Hey everyone, just a quick note. Glenn has made this statement on Discord about the current wording on Arana: "Her ability is largely implemented like Aunt May's, but I agree the wording we shipped isn't clear relative to existing cards. We'll look into it."
Wow the text literally says GIVE but now they're changing it to iron fist. WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY "AFTER" WHEN DESIGNING THE CARD!?! But that still doesn't change the fact that they ordered +2 power first before stating move right, I can't believe they read that and let it run. I do believe a bounced ghost spider will be fixed eventually though
I HAVE BEEN COMMENTING ABOUT GHOST SPIDER NOT WORKING ON RANDOM MOVE VIDEOS (none on this channel I think). but people have been condescendingly telling me I'm stupid after testing exactly 1 ghost spider game and it working for them. I'm a move gamer, I play move as my main deck, and I've been trying to warn people about ghost spider not working. She's literally been broken for weeks, and I've lost huge 8 cubers because of it. Finally, after all this time, Alex and Regis have brought it up today. A small win and vindication for me.
Thank you for mentioning the ghost spider bug. A similar bug was around for a while with bouncing ghost spider and it has been super frustrating. Really happy to see a big snap content creator mentioning it because that will likely mean it gets fixed soon.
The text is indeed misleading, either they fix it and make it act like Forge, or they should change the text by adding "after" and give anyone who bought Arana a free spotlight key, or 6000 tokens refund for those who bought the card with tokens.
I am going to be real I have no idea why the community wants her to be power crept forge. Like I get the wording was wrong and they could give refunds but option 1 is not a real option
It almost feels deceptive, I know myself and friends would've held keys and maybe passed, if we knew it functioned like "After" you play your next card. I'm worried it's going to be a second dinner "whoops we should've added 'After' to be more clear - we added it now, sorry bout that"
Hey Alex idk if you saw it while streaming but chat was straight up lying about how ssm activate works. if you activate him before you play a card he’ll merge into nothing, figured I’d let you know for your own sanity lmao
The wording definitely makes it sound like she buffs first and moves later, the actual effect makes no sense. I don't think it was intentional but SD really baited everyone with this card
I don’t see how it wasn’t assuming it’s not a bug. It’s not like they don’t have anyone internally who watches content creators. They would’ve heard how all of them were explaining the card the last month and easily could’ve clarified if they were wrong. They chose not to. If the cards not broken it’s purely them wanting the most money possible
WOWW honestly I read the ability as it’s currently working, that’s why I was a little confused why you and Cozy were high on Brood with her! But your explanation def changed my mind, they should def word it differently because she does read how you thought seeing the examples!
@@avibuhnik I'm on the fence with which to replace because although you have more consistency with Hulk Buster, specifically with Deadpool or Nimrod, Nico bringing both the ability to give +2 to the next played card or destroy to draw 2 is just too good. Plus she has everything Arana has built into her kit too since Nico can also move a character, assuming you get the ability. I played a Beast bounce deck to bounce back cards like Carnage to destroy again. I often could hit Nico to make more use of her abilities. Had a time where I got +2 to use on Deadpool then bounced it back and had her destroy to draw 2 come up. Lots of utility.....man this is hard.
@@avibuhnik Hm, been thinking of that... I have the WORST luck when it comes to Niko's spells. Always a change location, or double Nikos power on the first few turns, blechh!
It's interesting, because if it worked like forge (and the text implies) I don't think it would do what you are expecting either. Forge works while the card is face down, so it would do the +2 and the move while face down, and we would end up with the 3 broods on the right location. And then it would not work for the move cards. For the effect to work the way you say, the effect would need to be split in two: first the +2, then the on reveal, and then the move. I don't know the wording, but something like : "Give the next card you play +2 Power and afterwards move it to the right."
Hahaha, that last game starting at 20:44 was me. I'll play random cards under Arishem to satisfy specific Alliance goals and nothing else LOL. Funny that Alex didn't notice it was Arishem nor that it obviously wasn't a real build. But definitely well played sir! Hat's off!
I agree the text is confusing, but I definitely think she is still working as intended. It wouldn't make any sense for her effect to work the way you are describing. And On Reveal cards effect HAS to resolve before moving on the the next effect in chain. Forge works on Brood the way it does because Forge's effect as On Reveal technically resolves right after you play him, before you even play your next card. But for Araña's effect as an Activate card to work it has to happen after the card she is affecting has fully resolved. It wouldn't make any sense for the order to be "Brood Reveal--> Araña Activation resolve (somehow pausing Brood's effect in the middle of it still resolving)--> then Brood's On Reveal resolves." It has to go "Brood Reveal--> Brood's On Reveal resolves--> then Araña's Activate can resolve too."
See this is the kind of release that INFURIATES me. Not because I care that it's bad, but because I fully expect them to change it to be good the way we expected it to be *right after the spotlight ends*. Then everyone who didn't get it is screwed.
Wow and of course it took me 4 spotlight keys to get..... smh. I was so sure it be good that getting it right away was gonna be a no brainer..... now i feel like i got no brain..... and of course the random card was a card i already had so i got a mere 1000 tokens...... they need to change that so bad man...... im missing so many 4 and 5 series cards for me to be getting a repeat which then turns into so few tokens.... it leaves such a bitter feeling
I got her on my first spotlight cache and it feels bad so I can't imagine how you're feeling They really need to fix the system so you receive 3000 tokens at the very least if you open a duplicate
I love Snap with all my heart but the text inconsistency is just too much. They should change the text asap when something deems inconsistent like Legends of Runeterra did.
Oh damn now that you mentioned it--I also tried using a Bounced Ghost Spider in conjunction with Arana but the combo didn't work. I thought I messed up the order or something.
Too many new $100 bundles to make and coming up with new ways to scam our tokens off us, not enough resources to make sure the game works and fix card progression
Almost bought this first thing, but i stopped myself because i thought about you saying wait till the end of the week. I figured Id wait for this video and now it seems like ill be waiting even longer. Id even decided to use my tokens instead of keys as im not a fan of the other varients 😅
She’s still good in other shells. I used tokens to get her cause I don’t need the other variants I. The spotlight. I don’t regret spending the tokens because I’ve been using her in destroy and of course move. Going to try Phoenix force as well. Just because she doesn’t work with Brood doesn’t mean she’s not a 3 and a half to 4 star card.
I'll try to mess with her and see if I can find anything good. I didn't own Ms Marvel or Sage, so I was going to pull for this week even if Arana was terrible.
since we're talking about bugs, can we bring up kate bishop? if you're hand is full, but she still owes your hand a card, she will continue to try to add, and you can't play. you basically time out the turn after you play her.
I'm testing Arana in destroy as a 1-1 Forge and so far she feels ok, can't say if better than Hulkbuster, but ger timing is much more lenient and easier to facilitate.
was so insanely disappointed while i was testing her out, it really feels like i wasted keys on her and madame web especially since move is STILL not good enough to be out here competing (regularly) with some of these other archetypes. atleast if you're an individual without the blessed mind of MOLT
Move is still bad, because it still lacks heavy hitters. There's still only a single 6 cost move card and he's a series 1. We need stronger movers. The biggest issue is all the movers are like less than 3 power. Move would be so much better if they just gave some higher base power, imagine is strange was a 4/7! The problem with move is you don't get any power ynless you combo-combo-combo like crazy moving for the sake of moving! And even after that you filled your board with several 2 power/ 1 power cards.
I think the biggest problem with move is that since it only tries to win 2 locations most of the time, all you need is one shadow king OR shang-chi to completely shut down the move player's gameplan - leading you to lose lots of 8-cube games. This is why move is one of the worst decks you can play in Conquest mode.
She works fine in surfer for Shaw. Sucks you can’t duplicate the power with brood I agree but Shaw eats up her buff like candy. Especially turn 5 with Forge Shaw.
As someone who got arana I’m pissed. Been playing three months and it seems like second dinner is terribly ran. They ota cards the week after it’s in a cache to trick people into buying; and now with this they either mislead the community with the txt to trick people into buying it, or they’re so incompetent that they can’t roll out a new card that works. Ludicrous and horrible business practices.
Thats absolutely not how it is. You can actually look at every card they released and most of them doesnt get changed. there are very few cards that actually gets changed
@@Rambrus0 you realize they plan otas and patches yes? Just like they plan caches. So they 100% do ensure the cache comes before the nerf. They did the same thing with Loki last month. They blame increased use but they create the increased use with the cache. It’s all knowledge they have.
@@notgp377 Loki is an extreme case… There are only a very few cases where the card is nerfed right after coming out. You can go trough every card released this year and you will realise this
I think the disconnect is that the developers expected us to understand that any Activate ability that affects a played card isn't going to trigger until after that card has revealed. The "after the card is revealed" is supposed to be implied by it being an Activate ability. The problem is that the ability is two weeks old and this is literally the second card that uses it. It's something that will be obvious with time but in this moment is frustrating because there's some ambiguity where players have been left to draw their own conclusions. It's a bummer! Also, fix Ghost Spider, holy crap!
The first game with forge shows why Arana will never really be able to work like him. He procs while the effected card is face down. If we want Arana to add the power before the reveal, it would also have to move before the reveal, making it worthless to move climbers. So for Brood, we'd really like it go A -> B -> A, A adding power, then B revealing, then A moving B, which yah would be epic, but totally unreasonable. :/ So rewording it to simply be a fully "after it plays" thing makes the most sense.
Took me a few games to get used to how she works too. Shame about the Bounce Bug though. Only tried her in Phoenix Force and it's great there, pretty much.
Looks like order of operations for activate cards is. After you activate next card, it plays its on reveal, then the activate happens. Example with symbiote/panther, panther reveals and doubles, activate triggers merge, on reveal again. Otherwise it would add its power then do the on reveal effect once. So Brood would reveal, make broodlings then Arana activates. I'd imagine if you symbiote a brood you'd only get one big brood or broodling depending on what he attached to
You have to remember that move actions always happen first. They did that a couple of patches ago. The spider gwen is a bug, and surprised that happened and came out.
I've played A TON of move, the problem isn't the lack of movers, the problem is the lack of buff cards that get moved. You draw the nut SO rarely (vulture, dagger AND movers) that it makes your hands 80% of the time garbage. Move will not be a competitive deck until they release another buff card i.e. vulture or dagger.
Would love to see a Heimdall update. Move's turn 6 is very predictable. Go tall in the middle lane and make sure you have more than 10 power in the right and you'll win most matches. If there was a way to make him go right or left, that might be the shot in the arm move needs.
Love phoenix, So I bought it. Love to see phoenix getting some love with these activates like symbiote and araňa. Only bad thing is when you have it everyone aside of bots will scoop
@@Rambrus0 you certainly don't have to, no. But considering that they are charging you for one of the only two resources you have to acquire new cards? There's very little reason to believe that those will move beyond whales not having anything else to do with them. Sure, some non-whales will choose to buy them, but that's really terrible value.
@@alexanderanghel7946 The comment I replied to said it's useless, not me. But I also think it will be one of the 45% winrate cards for sure, one of the worst cards in the game
@@deliro8758look, y saw every leak video, every preview, every Snap Chat and everyone says that the card is OP. I was in the Subway, saw the new card and thought "man, lets go for the OP card". Soooo....sorry random stranger that loves to judge people on the internet...yes, I couldn't wait this time. And I still hate the hype that content creators put on all these Cards and I hate the monetisation system of this Game. But I love Alex videos!!
For the PF deck I replaced Ghost Spider and it worked quite well. Nico is too useful and Symbiote is a back up to Shuri that I didn’t want to take out. Also Ghost Spider has been bugged for a while now, I had the same thing happen about a month ago.
My biggest issue with Arana is that if you bounce her you can’t activate her again. I definitely hope that gets changed in the future, because I definitely feel replaying the card warrants another use of her activate
I thought she would only give the plus 2 after the card moved. If the card never moved they don’t get the plus 2. So she’s better than what I predicted. It would be nice if she buffed before the cards reveal, but I don’t think she needs it. Just a text change to better indicate what happens is all she needs.
I've been trying out different one drops in Zoo and Arana has been good to me. It can buff Blue Marvel, which usually cant buff himself for one additional point for Gilgamesh. I have her over Nico atm, I'll test her more
So I see that they'd already changed Arana text to reflect it's actual intended effect. It seems they neve wanted it to work like Forge in the first place.
Move REALLY needs another payoff. Spider-Man 2099 was supposed to be another one, but, suffice to say, he's completely failed. Multiple Man just clutters you further, and Kraven is playable, but underwhelming compared to the big 3 (Human Torch, Dagger, and Vulture). Basically, I just REALLY want a 2099 buff lol.
Not only that. All archetypes need a Death equivalent. Cost 1 less if 1 card moved. Also a Knull equivalent. Add the power of all cards that moved this turn
@@LARSTAKA-666I feel like it’s suppose to be miles but he’s just too small of a card. I think they should make him like a 6 that loses cost every move or a 5 that goes to 1 but has like 8 or 9 power
What if they had a move knull? “Ongoing:retains the power of all power gained through movement” +5 from vulture move,plus whatever human torch gains ect
Lockdown works pretty well with her. I can make places that are if war maxgine don't show up i can at least place something down. Either on evony Maw or movng ceissbones from a labe im winning to one i wish to contest .
Yeah... The wording of Arana seems disingenuous on SD's part. As is, she reads the exact same as Forge and also suggests a different sequencing altogether. "Activate: *AFTER* you play your next card, -give the next card you play +2 Power and move- move it to the right *THEN* give it +2 Power" is a far more accurate summation of what Arana does.
Problaby the biggest problem is ghost spider in bounce arana would be so good, but it just doesn’t work, ghosr sp is the best move card and without isn’t the same
I feel like the unclear wording is a huge deal, and SD aren't treating it as big of a deal as it is. It literally does not work as the text says, and people would have keyed her for power, and then move. There's like barely any text on cards, no idea how they screw up that hard.
I'm confused because the way you guys were explaining it and your other video, I thought you all understood. I have always thought it was going to work like iron fists and I thought you guys did too.
She is still excellent just because she doesn’t work with two cards she wasn’t designed to work with. She helps move and has been doing well for me in Phoenix force and destroy.
I tought i was insane when ghost spider work couple days ago in two different games, i tought i mess the order when i didn't glad to see i'm not insane 😅
Srsly, it's so disapointing to have been waiting so long to "complete" the Move deck just to have Araña not working as it should and Ghost Spider bugged... What a joke
Hey everyone, just a quick note. Glenn has made this statement on Discord about the current wording on Arana: "Her ability is largely implemented like Aunt May's, but I agree the wording we shipped isn't clear relative to existing cards. We'll look into it."
So they’re gonna change the text and not implementation of her ability? 😢
Wow the text literally says GIVE but now they're changing it to iron fist. WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY "AFTER" WHEN DESIGNING THE CARD!?! But that still doesn't change the fact that they ordered +2 power first before stating move right, I can't believe they read that and let it run. I do believe a bounced ghost spider will be fixed eventually though
This function was made clear in the text about activate at the launch of the season.
@@urzafrank please link it
Probably a bug? She's still good in move and her reveal in the season video shows her working at advertised
So essentially her text should say IF they want her to behave this way- Activate: AFTER you play your next card give it +2 and move it to the right
After you play your next card, move it to the right and give it +2. The order of power and move matters a TON for human torch and multiple man.
@@SuperboneOne Check again. It gives the +2 and then it moves. Alex literally does that during this stream.
@@SuperboneOne What are u yapping about? It's give +2 THEN move. The order does matter but ur order here is wrong...
@@Devillionaire ok my bad, at the start of this video it definitely sounded like he said it moved then did +2
@@SuperboneOnedawg, look at the text. It says how it’s supposed to go 😂
I HAVE BEEN COMMENTING ABOUT GHOST SPIDER NOT WORKING ON RANDOM MOVE VIDEOS (none on this channel I think). but people have been condescendingly telling me I'm stupid after testing exactly 1 ghost spider game and it working for them. I'm a move gamer, I play move as my main deck, and I've been trying to warn people about ghost spider not working. She's literally been broken for weeks, and I've lost huge 8 cubers because of it. Finally, after all this time, Alex and Regis have brought it up today. A small win and vindication for me.
bro, i got that too. i just thought that i misplayed the card but it actually happened
chill
She doesn't work if you bounce her
Same she doesnt Work for me neither popped ironfist moved vulture on Hercules and then Ghost, but nothing happened...
That doesn't mean they were wrong about you being stupid. LOL. j/k
Thank you for mentioning the ghost spider bug. A similar bug was around for a while with bouncing ghost spider and it has been super frustrating. Really happy to see a big snap content creator mentioning it because that will likely mean it gets fixed soon.
"big snap creator" ... Not calling @alex chonky, but maybe Costco-sized?
I'll note when you recall ghost with beast she doesn't work when you replay her
It cost me a game. I tried swinging my Dagger back. Instead of +12 to the left, she stayed in the middle for 0.
Can we get a brutally dishonest review of a card where you do nothing but lie about how good it is?
lmao
the silly youtube titles always make it seem like he lies in every video except this one.
That would be epic and funny
Yes! Or dishonest about how bad it is
Would be perfect for April fools 2025 since it's on a Tuesday 😂
The text is indeed misleading, either they fix it and make it act like Forge, or they should change the text by adding "after" and give anyone who bought Arana a free spotlight key, or 6000 tokens refund for those who bought the card with tokens.
Absolutely. I bought her with keys and regret it. I was bamboozled!
It took me 4 keys to pull her. I am not happy 😤
I'm pretty bent myself.
So wait, does that mean she moves torch to plus 4 then his him to plus 6? That's wild
I am going to be real I have no idea why the community wants her to be power crept forge. Like I get the wording was wrong and they could give refunds but option 1 is not a real option
It almost feels deceptive, I know myself and friends would've held keys and maybe passed, if we knew it functioned like "After" you play your next card.
I'm worried it's going to be a second dinner "whoops we should've added 'After' to be more clear - we added it now, sorry bout that"
in the showcase video, she works as intended. So this is probably a bug and will get fixed
in the season trailer posted by the official marvel snap channel, araña works the way that she was expected to
I just checked, and you're absolutely right. This was a bait and switch by the developers. This is BS.
Maybe a bug? They should fix it.
!!!!!!!!!
@@SkolLanooh cmon not everything is a conspiracy. If its a bug, they will fix it
@Rambrus0 But if you read the Comment Alex Pinned, they said it is working as intended.
Hey Alex idk if you saw it while streaming but chat was straight up lying about how ssm activate works. if you activate him before you play a card he’ll merge into nothing, figured I’d let you know for your own sanity lmao
The wording definitely makes it sound like she buffs first and moves later, the actual effect makes no sense. I don't think it was intentional but SD really baited everyone with this card
I don’t see how it wasn’t assuming it’s not a bug. It’s not like they don’t have anyone internally who watches content creators. They would’ve heard how all of them were explaining the card the last month and easily could’ve clarified if they were wrong. They chose not to. If the cards not broken it’s purely them wanting the most money possible
@@notgp377 so is she simultaneously doing both effects at once, but moving first ish
@@CoryTheDestroyer the on reveal occurs, then the +2 then the move. Easy example is black panther becomes a 10 not a 12.
@@notgp377cmon why are you thinking conspiracy behind every bug? You tinfoil people are exhausting
WOWW honestly I read the ability as it’s currently working, that’s why I was a little confused why you and Cozy were high on Brood with her! But your explanation def changed my mind, they should def word it differently because she does read how you thought seeing the examples!
I’ve been playing her in destroy for the last few hours! She works amazingly with Deadpool and Wolverine
Like a much easier to use Hulk Buster. Cant tell ya how many times i'd had Hulk Buster without anything to play him on. Arana is nicely proactive!
@@RickReasonnz I actually added her in Nikos spot and not Hulkbuster because the few games that I got to do both her AND the buster were nuts! 🤩
EXACTLY
@@avibuhnik I'm on the fence with which to replace because although you have more consistency with Hulk Buster, specifically with Deadpool or Nimrod, Nico bringing both the ability to give +2 to the next played card or destroy to draw 2 is just too good.
Plus she has everything Arana has built into her kit too since Nico can also move a character, assuming you get the ability.
I played a Beast bounce deck to bounce back cards like Carnage to destroy again. I often could hit Nico to make more use of her abilities. Had a time where I got +2 to use on Deadpool then bounced it back and had her destroy to draw 2 come up.
Lots of utility.....man this is hard.
@@avibuhnik Hm, been thinking of that... I have the WORST luck when it comes to Niko's spells. Always a change location, or double Nikos power on the first few turns, blechh!
Ghost spider has been bugged since Madame Web came out. Bouny-move is my favorite archetype but I've had to explore other decks
That ghost spider bug was there for a while, I honestly thought I was playing wrong tho😕 what a lame, SD in their finest
i know its cool to throw shit at SD but could we act like adults once?
It's interesting, because if it worked like forge (and the text implies) I don't think it would do what you are expecting either.
Forge works while the card is face down, so it would do the +2 and the move while face down, and we would end up with the 3 broods on the right location.
And then it would not work for the move cards.
For the effect to work the way you say, the effect would need to be split in two: first the +2, then the on reveal, and then the move. I don't know the wording, but something like : "Give the next card you play +2 Power and afterwards move it to the right."
Hahaha, that last game starting at 20:44 was me. I'll play random cards under Arishem to satisfy specific Alliance goals and nothing else LOL. Funny that Alex didn't notice it was Arishem nor that it obviously wasn't a real build. But definitely well played sir! Hat's off!
LOL I was kind of wondering what was going on!!!
I agree the text is confusing, but I definitely think she is still working as intended. It wouldn't make any sense for her effect to work the way you are describing. And On Reveal cards effect HAS to resolve before moving on the the next effect in chain. Forge works on Brood the way it does because Forge's effect as On Reveal technically resolves right after you play him, before you even play your next card. But for Araña's effect as an Activate card to work it has to happen after the card she is affecting has fully resolved. It wouldn't make any sense for the order to be "Brood Reveal--> Araña Activation resolve (somehow pausing Brood's effect in the middle of it still resolving)--> then Brood's On Reveal resolves." It has to go "Brood Reveal--> Brood's On Reveal resolves--> then Araña's Activate can resolve too."
In Portuguese it makes sense, in English the confusion. I don't know in Spanish, but we're latins, Araña, we understand ourselves lmao
See this is the kind of release that INFURIATES me. Not because I care that it's bad, but because I fully expect them to change it to be good the way we expected it to be *right after the spotlight ends*. Then everyone who didn't get it is screwed.
One of the few weeks I insta-spend keys because I needed sage real bad, and boy oh boy is arana strange.
I really want sage but im having trouble justifying going further in this spotlight with white widow just around the corner :(
With everyone spending caches on this week they better fix this.
Wow and of course it took me 4 spotlight keys to get..... smh. I was so sure it be good that getting it right away was gonna be a no brainer..... now i feel like i got no brain..... and of course the random card was a card i already had so i got a mere 1000 tokens...... they need to change that so bad man...... im missing so many 4 and 5 series cards for me to be getting a repeat which then turns into so few tokens.... it leaves such a bitter feeling
tbf thats why its better to wait to spend keys, myself included.. they wont go anywhere lol.. wouldn't hurt to wait and see some info on the cards
Theres only a few niche problems with it. It is still very good, and a good investment on your part.
I got her on my first spotlight cache and it feels bad so I can't imagine how you're feeling
They really need to fix the system so you receive 3000 tokens at the very least if you open a duplicate
@@RealRayu or make it easier to get spotlight keys
It so should be a 3000 token compensation for a series 4 or 6000 for a series 5, fair is fair.
I got scammed by the wording of this card. Wow. Goodbye resources.
I love Snap with all my heart but the text inconsistency is just too much. They should change the text asap when something deems inconsistent like Legends of Runeterra did.
Oh damn now that you mentioned it--I also tried using a Bounced Ghost Spider in conjunction with Arana but the combo didn't work. I thought I messed up the order or something.
Too many new $100 bundles to make and coming up with new ways to scam our tokens off us, not enough resources to make sure the game works and fix card progression
Glad to see it's not my PC the one with the Untapped Tracker bug. Move decks always get me confused so I'm not getting Araña.
Almost bought this first thing, but i stopped myself because i thought about you saying wait till the end of the week. I figured Id wait for this video and now it seems like ill be waiting even longer. Id even decided to use my tokens instead of keys as im not a fan of the other varients 😅
She’s still good in other shells. I used tokens to get her cause I don’t need the other variants I. The spotlight. I don’t regret spending the tokens because I’ve been using her in destroy and of course move. Going to try Phoenix force as well. Just because she doesn’t work with Brood doesn’t mean she’s not a 3 and a half to 4 star card.
I'll try to mess with her and see if I can find anything good. I didn't own Ms Marvel or Sage, so I was going to pull for this week even if Arana was terrible.
Love the honesty. I wish I had passed on her. She seems underwhelming in her current state.
I've found a similar inconsistency between hawkeye who gets buffed in hand and basic arrow that doesn't. The wording on the cards is identical.
since we're talking about bugs, can we bring up kate bishop? if you're hand is full, but she still owes your hand a card, she will continue to try to add, and you can't play. you basically time out the turn after you play her.
I'm testing Arana in destroy as a 1-1 Forge and so far she feels ok, can't say if better than Hulkbuster, but ger timing is much more lenient and easier to facilitate.
was so insanely disappointed while i was testing her out, it really feels like i wasted keys on her and madame web especially since move is STILL not good enough to be out here competing (regularly) with some of these other archetypes. atleast if you're an individual without the blessed mind of MOLT
Spent 7 keys to get those 2 cards, what a waste tbh
Move is still bad, because it still lacks heavy hitters. There's still only a single 6 cost move card and he's a series 1. We need stronger movers. The biggest issue is all the movers are like less than 3 power. Move would be so much better if they just gave some higher base power, imagine is strange was a 4/7! The problem with move is you don't get any power ynless you combo-combo-combo like crazy moving for the sake of moving! And even after that you filled your board with several 2 power/ 1 power cards.
I think the biggest problem with move is that since it only tries to win 2 locations most of the time, all you need is one shadow king OR shang-chi to completely shut down the move player's gameplan - leading you to lose lots of 8-cube games. This is why move is one of the worst decks you can play in Conquest mode.
She works fine in surfer for Shaw.
Sucks you can’t duplicate the power with brood I agree but Shaw eats up her buff like candy. Especially turn 5 with Forge Shaw.
As someone who got arana I’m pissed. Been playing three months and it seems like second dinner is terribly ran. They ota cards the week after it’s in a cache to trick people into buying; and now with this they either mislead the community with the txt to trick people into buying it, or they’re so incompetent that they can’t roll out a new card that works. Ludicrous and horrible business practices.
Thats absolutely not how it is. You can actually look at every card they released and most of them doesnt get changed. there are very few cards that actually gets changed
@@Rambrus0 you realize they plan otas and patches yes? Just like they plan caches. So they 100% do ensure the cache comes before the nerf. They did the same thing with Loki last month. They blame increased use but they create the increased use with the cache. It’s all knowledge they have.
@@notgp377 Loki is an extreme case… There are only a very few cases where the card is nerfed right after coming out. You can go trough every card released this year and you will realise this
@@Rambrus0 happening twice is more than enough to be an issue. To each their own though.
@@notgp377 8 months in thats 40+ cards. 2 out of 40 is a good balance quota. Count how many of them were buffed and the picture is much brighter
I think the disconnect is that the developers expected us to understand that any Activate ability that affects a played card isn't going to trigger until after that card has revealed. The "after the card is revealed" is supposed to be implied by it being an Activate ability. The problem is that the ability is two weeks old and this is literally the second card that uses it. It's something that will be obvious with time but in this moment is frustrating because there's some ambiguity where players have been left to draw their own conclusions. It's a bummer!
Also, fix Ghost Spider, holy crap!
Araña also doesn’t work with Symbiote Spiderman. If you activate her, then you merge it with Symbiote, Symbiote will not be able to use her ability
There isn't much reason to do that anyway, but if this bug affects Scarlet Spider merging into Symbiote as well it will have a much bigger impact.
The first game with forge shows why Arana will never really be able to work like him. He procs while the effected card is face down. If we want Arana to add the power before the reveal, it would also have to move before the reveal, making it worthless to move climbers. So for Brood, we'd really like it go A -> B -> A, A adding power, then B revealing, then A moving B, which yah would be epic, but totally unreasonable. :/
So rewording it to simply be a fully "after it plays" thing makes the most sense.
thats actualy a really smart explanation
Took me a few games to get used to how she works too. Shame about the Bounce Bug though. Only tried her in Phoenix Force and it's great there, pretty much.
She’s also excellent in destroy and move tribunal.
Looks like order of operations for activate cards is. After you activate next card, it plays its on reveal, then the activate happens. Example with symbiote/panther, panther reveals and doubles, activate triggers merge, on reveal again. Otherwise it would add its power then do the on reveal effect once. So Brood would reveal, make broodlings then Arana activates. I'd imagine if you symbiote a brood you'd only get one big brood or broodling depending on what he attached to
How do people want it to play? On reveal goes first or activate goes first?
You have to remember that move actions always happen first. They did that a couple of patches ago. The spider gwen is a bug, and surprised that happened and came out.
Tilted Alex is the best Alex 😈😈😈
Agreed.
I've played A TON of move, the problem isn't the lack of movers, the problem is the lack of buff cards that get moved. You draw the nut SO rarely (vulture, dagger AND movers) that it makes your hands 80% of the time garbage. Move will not be a competitive deck until they release another buff card i.e. vulture or dagger.
Would love to see a Heimdall update. Move's turn 6 is very predictable. Go tall in the middle lane and make sure you have more than 10 power in the right and you'll win most matches. If there was a way to make him go right or left, that might be the shot in the arm move needs.
Love phoenix, So I bought it. Love to see phoenix getting some love with these activates like symbiote and araňa. Only bad thing is when you have it everyone aside of bots will scoop
Thanks for the video and review! I especially appreciate the phoenix force tidbit. One of my favorite decks!
Hello Alex
I was checking Twitch to see if you were trying the new card and I got the notification of the video hahaha
This is why I always wait on spending keys. Thanks for testing this stuff for us as always.
Can we also just add on that there are now card borders available for Collector's Tokens? Just seems insane to me with how hard those are to come by.
Its not like you have to have those
@@Rambrus0 you certainly don't have to, no. But considering that they are charging you for one of the only two resources you have to acquire new cards? There's very little reason to believe that those will move beyond whales not having anything else to do with them. Sure, some non-whales will choose to buy them, but that's really terrible value.
@@buddy318 If they want to waste their resources on border, let them. Its just a boarder
Guys, Alex' instincts telling him that Araña will be great, so _SAVE YOUR KEYS!_
bad take
@@coolshirtkid just a running gag Buddy
Reveals happen first and then activates will occur. It’s how activate cards work
Wow. Just spend 4 freaking keys for my favourite deck, Surfer. And now it is useless. Yay.
Was it that difficult to wait 2 hours for impressions before wasting a month's worth of resources and progression?
@deliro8758 this card is versatile so I wouldn't say wasted
@@alexanderanghel7946 The comment I replied to said it's useless, not me. But I also think it will be one of the 45% winrate cards for sure, one of the worst cards in the game
@@deliro8758look, y saw every leak video, every preview, every Snap Chat and everyone says that the card is OP. I was in the Subway, saw the new card and thought "man, lets go for the OP card".
Soooo....sorry random stranger that loves to judge people on the internet...yes, I couldn't wait this time. And I still hate the hype that content creators put on all these Cards and I hate the monetisation system of this Game. But I love Alex videos!!
Ghost Spider bug has been for over a week. I was having issues the day that madam web came out with her pulling cards
Matchmaking is unbelievable in this game. Specific decks are pitted against arishem and this one is one of them. Run into arishem more than i dont.
I mean its sneaky, but wouldnt a 1 cost +2 before moving be way to strong? She is already a better forge in most scenarios
Buff forge, problem solved
Opened cache before i saw this... the sadness 😢
For the PF deck I replaced Ghost Spider and it worked quite well. Nico is too useful and Symbiote is a back up to Shuri that I didn’t want to take out. Also Ghost Spider has been bugged for a while now, I had the same thing happen about a month ago.
Cannonball in Heimdal move is pretty good
It's working as intended. I played torch then araña. I then activated and played vulture on the next turn. She moved vulture
You activate her and then play the card you want to be buffed
My biggest issue with Arana is that if you bounce her you can’t activate her again. I definitely hope that gets changed in the future, because I definitely feel replaying the card warrants another use of her activate
Card is a boost to phoenix force. I had some bad luck with destroy but can help put up points.
I thought she would only give the plus 2 after the card moved. If the card never moved they don’t get the plus 2. So she’s better than what I predicted. It would be nice if she buffed before the cards reveal, but I don’t think she needs it. Just a text change to better indicate what happens is all she needs.
And here I was blaming myself for not knowing how to use ghost spider.
Move brood and play symbiote and activate brood again sounds pretty solid .
I had the Ghostspider bug yesterday. I thought it was a missplay by me when Ghostspider did nothing lol
I've been trying out different one drops in Zoo and Arana has been good to me. It can buff Blue Marvel, which usually cant buff himself for one additional point for Gilgamesh.
I have her over Nico atm, I'll test her more
So I see that they'd already changed Arana text to reflect it's actual intended effect. It seems they neve wanted it to work like Forge in the first place.
New title. "This card is BROKEN...... Literally!"
Thanks for the video, the information and opinions, and the decks. I'm sorry you had so much frustration while playing.
They changed the move priority two seasons ago around the time nocturne came out .
Put it back to 2/2 and give it to Cerebro
I needed sage and I was 1 key away from arana, I got her, and she didnt felt good, but maybe I just not played her enough
thank you so much for saying the bug now MARVEL SNAP WILL TAKE CARE CUZ I HAD THE SAME ISSUE AND IS BUGED
Move needs a card that functions like Venom to declutter your locations.
Move REALLY needs another payoff. Spider-Man 2099 was supposed to be another one, but, suffice to say, he's completely failed. Multiple Man just clutters you further, and Kraven is playable, but underwhelming compared to the big 3 (Human Torch, Dagger, and Vulture).
Basically, I just REALLY want a 2099 buff lol.
Not only that. All archetypes need a Death equivalent.
Cost 1 less if 1 card moved.
Also a Knull equivalent.
Add the power of all cards that moved this turn
@@LARSTAKA-666I feel like it’s suppose to be miles but he’s just too small of a card. I think they should make him like a 6 that loses cost every move or a 5 that goes to 1 but has like 8 or 9 power
What if they had a move knull? “Ongoing:retains the power of all power gained through movement” +5 from vulture move,plus whatever human torch gains ect
@@LARSTAKA-666Sure lets make all archetypes the same. No difference at sll
It works with human torch, which i think is the main intent with the card.
Arana>multiple man, human torch, or vulture. Then play ghost spider, heimdal. Use cloak or madam web before heimdal for extra moves.
She works a lot like the Nico spell which buffs cards by 2.
My new favourite phrase. I don’t know what kind of copium you’re huffing there son, but I’m not too concerned. 😂😂😂
you can also squeeze crossbones with arana - just a minor detail.. also i don't think there's a wording issue, after you activate, the next card..
Ghost spider bug reminds me of the daredevil bug a few months ag9
Shes good with webb. 16 torch by turn 3 easy. Then use iron fist + ghost spider for vulture and bam!
I’d like my 3 keys back for this card that doesn’t do what it says on the card
Lockdown works pretty well with her.
I can make places that are if war maxgine don't show up i can at least place something down. Either on evony Maw or movng ceissbones from a labe im winning to one i wish to contest .
YESSS YESSS finally i tought my game was broken with ghost spider! Ghost spider is not working for meee
Just tested out ghost spider, she doesn’t work after being bounced by falcon. Lost an easy win because of it.
The text is literally the same as forge and therefore should be the same as forge.
Yeah... The wording of Arana seems disingenuous on SD's part. As is, she reads the exact same as Forge and also suggests a different sequencing altogether.
"Activate: *AFTER* you play your next card, -give the next card you play +2 Power and move- move it to the right *THEN* give it +2 Power" is a far more accurate summation of what Arana does.
Problaby the biggest problem is ghost spider in bounce arana would be so good, but it just doesn’t work, ghosr sp is the best move card and without isn’t the same
I had the ghost spider bug happen to me and I thought I was just an idiot and ordered my play wrong
Ran into the Ghost Spider bug today.
we appreciate your efforts Alex! thanks for the video, peace!
I feel like the unclear wording is a huge deal, and SD aren't treating it as big of a deal as it is. It literally does not work as the text says, and people would have keyed her for power, and then move. There's like barely any text on cards, no idea how they screw up that hard.
I'm confused because the way you guys were explaining it and your other video, I thought you all understood. I have always thought it was going to work like iron fists and I thought you guys did too.
It’s all about the wording. Why not say “ move to the right then give it +2”
Because human torch would go from a 4-8 power to 2-6 power.and multiple man 5-5 to a 3-5
it only work for move deck like phoenix force it +2 first then move not like shuri interations on purposed as galactus combo
RIP my tokens. I know I should have waited, but was really excited to try her in surfer 😭
She is still excellent just because she doesn’t work with two cards she wasn’t designed to work with. She helps move and has been doing well for me in Phoenix force and destroy.
"A BRUTALLY HONEST REVIEW" oh no
I tought i was insane when ghost spider work couple days ago in two different games, i tought i mess the order when i didn't glad to see i'm not insane 😅
Like when a card gets hit by spiderham and the art hasn’t loaded yet so you don’t know what it hit. Bugs bugs bugs.
Srsly, it's so disapointing to have been waiting so long to "complete" the Move deck just to have Araña not working as it should and Ghost Spider bugged... What a joke
if they change it to work with brood after its no longer available in the spotlight im gonna be sad