Thanks for the tip: Another benefit when using a chip auger is that coolant tends to get trapped where the auger spins. Turning the chip auger on intermittently will allow coolant to drain back through the screen at the lower left end of the machine back into the coolant tank. John
This has worked well for me, but I've noticed that when the machine has completed running the program that it will continue to cycle on and off until I physically press the Chip Stop button ( even though I have a M33 at the end of my program code ) Is there anyway of preventing this?
Theft you say? Ok you caught me. I occasionally like to fill my pockets with coolant for my basement machine shop. And I would have gotten away for it if it weren’t for you meddling machinists!
Or you put a hole innear the bottom or have your swarf trolley with hose in the bottem and let drain into the the coolant sump right before the filtering part
If the timing is just right, or wrong, can you sometimes find yourself wanting to change parts at the end of a cycle, but can't open the door because the conveyor or auger is in the middle of it's cycle?
A minute of running duration is too long especially for a belt type conveyor. You only want it running calculated on the time the chips start going up the slope until they are just about to be discharged. On my ST-10 that time is 37 seconds.
Kim - That’s a good point. If you’re on a machine that has macros, you can run a code like: IF[[#3901 MOD 3] EQ 1] M31 (RUN CONVEYOR EVERY THIRD PART). This will only turn on the conveyor every third part. I put in a request, based on your comment, to the Software department, asking if we can adjust this setting, allowing us to go with a shorter minimum time than 1 minute. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.
This is great, but remember if you turn conveyor on manually, THIS COULD COME ON UNEXPECTEDLY on you or someone else who drops a t-nut or tool or vise handle etc. into the conveyor when you or they attempt to retrieve it.
You discussed having the chips being held in the up slope of the conveyor to allow them to drain, with our Auger system from you guys it is a much shorter up slope. Is there any suggestions for the Auger style type you can give on lets say a VF-2?
The shorter funnels are still very effective at draining the chips. Refraining from hosing-down the chips directly with our coolant hose, right as they enter the chute/funnel, is a good way to cut down on coolant loss. This, along with good use of Settings 114 and 115 can help quite a bit. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Keith - It can’t. Whole numbers only for Setting 115. If you have macros, we can do almost anything though. Running the following code will run the conveyor only every third part: IF[[#3901 MOD 3] EQ 1] M31 (RUN CONVEYOR EVERY THIRD PART). If we change it to “MOD 4” it will run every fourth part. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Some machine tool builders reccomend do not to turn on conveyor without coolant as coolant has some lubrication properties and this could save you some money. When the auger moves there are for sure some elements which rub each other
Kikkawa - We designed our Settings 114 CONVEYOR CYCLE, and Setting 115 CONVEYOR ON-TIME, to save Haas customers money, and to automate our conveyors. We can turn on/off the our conveyors with an M31/M33 code. These particular codes/settings are Haas-specific.
kikkawa vint the m code for conveyor or one or more aux relays (which you might choose to rig to your aftermarket comveyor) will vary from make to make and control to control. m31/32/33 are what haas use. Hurco winmax uses m59/60/61. (along with some other parameters for things like conveyor speed) fanuc is 66 or something... point is you have to look it up for your machine.
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The HAAS chip auger is the worst design in a chip evacuation system I have ever seen. It's been using the same junk design for over twenty years, and has only gotten worse. The shop I work at, we have to keep the damn auger going constantly and it still gets jammed, which means the work stops so that the machinists can unclog the stupid auger. What genius engineer thought it was a good idea to jam the chips through a tiny hole at the base of the chute, which has an almost 90 degree bend?!
Thanks for the tip: Another benefit when using a chip auger is that coolant tends to get trapped where the auger spins. Turning the chip auger on intermittently will allow coolant to drain back through the screen at the lower left end of the machine back into the coolant tank.
John
This has worked well for me, but I've noticed that when the machine has completed running the program that it will continue to cycle on and off until I physically press the Chip Stop button ( even though I have a M33 at the end of my program code ) Is there anyway of preventing this?
How about draining the chip bin? Place some recovery at the bottom of chip bin?
Theft you say? Ok you caught me. I occasionally like to fill my pockets with coolant for my basement machine shop. And I would have gotten away for it if it weren’t for you meddling machinists!
I love all your video may and I always discuss with my friend can you please provide setting+ programming series right from basics on fanuc control
That is really cool with the on/off settings! Good work as always.
Or you put a hole innear the bottom or have your swarf trolley with hose in the bottem and let drain into the the coolant sump right before the filtering part
If the timing is just right, or wrong, can you sometimes find yourself wanting to change parts at the end of a cycle, but can't open the door because the conveyor or auger is in the middle of it's cycle?
A minute of running duration is too long especially for a belt type conveyor. You only want it running calculated on the time the chips start going up the slope until they are just about to be discharged. On my ST-10 that time is 37 seconds.
Kim - That’s a good point. If you’re on a machine that has macros, you can run a code like: IF[[#3901 MOD 3] EQ 1] M31 (RUN CONVEYOR EVERY THIRD PART). This will only turn on the conveyor every third part. I put in a request, based on your comment, to the Software department, asking if we can adjust this setting, allowing us to go with a shorter minimum time than 1 minute. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.
Why don't we use vibration table? It makes job done and is useful for many other purposes. Or does it?
Need spin dry setting!
This is great, but remember if you turn conveyor on manually, THIS COULD COME ON UNEXPECTEDLY on you or someone else who drops a t-nut or tool or vise handle etc. into the conveyor when you or they attempt to retrieve it.
Probably won't turn on if the doors are open
hi Mark
i try to download HAAS Bonus Content but it go to the main page, not to the content. Can u help me. Thanks Mark
Cant you achieve the same effect by slowing conveyor?
1:15 ain’t no way in hell the wash down is realistically working that well
You discussed having the chips being held in the up slope of the conveyor to allow them to drain, with our Auger system from you guys it is a much shorter up slope. Is there any suggestions for the Auger style type you can give on lets say a VF-2?
The shorter funnels are still very effective at draining the chips. Refraining from hosing-down the chips directly with our coolant hose, right as they enter the chute/funnel, is a good way to cut down on coolant loss. This, along with good use of Settings 114 and 115 can help quite a bit. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Haas Automation, Inc. thank you. My boss actually got ahold of you and answered a few more questions.
Thank you.
hey answerman
I'm student in haas machine I begin this year, i want to ask you how to use VQC?
thanks mohamed from Morroco
hahaha great intro mark
Mark, can setting 15 be sat to .5, thus running for 30 seconds every ten minutes?
Keith - It can’t. Whole numbers only for Setting 115. If you have macros, we can do almost anything though. Running the following code will run the conveyor only every third part: IF[[#3901 MOD 3] EQ 1] M31 (RUN CONVEYOR EVERY THIRD PART). If we change it to “MOD 4” it will run every fourth part. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Some machine tool builders reccomend do not to turn on conveyor without coolant as coolant has some lubrication properties and this could save you some money. When the auger moves there are for sure some elements which rub each other
Does this command work only with HAAS machines ?
Kikkawa - We designed our Settings 114 CONVEYOR CYCLE, and Setting 115 CONVEYOR ON-TIME, to save Haas customers money, and to automate our conveyors. We can turn on/off the our conveyors with an M31/M33 code. These particular codes/settings are Haas-specific.
kikkawa vint
the m code for conveyor or one or more aux relays (which you might choose to rig to your aftermarket comveyor) will vary from make to make and control to control.
m31/32/33 are what haas use. Hurco winmax uses m59/60/61. (along with some other parameters for things like conveyor speed) fanuc is 66 or something... point is you have to look it up for your machine.
We run filtering conveyors but it's a production shop not a job shop.
Add water to the chute. Ad concentrate to tank!
Yeah sure, but metric or imperial hours?
or you could design your conveyor like a cromar
our chips go into a bin that collects the coolant in a tote then we dump it back in the machine
я на станках MAZAK так и делаю ;)
Rolltech Innovation manufactures machine coolant saver. Serious threats to productivity and health are bacteria and fungi which are commonly found in industrial coolants. This coolant bacteria filter has some advantageous features include: last a life time, with guarantee of extended life of coolant with bacteria filter - no consumables, no electricity, no chemical dosing, etc.
It is a one time investment, ROI within 4-6 Months, Saves on input of fresh oil and disposal cost like etp treatment, or giving it to authorised recycler.
These mineral oil based coolant are prone to generation of bacteria which produces foul odour, often from hydrogen sulfide [rotten egg smell].
Rolltech Innovation "Aqualogic" filter is an innovative and economical method of continuously controlling these micro organisms and the odour they generate. "Aqualogic" bacteria coolant filter consists of series of high-purity multi-metal fibres cased within a stainless steel tube. the dissimilar ions in the multimetal alloy bed undergo a natural electrochemical reaction, also known as an oxidation-reduction reaction. Which Kills the all the Microbial activity in the coolant 24/7
call us at +91-702-723-6191 or write to us at rolltechin(at)gmail.com
Enjoy the coolant being running without changing it, just keep the coolant healthy
Who the feck uses colant for delrin
The HAAS chip auger is the worst design in a chip evacuation system I have ever seen. It's been using the same junk design for over twenty years, and has only gotten worse. The shop I work at, we have to keep the damn auger going constantly and it still gets jammed, which means the work stops so that the machinists can unclog the stupid auger. What genius engineer thought it was a good idea to jam the chips through a tiny hole at the base of the chute, which has an almost 90 degree bend?!