The toxic history of Blue/White Control | Deckmasters #1
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Deckmasters Episode #1 - Blue/White Control
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That Mesa Falcon kid has sure come a long way!
Of course the next one is Red Deck Wins lol
Speaking of toxic strategies...
Red burn was never as prevalent or as toxic as Red Deck Wins, which is what the current iterations of almost all popular meta Red decks have been in the past few years.
Red Deck Wins ! Please.🙏
This is mono red...
Lol yeah I mean as annoying as it is on arena, red deck wins is a classic archetype. Wouldn't mind a video on it
This is exactly the kind of content I want from CGB
Yes, awesome video. Excited for many more episodes in this series.
It's gotta be Red Deck Wins.
seconded for second episode!
Some notes: Weissman’s “The Deck” goes back to 1994 and gets it’s name from his testing gauntlet he and a friend had. They had “The Direct Damage Deck”, “The Weenie Deck”, etc and then this deck with a bunch of card draw and Mind Twists. They couldn’t really define what it’s theme was and so it became “The Deck”.
Other notable Blue/White control decks: Maher Oath from 1999-2002 extended was an Enlightened Tutor based control deck that splashed green for Oath of Druids and Sylvan Library. In 2000-01 Standard UW variants saw a lot of success with Counterspell, Absorb, Wrath of God, and Fact or Fiction all legal in the format. UW was very successful at all the national championships and Tommi Hovi made top 8 at Worlds that year.
You should collaborate with CGB for future videos like this. Pack as much history in each as possible. Make them two hour documentaries.
I love "no win control" or Castle ardenvale type lands being the win con...
If you are in a tournament enviroment, you are allowed to play the most toxic deck as you can. You are there to win, not to make friends or fun... but no cheating.
Also, for the next deckmasters episode... the slow shift from spells to creatures on standard deck building.
But like in sports, if you base your strategy in pure defensiveness and antigame people dont like it. Win is a win, but offensive play is always liked more by fans. Get your win but accept that you are nasty. 😂
@@RaMMsMaiDeN Thats why i put "you are there to win not to make friends or fun" line. Which is basically saying "yeah im an ass but what you gonna do about it?"
@@RaMMsMaiDeNdoesn't matter what pleases fans the most, pro players biggest concern should be going for the victory.
Love this concept, love the history, love the editing! Excited to see more videos in this series.
Don’t forget those of us that really really love beating control!! I don’t often play UW, but over the years I’ve built and tuned various midrange and ramp piles to beat it, and it’s super satisfying.
Yeah, I can't agree more. Although, beating control with midrange is really tough, even post sideboard.
You obviously get a better shot with say monored... but that's playing not to play too, so let's stick to the cool midrange ways!
Shitting on control is super satisfying it just sucks that the decks that aren't control dominate the decks that aim to beat it. As much as I love magic I've always hated that the game feels more matchup based than skill based. Like arena is the best example of how bad it is when it comes to matchups. I mean there are some decks and combinations of cards that get truly hilarious
The first piece of magic product I ever bought was the RTR Archon of the Triumvirate UW deck. The first ever pro game of magic I watched was the Ivan Flock 2015 final. I keep my eye on every new control or lockout strategy and I have 8 Azorius, 1 Bant, 1 Esper, and 4 Jeskai decks in EDH. Blue and White is in my veins, and that blood runs cold lol.
That Weissman deck list at the start is insane.
This video is more interesting than anything in standard right now
Ivan Floch made me play that deck and got me into control style magic, i just love the salt it generates 😂
Next is Mono Red, please do Mono Red.
"Fervent Champion, Robber of the Rich" 🔥
The presentation and editing is top notch. Its very easy to follow and definitely excited to see more of this series.
This was great. More please...
I love this new video concept! It was interesting hearing about times the deck has won Magic championships - I'd be happy if the videos were a little nerdier (dove a little deeper into the deck breakdown for those championship decks and what the meta at the time was like). I'm excited for the next one!
Absolutely love this break down! Would even like to see more in-depth videos on archetypes!
While blue is the first thing comming to mind as control, there are multiple combinations that aim at controlling the board. Blue white, blue black and white black all have that archetype. The white black is pretty interresting as it aims to control the board without counterspells.
I like the high-edited short-form content. Please do more of it. Condense your work into more of these beautiful works of art
WOW! Love this video CGB. Thanks for all the lore videos. Keep em coming!!!
Blue/White Control is basically the same as playing YGO Control formats.
This is great man, love the new/different content!
Ivan's UW control represent! Some other famous decks from mtg's history are: nic fit, maverick, ponza, rug delver, 8-rack, devoted druid-solemnity combo decks, lands, death & taxes archetype (perhaps videos about prison or pillowfort archetypes.. man, does anyone else remember the beauty named "azor's elocutors"?), tron, affinity, storm, white weenies, blue tempo, burn (does modern "pyromancer's ascension" belong here or storm?), cheerios/second sunrise.. There were some really prominent decks during their own standard seasons too like the eldrazi winter decks or the jeskai ascension combo lists. I love the rich history of mtg deckbuilding and I'm ready for the ride!
I love this and your planeswalker history videos. I don’t know if it would help or hurt to have a whole separate channel similar to your covert go crew content but for lore and history. Either way, great stuff!
Loved the closed-captioning! Could you do an episode on Control decks that don't really on Blue? E.g. Lorwyn's 5c Control, Eldritch Moon's Orzhov Control, and today's 5c Ramp?
Brings back fond memories of playing mtg in primary school in the 90s and dominating with UW control. Tundras, counterspells, serra angels, wrath of gods and vesuvan doppelgangers ah good times!
As a person that only started playing in Kaldheim, I really appreciate this type of video because it allows me to understand how the game has been shaped and formatted over the 30 years that it’s been around. Thank you CGB for increasing my knowledge about this fantastic game 💖
Love it! Started with the best! Can’t wait for the next episode!
Discard decks ! Hypnotic spectre, the rack, megrim, hymn to tourach, so many good memories !
Love the idea and concept, would love to see them be a little longer, decks and archetypes have so much history and it seems a shame to cut so much out about them
“Want to stop your opponent from having any fun?” perfectly sums up people that play Azorius (or Esper) control.
Great video CGB. I learned to love Azorius through your videos, and it changed me 😂
As a newly minted player into MTG this new series is timely and fascinating! Thank you for putting this out, I'm really looking forward to this Netflix series. ❤
Love playing against UW control in Historic. Mill just laughs as every card you draw gets you closer to getting decked!
This was awesome! Loved the video and I hope it's a continuing series. I would love to see a video on reanimate decks throughout history.
loved this! Missed Delver on the list though! Was my first serious deck, I had missed CAW Blade, but loved the 15 land 5 color (RGB phyrexian mana) Delver deck with runchanter's pike,Gitaxian Probe, mental missteps, gut shots, vampor snags, mana leak and all the things!
The deck of all time🗣️
I would love to see one of these videos on UB Mill. Even if it hasn't always been the most viable archetype, it has been my favorite since I started playing back in original Ravnica block with the Dimir Intrigues precon. Alternative win cons in card games have always been more fun for me, and I love the flavor of milling someone out equating to breaking their brain.
I know you were worried about non arena content but put those worries at ease! Your new content is fantastic
Loved this! Reminds me "The Mana Source" channel and their videos about archetypes that they never finished...
Great video style and narration! You should cover Mono Red next 😈
Okay, so maybe this is my favorite new series! so cool to learn about history of magic's archetypes
So far, I haven't disliked any of the new concepts you've been trying out, lately. Hell yeah, man!
Definitely do more of these, it's super interesting. 2 color, 3 color and colorless.
God i love control, feels so good to maneuver your answers around their threats, like a chess game. I however, am of the Dimir variety, which means i purpofully use a suboptimal control list just because it makes the opp suffer more
Nothing beats getting scooped at after you ts turn 1 and kill/counter their turn 2
ohh how those sphynx's revs bring me back. I remember watching that match around when I first got into magic. I thought it was so cool!
Self-mill would be an interesting archetype to cover. The most powerful cards for the strategy were printed long before many popular selfmill strategies arose, and I’m curious how old-school players handled the concept.
It might be fun as well for some episodes to focus on specific keywords like Morph or similarly short-lived mechanics and evaluate how they fit into existing decks as well as creating new strategies. There’s a lot of interesting mechanics that seem to have zero representation in high-level play, and it would be fun to examine the outliers.
After legends was released my friend built a relic barrier/ winter orb U/W deck. He used power sink to tap you out then dropped the winter orb and a vice and won from there.
This was in 1994. So UW control always existed in some form.
I've always enjoyed decks that were even more control than control. The last paper standard deck I played was a Jeskai Fevered Visions deck that played 8 disperse (Compelling Deterrence and actual Disperse), Reflector mage and Engulf the Shore. It had maindeck Dispel, because Dromoka Charm was in main decks and could kill the Visions. It was glorious, basically like a new Turbo Stasis. Anything that makes card advantage irrelevant is where my heart is.
I love control decks and played Magic from 97. Millstone was a favourite but my all time favourite control deck was Rising Waters, a mono blue deck with Rising Waters, Rishadan Port, good old counterspell plus so many good blue cards. Won many local tournaments with that one. Almost got my DCI ranking to 1800 during those times. Played the Grand Prix in my country, forget the year, with UG madness, wasnt control but still had awesome blue cards like Wonder!!!! Ah the memories.....thanks CGB for that little trip down memory lane!!!!!
Maybe Gruul next time, loved the Fires deck that Invasion block and Masques block created. Fired of Yavimaya plus cards like Birds of Paradise and Llanowar Elves, Blastoderm and Urzas Rage was so cool. I had a card called Overabundance in my sideboard. Used that with two Urzas Rage to kill my op and win the match in game 2. Sorry for the long post but i could talk MtG for days!!!!!
Cool series! I was hoping you would also go into explaining what mechanics each of the two colours bring to the table and how they synergize.
Would have loved this in a longer format. Dissecting deck-lists, understanding cards that get banned, meta changes, and evolution of win conditions, plus the relationship with aggro/combo lists throughout different formats.
at 1 second in I was thinking: "He better talk about Brian Weissman." I'm 35 seconds in now and very happy w/ you
Very cool series idea! I would love to see more decks archetype throughout the history of mtg
Control is always my favorite strategy. UW control or UB control. It's always the most fun for me.
U have no friends
DAYUM!!!!
@@RaMMsMaiDeN i bet you play red and get all the ladies
Personally UB or UW are my favorites. I tend to pick whichever one will murder mono red while still having a fun experience against other types in the format. If it also makes mono red suffer more then that is an added bonus, since I could play far less efficient and far more fun cards if there were not so many of those decks around so the more I make mono red hate playing the better the game becomes.
I'd like to see the history of green Stompy decks, personally.
Though mono red does have a really rich history. I remember reading about the Sligh mana curve when it was a new invention.
Made a guy flip a table in the shop out of frustration using Reflector Mage. Was like my 3rd time playing magic at FNM.
This video brought back some great memories of playing magic. Thanks
Hell yeah! This was so cool! I want more! Maybe discard-based decks next? Maybe my favorite, 8 rack?
I love it, would love to see more of this series!!
Just throwing some ideas out there.
•Academy
•Affinity
•Counter Sliver
•Counter Top
•Dredge
•Fastbond
•Flash Hulk
•Goblins
•High Tide
•Memory Jar
•Necro
•Nophidian
•Painter
•Prison
•ProspBloom
•Red Aperture
•RecSur (my personal favorite)
•Red Deck Wins (my most played)
•Stax
•Storm
•Tinker
•Trix
•Tron
Control is always my favorite archetype alongside combo since I started in literately last century, I love to build and play anything with non-aggro win-con. I even built and played boros and orzhov control decks.
This is a cool series. Learning about the history of MTG is fun
This was really well done and rather informative! Think you hit a home run sir
Looks like national Geographic document, can't wait for more!
Very cool video series! Really interested in seeing this continue.
Great content. Can't wait for more of this. 👍
this is super sick! for future vids like this, would you be able to cover (shortly, not looking for anything in-depth) the specifics of how the cards combo together (like, for example, how jace combines with stoneforge mystic to be completely oppressive)? i'm pretty new to learning how to play magic and always looking to learn more about card interaction.
Loved the video. And I'll be happily waiting for the golgari midrange episode.
So stoked for this series
My all time favorite deck is UW Millstone, created by Michael Loco Loconto (who won Pro Tour New York in 1996 with it)
I loved this! Looking forward to more of these!
Great first episode! I'm excited for the next one!
Cool!
Another travel in the past... thx CGB!
I would like to see an history of competitive Discard strategies... 8)
Love me some control. Chromium and Teferi, ride or die. Sweet new video series.
Let’s see some green ramp next.
I can't wait for the super condescendingly narrated Mono Red Aggro review!
This is a dope content type! Look forward to more of it!
I would love a Mono Black control episode! Excelent series, btw!
Cool format! I'm a Rarran viewer who enjoys MTG content but I'm not up on the current cards so watching gameplay videos is sometimes too confusing for my little Hearthstone brain - this kind of content is much better for me.
Very cool format, I would love a bit more details, I could see it getting longer (30min ?).
Love you man, thanks for all the good stuff !
The Deck's evolution to Keeper and beyond would be a fun trip down memory lane.
Love the format, just one little thing: The subtitles should probably be lowercase, as it's just so much smoother to read, especially for extended periods of time.
This is great, I like this history video man. Esp for the control mages like me and a lot of us who love the playstyle
joined mtg during war of the spark, after 20years of absence i fell i love with mtg again. bant control right before 3feri ban is my absolute favorite deck
As long as I get to have black spells that read 'this spell can't be countered', then I'm perfectly happy with blue/white existing.
Is U/W control toxic? Yes. Am I a control mage? Yes. Am I secretly a evil sociopath? No questions!
love the little history tidbits about the game.
Loved it. Keep em coming.
I don’t comment often but watch a lot and this was awesome. I like knowing the history of decks
I've come to love many aspects of MTG thanks to this channel. I've found that I too enjoy a good game of UW control.
The style I love most is Aristocrats. I'm a pacifist at heart and hate hurting others, so when playing this archetype it makes them feel the same pain they're inflicting on me, which is most satisfying.
Also sacrificing all of those others to achieve my goal is a sacrifice I am willing to let them make.
You've done card draw, the next logical step would be to ramp.
Really nice summary. I feel like, besides keeping combo in check, it's healthy to have good control decks around because playing them well requires good understanding of the metagame, which in turn promotes growth of the metagame and (hopefully) of the knowledge and understanding of players using other archetypes.
I personally don't like playing full control because I like doing splashier things to win; sometimes ramping or cheating in big creatures, but what I really love is putting together synergies and finding interesting lines of play to get value and stave off the opponent. So mid-range, with elements of control if it's a slower deck, but I explicitly don't want to clear the entire board or prevent my opponent from doing anything; I want them to pose a puzzle for me to solve with what I have.
I don't like when control gets 'braindead' finishers; I'd actually prefer to be chipped down by tokens or land creatures or just be milled out. I also don't love when control has 'easy' card advantage - eg Memory Deluge, because it feels overbearing and less like you can actually find a way through. Like, I'd feel more ok about that Cawblade combo (which I never understood before, I didn't see the line that you could draw 3 then put two hawks back, I had no idea why the hawks were part of it lol, thank you!) because that involves multiple cards and interesting lines.
Amazing concept! Love this video
The next two decks that I would like to see covered make up MtG's 5 colors when combined, and also are the 3 biggest archetypes. These are Red Deck Wins (Aggro) and BG Rock (Midrange).
I have been looking for content like this please more
Another classic that should be in this series should be Necropotence
this is a very cool video series idea, hope to see more :)
big fan of you branching out like this.
Love this!
Edit: Red Deck Wins and THE ROCK (Golgari Midrange) after this please!