Is it really hate or just amusement at over the top silliness and phrases used to impress couch potato coworkers? But yea, opinions of others are just noise, especially the toxic ones on sm, and that is just my opinion 😂
I've been off-roading for over 40 years. If this is a trend, it's news to me. For those who hate it, the faster they get off the trails, the better. Leaves more room for those who wheel for the love of it. My dad got me into it. And I've passed it on to my son. And as long as he keeps doing it for the love, he should be passing it on to my grandkids.
Speaking strictly from my own experiences... the only Overland bashing I've seen comes from content creators chasing trends. I just choose to ignore it... people gotta pay their bills.
Best comment I've seen on this thread! Out on the trails, you see people coming together and helping each other out, greeting each other and being polite. Most people are quite nice in person, especially when they are out doing the things they like to do and enjoying their hobbies.
If i'm spending a weekend in the woods.... i'm camping. If i'm spending the week in the woods away from stores, fuel, ammenaties, etc and living fully sustained out of my vehicle while traversing various terrains to get to or find a destnation... I'm overlanding. Most folks who dont do the second one have no idea what it's even about.
You need a sleeping bag, food and water along with a way to cook your food, that is it. Been dong what people called "overlanding" since I turned 16, I am 63 now. Lived out of my vehicle in Alaska for a year in 1980 trapping fur and prospecting gold. I have dreamed of the ultimate vehicle for living out of in the wilds since then. I built what I think is ideal for me and I spent roughly 100k on it. I use it, it is just over a year old and I have over 40k miles on it. It is a 23 Gladiator Rubicon, with an Alu Cab Canopy Camper...I hunt, fish and prospect all over out of it....already been to about 35 of our states in the past year fishing, hunting and camping. I do not care what anybody else thinks....my money, my life....
Where I see most hate is from broke pockets or weak hands. The reason is most of the time when someone has a high ticket item they get hate from people who can't afford it which fuels jealousy. I understand we all have a budget for most people but those who have deep pockets building these rigs shouldn't get hate on because they're in a better financial position. And for those with weak hands lack the skills or creativity to build their own equipment like a homemade slid in camper for an example. You know how many people build so impressive rigs from scratch. So you don't need to spend thousands if you can't. But that's where I see the hate, from broke pockets and soft hands individuals.
or, and hear me out, people get hate when they spend 100k on a truck w/accessories to drive 10 miles down a dirt road to camp for a night. The 'broke pockets' comment is right up that alley. "Overlanding" has become about the rigs, not the experience - at least online.
I was having this conversation with some friends the other day about this and everyone has different interests when it comes to camping. Someone will bash on our setups and how much we spend on gear, but will spend 3x the amount on a 25’ camper trailer or 30k on a SxS, or camera gear. Everyone needs to find what makes the most sense for their individual needs. How we camp is not the same as how others camp. We just show what the options are.
This happens to everything in everything. Skaters calling others posers, street cars vs. track cars. Over built vehicles vs. “the purist”. People are always gonna talk shit. Do what you want buy what you want build what you want.
On a happy note I'm glad it is going down. Less people in the trails, prices hopefully will go down to normal levels. I'm one of those that think Americans took it to another level in good American fashion. I'm one of those who think Those stupid expos are just trade shows. None one needs classes to camp, those expos are just there to sell stuff and set up people to think they need 100k in equipment to go outdoors
Stash your hi lift, your shovel, axe, 5 gal gas can, water, recovery traction boards, etc... under your truck's bed cover. Only thing on the front are some amber LED fog lights in the factory location in the bumper. Tires are 10.5" wide, 34" tall. Good dampers (shocks). Slight suspension lift (under 2", the rest comes from a 33 - 35" tire). Tools, kinetic rope, soft shackles, snatch rings, tree straps, tow straps, chain, snow chains... all stashed where they're not seen. Stealth O-landin'. Cheers.
I think a lot of the hate comes from seeing these things driven locally, like a commuter car. People buy and build these overlanders and proceed to use them as status symbols. If the vehicle is lucky it might go camping once a year, besides that it's a mall crawler with self made blind spots because people put molle panels over half the windows.
I am a tent camper. Oh, the hate I got from truck tents, lol. I dont really care though. Do whatever you like. RTTs dont work for everyone. Wait until you have to get up to pee a couple times a night, with bad knees. And its cold out. And you have a partner who ALSO has to do that. Then, a good, quality tent, maybe with a cot, sounds a lot more appealing!!! Ultimately, we are going with a Bean trailer though. Thats our dream.
Right! the hate goes both ways from what iv seen. Its so weird how camping can have so many groups that hate on the other groups. Guess hate is just human nature lol
For me ease of use is key. Got a cheap 2012 frontier, but an Alucab tent. It's strong as hell and can carry a canoe or a couple of mountainbikes with ease. We never stay in one place more than one night and I don't much like packing and unpacking stuff every day. Now setup is 1 minute, breakdown maybe 5, with tables, chairs and awning. Nearly everything for the rest is DIY and boxes. Truck is always ready and can leave home within 15 minutes.
You're actually using that stuff like its supposed to be. The rest of the "overlanders" who take their lifted 4Runners TRD Pro's on 35's with MaxTrax and all that stuff, down the same road I tow my 24' Jayco travel trailer, and park for the weekend drinking IPA's don't.
I went straight to LT315/70R17, aka 35 inch tires right off the get go. For me on my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon, the suspension was set for it, but a year later I regeared to 5:13 so my speedometer, and transmission shift poits were close to factory. Going bigger takes cash, and it takes suspension modification. If you are ready, then the skies the limit. It will open up trails that were hard to drive without. I went the regearing, then stubby bumper, 12K winch, then a-pillar and bumper driving lights. It gets dark in the back country when the sun goes down. I already have a great North Face 4 season tent, and found a high warm winter bag, and a high Rvalue air mattress.
The more times I've opted to buy aftermarket components the more I've wished I just left things OEM with a few exceptions (like an aftermarket steel bumper and winch). OEM's spent a ton on engineering and R&D to build things the way they did and I'm definitely a soft roader...I've never been on a FS road and felt like I needed more capability out of my vehicle to get me where I'm wanting to go. I can spend money and time building a rig out, or I can spend money and time building experience. I've only got two weeks vacation and live 6 hours from any NF so in my situation it makes sense to spend my money and time building experience. Also I feel it's important to focus on proper maintenance before you start spending money on build outs. I've seen plenty of stranded built up vehicles on a trail because of something maintenance related like a ball joint, cv joint or u-joint that finally failed.
The problem with overlanding is the social media influencer has destroyed what they helped to created years ago . They push so much hi -end stuff now the cost of entry is thought to be so high that it’s impossible for most people to afford and it is simply not that way at all . I’ll go out with any one any time but I know a lot of people in the community that have all these crazy criteria of what your build has to be to roll with them on the trail . This stuff is killing the hobby/sport and I think that’s where most of the hate comes from .
I'm not a camping kind of guy but I've been looking at overlanding rigs for ideas on making my f350 into more of a cross country driver, always interesting to see how people modify their vehicles to suit their needs/ hobbies
You always find out what you need when you do go camping or overlanding, I see my rig as an extension of myself like a bag Pack… what I don’t like is people telling me what I need when they drive a freaken sedan
As someone who is running 35’s here is what I recommend….keep it light! Pay attention to the tire and wheel combo and keep it as light as it is reasonable for your rig. The added weight is very noticeable. Also please reinforce your lower control arm pivots, carry extra axles and tie rods…..and send it I love the 35’s!😂
I think you should go with 255/85R16 or 255/80R17 to keep 33” tires but go to a pizza cutter size. Your traction and mpg will go up, sand flotation will go down. Only problem is the 16” diameter are harder to find.
Just stumbled upon this video.. and I like you and your thoughts on this. We just did a month long overland trip from Massachusetts to the Arctic Circle in Alaska. We’ve done a few month long adventures and that’s just what it is.. adventure and exploration.. everything from those must see things like the redwoods and Grand Canyon to the totally unknown things we find along the way. All of it is part of the journey and it makes for some wonderful experiences and memories. My partners xterra is mildly built all built by her. Unfortunately that’s another thing that we run across frequently, people assume that it’s my rig and I politely and quickly let them know it’s her rig built by her.
Since the 1970's I've been 4 wheeling, off-roading. Going to the back county, back woods, boondocks, boonies, sticks, woods camping. Never once have I heard the word "overlanding" be used until recent times. Really, what does it mean anyway? A nearly stock capable vehicle for off road trails, canvas tent, white gas Coleman stove, a few blankets for sleeping, really basic stuff is all you need to have a fantastic, wonderful, good time. Forget the glamping crap and just go and have a great time.
The method I go by now when it comes to overlanding is a "problem-solving" method. I only buy gear if I need it to solve a problem, not just because it is nice to have.
I’ve notice more and more negativity lately. I started a couple years ago and I kept hearing “you need this!” or you suck. Now I hear “if you have this…” you suck. I just build for myself and stay solo. I have name brands and I have off brands made in China. I enjoy my gear and I bought them for myself and my family. Love your videos and your honesty, brother.
With the tires, 33s are more fuel efficient, but let's be honest, how much more, especially after all the mods? Go for the 35s. It will look a whole lot cooler
Spending 100,000 on a truck regardless... let alone doing the work yourself on the vehicle (which is a great learning experience) for lots of "good" reasons is over kill. Having the tools of the trade and being prepared to what you are going out to do either "solo" or with a group is smart. Shop around and buy used. Internet has so many free and cheap ways to do something it's almost endless. So go out there and just have a good time and share the knowledge, be safe & just have a damn good time. PS thanks for posting this video, new to the channel so I followed, thanks sir.
If you got the money for “overlanding” stuff then go for it. But if you just have an AWD vehicle you can still go more places than most mall crawlers go. All you gotta do is find a place to park, fold down the back seats, blow up an air mattress and pull out some blankets or a sleeping bag. Which is what I do and will probably always do. I just can’t afford a tricked out Taco. And when I get the money for something like that I’ll probably get a fourwheeler so I can really get out in the back country. Trucks are just too big for most trails and really destroy the landscape. If you’ve got a network of true overlanding trails around you that’s great. But that just doesn’t exist in Alaska.
Something like a Suzuki Samurai/Jimny would be ideal for the tight bush like that. BC is very similar to Alaska with super tight, twisty mountain trails, and I went some insane places with a 1999 Honda CR-V with a 2" lift and "big" tires (big for the tiny vehicle). It was an absolute weapon for that kind of terrain. Just some options for you to consider.
When i'm on a freeway and I see someone with their daily driver overland set up with recovery boards, hijack, tent, and fuel cans. It's just seems like they want attention and to show everyone that "I'm outdoorzi".
Same. If I had the money, I would have a dedicated adventure vehicle (a jeep or similar SUV style vehicle) and a "farm truck" but as it stands, my truck has to be both a workhorse and an adventure platform. It basically does everything, and my build out is set up the way it is because of that reality.
A lot of good points. Expectations versus confusing labels contribute to the recent reversal or return to mean. Terms like soft-roading or rock crawling vehicles are on the branches of the camping tree as well. Demographics of 1 - 2-week excursions versus normal weekend excursions also adds the lash back. We all need to learn what works for us, within our means and not to sweat the small stuff. Choose which label works for you or ignore the labels and have fun anyway. Growing up in a rural area with many dirt/gravel roads, the term off-roading or soft-roading didn't exist as they were the roads you drove every day and occasionally some had pavement. Most all of those dirt/gravel roads have since been paved.
We as humans feel the need to be better than the other. Seems to me that the word overlanding is a word that gives people certain status in the campaign community. I drove thousands of miles this year and tried to camp in remote places. I found happy people everywhere. No labels, just happy campers. Remove the label and all of us find ourselves in the same situation. Parked in the middle of nature cooking, eating, sleeping and 💩ing. No labels, no problem.
I just gotta jump in here and say that if you are actualy touring with one of these setups, the price of the tent 100% makes a huge huge difference. If you are just going out for a few days in fair weather, then I'd say no you don't need to spend big bucks on the sleep system. But if you are touring long term, just get the good tent! Longevity, ease and comfort are the name of the game for the real "overlander"
Good, I hope everyone stays away. Less trash and problems out on the roads and trails. If they are just keeping up with trends, it's best for them to watch videos from the comfort of their couch.
I would say it always pays to be cautious when making big purchases. Try with what you have and then decide for yourself what you need and don't. Start with cheaper options and upgrade if you want better quality or convenience.
No matter how much you choose to spend, spending it on things you enjoy is absolutely investment in your happiness. Other people’s opinions shouldn’t be weighed on how that money is spent.
Oh 100% I’ve been thinking this since a while ago but never thought it would become a popular idea. I used to have a built up Jeep JK with the whole thing the tent the gas tanks the big tires etc, now I have a nice Offroad popup trailer and everything packed into boxes that I enjoy far more towing with my 5th gen 4runner that is stock besides some grippy tires
The issue isn't overlanding itself, it is the "industry" taking advantage of people with too much money and too little sense. The hobby has become, seemingly, more about the gear than the actual experiences.
Never understood why people get so upset about things that have absolutely ZERO impact on their lives. I am glad the snowflakes get triggered over Overlanding rigs lol. Keep making them mad.
Maybe things are different here in Australia or perhaps I don't interact with the people who would dislike what it is we do but yeah I don't get much hate apart from the friendly competition with the Nissan drivers and the Toyota Tax comments. Or perhaps I'm just old and deaf that I don't hear it. Either way fuck em, they don't know what they're missing out on. A day spent on that road less travelled is a bloody good day if ya ask me.
Well said! I low-key stopped posting so much of my camping videos cause of that "hate" lol Trying to share my camping experience turns into "look at this fauxvoerlander" or "he built his truck for this?" so now I camp and don't post about it...as much. Youre right though just miserable people online. Great video and a topic that will be talked about more often!
Do your thing and don't even read the comments. There's trolls, but then there are others who enjoy seeing people have fun and may adopt some of your ideas. If we were all the same it would be very boring.
I think that the first thing to acknowledge is that it's an expensive hobby. With that you'll get a certain demographic treating it like it's a mission to on an overland trip which could be really funny to some people because they're putting themselves in that situation. Idk I can see both sides but I think a good majority or people aren't overlanding but really just fancy car camping.
I agree with everything you say. You do you and what makes you happy. That being said it is content creators that push the high end stuff are the problem. Call it what you want camping overlanding it makes no difference unless you are a content pushing high end snob. Nice video keeping it real not fake like most.
Last thing I’m worried about is people hating what I believe in, or do. As long as they keep hands off me and my stuff, they have a right to free speech. If they can’t do that, stand by.
I’m all about backpacking carrying all my gear for camping on my back exploring backpacking trails, do enjoy car camping as well. My truck helps me get to my destinations. Enjoy watching overland videos but see the hobby as very wasteful using a lot of fuel and damage to your vehicle. Does look like people are having a lot of fun.
ha ha BROVERLANDING . I even showed up to the dealer with my laminex light covers . i dont always drive on the road on perfectly clear nights . but when i do , i use my fog lamps . i rent out my tepui tent to REI employees so that i can buy more MODS . staring at my phone in the backcountry is my favorite thing to do . cool trucks regardless .
… I got told by zillion-dollar-Jeep build guys that I’ll never make it to the Eagle Lake Trains because my F-150 wasn’t “ built”… it’s not even four wheel drive! It was my fifth or sixth time going there, when we got there, there was an old Camry in the parking area…
Spending that kind of money is great if you have the money to be out that long. But your average weekend Joe doesn't need all of that to get away for a weekend. But, if you're able to I'm all for it. It will make the trip more enjoyable and if you're doing it alot then yes totally worth it.
I think this is a perception issue. My little shop, in California, is backed up with 5 months of overlanding builds. As far as I know, more people are getting into overland activities than ever. This is the first time I’ve ever heard this position. Anyways. Keep doing what you’ve doing.
I totally agree with your definition of overlanding and the difference to camping. I really love all the different types of rigs and the levels of them. I think that the hate for me , not really hate but just a bad taste in my wallet , comes from the overland TAX. I believe that in America we all have the greatest opportunity of making a living and the small companies that were born and flourished out of making products to make our experiences more comfortable. I think that there could be a bit more modesty in the pricing of most of the products. It’s great that people can produce products and it is awesome that even some can afford, but as for the havenots(me) I will still continue to build my own way in and still enjoy camping and exploring. Great video.
Most of the people I saw hated Overlanding because of all these overcharged accessories that Overlanders are buying and think they're cool, lol, and most of them are unnecessary really. I'm an accessory guy myself, but I only buy the necessary stuff at a reasonable price because I'm cheap, lol. I mostly do DIY on my rig, anyway.
thats the whole thing. gucci overlanding and an inflation in cost due to the popularity and stuff. I love me some nice things, but its insulting when you see the trendy folks going full SHTF to a regular campsite. I had a RTT, loved it. I sold it because i sold the tacoma. I am now working on my camping land rover discovery 2. I would get a RTT again though. You know how the internet is...have you seen the videos of these hip girls going glamping? literal mansion of a tent with 4 rooms all set up with queen size air mattresses and night stands and RUGS like. WHAT. hahaha. BTW, i diy everything as well.
@@minusmartin Haha I know what you mean about the girls going glamping and I always click on it cause their thumbnail is very inviting if you know what I mean hahaha.
The over the top stuff gets me due to the price, I just choose not to buy the stuff I think is priced to high and get whatever I can find on amazon for cheap lol
I know having gas cans for some weird reason are criticized by anti overlanders. However I’ve needed extra fuel countless times on the trail. The 2 door Jeeps have small gas tanks and bad mpg 😂
@AustinH7 all you have to do is head out into the Idaho Backcountry and you begin to understand why overlanding requires carrying a gas can or two.... fuel stops can get pretty sparse IF they are open or have any fuel to sell.
I think it has a lot to do with jealousy, longing for others life style ect. What ever you call it, it's not good and even the Bible warns against it. I think it is something we all struggle with if we are honest. I have to constantly remind myself what I want to to achieve with my build personally and not want the best of everything build. Need/ want if you will, long story short... I love this channel because I want to be simple and save a buck or two. I don't need 35s , just improved suspension for a 32, improved mpg, and recovery gear. Thanks for a great channel,👍👍
I'm glad you enjoy the channel! I personally have problems with comparing myself to others. I think social media plays a big role in the mental health issues people face today
I went full R tard. I got the fully loaded trd offroad, $6,000 snugtop, ARB onboard air, Warn bumper and winch. Waterport 8 gallon pressurized water. There are cheaper versions of everything that I did.
@philipking8426 I was just having this conversation with myself... getting ready to buy my offroad light controller. $300 auxbeam or $1000 SwitchPro? I have several components I'm my setup that had less expensive options. When I bought my house battery system... I looked at several different options but kept coming back to Redarc... which was the most expensive option.... After a year and a half of agonizing over the decision.... I pulled the trigger on the Redarc Rogue TVMS. It was a huge bite out of my budget... but I only felt that briefly. Now I have it, and it works flawlessly...I have zero regrets.
Hi, great video. You hit the nail on the head.. Live in the UK we have NO the national park BML and places like that ,the only exception is tScotland where wild camping is permit in location. so most of my camping is done in camp ground . There is a pecking order . Us low life how use a tent are at the at the bottom of the sh.t pile. Then there are there the camper van then the caravan and there motorhomers or RV as you call them in the USA . As a tent guy that all I can afford , but you are looked down by the rest . All so we will do the same thing CAMPING Just way to sleep.and. Cook . great video
Weighing in on this ourselves being a part of the industry.. I think what any "Anti-Overlanding" really is about, or should be is the "Poser-Overlanders". What do I mean? For context, I personally am an all around guy on the shop floor but my background is mainly 12volts. I come from the old school where and when car audio was at its peak due to a then at the time immense amount of disposable income. It wasn't to far out of the minds of people to spend 2500, 5000, or 25,000 dollars on an audio setup for a car. Ive built some systems for some prominent companies that are no longer around or been bought out to be shells of themselves but people have spent almost a 100k on a car setup. - and they don't even know how to change a fuse if the fuse blows. Sliding over to the "trend" of overlanding and I can tell you people buy brand name products to drive out to a spot that looks like dirt,especially here in Nevada, 35 mins in any direction you're out of the city easily, take some pics of their tricked out rig for the gram.. And... drive straight on pavement to Starbucks for some post editing and coffee after a long hard day of Overlnd-Cosplay. They drive to some key areas, might get the truck dirty driving through a puddle or something else cute,.. again for more pics to say they were there for the gram. THAT we can say is where the ha..t.. errr... "DISLIKE" should be directed to.
@12degnorth19 I'm going to respectfully disagree.... I'm all in favor of people doing what makes them happy. If a guy or gal has disposable income and they want to spend it on accessories for their rig that they never intend to take offroad.. who am I to tell them they can't. I honestly don't even care if they fake it....just means I won't be bumping into them on the trail... Im alright with that too.
@@LoveTribeOverland It's okay, to disagree.. But to clarify my argument, even if we're considering the objective stroke of "happiness" as the favored goal. My personal opinions would have me lean towards those who are more likely to be a part of an actual outdoor community, whether specific or one that branches out towards other particular adventure driven interests. As an Automotive enthusiast and Industry gear-head, I can appreciate 99% of any automotive community. My disdain comes from social media aspect and the amount of, "Attention" it requires or sucks from people as a Professional Time Wasting tool, or PTW for short.. Probably explains or reflects my choices of a small circle of friends.
It's not that people are hating overlanding...people are hating the rising prices of overlanding gear. Companies jump on the bandwagon and toss their product in the ring. Normally, competition will bring price competitiveness and prices would go down. However, prices continue to increase for each new product released. So, it's not overlanding itself folks are hating on. They are hating on the lifestyle that companies are trying to sell you. The main issue is that there are those overlanding channels that sell the lifestyle instead of just selling the adventure. That's what makes people angry. Companies and the vloggers that support them are trying to turn overlanding into the iphone and make everyone want to get it.
Isn't everything expensive? Though, shouldn't they hate the entire economy? It's become increasingly difficult to enjoy any hobbies due to the price of everything.
@@ModernDayViking For sure! I think the reason it's so frustrating is because the vloggers are selling you an ideal/lifestyle and they're tying the gear to it. You don't need the gear to get out there and explore and most AWD vehicles will get you off the beaten path. So I think people rage against the vloggers when they should be raging against the entire economic construct.
I think it looks cool and fun on the surface, but spending crazy money on all these gadgets that basically is still glorified car camping. When i was a kid we "overlanded" deep into the mountains in a nissan sentra and kmart tents lol. From a comfort, ease and cost perspective, a used pop up camper is money much better spent in my opinion.
I’ve been in this space for years, and other than the prices being over the top, no one has been “hating” on me or anyone I know. Sounds like you’re being a bit overly sensitive.
You do not need to follow trends at the sacrifice of who you are. That’s the problem with youtube. You could have made this video when Tyler first published his overlanding is a scam vid. Instead you backed him up which eventually forced me, an off-roader, to call you all out (Tyler, GX, you, automobros). If you want people to respect you, you need to stick to your beliefs whatever they are and avoid flip flopping because of a trend.
If you watched my scam video, nothing changed from that. Just attention grabbing title and thumbnail. I still believe you can do this in a Subaru Forester and I'll still tell people that so they don't need to spend a ton of money to experience it. I have never believed you need a built truck to overland. But I don't hate people that do.
@@ModernDayVikingI watched. “Overlanding is just car camping” and “this gear makes me look like a toolbag.” Am I wrong? I remember that kind of stuff from your video. My video called you guys out for that kind of stuff.
@@coloradomallcrawlers I highlighted the difference between car camping in this video. I watched car camping videos and compared them to my overland videos. There is a difference, that being said you could use the gear used in car camping, to overland. It overlaps more than it doesn't. As for the tool bag comment, I personally feel like a tool when I have all my gear mounted driving around to Walmart and the day to day stuff. But it's my only vehicle. If I had a different vehicle I wouldn't daily my overland rig lol
I give exactly zero shits what people think of overlanding. I do everything on the cheap, I drive a 2006 Dodge Dakota that cost 4200 bucks, and I've already done a bunch of awesome trips in it. I'm going to laugh at the clowns bashing overlanding as I drive by on my next adventure.
To everyone who hates "Overlanding": Go find different to make fun of and find a hobby. This crap is awesome! I do agree that you don't need to spend a million dollars to "overland". Especially on gear. Do it in the fashion you want to. Build yourself to be self-sustainable over a longer period of time. Plan a trip where you get to spend a night in a few different spots in beautiful, remote places. I've been overlanding for a couple decades. I hate that the overlanding brand is being taken over by van life folks. But Lets not focus on labels and focus on adventure and finding your new favorite spot!
I don’t really care what people do, but I certainly find it hilarious when I see someone commuting with 5klbs of expedition gear strapped to the outside of their rig.
So I live in a condo in Canada. But I want to be out every chance I get. Heck in nicer weather I camp overnight on work nights! And my truck is my commuter. Yes it does look comical to some. But it’s my hobby and I enjoy it. I don’t have the storage capacity, garage, or secondary vehicle to consider stripping everything off. I take most my bins out though. But the tent, bed rack, mounted hard case, and max tax are all hard mounted and stay there all year long.
You know what the real problem is? We have now created a whole generation or two that is always prompted to like or dislike everything they see or hear. I think we should remove the thumbs up and down buttons and add some check boxes, like, interested?, like, does this sound fun?, like, does this help, like, want to learn more. we've created a social atmosphere where the platform is complaining. Do what you like, everyone else can go F#*K themselves. I'm 70 now, i lived out of a backpack for 2 months on the crest trail in shoes back in the day, have climbed mountains and sailed oceans. I've traveled all over the west and used tents, trucks, cars horses and shoes, you folks are too wound up, do what you like, anyway gear is fun, I have a ton of it......peace
Overlanding is camping for suburban geardo's gone wild. Now, leaving pavement and hugging trees is awesome. How you do it is all up to you. But MY Gawd, you don't need all this crap "overlanding" says you need! Decent tires, food, water, maybe fuel, some vehicle that has some clearance but that depends where you are and where you want to go. Do you need a tent or roof tent at all? Maybe not. A fart sack on the ground sure works if there is no rain and little bugs. Maybe sleep in the back or the bed. I did a cot and fart sack next to the jeep for years... Before that... it was a fart sack and cot next to HMMWv in Army scout land. Do you NEED to have 1000 pounds of crap in the back of your rig??? That is my beef with "overlanding". Its not leaving pavement, its the idea you need ALL this crap which ironically means you use more fuel and now have potential less mobility in loose stuff and mud over the weight. Or just increased wear and tear on certain components if it's really rough stuff. But in the end, if its your ZEN F what the internet says. GO HAvE FUN. You can always take shit off the rig and sell it on facecult market place later.
It's them old gatekeepers that have the hate. And the every 1st one was against overlandbound guy. I get now why the guy hating. But his approach was wrong. People need to educate others on how go about out there. Too many people abuse nature. Specially when I see RUclipsrs throwing fireworks show in desert. Or people throwing paries with DJ . Crazy
Really its based on envy.. period Those haters are NO different, everyone likes things they enjoy; ie, owning attractive animals, fast cars, brand name X "whatever it is".. Because someone wants to spend $25k above and beyond the normal cost of a truck is simply their business.. some of those builds i like, some are gaudy, some seem stupid... I applaud ALL of them for building what THEY want.. Anti-Overlanders can suck it!
I don’t know. It looks like anti overlanding may have been unintentionally started from you and carry on by your supporters. Did you accidentally reveal that you used to insist that you don’t need overlanding gears and equipment to go to wherever. Why would you advise someone to be unprepared for the challenges that one may have to deal with along the way in the forest. Like telling a soldier that proper military gears, equipment, and weapons are not necessary to have when entering into the forest. There’s a reason why it is called overlanding gears and equipment because they are essential for overlanding remote journey. In fact, some overlanding gears that one must always have in the rig are bags and a shovel ? 😮😂 Anyway, I think beside the benefits of having overlanding gears, it is another way that we can identify ourselves and others on the highways.
You do you. But why you're wearing something made by a company who never apologized for firing people for (rightly) refusing to get vaxxed is beyond me.
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Let the haters hate. Live life on your terms. The older I get the less I care what people think and that is liberating.
I'm getting that old that I forget other people have an opinion let alone care what they are! Now THAT is liberation. Peace out bro.
Is it really hate or just amusement at over the top silliness and phrases used to impress couch potato coworkers?
But yea, opinions of others are just noise, especially the toxic ones on sm, and that is just my opinion 😂
@@davorocket2825 No one cares that you dont care.
@@Jay-me7gw 😂 you are probably right.
@@Jay-me7gw You cared enough to comment lol
I've been off-roading for over 40 years. If this is a trend, it's news to me. For those who hate it, the faster they get off the trails, the better. Leaves more room for those who wheel for the love of it. My dad got me into it. And I've passed it on to my son. And as long as he keeps doing it for the love, he should be passing it on to my grandkids.
Speaking strictly from my own experiences... the only Overland bashing I've seen comes from content creators chasing trends. I just choose to ignore it... people gotta pay their bills.
oh wow the truth!
Best comment I've seen on this thread! Out on the trails, you see people coming together and helping each other out, greeting each other and being polite. Most people are quite nice in person, especially when they are out doing the things they like to do and enjoying their hobbies.
If i'm spending a weekend in the woods.... i'm camping.
If i'm spending the week in the woods away from stores, fuel, ammenaties, etc and living fully sustained out of my vehicle while traversing various terrains to get to or find a destnation... I'm overlanding.
Most folks who dont do the second one have no idea what it's even about.
You need a sleeping bag, food and water along with a way to cook your food, that is it. Been dong what people called "overlanding" since I turned 16, I am 63 now. Lived out of my vehicle in Alaska for a year in 1980 trapping fur and prospecting gold. I have dreamed of the ultimate vehicle for living out of in the wilds since then. I built what I think is ideal for me and I spent roughly 100k on it. I use it, it is just over a year old and I have over 40k miles on it. It is a 23 Gladiator Rubicon, with an Alu Cab Canopy Camper...I hunt, fish and prospect all over out of it....already been to about 35 of our states in the past year fishing, hunting and camping. I do not care what anybody else thinks....my money, my life....
Where I see most hate is from broke pockets or weak hands. The reason is most of the time when someone has a high ticket item they get hate from people who can't afford it which fuels jealousy. I understand we all have a budget for most people but those who have deep pockets building these rigs shouldn't get hate on because they're in a better financial position. And for those with weak hands lack the skills or creativity to build their own equipment like a homemade slid in camper for an example. You know how many people build so impressive rigs from scratch. So you don't need to spend thousands if you can't. But that's where I see the hate, from broke pockets and soft hands individuals.
or, and hear me out, people get hate when they spend 100k on a truck w/accessories to drive 10 miles down a dirt road to camp for a night. The 'broke pockets' comment is right up that alley. "Overlanding" has become about the rigs, not the experience - at least online.
With the incoming apocalypse overlanding will simply become surviving away from the zombie hoards.
I was having this conversation with some friends the other day about this and everyone has different interests when it comes to camping. Someone will bash on our setups and how much we spend on gear, but will spend 3x the amount on a 25’ camper trailer or 30k on a SxS, or camera gear.
Everyone needs to find what makes the most sense for their individual needs. How we camp is not the same as how others camp. We just show what the options are.
Its so weird how "camping" can have some many different little clubs that all hate each other lol
This happens to everything in everything. Skaters calling others posers, street cars vs. track cars. Over built vehicles vs. “the purist”. People are always gonna talk shit. Do what you want buy what you want build what you want.
On a happy note I'm glad it is going down. Less people in the trails, prices hopefully will go down to normal levels. I'm one of those that think Americans took it to another level in good American fashion. I'm one of those who think Those stupid expos are just trade shows. None one needs classes to camp, those expos are just there to sell stuff and set up people to think they need 100k in equipment to go outdoors
the Overland Expo's have 100% turned into an off road oriented SEMA. customers get a lot more from the smaller, regional expo's.
Stash your hi lift, your shovel, axe, 5 gal gas can, water, recovery traction boards, etc... under your truck's bed cover. Only thing on the front are some amber LED fog lights in the factory location in the bumper. Tires are 10.5" wide, 34" tall. Good dampers (shocks). Slight suspension lift (under 2", the rest comes from a 33 - 35" tire). Tools, kinetic rope, soft shackles, snatch rings, tree straps, tow straps, chain, snow chains... all stashed where they're not seen. Stealth O-landin'. Cheers.
I think a lot of the hate comes from seeing these things driven locally, like a commuter car. People buy and build these overlanders and proceed to use them as status symbols.
If the vehicle is lucky it might go camping once a year, besides that it's a mall crawler with self made blind spots because people put molle panels over half the windows.
That's why I use a trailer. My truck has a kayak rack on it, but no other gear.
I am a tent camper. Oh, the hate I got from truck tents, lol. I dont really care though. Do whatever you like. RTTs dont work for everyone. Wait until you have to get up to pee a couple times a night, with bad knees. And its cold out. And you have a partner who ALSO has to do that. Then, a good, quality tent, maybe with a cot, sounds a lot more appealing!!!
Ultimately, we are going with a Bean trailer though. Thats our dream.
Right! the hate goes both ways from what iv seen. Its so weird how camping can have so many groups that hate on the other groups. Guess hate is just human nature lol
Me and the misses use a rubber uribag. They are built different for men and women. I'm sixty and need to get up to pee, but never leave the RTT.
For me ease of use is key. Got a cheap 2012 frontier, but an Alucab tent. It's strong as hell and can carry a canoe or a couple of mountainbikes with ease. We never stay in one place more than one night and I don't much like packing and unpacking stuff every day. Now setup is 1 minute, breakdown maybe 5, with tables, chairs and awning. Nearly everything for the rest is DIY and boxes. Truck is always ready and can leave home within 15 minutes.
You're actually using that stuff like its supposed to be.
The rest of the "overlanders" who take their lifted 4Runners TRD Pro's on 35's with MaxTrax and all that stuff, down the same road I tow my 24' Jayco travel trailer, and park for the weekend drinking IPA's don't.
"Wow people enjoying their lives and spending their own hard earn cash on hobbies really grinds my gears" -Every Hater
So true.
I like your honesty. Subbed.
I went straight to LT315/70R17, aka 35 inch tires right off the get go. For me on my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon, the suspension was set for it, but a year later I regeared to 5:13 so my speedometer, and transmission shift poits were close to factory. Going bigger takes cash, and it takes suspension modification. If you are ready, then the skies the limit. It will open up trails that were hard to drive without. I went the regearing, then stubby bumper, 12K winch, then a-pillar and bumper driving lights. It gets dark in the back country when the sun goes down. I already have a great North Face 4 season tent, and found a high warm winter bag, and a high Rvalue air mattress.
Careful, you may become what you fight.
The more times I've opted to buy aftermarket components the more I've wished I just left things OEM with a few exceptions (like an aftermarket steel bumper and winch). OEM's spent a ton on engineering and R&D to build things the way they did and I'm definitely a soft roader...I've never been on a FS road and felt like I needed more capability out of my vehicle to get me where I'm wanting to go. I can spend money and time building a rig out, or I can spend money and time building experience. I've only got two weeks vacation and live 6 hours from any NF so in my situation it makes sense to spend my money and time building experience. Also I feel it's important to focus on proper maintenance before you start spending money on build outs. I've seen plenty of stranded built up vehicles on a trail because of something maintenance related like a ball joint, cv joint or u-joint that finally failed.
you realize how much you actually ruin a vehicle's driving dynamics once you drive a stock version of your vehicle.
The problem with overlanding is the social media influencer has destroyed what they helped to created years ago . They push so much hi -end stuff now the cost of entry is thought to be so high that it’s impossible for most people to afford and it is simply not that way at all . I’ll go out with any one any time but I know a lot of people in the community that have all these crazy criteria of what your build has to be to roll with them on the trail . This stuff is killing the hobby/sport and I think that’s where most of the hate comes from .
I'm not a camping kind of guy but I've been looking at overlanding rigs for ideas on making my f350 into more of a cross country driver, always interesting to see how people modify their vehicles to suit their needs/ hobbies
You always find out what you need when you do go camping or overlanding, I see my rig as an extension of myself like a bag Pack… what I don’t like is people telling me what I need when they drive a freaken sedan
As someone who is running 35’s here is what I recommend….keep it light! Pay attention to the tire and wheel combo and keep it as light as it is reasonable for your rig. The added weight is very noticeable. Also please reinforce your lower control arm pivots, carry extra axles and tie rods…..and send it I love the 35’s!😂
I think you should go with 255/85R16 or 255/80R17 to keep 33” tires but go to a pizza cutter size. Your traction and mpg will go up, sand flotation will go down. Only problem is the 16” diameter are harder to find.
Just stumbled upon this video.. and I like you and your thoughts on this. We just did a month long overland trip from Massachusetts to the Arctic Circle in Alaska. We’ve done a few month long adventures and that’s just what it is.. adventure and exploration.. everything from those must see things like the redwoods and Grand Canyon to the totally unknown things we find along the way. All of it is part of the journey and it makes for some wonderful experiences and memories. My partners xterra is mildly built all built by her. Unfortunately that’s another thing that we run across frequently, people assume that it’s my rig and I politely and quickly let them know it’s her rig built by her.
Since the 1970's I've been 4 wheeling, off-roading. Going to the back county, back woods, boondocks, boonies, sticks, woods camping. Never once have I heard the word "overlanding" be used until recent times. Really, what does it mean anyway? A nearly stock capable vehicle for off road trails, canvas tent, white gas Coleman stove, a few blankets for sleeping, really basic stuff is all you need to have a fantastic, wonderful, good time. Forget the glamping crap and just go and have a great time.
The method I go by now when it comes to overlanding is a "problem-solving" method. I only buy gear if I need it to solve a problem, not just because it is nice to have.
I’ve notice more and more negativity lately.
I started a couple years ago and I kept hearing “you need this!” or you suck.
Now I hear “if you have this…” you suck.
I just build for myself and stay solo. I have name brands and I have off brands made in China.
I enjoy my gear and I bought them for myself and my family.
Love your videos and your honesty, brother.
With the tires, 33s are more fuel efficient, but let's be honest, how much more, especially after all the mods? Go for the 35s. It will look a whole lot cooler
Spending 100,000 on a truck regardless... let alone doing the work yourself on the vehicle (which is a great learning experience) for lots of "good" reasons is over kill. Having the tools of the trade and being prepared to what you are going out to do either "solo" or with a group is smart. Shop around and buy used. Internet has so many free and cheap ways to do something it's almost endless. So go out there and just have a good time and share the knowledge, be safe & just have a damn good time. PS thanks for posting this video, new to the channel so I followed, thanks sir.
If you got the money for “overlanding” stuff then go for it. But if you just have an AWD vehicle you can still go more places than most mall crawlers go. All you gotta do is find a place to park, fold down the back seats, blow up an air mattress and pull out some blankets or a sleeping bag. Which is what I do and will probably always do. I just can’t afford a tricked out Taco. And when I get the money for something like that I’ll probably get a fourwheeler so I can really get out in the back country. Trucks are just too big for most trails and really destroy the landscape. If you’ve got a network of true overlanding trails around you that’s great. But that just doesn’t exist in Alaska.
Something like a Suzuki Samurai/Jimny would be ideal for the tight bush like that. BC is very similar to Alaska with super tight, twisty mountain trails, and I went some insane places with a 1999 Honda CR-V with a 2" lift and "big" tires (big for the tiny vehicle). It was an absolute weapon for that kind of terrain. Just some options for you to consider.
When i'm on a freeway and I see someone with their daily driver overland set up with recovery boards, hijack, tent, and fuel cans.
It's just seems like they want attention and to show everyone that "I'm outdoorzi".
Haha it's my only vehicle 🤣
Same. If I had the money, I would have a dedicated adventure vehicle (a jeep or similar SUV style vehicle) and a "farm truck" but as it stands, my truck has to be both a workhorse and an adventure platform. It basically does everything, and my build out is set up the way it is because of that reality.
this is why i bought a mazda 3 for a daily. it was more for not getting 12 mpg every day but this also.
Light bars before lockers… my thought process has been only take it out when going wheeling. Gas spoils quick, tents cover will break down, etc.
Build something that fits your needs and that's in your budget. Go out and enjoy time outdoors and nature with whatever rig you have.
A lot of good points. Expectations versus confusing labels contribute to the recent reversal or return to mean. Terms like soft-roading or rock crawling vehicles are on the branches of the camping tree as well. Demographics of 1 - 2-week excursions versus normal weekend excursions also adds the lash back. We all need to learn what works for us, within our means and not to sweat the small stuff. Choose which label works for you or ignore the labels and have fun anyway. Growing up in a rural area with many dirt/gravel roads, the term off-roading or soft-roading didn't exist as they were the roads you drove every day and occasionally some had pavement. Most all of those dirt/gravel roads have since been paved.
I thought about a RTT but realized I didnt want to carry my dogs up and down the ladder
We as humans feel the need to be better than the other.
Seems to me that the word overlanding is a word that gives people certain status in the campaign community.
I drove thousands of miles this year and tried to camp in remote places. I found happy people everywhere.
No labels, just happy campers.
Remove the label and all of us find ourselves in the same situation. Parked in the middle of nature cooking, eating, sleeping and 💩ing.
No labels, no problem.
i have 2 years till i retire and i have slowly been building my jeep to do said overlanding for at least the first year of retirement, can't wait
I just gotta jump in here and say that if you are actualy touring with one of these setups, the price of the tent 100% makes a huge huge difference.
If you are just going out for a few days in fair weather, then I'd say no you don't need to spend big bucks on the sleep system.
But if you are touring long term, just get the good tent! Longevity, ease and comfort are the name of the game for the real "overlander"
I just switched to a hardshell wedge style tents and man it is such a difference. I wish I had this when I was full time traveling out of my truck
you buy convenience with setup and tear down from what i've seen in the RTT world.
Good, I hope everyone stays away. Less trash and problems out on the roads and trails. If they are just keeping up with trends, it's best for them to watch videos from the comfort of their couch.
I would say it always pays to be cautious when making big purchases. Try with what you have and then decide for yourself what you need and don't. Start with cheaper options and upgrade if you want better quality or convenience.
No matter how much you choose to spend, spending it on things you enjoy is absolutely investment in your happiness. Other people’s opinions shouldn’t be weighed on how that money is spent.
Oh 100% I’ve been thinking this since a while ago but never thought it would become a popular idea. I used to have a built up Jeep JK with the whole thing the tent the gas tanks the big tires etc, now I have a nice Offroad popup trailer and everything packed into boxes that I enjoy far more towing with my 5th gen 4runner that is stock besides some grippy tires
The issue isn't overlanding itself, it is the "industry" taking advantage of people with too much money and too little sense. The hobby has become, seemingly, more about the gear than the actual experiences.
Never understood why people get so upset about things that have absolutely ZERO impact on their lives. I am glad the snowflakes get triggered over Overlanding rigs lol. Keep making them mad.
I was wondering where that trend was coming from. Didn't know content creators just follow the money. Thanks for the video.
Enjoyed your video thanks for posting 👍
Maybe things are different here in Australia or perhaps I don't interact with the people who would dislike what it is we do but yeah I don't get much hate apart from the friendly competition with the Nissan drivers and the Toyota Tax comments. Or perhaps I'm just old and deaf that I don't hear it. Either way fuck em, they don't know what they're missing out on. A day spent on that road less travelled is a bloody good day if ya ask me.
I love camping. And love my Tacoma. So I fused the 2 🤷🏻♂️ currently trying to build a RUclips channel behind the idea.
Well said!
Well said! I low-key stopped posting so much of my camping videos cause of that "hate" lol Trying to share my camping experience turns into "look at this fauxvoerlander" or "he built his truck for this?" so now I camp and don't post about it...as much. Youre right though just miserable people online. Great video and a topic that will be talked about more often!
Aw man you should not let the comments stop you from making any videos. Heck if I listened to them I would have stopped posting a long time ago lol
Do your thing and don't even read the comments. There's trolls, but then there are others who enjoy seeing people have fun and may adopt some of your ideas. If we were all the same it would be very boring.
Hey maybe the less people are buying the overland accessories the cheaper the prices. On that note it won't change what I want to do.
By the way your truck build is awesome! Carry on.
I think that the first thing to acknowledge is that it's an expensive hobby. With that you'll get a certain demographic treating it like it's a mission to on an overland trip which could be really funny to some people because they're putting themselves in that situation. Idk I can see both sides but I think a good majority or people aren't overlanding but really just fancy car camping.
I’m so confused. So, you’re not anti-overlanding and just got on the bandwagon for clicks? What’s with that overlanding rig behind you?
Correct, I am not anit overlanding. I am pro overlanding, that is why I own a overland rig. This video is discussing the anti overland trend.
My outback dose just fine. I some gear but no lift, lights and winch
I agree with everything you say. You do you and what makes you happy. That being said it is content creators that push the high end stuff are the problem. Call it what you want camping overlanding it makes no difference unless you are a content pushing high end snob. Nice video keeping it real not fake like most.
Last thing I’m worried about is people hating what I believe in, or do. As long as they keep hands off me and my stuff, they have a right to free speech. If they can’t do that, stand by.
I’m all about backpacking carrying all my gear for camping on my back exploring backpacking trails, do enjoy car camping as well. My truck helps me get to my destinations. Enjoy watching overland videos but see the hobby as very wasteful using a lot of fuel and damage to your vehicle. Does look like people are having a lot of fun.
ha ha BROVERLANDING . I even showed up to the dealer with my laminex light covers . i dont always drive on the road on perfectly clear nights . but when i do , i use my fog lamps .
i rent out my tepui tent to REI employees so that i can buy more MODS . staring at my phone in the backcountry is my favorite thing to do . cool trucks regardless .
… I got told by zillion-dollar-Jeep build guys that I’ll never make it to the Eagle Lake Trains because my F-150 wasn’t “ built”… it’s not even four wheel drive! It was my fifth or sixth time going there, when we got there, there was an old Camry in the parking area…
When someone be hate-n thats because they ain't-n
Spending that kind of money is great if you have the money to be out that long. But your average weekend Joe doesn't need all of that to get away for a weekend. But, if you're able to I'm all for it. It will make the trip more enjoyable and if you're doing it alot then yes totally worth it.
I think this is a perception issue. My little shop, in California, is backed up with 5 months of overlanding builds. As far as I know, more people are getting into overland activities than ever. This is the first time I’ve ever heard this position. Anyways. Keep doing what you’ve doing.
I totally agree with your definition of overlanding and the difference to camping. I really love all the different types of rigs and the levels of them. I think that the hate for me , not really hate but just a bad taste in my wallet , comes from the overland TAX. I believe that in America we all have the greatest opportunity of making a living and the small companies that were born and flourished out of making products to make our experiences more comfortable. I think that there could be a bit more modesty in the pricing of most of the products. It’s great that people can produce products and it is awesome that even some can afford, but as for the havenots(me) I will still continue to build my own way in and still enjoy camping and exploring.
Great video.
If the vehicle is suitable for your needs, you’ll be fine.
Most of the people I saw hated Overlanding because of all these overcharged accessories that Overlanders are buying and think they're cool, lol, and most of them are unnecessary really. I'm an accessory guy myself, but I only buy the necessary stuff at a reasonable price because I'm cheap, lol. I mostly do DIY on my rig, anyway.
thats the whole thing. gucci overlanding and an inflation in cost due to the popularity and stuff.
I love me some nice things, but its insulting when you see the trendy folks going full SHTF to a regular campsite. I had a RTT, loved it. I sold it because i sold the tacoma. I am now working on my camping land rover discovery 2. I would get a RTT again though. You know how the internet is...have you seen the videos of these hip girls going glamping? literal mansion of a tent with 4 rooms all set up with queen size air mattresses and night stands and RUGS like. WHAT. hahaha. BTW, i diy everything as well.
@@minusmartin Haha I know what you mean about the girls going glamping and I always click on it cause their thumbnail is very inviting if you know what I mean hahaha.
The over the top stuff gets me due to the price, I just choose not to buy the stuff I think is priced to high and get whatever I can find on amazon for cheap lol
Who really cares though? If they have the money to afford it, so what? lol
I know having gas cans for some weird reason are criticized by anti overlanders. However I’ve needed extra fuel countless times on the trail. The 2 door Jeeps have small gas tanks and bad mpg 😂
@AustinH7 all you have to do is head out into the Idaho Backcountry and you begin to understand why overlanding requires carrying a gas can or two.... fuel stops can get pretty sparse IF they are open or have any fuel to sell.
I think it has a lot to do with jealousy, longing for others life style ect. What ever you call it, it's not good and even the Bible warns against it. I think it is something we all struggle with if we are honest. I have to constantly remind myself what I want to to achieve with my build personally and not want the best of everything build. Need/ want if you will, long story short... I love this channel because I want to be simple and save a buck or two. I don't need 35s , just improved suspension for a 32, improved mpg, and recovery gear. Thanks for a great channel,👍👍
I'm glad you enjoy the channel! I personally have problems with comparing myself to others. I think social media plays a big role in the mental health issues people face today
I went full R tard. I got the fully loaded trd offroad, $6,000 snugtop, ARB onboard air, Warn bumper and winch. Waterport 8 gallon pressurized water. There are cheaper versions of everything that I did.
All of that to barely ever drive into the woods
@philipking8426 I was just having this conversation with myself... getting ready to buy my offroad light controller. $300 auxbeam or $1000 SwitchPro?
I have several components I'm my setup that had less expensive options. When I bought my house battery system... I looked at several different options but kept coming back to Redarc... which was the most expensive option.... After a year and a half of agonizing over the decision.... I pulled the trigger on the Redarc Rogue TVMS. It was a huge bite out of my budget... but I only felt that briefly. Now I have it, and it works flawlessly...I have zero regrets.
i'm OK with the Overland trend, I just hate Tacomas with all the decorations on them. I like seeing Raptors Land Cruisers TRXs etc.
Hi, great video. You hit the nail on the head.. Live in the UK we have NO the national park BML and places like that ,the only exception is tScotland where wild camping is permit in location. so most of my camping is done in camp ground . There is a pecking order . Us low life how use a tent are at the at the bottom of the sh.t pile. Then there are there the camper van then the caravan and there motorhomers or RV as you call them in the USA . As a tent guy that all I can afford , but you are looked down by the rest . All so we will do the same thing CAMPING Just way to sleep.and. Cook . great video
Weighing in on this ourselves being a part of the industry.. I think what any "Anti-Overlanding" really is about, or should be is the "Poser-Overlanders". What do I mean?
For context, I personally am an all around guy on the shop floor but my background is mainly 12volts. I come from the old school where and when car audio was at its peak due to a then at the time immense amount of disposable income. It wasn't to far out of the minds of people to spend 2500, 5000, or 25,000 dollars on an audio setup for a car.
Ive built some systems for some prominent companies that are no longer around or been bought out to be shells of themselves but people have spent almost a 100k on a car setup. - and they don't even know how to change a fuse if the fuse blows.
Sliding over to the "trend" of overlanding and I can tell you people buy brand name products to drive out to a spot that looks like dirt,especially here in Nevada, 35 mins in any direction you're out of the city easily, take some pics of their tricked out rig for the gram..
And... drive straight on pavement to Starbucks for some post editing and coffee after a long hard day of Overlnd-Cosplay. They drive to some key areas, might get the truck dirty driving through a puddle or something else cute,.. again for more pics to say they were there for the gram.
THAT we can say is where the ha..t.. errr... "DISLIKE" should be directed to.
@12degnorth19 I'm going to respectfully disagree.... I'm all in favor of people doing what makes them happy. If a guy or gal has disposable income and they want to spend it on accessories for their rig that they never intend to take offroad.. who am I to tell them they can't.
I honestly don't even care if they fake it....just means I won't be bumping into them on the trail... Im alright with that too.
@@LoveTribeOverland It's okay, to disagree..
But to clarify my argument, even if we're considering the objective stroke of "happiness" as the favored goal. My personal opinions would have me lean towards those who are more likely to be a part of an actual outdoor community, whether specific or one that branches out towards other particular adventure driven interests.
As an Automotive enthusiast and Industry gear-head, I can appreciate 99% of any automotive community. My disdain comes from social media aspect and the amount of, "Attention" it requires or sucks from people as a Professional Time Wasting tool, or PTW for short..
Probably explains or reflects my choices of a small circle of friends.
Great video as always ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good Job Proud of you keep up the good work
Thank you!
It's not that people are hating overlanding...people are hating the rising prices of overlanding gear. Companies jump on the bandwagon and toss their product in the ring. Normally, competition will bring price competitiveness and prices would go down. However, prices continue to increase for each new product released. So, it's not overlanding itself folks are hating on. They are hating on the lifestyle that companies are trying to sell you.
The main issue is that there are those overlanding channels that sell the lifestyle instead of just selling the adventure. That's what makes people angry. Companies and the vloggers that support them are trying to turn overlanding into the iphone and make everyone want to get it.
Isn't everything expensive? Though, shouldn't they hate the entire economy? It's become increasingly difficult to enjoy any hobbies due to the price of everything.
@@ModernDayViking For sure! I think the reason it's so frustrating is because the vloggers are selling you an ideal/lifestyle and they're tying the gear to it. You don't need the gear to get out there and explore and most AWD vehicles will get you off the beaten path. So I think people rage against the vloggers when they should be raging against the entire economic construct.
I think it looks cool and fun on the surface, but spending crazy money on all these gadgets that basically is still glorified car camping. When i was a kid we "overlanded" deep into the mountains in a nissan sentra and kmart tents lol. From a comfort, ease and cost perspective, a used pop up camper is money much better spent in my opinion.
I’ve been in this space for years, and other than the prices being over the top, no one has been “hating” on me or anyone I know. Sounds like you’re being a bit overly sensitive.
You do not need to follow trends at the sacrifice of who you are. That’s the problem with youtube. You could have made this video when Tyler first published his overlanding is a scam vid. Instead you backed him up which eventually forced me, an off-roader, to call you all out (Tyler, GX, you, automobros). If you want people to respect you, you need to stick to your beliefs whatever they are and avoid flip flopping because of a trend.
If you watched my scam video, nothing changed from that. Just attention grabbing title and thumbnail. I still believe you can do this in a Subaru Forester and I'll still tell people that so they don't need to spend a ton of money to experience it. I have never believed you need a built truck to overland. But I don't hate people that do.
@@ModernDayVikingI watched. “Overlanding is just car camping” and “this gear makes me look like a toolbag.” Am I wrong? I remember that kind of stuff from your video. My video called you guys out for that kind of stuff.
@@coloradomallcrawlers I highlighted the difference between car camping in this video. I watched car camping videos and compared them to my overland videos. There is a difference, that being said you could use the gear used in car camping, to overland. It overlaps more than it doesn't. As for the tool bag comment, I personally feel like a tool when I have all my gear mounted driving around to Walmart and the day to day stuff. But it's my only vehicle. If I had a different vehicle I wouldn't daily my overland rig lol
keep the level headed way of thinking man!
In the early years of automobiles, manufactures embraced the term in the vehicle name. Look at the Willys Overlander, ran for years
I give exactly zero shits what people think of overlanding. I do everything on the cheap, I drive a 2006 Dodge Dakota that cost 4200 bucks, and I've already done a bunch of awesome trips in it. I'm going to laugh at the clowns bashing overlanding as I drive by on my next adventure.
To everyone who hates "Overlanding": Go find different to make fun of and find a hobby. This crap is awesome! I do agree that you don't need to spend a million dollars to "overland". Especially on gear. Do it in the fashion you want to. Build yourself to be self-sustainable over a longer period of time. Plan a trip where you get to spend a night in a few different spots in beautiful, remote places.
I've been overlanding for a couple decades. I hate that the overlanding brand is being taken over by van life folks. But Lets not focus on labels and focus on adventure and finding your new favorite spot!
If it makes you happy, do it. F*ck what other people think.
Don’t need it but want. I love my built out Tacoma.
Perfectly said. 🤙🏽
The only people bashing over landing are the ones who play video games in the basement all day long.I have nothing else to do.
I don’t really care what people do, but I certainly find it hilarious when I see someone commuting with 5klbs of expedition gear strapped to the outside of their rig.
So I live in a condo in Canada. But I want to be out every chance I get. Heck in nicer weather I camp overnight on work nights! And my truck is my commuter. Yes it does look comical to some. But it’s my hobby and I enjoy it. I don’t have the storage capacity, garage, or secondary vehicle to consider stripping everything off. I take most my bins out though. But the tent, bed rack, mounted hard case, and max tax are all hard mounted and stay there all year long.
Not a hater but i am jelly. I wish i could afford to just go camping/overlanding for a week
You know what the real problem is? We have now created a whole generation or two that is always prompted to like or dislike everything they see or hear. I think we should remove the thumbs up and down buttons and add some check boxes, like, interested?, like, does this sound fun?, like, does this help, like, want to learn more. we've created a social atmosphere where the platform is complaining. Do what you like, everyone else can go F#*K themselves. I'm 70 now, i lived out of a backpack for 2 months on the crest trail in shoes back in the day, have climbed mountains and sailed oceans. I've traveled all over the west and used tents, trucks, cars horses and shoes, you folks are too wound up, do what you like, anyway gear is fun, I have a ton of it......peace
Overlanding is camping for suburban geardo's gone wild. Now, leaving pavement and hugging trees is awesome. How you do it is all up to you. But MY Gawd, you don't need all this crap "overlanding" says you need! Decent tires, food, water, maybe fuel, some vehicle that has some clearance but that depends where you are and where you want to go. Do you need a tent or roof tent at all? Maybe not. A fart sack on the ground sure works if there is no rain and little bugs. Maybe sleep in the back or the bed. I did a cot and fart sack next to the jeep for years... Before that... it was a fart sack and cot next to HMMWv in Army scout land. Do you NEED to have 1000 pounds of crap in the back of your rig??? That is my beef with "overlanding". Its not leaving pavement, its the idea you need ALL this crap which ironically means you use more fuel and now have potential less mobility in loose stuff and mud over the weight. Or just increased wear and tear on certain components if it's really rough stuff. But in the end, if its your ZEN F what the internet says. GO HAvE FUN. You can always take shit off the rig and sell it on facecult market place later.
Eh just do whatever makes you happy. Buy whatever makes you happy
Yes, jealousy and haters are a horrible thing, and they seem to be coming an epidemic.If we only had a vaccination for THEM!!
It's them old gatekeepers that have the hate. And the every 1st one was against overlandbound guy. I get now why the guy hating. But his approach was wrong. People need to educate others on how go about out there. Too many people abuse nature. Specially when I see RUclipsrs throwing fireworks show in desert. Or people throwing paries with DJ . Crazy
Really its based on envy.. period
Those haters are NO different, everyone likes things they enjoy; ie, owning attractive animals, fast cars, brand name X "whatever it is"..
Because someone wants to spend $25k above and beyond the normal cost of a truck is simply their business.. some of those builds i like, some are gaudy, some seem stupid... I applaud ALL of them for building what THEY want..
Anti-Overlanders can suck it!
Na , we are tired of snobs pushing 100k rigs in our face .
I don’t know. It looks like anti overlanding may have been unintentionally started from you and carry on by your supporters. Did you accidentally reveal that you used to insist that you don’t need overlanding gears and equipment to go to wherever. Why would you advise someone to be unprepared for the challenges that one may have to deal with along the way in the forest. Like telling a soldier that proper military gears, equipment, and weapons are not necessary to have when entering into the forest. There’s a reason why it is called overlanding gears and equipment because they are essential for overlanding remote journey. In fact, some overlanding gears that one must always have in the rig are bags and a shovel ? 😮😂 Anyway, I think beside the benefits of having overlanding gears, it is another way that we can identify ourselves and others on the highways.
You do you. But why you're wearing something made by a company who never apologized for firing people for (rightly) refusing to get vaxxed is beyond me.
There are to many keyboard warriors out there
Who lied to you my guy?