How Do You Edit an Animated Film?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Here's a question you may never have thought about before: what does an animation editor actually do? If scenes are just written and then animated, is their role any more than just connecting clips together? On the contrary, the role of an animation editor is actually one of the most important roles in shaping the film being made. Let's dive in and explore the job.
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" If we don't allow us to be wrong, we never gonna make anything new, we will rely on things that we know work. So for us, making mistakes is an essential part of our process, we are not embarrassed about it, in fact we plan for it. "
Such wise words and Disney is still pooping out live actions, not allowing themselves to try something new.
Funny thing is they're playing with things they know work and getting them wrong
Ironic amirite?
Just a heads up guys, Storyboard Artist is a separate role from animators, since they use the principles of animation in their work as well as cinematography, layout, and camerawork. They will do the storyboards for the film, although normally in animation they are originally trained as animators since it is very important to understand the strengths and weakness of the medium. Most storyboard artists I know, including myself are trained as 2D (hand drawn) animators since story boarding is heavy on draftsmanship, which is beaten into you in 2D. But this can mean when working with different animation mediums (stop-motion and CGI) there are whole new sets of rule one has to learn, since these are closer to traditional filmmaking in so far as everything has to be made and you cannot be as abstract, and you actually have 3D space as opposed to an intimation of it.
Also with a lot of TV animation in the USA , Europe, and somewhat in Japan, the animation is often outsourced to Asia (South Korea, China, India, and so on) who won't be in on the preproduction so it is vital the storyboards are crystal clear and understandable otherwise you waste time and money fixing a mistake...if you can.
*cough* steven universe *cough*
Yep!!
Mistakenly read the title as “How to Eat an Animated Film” - turned out to be a really interesting video despite not meeting my expectations!
Sorry I thought this said 'eating my expectations' but I liked this comment regardless!
Eating animated films was easy a few years ago, but unfortunately, everything is digital nowadays.
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Being an animator has to be the hardest and unappreciative job in films and tv.
Lazy Creepypasta also, a fun fact while most directors are men and get credit for the final product but it's actually mostly women who edit the movies making them what they are
I'm sure they get credit somewhere in the credits that no one watches :p
Lazy Creepypasta im an animator
and its pretty hard af
TheShockinglyEloquentDog woof Nobody cares about who the fuck edites shit, it's just a fucking edit not the greatest achievement you can get
SrLiam it's only not a great achievement because it isn't regarded as one. without editing a movie is just camcorder looking footage with no music, sound affects, audible speech and sometimes no reasonable connection from scene to scene
As an animation student it's always great to see that even Pixar who are seen as the pinnacle of creativity and innovation don't get it right on the first time, and actively anticipate failure for the first few edits of their films.
I love this so much. The process behind animation fascinates me.
Me too! Btw just uploaded a vid
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"If we don't allow ourselves to be wrong, we're never gonna do anything new; we're just gonna rely on things that we know work."
Animation, no matter the type (frame-by-frame, stop-motion, CG, etc) is extremely labor-intensive, and so to recreate a shot is expensive. Making storyboards and animatics allows animators to cut out scenes, shots and jokes that don't work---that way they won't have to spend money developing shots that will eventually be cut.
Have you ever wondered how many different jobs there are and how many people work on an animated film? Next time you watch an animated feature, sit through the credits and read the job titles. It's incredible how hundreds of people come together to create one piece of art!
Great vid! Love the references/examples and complete explanation. This appeared in my recommendations, and I'm a new sub. Can't wait to check out the rest of your work!
"The animators" DON'T' "turn those ideas into storyboards." It's the storyboard artists who do that. Some animators have successfully transitioned into storyboarding, but the skillsets for both jobs are quite different.
Unfortunately a lot of people use "animator" as a general term to mean "anyone who works in the animation business".
Fantastic video! Editing is such an under appreciated part of filmmaking, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about how editing works in animation.
That Michael Eisner at the opening made me think I was watching a Defunctland video hahah
So Katzenberg destroyed the dark tone of The Black Cauldron. Shame on him.
Karl Karlos To be fair he saved Disney's animation department (and maybe Disney as a whole) and started the Disney Renaissance.
***** So you wouldn't care if Lion Kong, Beauty and the Beast, The little Mermaid, Mulan, Aladdin, Tarzan, Pocahontas, Hunchback of Norte Dame, etc. Didn't exist? I'd definitely miss them.
And Don Bluth was a huge part of many people's childhoods, the history of animation, and pop culture. He had a lot of success as well.
mokana713
"Lion Kong" sounds actually like a movie I want to watch someday.
Karl Karlos Oh man that sounds like some cheap knockoff movie lol.
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wrong, his 80s movies were great, his 90s movie sucked. Most Disney movies from the 70s and 80s weren't nearly as good as they were when Walt was alive.
For those coming back to this video, I highly recommend the book 'Making the Cut at Pixar', by former senior editor Bill Kinder. Not only a very resourceful book, with tons of behind the scenes footage and interviews as bonus material, but also filled with great anecdotes from the studio during the creation of some of the most iconic scenes in Pixar movies. As he stated in the masterclass he held a couple of months ago, "Pixar's movies are great, because they start out as terrible movies, and it's a joint effort to find what works and what doesn't."
Me: I wanna be an anima-
Reality: *_Woah there buckaroo_*
Yeah, reality hit me in the face with the financial aspect of it.
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I was initially iffy about watching the video because the channel name is so oddly specific, but I am glad I found it. You definitely earned a new subscriber. :) Btw, someone in Pete Docter's family needs to pursue a medical career simply for the high punny level of having a Dr. Docter.
Why would you even consider not watching a video over a channel name? Who does that?
You animate coverage by adding what are called handles (typically 24 frames (1 sec) at the start and end of a shot) so that way it can be edited together more seamlessly.
7:12 Beauty and The Beast, Inside Out's soundtrack and PD making a beautiful statement about allowing yourself to make mistakes and Pixar's ideology. All at once. You have a new subscriber, Andrew.
Wow! The final lines (about making mistakes) is awesome!
as an animator, everything was very well said. and as always, I could see your love for wes anderson peeking out again
That Michael Eisner animatronic at the beginning was very lifelike and convincing.
As an indie director, I think editing probably is one of the most underrated skills in the production timeline. Films have been saved solely by their editing and deserves more credit!
everything is under appreciated except for directors and voice actors
TBH even voice actors are under appreciated I think, they only get any real praise if it is a celebrity voice cast. Voice actors who are primarily voice actors are rarely ever celebrated.
@@richardbourton4523 ikr
having music from inside out at the end was brilliant. the themes of the movie tie into the speech so well
At least in my experience I've heard this principle of the animation process called Preproduction, which depending on the project can be well over the 'third' it represents in sheer iteration and investment. Its really nice to see it presented like 'Pre-Editing' now that I'm starting to look to filmmaking for inspiration in my assignments dealing with animation
This is absolutely phenomenal and I thank you for sharing this with us. I think this actually helped me break through my writer's anxiety.
Great and informative video! But I was curious as to whether or not you'd be interested in comparing the American animation approach to Japanese filmmakers, like Miyazaki or Satoshi Kon, who develop the stories and do all of the storyboarding themselves as well. Personally, I find Japanese animated films more nuanced and cohesive in terms of story and style, whereas American animation studios seem to rely more on comedic gags and stories that often end up hit-or-miss, possibly due to this lack of a more cohesive vision and voice from a singular storyteller.
Thank you. I'm a wannabe animator, and currently working on an animated short as a thesis film for college (although, now, I'm just the sound director, the slave of the creative force). And this is a question I thought of time and time again, but never really gave it the deserving attention, or went after answers. I just stumbled on this video on my recommendations, and it's done wonders for me. So thank you so much, and I am SO subscribed and ready to binge your other videos.
That quote at the end is so on point. Thanks for making this video!
fantastic quote at the end!
4:10 definitely pulling that one out when I go to art school!
Thank you for making this. I really needed this video essay. I make animations in my spare time(you can find my work on my channel) and recently found myself stuck on my current project. I came up with an initial story and began working on it, but over time it feels like what I came up with isn't very good. Knowing that the pros don't get things right the first time and have to go through a lot of iteration has helped encouraged me to keep going and to rethink my ideas.
I HAD NO IDEA an editor for an animated film was that involved. Thank you so much for making this! gives me much more excitement to be an editor
I can't tell you how much I'm happy after finding this channel!!
Here you have my first sub in 2017
Editors have a vison for a film as well. They may not be the director but they do have an eye for the directors vision (if done right) and can keep a director grounded and keep to one idea. Its an amazing and (imo) underappreciated part of animation and film. Idk
I'm so happy I found this channel. I'm pretty sure that animation is the thing I want to do and pursue, it fascinated me as a child.
I had never thought about this aspect of Animation. The Editor is essentially another Director/Writer etc rolle0d into one
Thanks for putting those information together. As an animator I spend 3/4 of time only on making a story and preparing everything to actual shooting.
That last statement is a major life lesson. Failing to plan for mistakes is a large part of the reason that we start so many things, and never finish them.
I fully appreciate every little detail that goes in animation
Dude, why haven't I found you sooner? And why don't you have more views? I basically watched all your stuff today - because it's brilliant!
Holy hell this video was made very well. Good job! There isn't nearly enough content of this quality on RUclips.
before I watch, the answer is, "slowly"
Brilliant video. I was never aware of how individuals edited an animated film, but this truly enlightened me to the matter. Thank you. Keep up the excellent work!
beautifully said and well written
Terrific video. Thank you so much!
I gasped and clapped when I saw mr fox omg
i remember that movie!
That last bit about making mistakes is great advice for how best to approach life.
Thank you for making these videos. You always have unique things to say and stories to tell that I've never heard before. You deserve more subscribers
Very interesting video, I have never even though how different the process of editing an animated film is
I just wonder how an uncut black cauldron would be
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This was a unique video compared to the usual of video film essay of any creator. Nice change of pace
Wonderful video! I work in the animation world and its wonderful to see a video like this. Thanks for the video!
this was great - beautifully explained ;)
its mindblowing no one at disney saw the story board for the black cauldron and said "o-okay lets tone this down first".
Like I'll give you any other publisher doing this for their first animated feature film.
but... This was disney.
That Inside out music is just so beautiful.
creativity yay!
the black cauldron is so underrated tbh ! Really cool evil character
Great essay! Thanks for opening my eyes to editor in animation.
This was really well done! You just earned a new subscriber
So then what happened to Black Cauldron? Did they redo the shots or just take out some footage here and there?
I'm not sure. The film still has a very dark tone for a children's film, but I would like to see the original to compare.
They just removed the scenes they didn't want and it hurt the movie significantly. Apparently it was too dark and too long, so all the zombies killing people, as well as most of the fights, were all removed. However, the master tape is still in existence, so they can release the uncut version in the future if they wanted.
I think they removed somewhere like 6-14 minutes, including some of the more gory footage, then reanimated the stuff they cut to fit “good enough” into the movie.
The worst part is that he didn’t even bother to look at the movie (no storyboards, animatics, nothing) until it was fully created, edited, and ready for release.
THEN he told them to cut x amount of minutes, and even when they came back with as much as they could cut without butchering the movie, his only question was “did you cut the amount I told you to cut” when told no, he refused to listen, telling them to “cut more, and don’t come back to me until you have”.
Being an animator myself, I lost a lot of respect for them man, literally coming in and expecting things to run HIS way, while refusing to listen to reason.
Yeah, the Disney rennisaunce (spelling) happened while he was there, but he wasn’t the only one in charge, and even if he was, he flatly refused to listen to reason.
(I’m not saying he wasn’t talented, because he clearly was. But this was his first animated feature, and you don’t work at a restaurant after working in a soup kitchen, and just EXPECT to know what you’re doing because you’ve worked with food before)
thank you so much for the video!!
Beautiful as always - thanks for the insights! I think that I can relate here more than in different spheres of filmmaking as I've messed around with stop motion for quite a while and remember reshooting unsatisfying scenes on my one-man-project vividly. It was a pain in the ass, but at the same time an amazing power of control. Sure, it has the downside of responsibility, but all the options it gives are worth it :)
I remember when I was a kid, I used to say that I always wanted to be an animator. I hope I could turn back time and pursued my dream.
I already understand the difficulty of animation, yet I am always fascinated by its process
I know this is cliche advice but you really can start learning anytime. There's so many free resources online to get you started. Good animation is difficult, but starting is just a matter of patience.
hey, man, keep bringing the goods. you'll make it. i believe in you.
I really expected to see something super surprising but this is pretty much what I thought it would be
Instantly subscribed. Great content man.
Awesome work.
Thank you so much, I've always wanted to know this!
man I love inside out soundtrack
I hope the uncut version of the Black auldron will be released someday.
This channel always makes my day.
Great documentary! Keep posting!
Imagine how painstainkingly crude all this process had been during Snow White production before its 1938 premiere. Disney and his crew had actually prepared nearly an hour of extra content that was progressively trimmed out and polished into the film we all know for nearly a century. Respect.
This is an amazing video.
Love this!
There's the old saying that a live action film is written 3 times, with this it sounds like animated films are written many more times than that.
Jesus that behind the scenes of the Kubo and the Two Strings shot was amazing
What an amazing video!
Your channel is gold, keep up please !
Always wondered this. I think that the industry is moving toward a format where the editor is more incorporated in the beginning, especially now that nearly every movie has some sort of VFX
Its funny cause this process of editing first, filming later seems like it would help live action just as much as animation. Sure with live action you can reshoot, cut some stuff together, etc. but you could argue animation could hypothetically do the same. With this process of editing first, they eliminate that need however which is something that would benefit live film just as much. Editing in animation is just thorough planning not even editing per say. It maximizes efficiency so you don't have to have delays, reshoots or waste more resources than necessary.
Great Channel, keep making videos!!
Hey, I see a little error in the video. I'm a Storyboard artist for TV animation, the animators do not draw storyboards. The storyboard artists do, they are also in the editing room writing most of the movie thus the title "Story artist". They help write with the director and then draw their ideas in a panel format, the editor strings these together with voice/sound fx and then it is revised. Animators get the animatic (The clipped together storyboard) and animate those scenes, adding their acting choices. I feel as though people say "Animator" as a blanket term for person who draws in animated films but that's not true. Animators are the people who make the characters move, Designers are the people who decide what the characters looks like and the Story artist makes the ideas visual.
I’ve watched this video countless times! I love video editing but am more interested in animated films. I hope, one day if I’m the same way, I can edit in one of the Pixar movies
What a great video. Keep up the good work!
Super interesting, loved it!
dope video as always man
Carefully I hope
Hey guys! I really enjoyed the video, but I would like to make a suggestion that you turn down the background music, as it can be difficult to hear the narrator at certain points.
I love you for using the Inside Out OST
Alright, wow, it seems just insane that edition needs to be done from stem...
Great little documentary 👍🏻
i love these types of videos. keep it up :)
I wonder if it would be feasible to do the same sort of process with live action filmmaking, storyboarding and re-storyboarding, setting it to temp dialogue and music to create an animatic for the entire feature so you can see how well it works.
Hello Andrew,
My name is Dave Pez, I work for the non-profit AnimationResources.org . We are an educational non-profit that focuses on using the great works of the past to inform/ educate the modern artist/ filmmaker. We at Animation Resources love the work you have been doing and I would love talk to you about your mini docs and other projects.
Thanks
Dave
Amazing video!
Very informative, thanks for helping an amateur!
Who are you and how have I never heard of you before? Great stuff.
Great!
I'd just like to say that I think live action directors should have a similar approach. You should have a very clearly defined idea of what everything is supposed to look like and not just appear on set and point the camera at things happening.
thats the case most of the time anyway.. directors for live action still draw up storyboards and plan their shots, its just a different process
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I know it does happen.
But considering how many basic shot reverse shots there are, with no close ups or really any change in camera position.
But particularly looking at hand to hand action sequences it's just getting worse and worse.
The way they seem to do it now is that you have a stunt team to their work, and then just have several cameramen at the same time basically all doing close ups and let the thing be edited into an incomprehensible mess for which I just don't believe people have thought about each shot you see.
Basic reverse shot can be great if done properly.. watch Fargo, for example. There is nothing wrong with simple, I actually prefer it over the fucking ridiculous over-use of dolly that is rampant on modern cinema. What's the point of moving a camera around just for the sake of moving it if you are not showing anything new to the audience? It's like adding make-up to a dog. It's awful. I'd say modern cinema over-complicates more than what it oversimplifies.
Also, some of the best directors used to change a lot of stuff and improvise on set. It's good to have a plan.. but some directors even work without script at all and still do really good cinema. It's about doing it right, mostly.
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With basic shot reverse shot I mean just showing the face of the person talking, Star Wars prequel style.
And sure if you suddenly get a good idea on set... The actual problem is that it's done without thought of course, and to get really impressive shots you just _have_ to do a lot of planning.
Storyboards in live-action are actually quite common. for example: Both Star Wars and Lord of the rings use them.