating weather, trying to stay VFR, trying to get an important client to their destination on time, (Perhaps they wanted to practice before the game at noon), accidentally getting IFR was just too much stress. The whole flight was slow except for the last few minutes. Why? Not to excelerate to get out of trouble, but the craft was out of control with a dead man on the stick. Just saying. RIP for all on board.
@@montebrown9528 This isn't the first time has happened even to very experienced pilots it's been a ongoing problem with helicopter part 135 VFR operations. You can bet he got away with it many times in the past this time it caught him. Your right if he just stayed straight and level he would have to declare an emergency get an IFR vector that would require him to explain what he was doing. If you look at the eye witness reports saw him fly into fog slowly the ADSB reports show slow then faster for awhile my guess when he was flying in and out of the fog to find a way. When he found there was no way he attempted a quick turn lost control.
JUAN this was pure magic!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH for bringing in Scott and this wonderful interview -- very insightful !!!!
Fantastic interview. Everyone reporting on this in the press needs to watch this.
Everyone in the press needs to watch the part about exaggerating a situation just to make a story.
Why? The average American has the attention span of a 2 year old, and unable to absorb more than 7 word sound-bites--and thinking for themselves is an entirely foreign concept.The old adage "if it bleeds, it leads" has never been more true than today.
Especially the ones that are exaggerating the role of Special VFR which had nothing to do with the accident.
Doc Kaiser yep!
Also it. Was not a CFIT accident!
Absolutely brilliant! Thank you so much for a balanced discussion. I received my PPL at 16, the following two years I did my cross country, night VMC and Instrument rating. I just turned 60 and still current. Not a commercial pilot although I did start it once for fun. Personal minimums I believe are extremely important. I have been with a group of friends who have decided to risk it on a leg that was below my personal minimums. Although they have made it, an extra night somewhere does not worry me when it's my safety and that of my passengers I may have with me. I'm not flying for a living but for the fun of it and going below my personal minimums would not be fun. What's the old saying "it's better to be on the ground wishing you were flying than being in the air wishing you were on the ground". New subscriber.
Thanks Juan, means alot to us at this time and in future charter choices and the questions to ask. very noble to explore this.
Thank u Juan. Ur uploads hav been very insightful. I am indeed grateful for the questions u addressed, the knowledge n experience u both willingly shared, n that u simplified it so well for non industry viewers. God bless.
Wow - talk about the polar opposite of our current 'sound bite' or 'Twitter' culture. Think about how many tweets would be needed to convey the thoughtful, content-rich and genuine conversation here - 100? 500? This demonstrates what we all hoped the internet could provide - clear information from people who know what they are talking about. I think we need to somehow push these very high-quality content-producing shows to the fore-front. I think it is up to us viewers...
This comment cannot be anymore true. Thank you for pointing this out.
great observation
"Content-rich" love it.
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So so true!!! Both so obviously experts in the field yet....all we hear is .... NOTHING... static, noise! These 2 are amazing! I was sorry it was over!
Agree!
Thank you for the discussion . As a MediVac Pilot, ATP, CFI, CFII, IGI, I truly appreciate your educational discussion . I agree with all of the points brought up. Every Pilot knows it is a skill that requires constant attention to be proficient .
One of you best videos to date Juan (and they are all very good). You and Scott provided some great insight into the Kobe crash.
I loved the addition of American pie to the end of the video. Although the "American Pie" accident did not take off in a snowstorm. Ceiling was 3000 and visibility was 6 miles in light snow.
skierman64 It was similar in that it was spatial disorientation. (Assuming our speculation is accurate). And it was also in a v tail bonanza .
What a fantastic, insightful interview this was. I don't know anything about flying, but this channel explains a lot to the layman like me. Thank you, Juan (and Scott)!
I can't thank the EMS Pilots for everything they do. These men and women who do those jobs are beyond special. Every single time I see our medical choppers in the air, I take a moment and say a prayer for them. A prayer that whoever they are on their way to help or have in their chopper will be okay. Amazing!
Amen, I do the same. I'm in the main flight path for major airport as well as near a heart hospital. I can hear the differences of machines & take note until they've passed "just in case". I've a family member who's a helicopter mechanic - he's told me stories & seen machines/friends go down.
Chris Johnson thanks. The BIL is a paramedic on a helicopter (LAFD) and just does his job (sometimes very dangerous situations) - prayers are always appreciated 🙂
Thank you, Scott! Great insight. Very interesting to get information from professionals who know what they are talking about.
Thanks for the special interview. Always learning more with each report.
Awesome interview. Main stream media can't tell up from down on a helicopter. You and Scott are a great source of information!
Juan, I have to say this channel is just going from strength to strength, thank you so much for your insight and compassion and passion, you tell it how it is, and you get great people like Scott on who share and complement your knowledge and passion for aviation, and life in general.. Thankyou..
In reading the other comments, I would have to agree, the format of sitting in the hanger talking shop worked well. The back and forth, the camaraderie of flying professionals, discussing the issues that are present in the field, good stuff. Well done.
Awesome interview Juan...your channel has been right on top of this with accurate, factual, and informative vids...as is always the case with your content...and this one, with two professionals who well know what they are talking about, was one of the best vids of any kind that I've seen on RUclips.
Thank you Juan! You and Scott are awesome together and you should have him as a guest again sometime or better yet regularly. Thank you both for the very informative video.
The day the music died. How well does that fit! Wiping a tear from my eye.
Thanks Juan.
La Bamba! Takes me back to being 5 years old.
That was literally a plethora of information on helicopter operations in IMC conditions. Thank you Scott and Juan.
One of your finest videos! Thank you and Scott for your insight on this terrible accident.
This was so freaking good on so many levels!!! Thank you Juan and Scott for all you do!! Jim.
Wonderful interview Juan. Lots of real info by two friends that are professionals. Thank you both for the no BS information. Lets hope that the FAA listens to pilots like you two and amends the IFR training requirements to include periodic refresher IFR flights- under actual IFR weather conditions- witnessed by an FAA examiner.
Will Cushman I have a customer who has flown for Northwest for over 25 years and we were just discussing this crash yesterday at my store. He said the EXACT same things the gray haired guy was saying. Practically word for word. Really interesting info.
@Robert Slackware Very correct I remember one commercial jet that got lost knew it and didn't go above potential terrain to get bearings. There were mountains with multiple valleys and they used the wrong waypoint during flight, and both saying check. Neither looking at the computer. Ended up almost clearing a mountain except they did go around power with full speed brakes on. This was after a landing clearance involving an emergency dive which they tried. Which alone should have tipped them off we can't be where the tower thinks.
I wonder if the pilot had a medical issue causing the craft to nose over.
Robert Slackware As pointed out in the conversation and other sources, the pilot was very familiar with the terrain along the 101, having flown that route often. I suspect his mental map was quite accurate. My guess is that familiarity lead him to think he could get through.
Robert Slackware... nothing is funny about this tragic accident.
Congrats on the recent medical diagnosis Juan! Hopefully you'll be back in the air real soon! Thanks for the input on this crash, very sad but another learning experience for all of us.
@Phil M I had seen something on his facebook account about it.
Best info yet, and best thing I’ve watched all week. Thanks!
Very informative!!! Thank you....
What an insight from an humble professional. What a breath of fresh air ,as opposed to the usual hype!. i'm impressed.!.
Thank you glad you enjoyed it
This was great, he really cleared up a lot for me. It was refreshing to listen to someone who clearly has a wealth of knowledge and is willing to give us his informed opinion. Not that you don't Juan!
Thank you guys so much. This video provided the only realistic and most likely cause of this tragedy. I like many others are still heartbroken over this crash and finally i feel like i have at least some answers now. Again, thanks for taking the time. Im sure im not the only person who truly appreciates it...
This was a great interview. Every idiot in the media covering this story should be required to watch this. On a side, I'm wondering how often Scott get's mistaken for Donald Sutherland working around Ca.
I was thinking the exact same thing; Scott does look like Sutherland.
Surprise, it is Donald Sutherland... Scott is just his cover life, flying EMS on his offduty :D
I love this guy!! Thank you for having him on. I learned a lot that I will never use, but still enjoyed learning about it. Very personable and truthful as well as entertaining. 😁👍🏼
So much more comprehensible now, I appreciate your help. In times like these, I think it’s just human nature to want to understand the why. Listening to the complicated nature of everything involved gets so confusing, thank you for making it digestible.
Simply put, that was a great informative and enjoyable interview! So much information was packed into this segment. Thank you Juan and Scott!