You are spot on with your opinion and ideas. I had a drone business for a few years and spent two years meeting with the North Texas council of governments where we had airport authorities, local government, FAA and many deep pocket businesses like L3 and Bell Helicopter trying to hammer out our concerns and it was clear that the FAA does not want us to fly part 107 or for fun. We are a stepchild they don’t want to deal with. The insane part is that hobbyists have been flying safely for over a hundred years and that doesn’t matter to them.
its weird, im starting to get the feeling that im supposed to just go back to playing video games in my room alone... instead of doing things outdoors. hmm im sure the feeling will pass
Meanwhile it gets more or less accepted that people lose their lives and property and planes get damaged on an almost daily basis, but rc pilots get regulated to death. While 1:1 planes are not even always required to carry a transponder...
And don’t you love how AMA and model airplane news are pushing that Tim Mccay guy on us who is all propaganda for Remote ID? It’s like looking into a rigorously legalistic church from the outside… I’m all set.
Government control is happening in many different areas. Airsoft, paintball, camping, dirtbikes, OHV, hunting, firearms or really anything that is a hobby that we like. I think a lot of it is pushed by the environmental terrorist orgs. Its all getting out of hand.
But the FAA is actively working against all kinds of aviation including delivery drones. And then they ask why there are so few American drone manufacturers. Why would anyone choose to deal with FAA when you can move to Nigeria 😆
Our club had an RC event planned in May. A float fly at a nearby state park. The same event we have had every year for 25 years. The FAA cancelled it the week before the start, claiming the AMA hadn’t correctly approved. It’s begun.
It isn't the "public" they are worried about. The proliferation of drone tech has made it too easy to be weaponized. I will continue to fly my models the way I always have.
It amazes me how the "unelected" bureaucrats can make "rules" 'I'm looking at you ATF'. without congressional oversite. This is becoming a problem on many scopes even outside the hobbyist flying realm.
What makes me laugh is when people say you're a "conspriacy theorist" if you say the deep state is a thing, this is what the deep state is, it's the entrenched unelected bureaaucrats and agencies who've amassed influence and power way beyond what ever mandate they started with granted them, that's all it means.
Drones are arms. They are as important as guns for self defense - especially in a war (WE ARE AT WAR NOW!!!). Our enemies (infiltrated into our compromised government and all the most important NGO's) want us disarmed. We all have the fundemental human right to self defense. Drones should be covered under the 2nd ammendment. Registration is the first step to confiscation.
Two words "go rogue"...and fly with common sense!...what you describe as remote ID and it's existence in government really describes democracy in America at the moment...lots of illusions!
This is my intention, on my FPV planes it's no problem as I won't purchase a module, and on my DJI drones I will either disconnect their modules or use software to stop it from transmitting. My safety is at risk as third parties will be able to see and access my location. I mostly fly FPV and alone and I can't have someone walking up on me from behind me to do me harm.
@@Thunderbyrd. and anytime you are flying fpv alone you are in violation since you dont have a spotter or line of sight. If something were to happen then you will be even more culpable and have more charges and fines against you.
Thank you for helping us fight the good fight. You seem to be one of the few that have your finger on what's really going on. I'm going to sign up on patreon for monthly support.
Hi Bruce I'm about 1/2 your age and I don't even have 1/2 your energy or faith that anything positive can be done. So best I can do is send some cynical $$$s, Thanks! for your videos
A large portion of why the numbers are so small is because nobody has any faith in the system anymore. We're all used to our government doing whatever the hell it wants, and even when we properly apply pressure, they circumvent it with minimal effort. As for showing up in person, most of us would need to travel over 1000 miles just to go be mad in the street while getting ignored.
I worked at a government facility for 30 years. One section of the facility that grew the most over those 30 years was the "Safety" office. One interesting aspect was that the new hires in the safety office found that the way to get promoted was to write and enforce new safety rules. I'm sure this is the case at the FAA as well.
I was told the whole timeline years before this all started by an FAA employee. I thought he was crazy, but he had the FAA ID and everything he said has come to pass other than the time frame, but He did say that the timeline would be longer if there is push back but the end goal will be achieved. There is hope for 0.5 KG because he said that Amazon wanted 0.5 KG or less because that was what they tested their drones could withstand and impact from. The end goal is NO hobby flights what so ever. Eventually they want to ban even sub 250 grams. I have been telling people about this conversation for years and no one believes me. Remote ID is a path to only wealthy people can fly. They will add requirements to the module until it is cost prohibitive to buy. We never had a chance, but keep fighting because if you don't, you will always wonder if you could have made a difference.
I used to be an ama member. Until they started looking out for their interests above anyone in the hobby. I wouldn't be shocked if ama fields ended up being the ONLY frias that get approved.
If anything does get approved as a Fria it will be an AMA field. However, what you shouldn't be shocked by is when the FAA stabs the AMA in the back and doesn't approve their fields either. Classic divide and conquer. They got the AMA to stop their objections by promising FRIAs where they could be in charge and continue to snub FPV and quads in general. Next is to break the deal with the AMA now that that they're unlikely to get any help from FPV/ quad pilots after their betrayal.
The AMA has lost its way decades ago. As stated it's major concern is how to keep its self relevant , keep the money flowing in and how to not loose its castle on the hill. The FAA had the AMA seated at the children's table for the majority of their meetings. Let's see how Flight Test (FTCA) makes out as a community based organization with the FAA. Join them to help out !
No, sadly from what I've seen, AMA membership and Field membership will only decline faster, as fewer and fewer people want to be pressured into compliance, and will instead fly unregistered and without RID.
I think the most effective way to instigate some change would be by having someone on the inside who is on our side. And a way to do that is to find the pilot who is close enough to someone in power such that they can convince them to make some changes
Bruce, along with a couple others, you are one of the few that actually makes sense regarding r-id. I'm one of the writers for Fly Tribe Magazine and am planning on doing an article about remote id for our September issue. If possible, I would enjoy picking your brain before I start. Please let me know if you are interested.
A drone is a potential weapon system. As a citizen of the USA we have a fundemental human right recognized by the Constitution of the United States of America to own and use our weapons. It's a second ammendment issue. Just like with guns, the first step to confiscation is registration. If a new revolutionary war happens, the citizens use of drones will be as important as the use of guns. For that reason, DO NOT COMPLY.
Thank you for all your dedication to this hobby. Love your videos and all your friends at the field. Your virtual friend from New Orleans Louisiana, USA.
AMA is a joke. They were supposed to keep rc pilots rights and they pretty much let thr FAA walk in and make themselves at home and do whatever they want. I stopped supporting ama 5 years ago
Most places in the US don't have enough police to respond to real crimes in a timely manor, they are not going to respond to Karen to take a report within an average flying session. They just have far too many things to do and the FFA has no policing power to get you themselves. There will be a period of high adoption and perhaps even enforcement, but that will taper off quickly as the enforcers just don't have the time to care. It will, as others have suggested, just become a rule they use to throw at people to maximize sentences when they catch someone doing other illegal activities.
Unfortunately priorities have changed as to what is enforced. You can now shoplift in many cities and push people onto subway tracks without repercussions (especially if you're in a certain protected demographic); but peacefully hold a sign saying the wrong thing or sing the National Anthem at the US capital, or fly your drone while sticking your tongue out, and you'll be the highest priority for their limited policing power--in part because it's people like us who are otherwise law abiding, pose no physical danger to them, and the police can more easily rack up their arrest quotas (bonuses and raises--at least with the FBI).
This is going to be a big money maker for them. Don’t think for a second they will taper off on confiscating or impounding and or fining folks for flying without RID.
Over time the non RID drones will die. New manufactured drones *must* have RID and if it is malfunctioning the SUAS is not permitted to fly. In other words, it will mostly self-enforce.
I am old enough to remember back in the 70's when CB radios were all the rage. I do recall that you they did try to scare people interested in the hobby by requiring you get a license as soon as you bought a CB. By requiring a license, they could create fear by making you believe that they were close and always watching. Sound familiar? And I also remember hearing stories of people being caught for not having a license, using excess power, etc. And they made huge examples of those people that were caught. It makes me wonder if these people really were caught, or that the FCC just said that they were to scare the public. Most people back then didn't comply. And the hobby was so massive that there was simply no way the FCC could keep track of all of the supposed scofflaws. Anyway, I see many similarities between the two hobbies and timelines. And as for flying my drone, I already hardly ever fly because of the negatively perceived perceptions that the general public has for drones overall. I went to fly at a lighthouse close to shore when some friendly neighbors stopped me to inform me that the owners of the lighthouse would not be happy that I was flying there. And mind you, this was off season and the owners weren't even there. People just like to exert their authority and that is my biggest fear with Remote ID. Can you imagine the number of people, given their new-found power and authority, to snitch on every single drone flight that they come across?
I know a couple who were caught in the early 80s. The FCC was looking for a guy that was using a linear amp and broadcasting at about 500 watts. The couple were using legal power, but weren't on a legal frequency in the same neighborhood. It scared them and things were in limbo for a few weeks, but the net result was a fine of a few hundred dollars and they had to forfeit their home and car CBs.
CB'ers still operate massively illegal transmitters. For the most part they are ignored but occasionally get stomped on by the FCC. They stomp each other far more effectively anyway.
Goodnya Bruce! I no longer fly but this is beyond disheartening to see as usual big daddy Govt is taking more and more of our freedoms in the name of "safety" and were rolling over and letting them have it. While I have no illusions that we can totally fix the problem, I do feel like there need to be more people calling this out and saying this is going too far. We dumped a load of tea into the harbor in Boston over much smaller issues in our past.
What system? As far as I can tell there is no system at all. No one is listening. Instead of flooding them with signals it would be far easier to give them no signal at all, which they won't notice either.
The fact remains it is impossible to enforce because there is not enough people or money or will to build a system to do it. The idea will go away when it is realized that this is impossible.
Impossible? That is the insurmountable obstacle that was designed to criminalize our drones. Our masters want us to eat bugs. The goal seems to be the destruction of our society. This is just a single facet of a very large. coordinated effort.
Same here. We fly under 400 feet away from other aircraft. No one is in danger if we fly responsibly. Instead of the FAA punishing people who don't fly responsibly the FAA is choosing to burden and punish everyone in the hobby who are doing the right things and flying responsibly. Not to mention people (with an app) will have access to our location and personal info. That is not safe for anyone flying because we all know there are people out there that take advantage of the remote ID info to do people harm.
If you watch that FAA youtube video from four weeks ago (UAS Traffic Management Pilot Program), it becomes pretty clear that the FAA has very little concern with recreational, in line of sight, remotely operated fixed wing aircraft.
Over 60 years self regulated without any real issues. Lumping model aircraft in the same group as those idiots flying drones was ridiculous. Most of the issues with those reported by commercial pilots turned out to be government owned, and we get blamed.
Hey Bruce, remote ID is still not due to be enforced in the UK, but it's in a planning phase. I was thinking of setting up a website to protest the change, I was thinking it could do double duty and also give info about action that can be done in the US/ Canada / Aus, etc based on localisation. Interested in your thoughts.
Nothing... because I live in New Zealand but if someone in the USA does so, outside of an approved FRIA and without a Remote ID module installed and operating, the will effectively be breaking the Remote ID rule and could be subject to fines.
Also remember to factor in those that fly and do not hear about the new rules. They added to the (mass) non-compliance group numbers by default. A good thing where ignorance actually helps the cause, as long as they are responsible fliers. Like most people are. Remember when we saw another pilot down the park, did we tell them to leave, or say what ya flying, wanna play chase? Cool to see other enthusiasts. Well, that's how I am. Have fun people's! (Do no harm.)
The 'battle' was lost the moment manufacturers were forced to install remote ID to every new drone starting last year. Not to single out any specific area of the hobby, but we *must* look at the GPS camera bird group since it represents the largest user base... I am not seeing enough of them concerned about avoiding the latest DJI firmware(s), which absolutely has RID for Mavic Air 2S and up. Where are the major boycotts of all new camera drones that have RID? This should be blowing up the entire manufactured camera bird sector, and yet it's crickets. If they cared, you'd be seeing hundreds of drones for sale, and new sales dropping... and people asking how to build their own drones, because of RID. They hate RID but they're dealing with it. Some even actually LIKE remote ID... Because they wishfully, ignorantly think it will gift them BVLOS in the near future... The DIY group and FPV group are the _loudest_ but we are the smallest percentage of drone users. The FAA's automatic compliance with remote ID increases every single day which each drone that supports it when firmware is brought up to date, and a new drone is purchased. They will certainly see the compliance numbers in that as a smashing success, after all, it's exactly what they wanted... the DIY side of the drone hobby is just caught in the crossfire of all this. It's obvious that little Danny with his foam board plane in a field isn't what they're after. But they don't care enough to deal with it, because our numbers are just so small. Thank you for reminding people that this is, (for many), just a hobby and to be cautious about what actions they take.
I think you will find that fixed wing and Helicopter model flyers are the largest group of what they refer to as drones, what you are talking about is a minor subset in somparison ie Multirotors.
You are 100% right about how the system operates. I'm not really sure if FPVFC etc have really helped, despite their best intentions, because it only produces minimal concessions and allows the FAA to say "we've consulted, your representatives are onboard with this". The only way I can see is to get to the real decision makers with public opinion that they'd listen to. Time may do that with a proliferation of small quads and a much widened user base, and thus wider public pressure group, but history unfortunately shows model flying is quite a niche hobby, and always has been. But, the FAA will never raise the 250g limit - lower it, quite possibly - even likely, but not raise it, because there is nothing to make them - though I say that without knowledge of your proposals. Even at that limit there's a problem though, because of how easy it is to slip out of the recreational / educational exemption, simply putting the video on RUclips, or on a not for profit local club website will do it. I think I would settle for reinforcing the 250g limit so it doesn't go down, and making the exemption not so easy to fall out of. Won't suit a lot of people, and it is not at all ideal, but that's my opinion.
Bruce, as always your prescience and thoughtfulness could teach us all a decent lesson about matters such as this. I've been watching the cloud of remote ID looming for years now and am consistently disappointed by the turnout from our community as you stated. Dave Messina and the lads from FT are quite nice and our conversations have been pleasant, but they seem to have far too much faith in the FAA reps. The AMA has proven to be worthless and they are equally as impotent against this. The FAA doesn't give a jot about 'pilot shortages' or STEM programs, or even the difference between a 'drone' and an RC aircraft. Money once again has won the day - even if the hardware will eventually be cheap, the forced subscriptions will be a recurring revenue stream both for communications and for the data management. Delivery and transportation will see their golden egg when the airspace seems to be clear of the pesky hobbyists, but they have probably underestimated the complexity of their goals. Admittedly that all sounds a bit defeatist - or just realistic. Nonetheless, I am up for providing what help I can - so count me in. After 35 years in the hobby I'm not ready to give up just yet. Thanks for what you do, Bruce!
In my eyes, 1kg is shooting ourselves in the foot. The big issue affecting "drones" is these dji drone flyers being idiots up near planes and a 1kg rule will not keep the mavics from flying above sports events. I believe the goal should be the same as the EU - self-made drones are not legally required to transmit Remote ID. This means mfgs will need to continue to comply but us hobbyists will continue to be able to build and do what we love.
This is the best idea IMO. There is a big difference between camera drones and what hobbyists do. There is also a big difference in the knowledge of your average DJI pilot vs the average person building their own. Many of us know all the rules and fly extremely safe with a big respect and admiration for flight. DJI pilots on the other hand are mainly just wanting a camera in the sky.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 Since its existing legislation in a region like the EU, Its also an easy way to shoe-in for regulators to be ok with. This really seems like it would be the best compromise and most attainable for legislators.
I am not in your hobby, although I probably have as many books about aircraft as anyone. I presume that your videos are being served to me because I watch videos about air warfare from time to time. I mostly just wanted to say that I like the way you think and good luck to you!!! I must point out though, that many people do in fact live without health insurance. It is usually not by choice, but there it is. It is one of those things that is more-or-less doable when you are young & healthy, but is a bit dangerous & scary once you are over 50...
The thing I don't understand is that if you want to fly and do bad things that actually hurt the national security and endanger the airspace your not getting your drone licensed or registered, just not happening in the first place.
I think it's going to be a lot higher than 1% non-compliance. The cost of the add on module is going to stop a lot of people from complying. I have only one drone that is registered and that is because it came with remote ID onboard,
The strange thing is I know many people who fly drones and they don't even know about RemoteID. Every once in awhile they talk about getting registered and I say the Drone isn't registered you're registered. I tell them they are giving the FAA a place to go look for them. The overwhelming response is they realize they were getting scammed by registering. Also most people that I know flying fpv should probably have there ham radio license. I don't know anybody that has that. Are there any posted statistics on how many people are actually getting busted?
Finally! Someone said the same thing I believe. Just raise the weight threshold to 1KG recognize FPV can see where they’re going. No need for a spotter. Limit the height to keep them out of the same airspace as commercial aircraft. And then just piss off!
All things considered and with regards to the way hobbyists have been “handled” by government regulators, the only power we have to effect change is non-compliance and a degree of civil disobedience. The measures required to overcome this regulatory BS needs to be “safety oriented” and produce a potential cost burden sufficient to render the solution of which “less expensive”. Most people in this hobby have good common sense and commitment to safe practices which is amazing to me in that the FAA/CAA can’t figure it out and agree on something sensible.
Funny thing is that, I bump into GPS drone pilots on the net all the time that have no idea these FAA rules are kicking in. Recently I was asked by one of them to "stop spreading fear" when I suggested that flying over a populated city in the US would get him in trouble. FPV pilots might be quite aware of what's going on with the FAA, but I feel like DJI type pilots might not be as synced in (and hence not part of the solution because of it).
the thing that gets me about the currant rules is the fact i can go outside just about anywhere and kick or throw a NFL spec. football that weighs 16Oz (450g) and can be flying at over 50MPH! and no-one can really say anything. but i pull out a balsa and foam scale model that weighs in at 450g and fly's at 30-40MPH -and poof! they are up in arms saying that i'm doing something inherently dangerous... are they going to mandate remote ID for all footballs?
It's even more ludicrous than you think... I can go and build an ultralight aircraft and it doesn't require registration, licensing or any kind of beacon. I can then fly that aircraft without any kind of training or tests. HOWEVER... if I build a tiny RC model of that aircraft that weighs just 250g it will require *all* of the above... by law. Go figure!
@@xjet aye, I knew about the part 103 B.S. but most people just shrug off that idea since they've never seen an ultralight around. but just about every American has seen a football thrown around near them.
I haven’t really followed this but can our ”numbers” be increased artifically? Is there a limit to how many remote id broadcasts I can do at the same time? Same time at different locations? Are helium ballons ok? What about kites with really long lines? Heavier than 250g kites with long lines? Kites with a drone strapped to them? Testing remote id equipment on the ground or in your home? Is the remote id at least open sourced so it can be cheaply manufactured by anyone? Surely if you want to Identify potentially dangerous drones from recreational flyers you can just decode the control signal. If it’s doing loops and flips it’s probably safe, remote id or not. Sorry for not doing any research if this is all already part of the discussion.
I left a lengthy comment about that very thing. Short version...I have 2 buddies that are sherif deputies and they don't give a rats a$$ about any of this.
@@RCinginSC Same here, I know PD officers and deputies that are not happy about it because they look at it as it is increasing their responsibilities without any training. It will create more work for them.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens at the AMA flying site, it's over a 1000 acres with many paved runways, but 20% of the land is part of the Reese Airport, that has one active runway that parallels the AMA property on the south corner. Not sure how active Reese airport is, but they do hold several large fly-ins there yearly. They do have an active FBO onsite and lots of transit aircraft stop in for fuel.
I have looked on the FAA website and can't find anything about the sub-250g exception for drone registration. It used to be there. Did the do away with it?
God love ya Bruce. I hope your idea is more than saying “with an ADS-B receiver in hand, drone pilots don’t need RID”. But I’m sure it is better than that. Another idea for you, if it isn’t already this… Multi-User Ground Station Remote ID (MUGS-RID). A ground station based device that transmits remote ID information on behalf of all recreational pilots who are currently flying at a fixed site. The pilots use an app on their mobile device (phone) to connect to the ground station (via the MUGS-RID Wi-Fi) and select the machine they are currently flying. Users can enter information into the app about the machines that they own with details of average speed and approximate flying height. Users of the app must be registered with the FAA and must attest that they have taken the TRUST exam. The location of the pilot station at the flying site will be indicated in the remote ID signal sent out by the MUGS-RID. The pilot app will have easy to use buttons for “flying” and “landed”. When the pilot’s mobile device is no longer connected to the MUGS-RID Wi-Fi then their current flying machine will be removed from the active list and a remote ID signal will no longer be transmitted for it, and any other machines that they own. This will allow the FAA to scrap FRIA and so will save them a fortune in administrative costs. Bruce - This could be a nice addition to the ADS-B receiver. Get cracking with MUGS-RID mate, you might just save the hobby! Sorry if this puts the cat out of the bag? If not, it’s extra smoke-n-mirrors you can use. Go to it with the Jedi mind trick… FAA - These are not the drones you are looking for!!!!
Why does *anyone* need to transmit *any* RID signal anyway? It does not deconflict the airspace, it does not stop bad actors from doing bad things -- it simply inconveniences otherwise law-abiding, responsible drone operators without preventing a damned thing. It's like passing a law that says "everyone must bury a red brick in their garden" and telling them that "the red brick will keep tigers away". Six months later they'll say "see, no tiger attacks in the past six months, it's working!"
Don’t disagree with that Bruce, but RID isn’t going away - too much time and money invested already. We need a cost effective solution that makes everyone (including the FAA and the politicians) happy. The hobbyists are not the target here but we need acknowledgment that the hobby exists and RID as designed doesn’t work for the hobby in general. The hobby is also a vital pipeline of talent for the aviation industry. The industry is already in big trouble because fewer people are getting the passion for flight and then not joining the industry. Bad karma all round. Love what you do Bruce - keep it going!
I shan't comply, I shall exceed the 250 G or whatever it is weight limit, and the FAA shan't fine me. That's how this will roll out. I shan't explain why but it shall be that way. Thanks for the heads up tho!
Do you think the manufacturers will be forced to install RID into the radio/Xmitrs and the system will have to be "linked in" even before the radio will transmit a signal to control the flying item?
Yes, the original NPRM clearly described a system where no flight would be possible until the UTM had granted permission. This would be enforced by technology that disabled arming of the drone/model.
Almost 100% of drone Pilots that I talk to that fly recreationally already who have told me that they will not comply. They're just going to go out flying not worried about it. Overwhelmed and overworked in the United States. This is the last thing they will be willing to deal with.
I think there are a few things to think about here. One you have recreational flyers and that group is not small by any means until you put it up against the entire population. Then you have another group that are going to be more hesitant to do anything in my opinion that are commercial operators (107) and obviously there is some overlap in these groups. I think the reason 250g is a threshold is it’s difficult for many to have a model that is below this threshold. My second thought is they had 250g in mind for commercial operators and just carried it over because they knew it already…
The trouble is most people think government and its bureaucracy is honest and is working for the Citizens - 100% WRONG on both counts. Over 50 years of dealing with government bureaucracy on all levels in several countries, it is experience that has proven to me that bureaucracy exists to ensure its own continuing existence, to the ultimate detriment of Citizens.
Key part of the messaging needs to be the role that the hobby plays in attracting individuals to the aviation industry and STEM careers. Be it pilots, mechanics, or other roles. Currently there is a global pilot shortage, which is exited to worsen over this next decade as the existing generation of professionals retire. FAA's authorization is set to expire in September, and a major part of the discussion in Congress the last couple weeks has been the pending pilot, and other professional skill shortage in aviation fields. Agree, RemoteID is likely here to stay. As stated, the 250g limit needs to be raised to 1kg. A football, or soccer ball weighs 500g and is not considered a safety hazard. Its even celebrated should a ball travel off into the crowd. Ideally consumer drones need a separate category from hobby style aircraft, particularly once an individual has demonstrated a superior level of skills. The FAA is not intentionally trying to be the enemy. The FAA is responding to lobbyists from the commercial airline industry and military flight industry. These are multi-Billion dollar industries use to getting their way. As hobbyists we need to carve out space that allows us to fly, and make it know we are staying clear of the big interests that FAA oversees that generate commerce for a nation.
I would say that if theres any draw because of the hobby its minimal. No they are responding to lobbyists like amazon and other large uas operators or want to be operators.
@@frankmoreau8847 Yep big brother is watching what you are doing with your drones. Now what do you think they have been doing with your phone already? It's a tracking device with your every movement recorded at massive data centers.
Some thoughts: 1. The “drone” industry hasn’t turned out as was forecast and will never get anywhere near the projections. 2. Drone delivery will NEVER become common place in urban areas. Never. 3. Manned VTOLS crisscrossing like taxis will NEVER become common place. The market isn’t there. Remote ID is for UTM which will NEVER be implemented (there’s not going to be any profits to be had). Remote ID is a white elephant. Yes, you’ll have to comply and the hassle of compliance is detrimental to the RC Hobby. This is what happens when Congress is bought by corporate lobbyists.
I love the enthusiasm that many of the rc community has had in the past few years. However, as all things are, the government doesn't care about the people. They have way too much power to care. Overregulation is what governments do, and there's not much you can do "peacefully" to stop it. And in the case of rc toys, nobody is willing to die for it, and I don't blame them. The best thing to do imo, is just to disregard it and be responsible. Besides, it's hard to track whenever there's no ID or tracker
I as well. 120 acres farm that’s in middle of nowhere. Plus my farmer neighbor’s who actually enjoy watching my flights especially when I do proximity flights over 4 of our farms.
Thanks Bruce,,,I totally agree with you, one legistration and the rest of authority in other countries follow. I hate the word Drone it’s a word that people think of as menacing, a weapon of war used by military to cause havoc and death, please let’s change the name of Drone to something else that all in our hobby can use, this idea may help giving the general public an understanding that our flying machines are just small and cause no threat. Governments should be more concerned about people being stabbed and shot to death, put that rate of deaths against our hobby, I just don’t get what these regulators want, need to find out the truth what’s behind all these regulations that most countries are gagging to adopt, surely it can’t just be money ?
remote ID like most things RF are very difficult/impossible to enforce in mass. the amount of non-compliance will be almost absolute. this will be like so many laws a gotcha they use after the fact of a crime or perceived crime to throw the book at someone.
Heres the deal.. i have 2 buddies that are county sherrif deputies. They have no idea what i was talking about when i brought it up. They have no idea what the 250g rule is or remote ID. No clue. So how will the FAA enforce any of this if the local authorities dont even know or care about any of it. They both told me it certainly would not be a priority to enforce if dispatched to an infringement. So non compliance is easy when theres no enforcement.
Yep 99% of rc pilots know the rules better than 99% of police it's that simple. I've never heard of a cop coming up and asking what mw you're transmitting at and if you have a HAM license this will be the same thing, most cops are more interested in finding criminals not someone playing with a toy.
someone in another video made mention that remote ID will fail. they had said all it will take is one person to take a remote ID and place it by or near a air field. it will broadcast and basically could shut down an entire airport. I have no idea how the remote ID information will work as of yet. but what if someone using a remote ID with no information on it in this manner? they would see it as something out near the airport and have to stop all air traffic and go out to investigate. this will cost them allot of money and knowing that people would do this just for the fun of it or the excitement. I dont see working well and with them leaving it up to local authorities to handle. in many cases they have more important things to deal with. sadly in the end this is like everything else they try to regulate. the only people it will hurt or stop is the everyday person.
Im Rogue, 100% fixed wing. I do fly at My Club,. however many times ITs nice to not drive 30 minutes to club. At local fields, parks, use Common Sense, keep it quiet,fly conserative aircraft,, fly when there are few people, Do not fly over anything you dont want to hit. Karen will get you when you buzz over her house an car. I do appreciate Guys like made this video, proactive, wanting to make a difference. Thank You.
Who made the 250 rule in the first place? All my racing drones are over that the lightest one I have is 750, and why would I need all them rules for a drone that basically doesn't go far and I don't really want to add more weight
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You are spot on with your opinion and ideas. I had a drone business for a few years and spent two years meeting with the North Texas council of governments where we had airport authorities, local government, FAA and many deep pocket businesses like L3 and Bell Helicopter trying to hammer out our concerns and it was clear that the FAA does not want us to fly part 107 or for fun. We are a stepchild they don’t want to deal with. The insane part is that hobbyists have been flying safely for over a hundred years and that doesn’t matter to them.
its weird, im starting to get the feeling that im supposed to just go back to playing video games in my room alone... instead of doing things outdoors.
hmm
im sure the feeling will pass
Meanwhile it gets more or less accepted that people lose their lives and property and planes get damaged on an almost daily basis, but rc pilots get regulated to death. While 1:1 planes are not even always required to carry a transponder...
@@Sep141 been in my room for years now
And don’t you love how AMA and model airplane news are pushing that Tim Mccay guy on us who is all propaganda for Remote ID? It’s like looking into a rigorously legalistic church from the outside… I’m all set.
Government control is happening in many different areas. Airsoft, paintball, camping, dirtbikes, OHV, hunting, firearms or really anything that is a hobby that we like. I think a lot of it is pushed by the environmental terrorist orgs. Its all getting out of hand.
I remember when the rule was "The FAA will not regulate aganst hobby pilots" .... How far we have fallen....
Never trust a 3 letter agency they always lie, deceive, and prosecute on emotions to get their way
the government will ALWAYS take more power... and yet the media tries to make 2nd amendment proponents out to be crazies. clown world
authoritarians never stop, they have an intrinsic need to keep advancing the power of the machine, to enable to them to further control _everything_.
But the FAA is actively working against all kinds of aviation including delivery drones. And then they ask why there are so few American drone manufacturers. Why would anyone choose to deal with FAA when you can move to Nigeria 😆
@@Tindurbox yeah, well the right always says its the politicians, the left says its the corporations, but at the end its always just the big money.
Our club had an RC event planned in May. A float fly at a nearby state park. The same event we have had every year for 25 years. The FAA cancelled it the week before the start, claiming the AMA hadn’t correctly approved. It’s begun.
It isn't the "public" they are worried about. The proliferation of drone tech has made it too easy to be weaponized. I will continue to fly my models the way I always have.
yep, f'em.
wrong. its amazon and big tech that want the monopoly. they cant fly freely, until the public cant.
Same here in country south Australia , my nitro and electric planes of all sizes will continue to fly
I told the faa point blank, what i would do, when corporate america owned the airspace.
@@adamchristoff4905 You know the FAA doesn't quite reach that far right?
We will be awaiting your ideas and instructions to proceed when the time is right Bruce. Thank you for all you do in our hobby!
It amazes me how the "unelected" bureaucrats can make "rules" 'I'm looking at you ATF'. without congressional oversite. This is becoming a problem on many scopes even outside the hobbyist flying realm.
Exactly. F the faa and atf
Congress shouldn't be allowed to create an organization or agency to outsource the job they should be doing!
What makes me laugh is when people say you're a "conspriacy theorist" if you say the deep state is a thing, this is what the deep state is, it's the entrenched unelected bureaaucrats and agencies who've amassed influence and power way beyond what ever mandate they started with granted them, that's all it means.
Don’t forget the overreach of the EPA as well to destroy businesses
Drones are arms. They are as important as guns for self defense - especially in a war (WE ARE AT WAR NOW!!!). Our enemies (infiltrated into our compromised government and all the most important NGO's) want us disarmed. We all have the fundemental human right to self defense. Drones should be covered under the 2nd ammendment. Registration is the first step to confiscation.
Two words "go rogue"...and fly with common sense!...what you describe as remote ID and it's existence in government really describes democracy in America at the moment...lots of illusions!
This is my intention, on my FPV planes it's no problem as I won't purchase a module, and on my DJI drones I will either disconnect their modules or use software to stop it from transmitting. My safety is at risk as third parties will be able to see and access my location. I mostly fly FPV and alone and I can't have someone walking up on me from behind me to do me harm.
Three words “go to jail”
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@@tanker7757 I've only encountered one police officer while flying a model. He asked me to pull a banner over his daughters softball game.
@@Thunderbyrd. and anytime you are flying fpv alone you are in violation since you dont have a spotter or line of sight. If something were to happen then you will be even more culpable and have more charges and fines against you.
The battle is not lost until my fleet is. Do not comply! Do not stop flying resposibly 👍
Thank you for helping us fight the good fight. You seem to be one of the few that have your finger on what's really going on. I'm going to sign up on patreon for monthly support.
Hi Bruce
I'm about 1/2 your age and I don't even have 1/2 your energy or faith that anything positive can be done. So best I can do is send some cynical $$$s, Thanks! for your videos
Your contribution is much appreciated. I thank you.
Hello from California! May be young but im here to help any way I can!
A large portion of why the numbers are so small is because nobody has any faith in the system anymore. We're all used to our government doing whatever the hell it wants, and even when we properly apply pressure, they circumvent it with minimal effort. As for showing up in person, most of us would need to travel over 1000 miles just to go be mad in the street while getting ignored.
The politicians have become our jailors and most people didn't notice.
Amazing. Being the smart you are I don’t doubt you have something big coming… Bring it on Bruce!
I worked at a government facility for 30 years. One section of the facility that grew the most over those 30 years was the "Safety" office. One interesting aspect was that the new hires in the safety office found that the way to get promoted was to write and enforce new safety rules. I'm sure this is the case at the FAA as well.
I was told the whole timeline years before this all started by an FAA employee. I thought he was crazy, but he had the FAA ID and everything he said has come to pass other than the time frame, but He did say that the timeline would be longer if there is push back but the end goal will be achieved. There is hope for 0.5 KG because he said that Amazon wanted 0.5 KG or less because that was what they tested their drones could withstand and impact from. The end goal is NO hobby flights what so ever. Eventually they want to ban even sub 250 grams. I have been telling people about this conversation for years and no one believes me. Remote ID is a path to only wealthy people can fly. They will add requirements to the module until it is cost prohibitive to buy. We never had a chance, but keep fighting because if you don't, you will always wonder if you could have made a difference.
@@thomasmaughan4798 🤣 OOPS! Fixed it. I was probably half asleep when I typed this.
@@ajosepi1976 Anyone with half a brain should understand total ban is the goat, the FAA hates manned general aviation too.
I used to be an ama member. Until they started looking out for their interests above anyone in the hobby. I wouldn't be shocked if ama fields ended up being the ONLY frias that get approved.
If anything does get approved as a Fria it will be an AMA field. However, what you shouldn't be shocked by is when the FAA stabs the AMA in the back and doesn't approve their fields either. Classic divide and conquer. They got the AMA to stop their objections by promising FRIAs where they could be in charge and continue to snub FPV and quads in general. Next is to break the deal with the AMA now that that they're unlikely to get any help from FPV/ quad pilots after their betrayal.
The AMA has lost its way decades ago. As stated it's major concern is how to keep its self relevant , keep the money flowing in and how to not loose its castle on the hill. The FAA had the AMA seated at the children's table for the majority of their meetings.
Let's see how Flight Test (FTCA) makes out as a community based organization with the FAA. Join them to help out !
No, sadly from what I've seen, AMA membership and Field membership will only decline faster, as fewer and fewer people want to be pressured into compliance, and will instead fly unregistered and without RID.
I think the most effective way to instigate some change would be by having someone on the inside who is on our side. And a way to do that is to find the pilot who is close enough to someone in power such that they can convince them to make some changes
Bruce, along with a couple others, you are one of the few that actually makes sense regarding r-id. I'm one of the writers for Fly Tribe Magazine and am planning on doing an article about remote id for our September issue. If possible, I would enjoy picking your brain before I start. Please let me know if you are interested.
Yep, glad to lend a hand if you want one. Just drop me an email (address is in the "about" tab on this channel).
@@xjet I will be in contact within the week. Thank you.
Excellent, Bruce! Looking forward to hear what you come up with! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Just dont use RID, very simple. screw them
A drone is a potential weapon system. As a citizen of the USA we have a fundemental human right recognized by the Constitution of the United States of America to own and use our weapons. It's a second ammendment issue. Just like with guns, the first step to confiscation is registration. If a new revolutionary war happens, the citizens use of drones will be as important as the use of guns. For that reason, DO NOT COMPLY.
@@realitywave doesnt matter, the market is always smarter.
@@realitywave rip it out or build your own aircraft.
That simply means terrorists, criminals and evil-doers build their own drones. @@realitywave
It's hardware that transmits a signal, not firmware. Easy to block or limit signals. @@realitywave
11:03 "The FAA... won't have this remotest idea of what I'm going to do"
I like what you did there ;-)
Thank you for all your dedication to this hobby. Love your videos and all your friends at the field. Your virtual friend from New Orleans Louisiana, USA.
Funny how the AMA was somewhat defending remote ID when they thought the result was it was going to drive people to buy AMA memeberships
The AMA has always been terrible.
I no longer fly or a member at my local rc club because of their AMA membership requirements.
All the AMA want is your money. They are not lobbyist and don't care but getting members money.
AMA is a joke. They were supposed to keep rc pilots rights and they pretty much let thr FAA walk in and make themselves at home and do whatever they want. I stopped supporting ama 5 years ago
That back fired on them didn't it.
Keep up the good work man!
Thanks mate, your generosity is much appreciated.
Most places in the US don't have enough police to respond to real crimes in a timely manor, they are not going to respond to Karen to take a report within an average flying session. They just have far too many things to do and the FFA has no policing power to get you themselves. There will be a period of high adoption and perhaps even enforcement, but that will taper off quickly as the enforcers just don't have the time to care. It will, as others have suggested, just become a rule they use to throw at people to maximize sentences when they catch someone doing other illegal activities.
Unfortunately priorities have changed as to what is enforced. You can now shoplift in many cities and push people onto subway tracks without repercussions (especially if you're in a certain protected demographic); but peacefully hold a sign saying the wrong thing or sing the National Anthem at the US capital, or fly your drone while sticking your tongue out, and you'll be the highest priority for their limited policing power--in part because it's people like us who are otherwise law abiding, pose no physical danger to them, and the police can more easily rack up their arrest quotas (bonuses and raises--at least with the FBI).
This is going to be a big money maker for them. Don’t think for a second they will taper off on confiscating or impounding and or fining folks for flying without RID.
Over time the non RID drones will die. New manufactured drones *must* have RID and if it is malfunctioning the SUAS is not permitted to fly. In other words, it will mostly self-enforce.
In my small town the police have plenty of time to deal with small, stupid stuff like this as we don’t have much actual crime to keep them busy..
I am old enough to remember back in the 70's when CB radios were all the rage. I do recall that you they did try to scare people interested in the hobby by requiring you get a license as soon as you bought a CB. By requiring a license, they could create fear by making you believe that they were close and always watching. Sound familiar? And I also remember hearing stories of people being caught for not having a license, using excess power, etc. And they made huge examples of those people that were caught. It makes me wonder if these people really were caught, or that the FCC just said that they were to scare the public. Most people back then didn't comply. And the hobby was so massive that there was simply no way the FCC could keep track of all of the supposed scofflaws. Anyway, I see many similarities between the two hobbies and timelines.
And as for flying my drone, I already hardly ever fly because of the negatively perceived perceptions that the general public has for drones overall. I went to fly at a lighthouse close to shore when some friendly neighbors stopped me to inform me that the owners of the lighthouse would not be happy that I was flying there. And mind you, this was off season and the owners weren't even there. People just like to exert their authority and that is my biggest fear with Remote ID. Can you imagine the number of people, given their new-found power and authority, to snitch on every single drone flight that they come across?
I know a couple who were caught in the early 80s. The FCC was looking for a guy that was using a linear amp and broadcasting at about 500 watts. The couple were using legal power, but weren't on a legal frequency in the same neighborhood. It scared them and things were in limbo for a few weeks, but the net result was a fine of a few hundred dollars and they had to forfeit their home and car CBs.
CB'ers still operate massively illegal transmitters. For the most part they are ignored but occasionally get stomped on by the FCC. They stomp each other far more effectively anyway.
Thanks!
Thanks Dan, your support is very much appreciated.
Goodnya Bruce! I no longer fly but this is beyond disheartening to see as usual big daddy Govt is taking more and more of our freedoms in the name of "safety" and were rolling over and letting them have it. While I have no illusions that we can totally fix the problem, I do feel like there need to be more people calling this out and saying this is going too far. We dumped a load of tea into the harbor in Boston over much smaller issues in our past.
Be a Air pirate ! Fly Free !
@fel_pie keep lickin those boots, bruh
I’m loving living in NewZealand right now.
Flood their system with IDs submitting random GPS locations 24/7 such that they give up and throw in the towel.
I bet ai could be used in this! Giggles
What system? As far as I can tell there is no system at all. No one is listening. Instead of flooding them with signals it would be far easier to give them no signal at all, which they won't notice either.
Thank you for all you do for our hobby.
Looking forward to hearing your strategies, Bruce.
I'm apart of the group that has special interest in making sure this hobby stays legal and will help however I can. Just say the word Bruce!
The fact remains it is impossible to enforce because there is not enough people or money or will to build a system to do it. The idea will go away when it is realized that this is impossible.
no it won't, they will use it for tack on charges when someone they don't like gets caught because America has become a banana republic.
Impossible? That is the insurmountable obstacle that was designed to criminalize our drones. Our masters want us to eat bugs. The goal seems to be the destruction of our society. This is just a single facet of a very large. coordinated effort.
It won't go away... look at the fight on gun control. There are more guns then people and they are still trying to get them
And guns are written in the constitution, flying quads is not
@@FastSloW-qt8xf clearly the solution is to make a gun that can fly!
I plan to fly line of sight like I always have responsibly. They’ll have to stop me.
Same here. We fly under 400 feet away from other aircraft. No one is in danger if we fly responsibly. Instead of the FAA punishing people who don't fly responsibly the FAA is choosing to burden and punish everyone in the hobby who are doing the right things and flying responsibly. Not to mention people (with an app) will have access to our location and personal info. That is not safe for anyone flying because we all know there are people out there that take advantage of the remote ID info to do people harm.
If you watch that FAA youtube video from four weeks ago (UAS Traffic Management Pilot Program), it becomes pretty clear that the FAA has very little concern with recreational, in line of sight, remotely operated fixed wing aircraft.
Over 60 years self regulated without any real issues. Lumping model aircraft in the same group as those idiots flying drones was ridiculous. Most of the issues with those reported by commercial pilots turned out to be government owned, and we get blamed.
It's simple for the FAA and Law Enforcement to view your "public" flight records and fine you!
Very intrigued, cant wait to see your plans unfold! have a sub.
Thank you for your time and effort that you invested for our hobby 🙏🏻
I live in the USA and hold my Part 107 and I agree with everything you are saying.
I keep telling people in the 3D print world to get out ahead of regulations... once the regulation is in place, it's hard to overturn.
Hey Bruce, remote ID is still not due to be enforced in the UK, but it's in a planning phase. I was thinking of setting up a website to protest the change, I was thinking it could do double duty and also give info about action that can be done in the US/ Canada / Aus, etc based on localisation. Interested in your thoughts.
Stop thinking, and do it :) The sooner the better Chris
Please keep posting about this particular issue!!!
What will happen if you fly your viper 90 after sept 16 what will the FAA do?
Nothing... because I live in New Zealand but if someone in the USA does so, outside of an approved FRIA and without a Remote ID module installed and operating, the will effectively be breaking the Remote ID rule and could be subject to fines.
Look at par 103. They are allowed 250lbs no reg. No license. It makes no sense for us to be allowed sub 250 grams
Also remember to factor in those that fly and do not hear about the new rules. They added to the (mass) non-compliance group numbers by default.
A good thing where ignorance actually helps the cause, as long as they are responsible fliers. Like most people are.
Remember when we saw another pilot down the park, did we tell them to leave, or say what ya flying, wanna play chase? Cool to see other enthusiasts.
Well, that's how I am.
Have fun people's!
(Do no harm.)
Most RC flyers did not register, that I know of.
register what?
@@jonnscott4858exactly
The 'battle' was lost the moment manufacturers were forced to install remote ID to every new drone starting last year. Not to single out any specific area of the hobby, but we *must* look at the GPS camera bird group since it represents the largest user base... I am not seeing enough of them concerned about avoiding the latest DJI firmware(s), which absolutely has RID for Mavic Air 2S and up. Where are the major boycotts of all new camera drones that have RID? This should be blowing up the entire manufactured camera bird sector, and yet it's crickets. If they cared, you'd be seeing hundreds of drones for sale, and new sales dropping... and people asking how to build their own drones, because of RID. They hate RID but they're dealing with it. Some even actually LIKE remote ID... Because they wishfully, ignorantly think it will gift them BVLOS in the near future...
The DIY group and FPV group are the _loudest_ but we are the smallest percentage of drone users. The FAA's automatic compliance with remote ID increases every single day which each drone that supports it when firmware is brought up to date, and a new drone is purchased. They will certainly see the compliance numbers in that as a smashing success, after all, it's exactly what they wanted... the DIY side of the drone hobby is just caught in the crossfire of all this. It's obvious that little Danny with his foam board plane in a field isn't what they're after. But they don't care enough to deal with it, because our numbers are just so small.
Thank you for reminding people that this is, (for many), just a hobby and to be cautious about what actions they take.
I think you will find that fixed wing and Helicopter model flyers are the largest group of what they refer to as drones, what you are talking about is a minor subset in somparison ie Multirotors.
You are 100% right about how the system operates. I'm not really sure if FPVFC etc have really helped, despite their best intentions, because it only produces minimal concessions and allows the FAA to say "we've consulted, your representatives are onboard with this". The only way I can see is to get to the real decision makers with public opinion that they'd listen to. Time may do that with a proliferation of small quads and a much widened user base, and thus wider public pressure group, but history unfortunately shows model flying is quite a niche hobby, and always has been.
But, the FAA will never raise the 250g limit - lower it, quite possibly - even likely, but not raise it, because there is nothing to make them - though I say that without knowledge of your proposals. Even at that limit there's a problem though, because of how easy it is to slip out of the recreational / educational exemption, simply putting the video on RUclips, or on a not for profit local club website will do it.
I think I would settle for reinforcing the 250g limit so it doesn't go down, and making the exemption not so easy to fall out of. Won't suit a lot of people, and it is not at all ideal, but that's my opinion.
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I am not a drone pilot, but I wish you luck. You are learning the same sad lesson others have learned. This is the camels nose under the ten.
Thanks for the videos Bruce keep up the good work!
Bruce, as always your prescience and thoughtfulness could teach us all a decent lesson about matters such as this. I've been watching the cloud of remote ID looming for years now and am consistently disappointed by the turnout from our community as you stated. Dave Messina and the lads from FT are quite nice and our conversations have been pleasant, but they seem to have far too much faith in the FAA reps. The AMA has proven to be worthless and they are equally as impotent against this. The FAA doesn't give a jot about 'pilot shortages' or STEM programs, or even the difference between a 'drone' and an RC aircraft. Money once again has won the day - even if the hardware will eventually be cheap, the forced subscriptions will be a recurring revenue stream both for communications and for the data management. Delivery and transportation will see their golden egg when the airspace seems to be clear of the pesky hobbyists, but they have probably underestimated the complexity of their goals.
Admittedly that all sounds a bit defeatist - or just realistic. Nonetheless, I am up for providing what help I can - so count me in. After 35 years in the hobby I'm not ready to give up just yet.
Thanks for what you do, Bruce!
Thx for all you efforts bruce
We never had a chance Bruce, they have shown that they will just twist the rules to get what they want
We can twist the rules to you know
Thanks for what you are doing man and surprise is a great idea!
In my eyes, 1kg is shooting ourselves in the foot. The big issue affecting "drones" is these dji drone flyers being idiots up near planes and a 1kg rule will not keep the mavics from flying above sports events. I believe the goal should be the same as the EU - self-made drones are not legally required to transmit Remote ID. This means mfgs will need to continue to comply but us hobbyists will continue to be able to build and do what we love.
This is the best idea IMO. There is a big difference between camera drones and what hobbyists do. There is also a big difference in the knowledge of your average DJI pilot vs the average person building their own. Many of us know all the rules and fly extremely safe with a big respect and admiration for flight. DJI pilots on the other hand are mainly just wanting a camera in the sky.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 Since its existing legislation in a region like the EU, Its also an easy way to shoe-in for regulators to be ok with. This really seems like it would be the best compromise and most attainable for legislators.
I am not in your hobby, although I probably have as many books about aircraft as anyone. I presume that your videos are being served to me because I watch videos about air warfare from time to time. I mostly just wanted to say that I like the way you think and good luck to you!!!
I must point out though, that many people do in fact live without health insurance. It is usually not by choice, but there it is. It is one of those things that is more-or-less doable when you are young & healthy, but is a bit dangerous & scary once you are over 50...
The thing I don't understand is that if you want to fly and do bad things that actually hurt the national security and endanger the airspace your not getting your drone licensed or registered, just not happening in the first place.
I think it's going to be a lot higher than 1% non-compliance. The cost of the add on module is going to stop a lot of people from complying. I have only one drone that is registered and that is because it came with remote ID onboard,
The strange thing is I know many people who fly drones and they don't even know about RemoteID. Every once in awhile they talk about getting registered and I say the Drone isn't registered you're registered. I tell them they are giving the FAA a place to go look for them. The overwhelming response is they realize they were getting scammed by registering.
Also most people that I know flying fpv should probably have there ham radio license. I don't know anybody that has that.
Are there any posted statistics on how many people are actually getting busted?
Finally! Someone said the same thing I believe. Just raise the weight threshold to 1KG recognize FPV can see where they’re going. No need for a spotter. Limit the height to keep them out of the same airspace as commercial aircraft. And then just piss off!
All things considered and with regards to the way hobbyists have been “handled” by government regulators, the only power we have to effect change is non-compliance and a degree of civil disobedience. The measures required to overcome this regulatory BS needs to be “safety oriented” and produce a potential cost burden sufficient to render the solution of which “less expensive”. Most people in this hobby have good common sense and commitment to safe practices which is amazing to me in that the FAA/CAA can’t figure it out and agree on something sensible.
They will try to get us to turn on ourselves, just like the communists.
Funny thing is that, I bump into GPS drone pilots on the net all the time that have no idea these FAA rules are kicking in. Recently I was asked by one of them to "stop spreading fear" when I suggested that flying over a populated city in the US would get him in trouble. FPV pilots might be quite aware of what's going on with the FAA, but I feel like DJI type pilots might not be as synced in (and hence not part of the solution because of it).
Keep up the good fight…..from Canada.
the thing that gets me about the currant rules is the fact i can go outside just about anywhere and kick or throw a NFL spec. football that weighs 16Oz (450g) and can be flying at over 50MPH! and no-one can really say anything. but i pull out a balsa and foam scale model that weighs in at 450g and fly's at 30-40MPH -and poof! they are up in arms saying that i'm doing something inherently dangerous... are they going to mandate remote ID for all footballs?
It's even more ludicrous than you think... I can go and build an ultralight aircraft and it doesn't require registration, licensing or any kind of beacon. I can then fly that aircraft without any kind of training or tests. HOWEVER... if I build a tiny RC model of that aircraft that weighs just 250g it will require *all* of the above... by law. Go figure!
@@xjet aye, I knew about the part 103 B.S. but most people just shrug off that idea since they've never seen an ultralight around. but just about every American has seen a football thrown around near them.
Get your suitcase and HELL No they won't
I haven’t really followed this but can our ”numbers” be increased artifically? Is there a limit to how many remote id broadcasts I can do at the same time? Same time at different locations? Are helium ballons ok? What about kites with really long lines? Heavier than 250g kites with long lines? Kites with a drone strapped to them? Testing remote id equipment on the ground or in your home?
Is the remote id at least open sourced so it can be cheaply manufactured by anyone?
Surely if you want to Identify potentially dangerous drones from recreational flyers you can just decode the control signal. If it’s doing loops and flips it’s probably safe, remote id or not.
Sorry for not doing any research if this is all already part of the discussion.
Bruce is correct so I'm behind and will do whatever plan comes forth in the hard knockout surprise.
Who does the FAA think is going to inforce these new rules? Local Law enforcement?!
Yep.
Don't forget the Karen's!
I left a lengthy comment about that very thing. Short version...I have 2 buddies that are sherif deputies and they don't give a rats a$$ about any of this.
@@RCinginSC Same here, I know PD officers and deputies that are not happy about it because they look at it as it is increasing their responsibilities without any training. It will create more work for them.
Good on law enforcement that ignores complaints that don't involve public safety.
I will not be told what to do in my yard.
The rule makers will pick on high profile RC flyers ( drone flyers ) ... and ignore low profile profile flyers ... they can’t chase everyone ...
It's going to be interesting to see what happens at the AMA flying site, it's over a 1000 acres with many paved runways, but 20% of the land is part of the Reese Airport, that has one active runway that parallels the AMA property on the south corner. Not sure how active Reese airport is, but they do hold several large fly-ins there yearly. They do have an active FBO onsite and lots of transit aircraft stop in for fuel.
I have looked on the FAA website and can't find anything about the sub-250g exception for drone registration. It used to be there. Did the do away with it?
Your channel is so freaking good!!!
God love ya Bruce. I hope your idea is more than saying “with an ADS-B receiver in hand, drone pilots don’t need RID”. But I’m sure it is better than that.
Another idea for you, if it isn’t already this…
Multi-User Ground Station Remote ID (MUGS-RID). A ground station based device that transmits remote ID information on behalf of all recreational pilots who are currently flying at a fixed site. The pilots use an app on their mobile device (phone) to connect to the ground station (via the MUGS-RID Wi-Fi) and select the machine they are currently flying. Users can enter information into the app about the machines that they own with details of average speed and approximate flying height. Users of the app must be registered with the FAA and must attest that they have taken the TRUST exam. The location of the pilot station at the flying site will be indicated in the remote ID signal sent out by the MUGS-RID. The pilot app will have easy to use buttons for “flying” and “landed”. When the pilot’s mobile device is no longer connected to the MUGS-RID Wi-Fi then their current flying machine will be removed from the active list and a remote ID signal will no longer be transmitted for it, and any other machines that they own.
This will allow the FAA to scrap FRIA and so will save them a fortune in administrative costs.
Bruce - This could be a nice addition to the ADS-B receiver. Get cracking with MUGS-RID mate, you might just save the hobby! Sorry if this puts the cat out of the bag? If not, it’s extra smoke-n-mirrors you can use.
Go to it with the Jedi mind trick… FAA - These are not the drones you are looking for!!!!
Why does *anyone* need to transmit *any* RID signal anyway? It does not deconflict the airspace, it does not stop bad actors from doing bad things -- it simply inconveniences otherwise law-abiding, responsible drone operators without preventing a damned thing. It's like passing a law that says "everyone must bury a red brick in their garden" and telling them that "the red brick will keep tigers away". Six months later they'll say "see, no tiger attacks in the past six months, it's working!"
Don’t disagree with that Bruce, but RID isn’t going away - too much time and money invested already. We need a cost effective solution that makes everyone (including the FAA and the politicians) happy. The hobbyists are not the target here but we need acknowledgment that the hobby exists and RID as designed doesn’t work for the hobby in general. The hobby is also a vital pipeline of talent for the aviation industry. The industry is already in big trouble because fewer people are getting the passion for flight and then not joining the industry. Bad karma all round.
Love what you do Bruce - keep it going!
I shan't comply, I shall exceed the 250 G or whatever it is weight limit, and the FAA shan't fine me. That's how this will roll out. I shan't explain why but it shall be that way. Thanks for the heads up tho!
Do you think the manufacturers will be forced to install RID into the radio/Xmitrs and the system will have to be "linked in" even before the radio will transmit a signal to control the flying item?
This is what I’ve been saying all along. Just look at DJI. It’s coming. It’s the ONLY way to enforce RemoteID.
Yes, the original NPRM clearly described a system where no flight would be possible until the UTM had granted permission. This would be enforced by technology that disabled arming of the drone/model.
Very informative. Thank you
Almost 100% of drone Pilots that I talk to that fly recreationally already who have told me that they will not comply. They're just going to go out flying not worried about it. Overwhelmed and overworked in the United States. This is the last thing they will be willing to deal with.
Definitely not going to worry about it. I will be doing my own thing
As with everything else, all they do is take, take and take more. It’s for your safety!
I think there are a few things to think about here. One you have recreational flyers and that group is not small by any means until you put it up against the entire population. Then you have another group that are going to be more hesitant to do anything in my opinion that are commercial operators (107) and obviously there is some overlap in these groups. I think the reason 250g is a threshold is it’s difficult for many to have a model that is below this threshold. My second thought is they had 250g in mind for commercial operators and just carried it over because they knew it already…
The trouble is most people think government and its bureaucracy is honest and is working for the Citizens - 100% WRONG on both counts.
Over 50 years of dealing with government bureaucracy on all levels in several countries, it is experience that has proven to me that bureaucracy exists to ensure its own continuing existence, to the ultimate detriment of Citizens.
Basic lesson, you simply can not trust politicians!
Key part of the messaging needs to be the role that the hobby plays in attracting individuals to the aviation industry and STEM careers. Be it pilots, mechanics, or other roles. Currently there is a global pilot shortage, which is exited to worsen over this next decade as the existing generation of professionals retire. FAA's authorization is set to expire in September, and a major part of the discussion in Congress the last couple weeks has been the pending pilot, and other professional skill shortage in aviation fields.
Agree, RemoteID is likely here to stay. As stated, the 250g limit needs to be raised to 1kg. A football, or soccer ball weighs 500g and is not considered a safety hazard. Its even celebrated should a ball travel off into the crowd. Ideally consumer drones need a separate category from hobby style aircraft, particularly once an individual has demonstrated a superior level of skills.
The FAA is not intentionally trying to be the enemy. The FAA is responding to lobbyists from the commercial airline industry and military flight industry. These are multi-Billion dollar industries use to getting their way. As hobbyists we need to carve out space that allows us to fly, and make it know we are staying clear of the big interests that FAA oversees that generate commerce for a nation.
I would say that if theres any draw because of the hobby its minimal. No they are responding to lobbyists like amazon and other large uas operators or want to be operators.
Are they going to put warnings on the Mini 2 and 3s, may cause false reports of drone flying?
Mini 3 Pro has remote ID onboard Mini 3 also. You are being watched, but Big Brother is only concerned about your safety.
@@frankmoreau8847 Yep big brother is watching what you are doing with your drones. Now what do you think they have been doing with your phone already? It's a tracking device with your every movement recorded at massive data centers.
It will probably end up like Amateur Radio in the US ... self-enforced. They will pit the compliant RCers against the defiant RCers.
With amateur radio it's not practical to check ID, so enforcement is targeted at transmitters causing interference.
Some thoughts: 1. The “drone” industry hasn’t turned out as was forecast and will never get anywhere near the projections. 2. Drone delivery will NEVER become common place in urban areas. Never. 3. Manned VTOLS crisscrossing like taxis will NEVER become common place. The market isn’t there. Remote ID is for UTM which will NEVER be implemented (there’s not going to be any profits to be had). Remote ID is a white elephant. Yes, you’ll have to comply and the hassle of compliance is detrimental to the RC Hobby. This is what happens when Congress is bought by corporate lobbyists.
I love the enthusiasm that many of the rc community has had in the past few years. However, as all things are, the government doesn't care about the people. They have way too much power to care. Overregulation is what governments do, and there's not much you can do "peacefully" to stop it. And in the case of rc toys, nobody is willing to die for it, and I don't blame them.
The best thing to do imo, is just to disregard it and be responsible. Besides, it's hard to track whenever there's no ID or tracker
I love your perspective. I refuse to register my aircraft. I fly on my own property, they can suck it.
I as well. 120 acres farm that’s in middle of nowhere. Plus my farmer neighbor’s who actually enjoy watching my flights especially when I do proximity flights over 4 of our farms.
I’m only in the air for less than an hour at a time. Going to be flying anyway, safely and sanely.
If I fly 20 m above the house, I am not endangering anyone. If an aircraft is that low, then we have a huge problem. So, it makes no sense at all.
Thanks Bruce,,,I totally agree with you, one legistration and the rest of authority in other countries follow. I hate the word Drone it’s a word that people think of as menacing, a weapon of war used by military to cause havoc and death, please let’s change the name of Drone to something else that all in our hobby can use, this idea may help giving the general public an understanding that our flying machines are just small and cause no threat. Governments should be more concerned about people being stabbed and shot to death, put that rate of deaths against our hobby, I just don’t get what these regulators want, need to find out the truth what’s behind all these regulations that most countries are gagging to adopt, surely it can’t just be money ?
remote ID like most things RF are very difficult/impossible to enforce in mass. the amount of non-compliance will be almost absolute. this will be like so many laws a gotcha they use after the fact of a crime or perceived crime to throw the book at someone.
I will fly with a RID just hope I can remember to turn it on. Lol
It's relatively new tech, so it's bound to "fail" often, right? ;-)
Heres the deal.. i have 2 buddies that are county sherrif deputies. They have no idea what i was talking about when i brought it up. They have no idea what the 250g rule is or remote ID. No clue. So how will the FAA enforce any of this if the local authorities dont even know or care about any of it. They both told me it certainly would not be a priority to enforce if dispatched to an infringement. So non compliance is easy when theres no enforcement.
Yep 99% of rc pilots know the rules better than 99% of police it's that simple. I've never heard of a cop coming up and asking what mw you're transmitting at and if you have a HAM license this will be the same thing, most cops are more interested in finding criminals not someone playing with a toy.
someone in another video made mention that remote ID will fail. they had said all it will take is one person to take a remote ID and place it by or near a air field. it will broadcast and basically could shut down an entire airport. I have no idea how the remote ID information will work as of yet. but what if someone using a remote ID with no information on it in this manner? they would see it as something out near the airport and have to stop all air traffic and go out to investigate. this will cost them allot of money and knowing that people would do this just for the fun of it or the excitement. I dont see working well and with them leaving it up to local authorities to handle. in many cases they have more important things to deal with. sadly in the end this is like everything else they try to regulate. the only people it will hurt or stop is the everyday person.
Im Rogue, 100% fixed wing. I do fly at My Club,. however many times ITs nice to not drive 30 minutes to club.
At local fields, parks, use Common Sense, keep it quiet,fly conserative aircraft,, fly when there are few people, Do not fly over anything you dont want to hit.
Karen will get you when you buzz over her house an car. I do appreciate Guys like made this video, proactive, wanting to make a difference. Thank You.
I don't care anymore but will support whatever you do or ask us to do Bruce. Not leaving you alone in a fight for us.
Who made the 250 rule in the first place? All my racing drones are over that the lightest one I have is 750, and why would I need all them rules for a drone that basically doesn't go far and I don't really want to add more weight