@@James-if3kc The Attitude Era crowd was basically the same thing. Both were loud. Wrestling is at its best when it feels like a party. You want people in the crowd to actually care. I’m glad the Backlash crowd cared that much. I agree with Vince Russo about storytelling, but he can’t talk about rowdy crowds when he had to deal with crowds like that every week from 1997 to 1999.
@@RonWeassly It's not the same thing. Not at all. What you saw in the Attitude Era was genuine enthusiasm, people loving the faces and booing the heels. True excitement, magic in the air. What you see now, however, is not that at all. What this is, is a bunch of "smart fans" wanting to show how smart they are, hijacking the show just to get themselves over. The constant chanting, the constant singing. Go back and watch the Attitude Era. It wasn't like that at all. They cheered and booed at the right times, and they chanted things that made sense at the right times. Now it's just a contest to see who can be more loud and obnoxious. It's about getting themselves over. They are basically laughing at wrestling. And it is hurting the shows. It's making them unwatchable for the people at home. Russo knows what he's talking about, that's why he can't stand it either. He knows what the Attitude Era crowds were like, and they ere FAR better than these ones because they weren't trying to make themselves the star of the show. And HHH is encouraging this and making it worse. He's always been this way. I was just watching a Sunday Night Heat from 1999 and he was cutting a promo talking about how he got DX "over". Nobody else was using insider terms on tv back then, but HHH was. He has been determined for DECADES to expose the business and remind you it's all fake. And now he's running the company, and he's encouraging these marks to do the same thing.
@@James-if3kc I can agree that WWE is definitely not as hot as Triple H wants us to be. However, I’ll take crowds like the one at Backlash over no crowd reaction. When people don’t care, that’s a problem. And like I said before, you are not gonna get the fans on board with cheering faces and booing heels unless the writing is good. I like to think back to that old video someone posted at the Impact zone when TNA was there. One of the writers or producers came out before one of the tapings and said that they are trying to write television and the crowd needs to play along with the show. That was wrong.
@@James-if3kc Also, Russo used industry and “shoot style,” words and references in his writing. It wasn’t just Triple H doing this. This style of “shoot,” writing flowed into WCW. Especially the bash at the beach stuff. But I do agree that fans need to stop following Dave Meltzer and other backstage reporters. The show is more fun when you have no idea what’s gonna happen next. When I started watching in late 2003, I had no idea about wrestling media. I knew wrestling was fake, but didn’t care. Me and my friends would talk about it like any other TV show. I went on a message board in 2005 and people got angry for me and was calling me a mark because I was talking about it as if it were “real.” I swear, we are the only fanbase that can’t talk about it like an actual TV show without some dirt sheet reader saying, “You know it’s fake right? You know so and so is a better wrestler than this guy?” Yeah, forget those fans.
People having a great time at your show, the crowd is alive instead of sitting on their hands. Maybe the Thunderdome WWE crowd is what the lazy writers prefer, but I definitely prefer a crowd like the Backlash one.
Everybodys a star. In their own mind. Audiences didnt act like this decades ago because people in general didnt act like this. Its a symptom of a larger problem. The narcissism from social media is off the charts.
wtf do you mean the audience didnt act like this 10 years ago? Its not about time its about the place, its a crowd in Europe, meaning they arent soulless losers that constantly sit on their ass and they will chant and have fun
the one and only single reason people talk about the crowd is because of how absolutely fucking dead and dickless are the crowds in the US, russo is wrong again
Vince, Im so glad you brought this up and 1000% agree. Cody seemingly was annoyed during the sd face to face with AJ. I think even ignored the crowd at one point. Foreign crowds are great with pops bit France went too far.
That crowd ANNOYED the ever living shit out of me especially during the opening tag match. I had to fast forward through most of it because the crowd made me pissed like 5 times. Stfu seriouslu
I watched the whole show on mute because I already knew it was coming. I usually watch all WWE shows on mute lately anyway because I can't stand any of the comentators. McAfee is an obnoxious mark, Cole is annoying as hell with all his little shots at Vince McMahon now, Graves is a supreme d 0 uche, and so is Barrett.
I get what you're saying but that's the 1st LIVE PPV EVENT ever in France and the Crowd was incredible. We've all seen events where the crowd was lame and zero energy. The script goes out the window let's have fun and blow the roof off the joint with a great match.
Found it annoying at times too, but whatever happened to the philosophy of "If you pay for a ticket, you can cheer and/or boo as much as you want to whomever you want"
That ethos holds up more in a sports setting. Not in a performing art setting. Pro wrestling as a mix of the two, sits in an odd spot where many things wrestling crowds do would be considered disrespectful in a different arena.
@TheOldMPClub But how is it the audience's problem if a character cannot get the wanted reaction? If the audience does not want to cheer or boo the wrestler, that is COMPLETELY the fault of the wrestler for not getting the intended reaction for their character and the writers for being bad at their jobs.
@@TheOldMPClub you are bullshitting. Its also pretty hypocritical how you never mention shit like this when the crowd is dead af(which is the norm in the US), the wrestlers arent getting the intended reaction and it is disrespectful but you people never complain then
I understand the criticism of the French crowd. At first, I thought they were amazing but after hearing some of the opinions from wrestlers and knowing what they were chanting, my opinion has a shifted a little bit. At the same time though, it was the first time they had a PPV in France and I rather have a hyped crowd then a dead crowd. So they were a bit much in retrospect BUT still, I'd take a hot crowd over a dead, too-cool-for-school crowd any day.
That’s what you get when you send an English speaking show to a foreign country. These crowds when they are at home these shows are dubbed or subtitled in their language, it’s not the same when it’s a live show. So apparently they don’t care what is being said when they are at live events. Just do house shows there and that’s it that doesn’t require storytelling.
Even the japs don’t do soccer chants and crap when nothing’s happening. There’s a difference between reacting to something entertaining, and just making noise for the sake of it…
You lack the ability to critically think if you believe that. Just because he doesn't like fans hijacking the show with the consistent repetitive chants doesn't mean he wants silence.
No, he wants a respectful audience. One that agrees to play a long with the performance, not one that wants to control how the performance plays out. We ain't rewriting the show because you wanted to be edgy and didn't clap to save Tinker Bell.
It sounded completely phony. The place was noisy as hell, but there wasn't an ounce of genuine emotion. If a babyface did a big comeback, it meant nothing, because the crowd had been yelling and chanting mindlessly the whole show. It's like if a sitcom had the laugh track playing at full volume nonstop for the whole half-hour.
I was in the Crowd for Backlash, it was awesome! But I understand your point of view. Sorry for being so lively. One question, what storyline was disrupted due to the crowd?
That crowd was one of the best crowds ever , once again Russo is looking at beautiful picture and finding the ugly pixel, and of course his parrots Chris featherstone and EC3 are going to agree with him. As much as people want to get on cornette for being who he is , not liking modern wrestling and having racist undertones, at least he loved the show and the crowd , Russo sounds bitter
At times they would even ignore the in ring action to sing their songs. Their enthusiasm was cool but they were clearly more interested in getting themselves over. If you don't understand that then you're a mark.
@@SmoothSportsGaming calling other marks while talking about the product makes you a mark as well. That crowd made that show even if it did get annoying at times
I’m pretty sure the producers loved it. “Get a shot of that group of people over there. Money!” I’m pretty sure TKO loved it. “Yeah, we’re doing this again next year” But, I’m sure it must have been hard to work as a wrestler since crowds aren’t that loud anymore and they didn’t care that much about faces and heels there in France.
Hi I was at Smackdown and Backlash in France (my first ever wrestling shows) and I get your point because sometimes I was worried about what you've talked about. Sometimes the crowd was more focused about "putting themselves over" rather than being focused on the action in the ring, especially with the "phenomenal" chants and the "Simplement deux" ("Only two") routine, I agree. But the point is : France received the chance to host a PPV, their very first one. Wrestlers loved what we did in previous live event in the past years so it was our opportunity to prove we love wrestling and we deserved to host more shows. So we went loud. Yes sometimes we went "too far" with the chants probably because we were more in a "let's have a good time" mood rather than a "listen to every word they said" mood. And I understand that as a booker, you could be annoyed by this Vince. But the more important thing is : we were never quiet. We were reacting for everything, every wrestler, even the referee and the announcer because we were thankful they were there. We never intended to be disrespectful towards anyone,. And WWE and most fans loved it because it's not that often nowadays that a crowd is so lively and so invested in every move. I think for someone who worked for the company during the Attitude Era with energetic and passionated crowds every week, you can at least appreciate that Vince ;)
@@Literal_Sense I get that for sure but the breaking out into songs and chants every 2 minutes is stupid af and annoying.. anyone who liked it or thinks it was ok is completely lost or just brainless
7:50 Its difficult. Yes you want the large crowd for tickets, tv, matches. But it can go against you because they right chant the whole show or hijack. Why I think I like Japan because theyre respectful but will still pop when they need to or get on board with storytelling in ring.
Did the crowd get a bit much during the title match? Sure. But the French crowd was amazing and elevated a B-Level PPV. Silence would have been worse IMHO.
@RahulSambaragi Russo wasn’t speaking the truth. While yes the crowd did get annoying at times, that crowd is what made that show better than it was supposed to be . Even Jim cornette liked it
That crowd during the ppv was beyond annoying....i understand cheering but for every second of a 3 hour ppv and 2 hr smackdown is overboard...and the singing of the theme songs was even worse they new the words of the chorus and literally mumbled the rest
Vince no offense but we know you never cared about pro wrestling so you're not in a position to be complaining about how an audience should or should not react and the fact that they got a crowd to react is better than the damn silent during the TV tapings of raw and Smackdown when there's no reaction sometimes from the crowd
One days it’s the crowd is so dead, and next day it’s the crowd we’re too wild. You can’t win lol, the crowd was different and energetic, get over it it was only for a week
I liked the crowd BUT almost all of the PLE I was distracted. England works well. They will listen and pay attention to the match but still have their moments.
I agree 1000 percent with russo on this one. Yes they pay hard earned money to enjoy themselves but at the same time it is disrespectful for the talent trying to perform and do their jobs. Especially when they trying to cut a promo. Its almost as if they didnt even care wat was going on. I agree i was very annoying at first but as the show kept going it wasnt that bad i still watched and enjoyed the show and the ple. But yea i def agree with russo it was very disrespectful for the talent.
I think EC3 take is a damn good one. If it is a once a year thing book based on that crowd, if it keeps happenening the n that would be annoying as a talent.
To anyone form Europe reading this .. Nobody in the United States give a F about Soccer. We actually are disgusted with how soft and average most of the players look and act.
You are clueless mate and u have no idea what u are talking about lol. No one cares what u think and u see as ignorant as Russo 😂😂😂. Soccer is the greatest sport in the world. Your nba doesn’t even draw more than 4m views
I dunno, pay per views ( or P.L.Es) are not the places for 10 or 15 minute promos! 5 minutes, tops! I was tempted to walk out of Wrestlemania 3 because the Hulk Hogan/Andre recap was too freaking LONG! The rule for any live event is "keep the audience engaged"!
Finally someone tellig the truth about this crowd. That backlash crowd was the worst. I almost had to mute my TV. But i actually wanted to hear other things. It was unbearable.
As a performance arts person, this is something that bugs me to hell in pro wrestling. Most of this activity is not tolerated in any other form. There has to be some level of respect to the performance. You are a live crowd, you can play along, you shouldn't try to interject or disrupt the performance. Maybe it's the whole "pretend sport" thing that makes them entitled to do so. But i mean there's still sports elements in other things that don't attract such behavior.
I have to listen to that constant chanting anything during soccer games, I don't want to hear it in wrestling matches. Also, "woahs" during entrances annoy me as well.
People pay their tickets. They give money to WWE. NO AUDIENCE, NO WWE. The crowd can do whatever they want in the stands...It's not about respect or disrespect. It's about money. They pay, they decide. And that's the bottom line!
If you hated the crowd, then I’m sorry. That was the best crowd I’ve heard at a show in a long time. They were so into it. Sorry but Russo has no clue what he’s talking about. The crowd elevated an average show to be one that was enjoyable. It’s fun to hear people into a show from start to finish. Truthfully a lot of crowds here need to take notes on how to have fun at a show.
It was a GREAT crowd, but the constant chanting like they were at a soccer game got annoying after a while. You're sitting there thinking "Man, shut up!" I don't need to hear that for three straight hours.
This criticism is stupid. Its a French crowd that probably doesn't even understood English. They are there for the action. It was a sellout. They loved the show. Success
I've been saying this for years. These crowds are off the charts obnoxious now, ESPECIALLY in European countries. They think they have the right to RUIN the shows for everyone else watching. I watched this whole show on mute because I knew it was going to be like this. And HHH will continue bragging about how they're "hotter than ever" and encouraging this behavior. The two major companies are trading places now. The AEW crowds aren't nearly this obnoxious, whereas WWE is encouraging the fans to be like this. Especially on NXT. Can't stand it anymore. HHH is promoting all of the worst things about wrestling. I never thought this day would come but I actually prefer AEW to WWE now. WWE is so far up their own *** right now that it hurts.
Aew is not like this anymore cos it’s a dead company with dwelling attendances while the wwe is hot. How dare u tell people how to chant? You’re just a keyboard warriors like Russo.
@@cashmontoks WWE ain't hot, but it's nice that you believe HHH's lies. I can express my opinion if I want, like Russo can, who made more money in wrestling than you will ever see in your life.
I see this as a glass half full. You want fan excitement. You want them to have fun and come back regardless of the story. You want crowds to be loud. That way the next place has a standard, and you don't want to be the rip crowd. Now for mania you can work around that. No way that crowd can handle mania and keep that same level of excitement. But I'll take the good of an exciting crowd, yes to American crowds it might be too much but to them it is normal. But you don't get that same level of energy every week. NO matter if fans want to replicate it in the net town. They won't be able to, because it's not normal for them. They can see wwe live in a couple of months if they miss that show. Now the DOM effect. When crowds start having fun board they are saying something to management. They are taking a under-name talent and giving them the star treatment, just with BOOs. Like Dom you give them more and hope he grows and learns to handle it naturally and feeds off it. At least they aren't chanting CM punk like Chicago. It's not what the crowd is doing, but why are they doing it that's important. If the office learns that they can make money off it. If they fight the crowds they will lose money. That simple. No offense Vince but if im booking and a writer comes up to me and says this is bullcrap. The crowd is ruining my script. Im saying, screw your script tonight we are having fun. We will get back on the script next week. Now shut up because i cant hear you over the crowd. Im going to go with excitement = money in a place used to having loud and vocal crowds. Im also making a note. Next time we come to france, less dialog and more wrestling. So next time we understand what the fans will bring and we will cater to that crowd. I said the same thing about reigns title run. Reigns deserves to be the champion. He has earned a lighter schedule. But sadly, fans don't want that. Fans want a champion who is going to be coming to town often that they can look forward to seeing. Imagine watching the new John Wick movie and John is only in it at the closing act. I see what you all are going for and i understand your views and points. Many legitimate gripes. But i think WWE needed that crowd and they delivered. I'm just a fan. But the fans really made an average PPV big-time. They made it feel like a mania event. There is money to be made there. If im AEW im looking at how much did it cost to put that show on there? That's a market we need to book this year. I was a fan of the old wrestling. You know what they did in the 70s if the crowd did something the wrestlers didnt like? They did nothing at all. Headlock for 10 mins, armbar on the mat for 10 mins until you stop doing or saying it.
Positives: Orton theme song Making the matches more exciting than typical. Uso entrance. Negatives: The stupid 2 count singing. The idiotic dancing. The Phenomenal singing. Ha.
There he is again. You should be banned from typing "Ha." I'm tired of seeing you everywhere. RUclips,just please add a "hide users comments" button so I can use it on this man.
@@cashmontoks No, the peak of wrestling was 1999 which was when RAW was busy doing its highest ever viewership (6.02 average that year compared to 2000's 5.88, as well as the highest single watched episode and single highest watched segment in RAW's history). Keep buying into Meltzer and Corny's false narrative though.
That crowd was sooo annoying smh they sounded like a true fake crowd that each and every one of them got paid to be on that show lol they acted like if they were in a World Cup soccer game lol
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That's how an average European audience shouts and chants in any of their sporting events. There was nothing disrespectful about what they did It's a cultural thing. But for the crowd, that would have been an average show.
@@James-if3kc their culture far better than a silent stadium that only shouts because something happened on the field. And note it's only in North America that you all keep silent during sporting events. In Africa, South America, Asia, the fans chant and cheer for the athletes, the performer on the field to spur them on. If the wrestlers who were in France didn't complain but loved every bit of what the fans did then why are none actors complaining? That's what sucks!
I find it funny people are complaining about the crowd doing what they’re supposed to do which is give a response but literally a couple weeks ago was bashing the WM40 crowd for doing the opposite & not responding when they felt the crowd was supposed to lol like Vince & a lot of you people just sound like hypocrites ! The same people would be fuming if there wasn’t a response at all ! Like how are we really getting mad at the crowd when that’s literally what they’re there for ! To give a response lol y’all complaining now but let the next crowd at a ppv make it seem like it’s the pandemic all over & y’all gone have something to say about that lol marks
I think you're at fault for not being able to see Russo's point of view. Your black & White thinking is preventing you from seeing it. Let me give you an example. If I go out on a date with someone I wouldn't like if she was quiet the whole time. But I also wouldn't like it if she was yelling and chanting random songs during our convos.
@@SmoothSportsGaming I do see his point but you’re obviously missing mine ! This the same guy that complained like everybody else about how lame the WM40 crowd was yet bashes the backlash crowd for doing the opposite ! I’ve heard him & everybody else complain about the absence of the fans during the pandemic, fans come back then it’s what are they hear for if they aren’t reacting, crowd reacts non stop & now it’s a bad thing lol the crowd is literally to react, good or bad, a little or a lot, but it’s stupid to bas fans for what they’re supposed to do ! If we’re being real, besides The Rock being back, crowds have sucked & it was refreshing to actually see them not only respond but kept the energy throughout the show ! Getting mad at fans for reacting is dumb no matter if you thought it was too much or perfect. That’s like getting mad at wrestlers for wrestling lol
@@SmoothSportsGamingRusso has no point. He is as clueless as his marks and if he knew what he was saying he would have a job in wrestling or on television.he is just an out of touch moron that shouts on his channel that has less views than jdfromny.
Vince Russo is the most bitter guy in pro wrestling history and the guy has no redeeming qualities. At least cornette and Eric b are balanced. This is a guy that run a RUclips channel that looks like something out of the basement of a kid and has ec3 looking like his on meth.
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I enjoyed the crowd it was like a party..
Thats not what a wrestling show is supposed to be.
@@James-if3kc The Attitude Era crowd was basically the same thing. Both were loud. Wrestling is at its best when it feels like a party. You want people in the crowd to actually care. I’m glad the Backlash crowd cared that much.
I agree with Vince Russo about storytelling, but he can’t talk about rowdy crowds when he had to deal with crowds like that every week from 1997 to 1999.
@@RonWeassly It's not the same thing. Not at all. What you saw in the Attitude Era was genuine enthusiasm, people loving the faces and booing the heels. True excitement, magic in the air. What you see now, however, is not that at all. What this is, is a bunch of "smart fans" wanting to show how smart they are, hijacking the show just to get themselves over. The constant chanting, the constant singing. Go back and watch the Attitude Era. It wasn't like that at all. They cheered and booed at the right times, and they chanted things that made sense at the right times. Now it's just a contest to see who can be more loud and obnoxious. It's about getting themselves over. They are basically laughing at wrestling. And it is hurting the shows. It's making them unwatchable for the people at home. Russo knows what he's talking about, that's why he can't stand it either. He knows what the Attitude Era crowds were like, and they ere FAR better than these ones because they weren't trying to make themselves the star of the show. And HHH is encouraging this and making it worse. He's always been this way. I was just watching a Sunday Night Heat from 1999 and he was cutting a promo talking about how he got DX "over". Nobody else was using insider terms on tv back then, but HHH was. He has been determined for DECADES to expose the business and remind you it's all fake. And now he's running the company, and he's encouraging these marks to do the same thing.
@@James-if3kc I can agree that WWE is definitely not as hot as Triple H wants us to be. However, I’ll take crowds like the one at Backlash over no crowd reaction. When people don’t care, that’s a problem.
And like I said before, you are not gonna get the fans on board with cheering faces and booing heels unless the writing is good.
I like to think back to that old video someone posted at the Impact zone when TNA was there. One of the writers or producers came out before one of the tapings and said that they are trying to write television and the crowd needs to play along with the show. That was wrong.
@@James-if3kc Also, Russo used industry and “shoot style,” words and references in his writing. It wasn’t just Triple H doing this. This style of “shoot,” writing flowed into WCW. Especially the bash at the beach stuff.
But I do agree that fans need to stop following Dave Meltzer and other backstage reporters. The show is more fun when you have no idea what’s gonna happen next. When I started watching in late 2003, I
had no idea about wrestling media. I knew wrestling was fake, but didn’t care. Me and my friends would talk about it like any other TV show.
I went on a message board in 2005 and people got angry for me and was calling me a mark because I was talking about it as if it were “real.” I swear, we are the only fanbase that can’t talk about it like an actual TV show without some dirt sheet reader saying, “You know it’s fake right? You know so and so is a better wrestler than this guy?”
Yeah, forget those fans.
People having a great time at your show, the crowd is alive instead of sitting on their hands. Maybe the Thunderdome WWE crowd is what the lazy writers prefer, but I definitely prefer a crowd like the Backlash one.
Everybodys a star. In their own mind. Audiences didnt act like this decades ago because people in general didnt act like this. Its a symptom of a larger problem. The narcissism from social media is off the charts.
You're absolutely right. Smart marks have always been bad, but this is ridiculous. The internet has made them unbearable.
wtf do you mean the audience didnt act like this 10 years ago? Its not about time its about the place, its a crowd in Europe, meaning they arent soulless losers that constantly sit on their ass and they will chant and have fun
When 99% of the media coverage of Backlash is about the crowd, that says everything you need to know about the product. Russo is right
the one and only single reason people talk about the crowd is because of how absolutely fucking dead and dickless are the crowds in the US, russo is wrong again
Vince, Im so glad you brought this up and 1000% agree. Cody seemingly was annoyed during the sd face to face with AJ. I think even ignored the crowd at one point. Foreign crowds are great with pops bit France went too far.
They Grey Pouponed all over the whole show.
That crowd ANNOYED the ever living shit out of me especially during the opening tag match. I had to fast forward through most of it because the crowd made me pissed like 5 times. Stfu seriouslu
Same thing here
I watched the whole show on mute because I already knew it was coming. I usually watch all WWE shows on mute lately anyway because I can't stand any of the comentators. McAfee is an obnoxious mark, Cole is annoying as hell with all his little shots at Vince McMahon now, Graves is a supreme d 0 uche, and so is Barrett.
It was annoying because they kept chanting/singing the same shit during EVERY SINGLE MATCH!
I get what you're saying but that's the 1st LIVE PPV EVENT ever in France and the Crowd was incredible. We've all seen events where the crowd was lame and zero energy. The script goes out the window let's have fun and blow the roof off the joint with a great match.
Thereby ruining the whole PPV. Bad take.
@Pheonixrising24 Exactly. This has been going on for 20 years and it's getting even worse now, and HHH is encouraging it, which is disgusting.
HHH is making this even worse by encouraging it.
Found it annoying at times too, but whatever happened to the philosophy of "If you pay for a ticket, you can cheer and/or boo as much as you want to whomever you want"
That ethos holds up more in a sports setting. Not in a performing art setting. Pro wrestling as a mix of the two, sits in an odd spot where many things wrestling crowds do would be considered disrespectful in a different arena.
@TheOldMPClub But how is it the audience's problem if a character cannot get the wanted reaction? If the audience does not want to cheer or boo the wrestler, that is COMPLETELY the fault of the wrestler for not getting the intended reaction for their character and the writers for being bad at their jobs.
@@TheOldMPClub you are bullshitting. Its also pretty hypocritical how you never mention shit like this when the crowd is dead af(which is the norm in the US), the wrestlers arent getting the intended reaction and it is disrespectful but you people never complain then
@@mgarcia3771 vince russo doesn't understand crowd reactions, he was hella mad a few years ago about the holy shit chants
most obnoxious crowd, didn't need sound effects for every punch or movement for 3 hours
I understand the criticism of the French crowd. At first, I thought they were amazing but after hearing some of the opinions from wrestlers and knowing what they were chanting, my opinion has a shifted a little bit. At the same time though, it was the first time they had a PPV in France and I rather have a hyped crowd then a dead crowd. So they were a bit much in retrospect BUT still, I'd take a hot crowd over a dead, too-cool-for-school crowd any day.
That’s what you get when you send an English speaking show to a foreign country. These crowds when they are at home these shows are dubbed or subtitled in their language, it’s not the same when it’s a live show. So apparently they don’t care what is being said when they are at live events.
Just do house shows there and that’s it that doesn’t require storytelling.
I thought I was buggin. Constant chanting for 2 and a half hours😂. The marks in America ain’t as bad as this😂😂😂
Comes across as extremely selfish and obnoxious. I watched the whole thing on mute because I knew this would happen.
if you watch football than you'll understand why these european crowds are like this
They're americans . No group of people more ignorant and self indulgence
The only ghost quiet audience you will ever see, save the oohs, awws and a little pop, is Japan, so Vince wants a Japanese style crowd
And Aew dynamites.
Ha.
Even the japs don’t do soccer chants and crap when nothing’s happening. There’s a difference between reacting to something entertaining, and just making noise for the sake of it…
You lack the ability to critically think if you believe that. Just because he doesn't like fans hijacking the show with the consistent repetitive chants doesn't mean he wants silence.
@@Am0ment0fB
AEW audience literally wants to be Japan so bad
No, he wants a respectful audience. One that agrees to play a long with the performance, not one that wants to control how the performance plays out.
We ain't rewriting the show because you wanted to be edgy and didn't clap to save Tinker Bell.
The crowd were awesome but i find it annoying too.
One part annoying
One part awesome.
Ha.
These marks don't understand that concept. Their Marky brains only allow them to think "Hater!"
It sounded completely phony.
The place was noisy as hell, but there wasn't an ounce of genuine emotion.
If a babyface did a big comeback, it meant nothing, because the crowd had been yelling and chanting mindlessly the whole show.
It's like if a sitcom had the laugh track playing at full volume nonstop for the whole half-hour.
we get it, you are 60+
If like the Clash At The Castle fans in Glasgow . Theyve also paid £300 to £2 000 just to .get in, They are gonna be heard!!
I was in the Crowd for Backlash, it was awesome! But I understand your point of view. Sorry for being so lively. One question, what storyline was disrupted due to the crowd?
That crowd was one of the best crowds ever , once again Russo is looking at beautiful picture and finding the ugly pixel, and of course his parrots Chris featherstone and EC3 are going to agree with him. As much as people want to get on cornette for being who he is , not liking modern wrestling and having racist undertones, at least he loved the show and the crowd , Russo sounds bitter
Cornette is a hack. Not racist though. He loves Bobby Lashley.
At times they would even ignore the in ring action to sing their songs. Their enthusiasm was cool but they were clearly more interested in getting themselves over. If you don't understand that then you're a mark.
@@SmoothSportsGaming This has been a problem for years and it's only getting worse, and HHH is promoting it.
@@SmoothSportsGaming Nothing is as important to wrestling marks as wrestling marks.
@@SmoothSportsGaming calling other marks while talking about the product makes you a mark as well. That crowd made that show even if it did get annoying at times
I thought the crowd was amazing and it made backlash better.
I’m pretty sure the producers loved it. “Get a shot of that group of people over there. Money!”
I’m pretty sure TKO loved it. “Yeah, we’re doing this again next year”
But, I’m sure it must have been hard to work as a wrestler since crowds aren’t that loud anymore and they didn’t care that much about faces and heels there in France.
What happened to EC3's face, a kick in the ass?
Hi I was at Smackdown and Backlash in France (my first ever wrestling shows) and I get your point because sometimes I was worried about what you've talked about. Sometimes the crowd was more focused about "putting themselves over" rather than being focused on the action in the ring, especially with the "phenomenal" chants and the "Simplement deux" ("Only two") routine, I agree.
But the point is : France received the chance to host a PPV, their very first one. Wrestlers loved what we did in previous live event in the past years so it was our opportunity to prove we love wrestling and we deserved to host more shows. So we went loud. Yes sometimes we went "too far" with the chants probably because we were more in a "let's have a good time" mood rather than a "listen to every word they said" mood. And I understand that as a booker, you could be annoyed by this Vince.
But the more important thing is : we were never quiet. We were reacting for everything, every wrestler, even the referee and the announcer because we were thankful they were there. We never intended to be disrespectful towards anyone,. And WWE and most fans loved it because it's not that often nowadays that a crowd is so lively and so invested in every move. I think for someone who worked for the company during the Attitude Era with energetic and passionated crowds every week, you can at least appreciate that Vince ;)
Oh my goodness. How dare the audience have some fun on a night out. This is a terrible take.
No it was annoying and stupid,if I was out there wrestling I'd be pissed
@@Roland-v4xThat crowd rarely gets a WWE show. They’re just having fun.
@@Literal_Sense I get that for sure but the breaking out into songs and chants every 2 minutes is stupid af and annoying.. anyone who liked it or thinks it was ok is completely lost or just brainless
@@Roland-v4x except most wrestlers liked an alive crowd for a change
For real the French crowd were very ingnorant and disrespectful they were rooting like a soccer game 😂😂😂you nail it vince
''you nail it vince'' 🤓
7:50 Its difficult. Yes you want the large crowd for tickets, tv, matches. But it can go against you because they right chant the whole show or hijack. Why I think I like Japan because theyre respectful but will still pop when they need to or get on board with storytelling in ring.
Did the crowd get a bit much during the title match? Sure. But the French crowd was amazing and elevated a B-Level PPV. Silence would have been worse IMHO.
I thought I was the only one that got thrown off by the crowd.
This is exactly what I felt. Tq russo for speaking out the truth
@RahulSambaragi Russo wasn’t speaking the truth. While yes the crowd did get annoying at times, that crowd is what made that show better than it was supposed to be . Even Jim cornette liked it
@@danielsims916 I am not watching the show to see the sheep in the arena bleat. The stupid crowd should ' know their role and shut their mouths '
I totally loved that crowd…made it so much more energetic
That crowd during the ppv was beyond annoying....i understand cheering but for every second of a 3 hour ppv and 2 hr smackdown is overboard...and the singing of the theme songs was even worse they new the words of the chorus and literally mumbled the rest
I miss the empty arena era.
lmao no wonder wrestling is dying with people like you lol
Vince no offense but we know you never cared about pro wrestling so you're not in a position to be complaining about how an audience should or should not react and the fact that they got a crowd to react is better than the damn silent during the TV tapings of raw and Smackdown when there's no reaction sometimes from the crowd
One days it’s the crowd is so dead, and next day it’s the crowd we’re too wild. You can’t win lol, the crowd was different and energetic, get over it it was only for a week
I liked the crowd BUT almost all of the PLE I was distracted.
England works well. They will listen and pay attention to the match but still have their moments.
I can't stand it. It's so annoying. I literally turn off the event when the crowd starts up with all of that everytime.
They paid the money.
Doesn’t mean you get to disrespect the talent
Doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want and RUIN the show for everyone else. Grow up.
@@James-if3kc yes it does. Grow up snowflake. They didn't ruin the show.
@jonesbones2857 It's a wrestling event, not a piano concert.
so
I agree 1000 percent with russo on this one. Yes they pay hard earned money to enjoy themselves but at the same time it is disrespectful for the talent trying to perform and do their jobs. Especially when they trying to cut a promo. Its almost as if they didnt even care wat was going on. I agree i was very annoying at first but as the show kept going it wasnt that bad i still watched and enjoyed the show and the ple. But yea i def agree with russo it was very disrespectful for the talent.
I think EC3 take is a damn good one. If it is a once a year thing book based on that crowd, if it keeps happenening the n that would be annoying as a talent.
Good take Russo. I actually agree with you
Liv Morgan's promos > Russo wearing a football helmet in a cage match
To anyone form Europe reading this .. Nobody in the United States give a F about Soccer. We actually are disgusted with how soft and average most of the players look and act.
Nobody in Europe gives a F what Americans think.
Exactly. And the faking injuries all the time and crying like a b!tch. No thank you.
You are clueless mate and u have no idea what u are talking about lol. No one cares what u think and u see as ignorant as Russo 😂😂😂. Soccer is the greatest sport in the world. Your nba doesn’t even draw more than 4m views
As opposed to fat, unfit baseball players?
I dunno, pay per views ( or P.L.Es) are not the places for 10 or 15 minute promos! 5 minutes, tops! I was tempted to walk out of Wrestlemania 3 because the Hulk Hogan/Andre recap was too freaking LONG! The rule for any live event is "keep the audience engaged"!
U can’t tell the crowd how to act
i agree russo bro
Finally someone tellig the truth about this crowd. That backlash crowd was the worst. I almost had to mute my TV. But i actually wanted to hear other things. It was unbearable.
As a performance arts person, this is something that bugs me to hell in pro wrestling. Most of this activity is not tolerated in any other form. There has to be some level of respect to the performance. You are a live crowd, you can play along, you shouldn't try to interject or disrupt the performance.
Maybe it's the whole "pretend sport" thing that makes them entitled to do so. But i mean there's still sports elements in other things that don't attract such behavior.
I have to listen to that constant chanting anything during soccer games, I don't want to hear it in wrestling matches.
Also, "woahs" during entrances annoy me as well.
People pay their tickets. They give money to WWE. NO AUDIENCE, NO WWE. The crowd can do whatever they want in the stands...It's not about respect or disrespect. It's about money. They pay, they decide. And that's the bottom line!
If you hated the crowd, then I’m sorry. That was the best crowd I’ve heard at a show in a long time. They were so into it. Sorry but Russo has no clue what he’s talking about. The crowd elevated an average show to be one that was enjoyable. It’s fun to hear people into a show from start to finish. Truthfully a lot of crowds here need to take notes on how to have fun at a show.
It was annoying As fuck
I thought the crowd was awesome they just appreciated the experience not to mention they paid their hard earned money so they have that right 🤷♂️
None of their money is "hrad earned". Most of them are probably getting disability checks or bilking the government in some other way.
It was a GREAT crowd, but the constant chanting like they were at a soccer game got annoying after a while. You're sitting there thinking "Man, shut up!" I don't need to hear that for three straight hours.
Atleast there was an atmospher, rather listen to that than these guys moaning all the time
I bet you like listening to guys moaning...
i didn't like the crowd in fracnce
EC3 always looks like he is annoyed lol
That’s like you guys like when they had no crowd in PC or some shitty ThunderDome lol
This criticism is stupid. Its a French crowd that probably doesn't even understood English. They are there for the action. It was a sellout. They loved the show. Success
I've been saying this for years. These crowds are off the charts obnoxious now, ESPECIALLY in European countries. They think they have the right to RUIN the shows for everyone else watching. I watched this whole show on mute because I knew it was going to be like this. And HHH will continue bragging about how they're "hotter than ever" and encouraging this behavior. The two major companies are trading places now. The AEW crowds aren't nearly this obnoxious, whereas WWE is encouraging the fans to be like this. Especially on NXT. Can't stand it anymore. HHH is promoting all of the worst things about wrestling. I never thought this day would come but I actually prefer AEW to WWE now. WWE is so far up their own *** right now that it hurts.
Aew is not like this anymore cos it’s a dead company with dwelling attendances while the wwe is hot. How dare u tell people how to chant? You’re just a keyboard warriors like Russo.
@@cashmontoks WWE ain't hot, but it's nice that you believe HHH's lies. I can express my opinion if I want, like Russo can, who made more money in wrestling than you will ever see in your life.
The crowd is sedated with poison.
Mark my words... Paid fan excitement will be a thing
I see this as a glass half full. You want fan excitement. You want them to have fun and come back regardless of the story.
You want crowds to be loud. That way the next place has a standard, and you don't want to be the rip crowd.
Now for mania you can work around that. No way that crowd can handle mania and keep that same level of excitement.
But I'll take the good of an exciting crowd, yes to American crowds it might be too much but to them it is normal. But you don't get that same level of energy every week. NO matter if fans want to replicate it in the net town. They won't be able to, because it's not normal for them. They can see wwe live in a couple of months if they miss that show.
Now the DOM effect. When crowds start having fun board they are saying something to management. They are taking a under-name talent and giving them the star treatment, just with BOOs. Like Dom you give them more and hope he grows and learns to handle it naturally and feeds off it. At least they aren't chanting CM punk like Chicago.
It's not what the crowd is doing, but why are they doing it that's important. If the office learns that they can make money off it. If they fight the crowds they will lose money. That simple.
No offense Vince but if im booking and a writer comes up to me and says this is bullcrap. The crowd is ruining my script. Im saying, screw your script tonight we are having fun. We will get back on the script next week. Now shut up because i cant hear you over the crowd.
Im going to go with excitement = money in a place used to having loud and vocal crowds. Im also making a note. Next time we come to france, less dialog and more wrestling. So next time we understand what the fans will bring and we will cater to that crowd.
I said the same thing about reigns title run. Reigns deserves to be the champion. He has earned a lighter schedule. But sadly, fans don't want that. Fans want a champion who is going to be coming to town often that they can look forward to seeing. Imagine watching the new John Wick movie and John is only in it at the closing act.
I see what you all are going for and i understand your views and points. Many legitimate gripes. But i think WWE needed that crowd and they delivered. I'm just a fan. But the fans really made an average PPV big-time. They made it feel like a mania event. There is money to be made there. If im AEW im looking at how much did it cost to put that show on there? That's a market we need to book this year.
I was a fan of the old wrestling. You know what they did in the 70s if the crowd did something the wrestlers didnt like? They did nothing at all. Headlock for 10 mins, armbar on the mat for 10 mins until you stop doing or saying it.
They were beyond annoying. Super marks making themselves “the show”. Pathetic.
Positives:
Orton theme song
Making the matches more exciting than typical.
Uso entrance.
Negatives:
The stupid 2 count singing.
The idiotic dancing.
The Phenomenal singing.
Ha.
Didn't even listen to any of those useless frogs. Had it on mute the whole time.
There he is again. You should be banned from typing "Ha." I'm tired of seeing you everywhere. RUclips,just please add a "hide users comments" button so I can use it on this man.
@@muryt12 thanks for being a fan.
Ha.
@@Am0ment0fB Is someone threatening you to add "Ha." on every single comment of yours?
@@muryt12 I have no idea what you're talking about.
Ha.
To each is own, but I thought it was great.
Lmao. What a bad take. Mad because the crowd cant be programmed to pop when you want. The crowd came for the talent 😮 not to hear BS from the writers
Then why are you attending the performing art with writers instead of a sporting event with none?
@@TheOldMPClub for the WRES-L-LING
I agree 👍 very annoying 🙄 i mean enough is enough. Almost as annoying as the "what" chants
Vince is t a fan of wrestling and doesn't understand the business. EC3 is just like, "I'm getting paid to just sit here and do nothing."
That’s the stupidest thing anyone could say,Vince been in the business,but you clowns think you know the business and haven’t even been in it 🤨
Doesn't understand a business he worked multiple jobs in and saw 2 of the 3 companies he wrote for at their peak... well ok then.
@@TheNextStep8512 of 3 lmao. Keep believing russo’s bullshit. The peak of wrestling was 2000 and Russo was burying wcw that year.
@@cashmontoks No, the peak of wrestling was 1999 which was when RAW was busy doing its highest ever viewership (6.02 average that year compared to 2000's 5.88, as well as the highest single watched episode and single highest watched segment in RAW's history). Keep buying into Meltzer and Corny's false narrative though.
Audience sucked. I know they'll be back, but wish they'd not do another show there ever again
Haters
I'd rather that crowd than anything else. Shut ip Russo you have no clue about the business and your history proves this.
Made any meat heads pass out or puke lately with your frisbee workouts Chris?
That crowd was sooo annoying smh they sounded like a true fake crowd that each and every one of them got paid to be on that show lol they acted like if they were in a World Cup soccer game lol
Nobody Respects WRESTLING,
Wrestling did it to themselves,
WWE PG FANS & PG TV did it to themselves to earn People's LACK OF RESPECT & SUPPORT,
MMA is the future!!!!!!
That's why all you WRESTLING FANS are more offended of MMA,
&
It drives WRESTLING FANS even more Crazy when their LEGENDARY WRESTLERS sit in a MMA Paper View Event,
ENJOYING watching PFL, PRIDE-1 or UFC Than to ever work for WWE, (GOLDBERG,KURT ANGLE,TAKER,AUSTIN,)
That's what WWE FANS are more upset by Than just calling WRESTLING, FAKE!!!!!!
Wrestling will always be more popular in Germany than MMA.
That's how an average European audience shouts and chants in any of their sporting events. There was nothing disrespectful about what they did It's a cultural thing. But for the crowd, that would have been an average show.
Well then their culture sucks.
@@James-if3kcSo you u an American think u know about culture Foh
@@cashmontoks Was that English?
@@cashmontokswhere did most americans come from? 😂😂
@@James-if3kc their culture far better than a silent stadium that only shouts because something happened on the field. And note it's only in North America that you all keep silent during sporting events. In Africa, South America, Asia, the fans chant and cheer for the athletes, the performer on the field to spur them on. If the wrestlers who were in France didn't complain but loved every bit of what the fans did then why are none actors complaining? That's what sucks!
I find it funny people are complaining about the crowd doing what they’re supposed to do which is give a response but literally a couple weeks ago was bashing the WM40 crowd for doing the opposite & not responding when they felt the crowd was supposed to lol like Vince & a lot of you people just sound like hypocrites ! The same people would be fuming if there wasn’t a response at all ! Like how are we really getting mad at the crowd when that’s literally what they’re there for ! To give a response lol y’all complaining now but let the next crowd at a ppv make it seem like it’s the pandemic all over & y’all gone have something to say about that lol marks
I think you're at fault for not being able to see Russo's point of view. Your black & White thinking is preventing you from seeing it. Let me give you an example.
If I go out on a date with someone I wouldn't like if she was quiet the whole time. But I also wouldn't like it if she was yelling and chanting random songs during our convos.
@@SmoothSportsGaming I do see his point but you’re obviously missing mine ! This the same guy that complained like everybody else about how lame the WM40 crowd was yet bashes the backlash crowd for doing the opposite ! I’ve heard him & everybody else complain about the absence of the fans during the pandemic, fans come back then it’s what are they hear for if they aren’t reacting, crowd reacts non stop & now it’s a bad thing lol the crowd is literally to react, good or bad, a little or a lot, but it’s stupid to bas fans for what they’re supposed to do ! If we’re being real, besides The Rock being back, crowds have sucked & it was refreshing to actually see them not only respond but kept the energy throughout the show ! Getting mad at fans for reacting is dumb no matter if you thought it was too much or perfect. That’s like getting mad at wrestlers for wrestling lol
@@SmoothSportsGamingRusso has no point. He is as clueless as his marks and if he knew what he was saying he would have a job in wrestling or on television.he is just an out of touch moron that shouts on his channel that has less views than jdfromny.
Annoying af! Horrible crowd. Russo is right again!
This was the goat crowd and it made the show epic. Vince Russo is just clueless
Hogan vs Rock at Mania was a great crowd. This…was not.
Russo you're WAY OFF😂😂😂
Mr Russo bro you need to work on your arms build them up and stop wearing sleeve less shirts doesn't look good on you bro.
The backlash crowd buried Vince Russo😂
Vince Russo is the most bitter guy in pro wrestling history and the guy has no redeeming qualities. At least cornette and Eric b are balanced. This is a guy that run a RUclips channel that looks like something out of the basement of a kid and has ec3 looking like his on meth.
He always looks high. What's with the closed eyes?
Yet here you are watching
@TheHerbinLegend yeah to see how bad and unprofessional these 3 miserable human beings can be.
This dude complains about everything
Yet if these two were employed by the WWE the France crowd would've been AWESOME.😂😂😂
"As a writer..."
His name has never appeared on any fictional written work.
As long as the checks clear
Once again, negative Russo
Dude probably hasn't been laid since 1999. Probably why Russo's so uptight and mad at the world.
cry more
None of you know what is going on. The entire ppv was incredible. Loon at Meltzers ratings for the show
🤣
You just hater Vince , You old and still living in the past
Russo is the worse
I used to think he used to get a bad rap but this dude is just bitter.
At times the crowd was annoying, but not as annoying as how many times russo says bro