Summary of discussion, some things to think about that weren't in the video! - Doing daily threshold runs CAN burn you out the same way as goals if you set thresholds that are too high. - A flaw with daily thresholds is that they don't take into account your day to day performance (some days are just bad! what if I can't hit my threshold?). Thresholds are intended to give a measure for your level of focus/effort that you're putting in your practice-- the ideal is to be able to know your own brain and hands well enough that you just know the proper amount to put in without getting burnt out. Lots more of practice theory to think about though! probably beyond the scope of this video. - Following the above, you shouldn't chain yourself to your routine, and be ok with having a few bad days. Falling off the wagon is bad of course, but falling off and never getting back on is worse. Make sure to re-evaluate every so often and ensure that you're not doing anything unhealthy or misaligned with your actual goals. - Overall though, people who have practiced in this way think it's a solid method :)
Fun and intentional improvement aren't mutually exclusive! But having fun with it is definitely better than not. This video assumes that our goal is simply to get better at tetris (I think I say so in the video) but I encourage everyone to actually think about what they want out of this game. I think taking some focus away from goals that are influenced by factors we can't control (how good other people are) personally made the game more fun for me, and is something I talk about in the video.
There's a lot of research on expert performance in various fields and practice routines used by those experts (Peak by Ericsson is a decent intro). One pretty consistent fact is that for the most part they don't consider their practice to be fun. You can certainly improve while having fun but usually that's not the most efficient/quickest way of going about it, although it might well work out better for a lot of people who would otherwise burn out.
I've struggled a lot in the past with grinding singleplayer because I would set inappropriate thresholds. Some thresholds were too difficult per day, like sub 26 second sprint per day was difficult for me for a while, which led to me stopping grinding for a few weeks. Other thresholds were too easy, so I'd often get the threshold within 20 minutes per day, and that would lead to not enough time grinding per day. Recently, like a month ago, I've started being pretty careful to set goals that are right at the edge of my current ability per day, so I'm pretty much guaranteed to spend hours per day playing. It can be pretty stressful getting later on in the day and not reaching the goal however, since I spilt my tetris time to last throughout the day, but I haven't really had a day that I couldn't achieve my sprint, ultra, and cheese goals (for cheese, I grind time) of the day, even if they were achieved at 10 pm in the night. The way how I've set my threshold per day is that if I've gotten a higher score like 4-5 days in a row, I would set my new threshold to that score. For example, I lowered my cheese threshold from sub 1:50 to sub 1:45 per day yesterday because I've gotten at least 1 sub 1:45 per day for a bunch of days now. Does take a good bit of grinding to get those scores per day though, and I'm not sure what would happen if life work ramps up yet. Anyways, the reason I've set up my goals like this is that I want to be able to maintain a baseline level of efficiency while being able to grind speed effectively, which I find versus is much worse at doing than single player modes. Higher scores in ultra and lower times in cheese inherently require higher pps, and that's something I find very valuable. I'll see if my speed really does increase as I continue practicing this way for the coming months. Leonid's method is interesting but it probably won't do much for me since I already spam runs so often. Sometimes I look at my leaderboard and get surprised at how low my top 200s are because of my heavy singleplayer grinding habits. Then again, I'm probably the person who needs the least help grinding singleplayer, which is the complete opposite of this video's demographic lol. Maybe Leonid's method is much more useful to others.
Yeah, I think one thing I didn't mention in the video (because I thought it would be more uncommon) is that it actually is possible to burn out on routines. I think the threshold being an absolute number also doesn't really take into account variance in performance on a given day, which is something Kaiyon (who apparently has been doing this kind of practice for a while!) brought up to me. I think it's best to err towards lower thresholds than higher, as the main benefit of routine is consistency-- a week of a more difficult routine before falling off because of a few bad days in a row is not going to be better than a routine that you can stick to for like a year. I guess what I'm trying to say is that level of "uncomfortable" is going to be different everyday, and I don't think what I've presented here captures that fully. Arguably, the best way is to just have an intuitive feel for what "uncomfortable" is, but it's always just hard to be honest with yourself, so we use this because numbers don't lie lmao
Recently I have been going for a pb in ultra but my main focus has been just getting more 80k runs. While not nearly as realistic of a goal as what you talked about I think its really cool to see this video cause of that. Definitely going to set some goals that are a bit lower cause of what you've talked about. thinking maybe all top 200 60k+ ? will have to see where I actually am at now. I get the caveats you talked about but I think that plateau is aways away this mentality will get me feeling good. awesome video as always !
Yeah, I feel like people tend to overshoot their goals more often than undershoot, which often just causes people to fall of the wagon with keeping up consistent practice. Being realistic with what you can keep up with everyday is good! You could probably like zoop up the 80k goal withe yhe smart goal tm stuff but it’s kind of whatever lmao as long as you don’t reset super often and are building awareness it’s probably fine
Honestly, I don't think there's a "best routine," but here goes, for singleplayer modes: before S: all that matters is stacking, so just practice eternal exercise (40L sprint only tetrises, I also a have a usermode that you can probably find somewhere) After S: offense: ultra (there's not really a better option) defense: I have a whole video on this, but probably just cheese or apm survival cycle that you're comfortable with. Just pick one and stick with it. the lines are probably fuzzier than this, so idk lol remember that this is singleplayer only, and it's important that you supplement these with VS (especially after S, honestly it's not really that important at lower levels where all that matters is getting basic stacking decent) It's more important that you stick to a routine and it's fun to do than feeling like the routine is "optimal" (unless that's your idea of fun, in which case go ahead). You don't need to do every exercise everyday, and it can be good to just spend some periods focusing specifically on one exercise. It'll never hurt to practice anything as long as you're not a tippy top player, that's just the kind of game multiplayer tetris is. (to anyone reading, don't take this as gospel. if you feel like it's not working, change it. this is super general and I didn't go a lot into context) This is a topic that I might go into in a later video, so not gonna put all my opinions out here quite yet. Thanks for the question!
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Summary of discussion, some things to think about that weren't in the video!
- Doing daily threshold runs CAN burn you out the same way as goals if you set thresholds that are too high.
- A flaw with daily thresholds is that they don't take into account your day to day performance (some days are just bad! what if I can't hit my threshold?). Thresholds are intended to give a measure for your level of focus/effort that you're putting in your practice-- the ideal is to be able to know your own brain and hands well enough that you just know the proper amount to put in without getting burnt out. Lots more of practice theory to think about though! probably beyond the scope of this video.
- Following the above, you shouldn't chain yourself to your routine, and be ok with having a few bad days. Falling off the wagon is bad of course, but falling off and never getting back on is worse. Make sure to re-evaluate every so often and ensure that you're not doing anything unhealthy or misaligned with your actual goals.
- Overall though, people who have practiced in this way think it's a solid method :)
The best way to improve is to have fun while playing. It will make you play just for fun and you'll get good by accident
Fun and intentional improvement aren't mutually exclusive! But having fun with it is definitely better than not. This video assumes that our goal is simply to get better at tetris (I think I say so in the video) but I encourage everyone to actually think about what they want out of this game. I think taking some focus away from goals that are influenced by factors we can't control (how good other people are) personally made the game more fun for me, and is something I talk about in the video.
There's a lot of research on expert performance in various fields and practice routines used by those experts (Peak by Ericsson is a decent intro). One pretty consistent fact is that for the most part they don't consider their practice to be fun.
You can certainly improve while having fun but usually that's not the most efficient/quickest way of going about it, although it might well work out better for a lot of people who would otherwise burn out.
I've struggled a lot in the past with grinding singleplayer because I would set inappropriate thresholds. Some thresholds were too difficult per day, like sub 26 second sprint per day was difficult for me for a while, which led to me stopping grinding for a few weeks. Other thresholds were too easy, so I'd often get the threshold within 20 minutes per day, and that would lead to not enough time grinding per day.
Recently, like a month ago, I've started being pretty careful to set goals that are right at the edge of my current ability per day, so I'm pretty much guaranteed to spend hours per day playing. It can be pretty stressful getting later on in the day and not reaching the goal however, since I spilt my tetris time to last throughout the day, but I haven't really had a day that I couldn't achieve my sprint, ultra, and cheese goals (for cheese, I grind time) of the day, even if they were achieved at 10 pm in the night.
The way how I've set my threshold per day is that if I've gotten a higher score like 4-5 days in a row, I would set my new threshold to that score. For example, I lowered my cheese threshold from sub 1:50 to sub 1:45 per day yesterday because I've gotten at least 1 sub 1:45 per day for a bunch of days now. Does take a good bit of grinding to get those scores per day though, and I'm not sure what would happen if life work ramps up yet.
Anyways, the reason I've set up my goals like this is that I want to be able to maintain a baseline level of efficiency while being able to grind speed effectively, which I find versus is much worse at doing than single player modes. Higher scores in ultra and lower times in cheese inherently require higher pps, and that's something I find very valuable. I'll see if my speed really does increase as I continue practicing this way for the coming months.
Leonid's method is interesting but it probably won't do much for me since I already spam runs so often. Sometimes I look at my leaderboard and get surprised at how low my top 200s are because of my heavy singleplayer grinding habits. Then again, I'm probably the person who needs the least help grinding singleplayer, which is the complete opposite of this video's demographic lol. Maybe Leonid's method is much more useful to others.
Yeah, I think one thing I didn't mention in the video (because I thought it would be more uncommon) is that it actually is possible to burn out on routines. I think the threshold being an absolute number also doesn't really take into account variance in performance on a given day, which is something Kaiyon (who apparently has been doing this kind of practice for a while!) brought up to me. I think it's best to err towards lower thresholds than higher, as the main benefit of routine is consistency-- a week of a more difficult routine before falling off because of a few bad days in a row is not going to be better than a routine that you can stick to for like a year.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that level of "uncomfortable" is going to be different everyday, and I don't think what I've presented here captures that fully. Arguably, the best way is to just have an intuitive feel for what "uncomfortable" is, but it's always just hard to be honest with yourself, so we use this because numbers don't lie lmao
Recently I have been going for a pb in ultra but my main focus has been just getting more 80k runs. While not nearly as realistic of a goal as what you talked about I think its really cool to see this video cause of that. Definitely going to set some goals that are a bit lower cause of what you've talked about. thinking maybe all top 200 60k+ ? will have to see where I actually am at now. I get the caveats you talked about but I think that plateau is aways away this mentality will get me feeling good. awesome video as always !
Yeah, I feel like people tend to overshoot their goals more often than undershoot, which often just causes people to fall of the wagon with keeping up consistent practice. Being realistic with what you can keep up with everyday is good! You could probably like zoop up the 80k goal withe yhe smart goal tm stuff but it’s kind of whatever lmao as long as you don’t reset super often and are building awareness it’s probably fine
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Can I have like general guideline about the practice routine to get better in versus?
For example like sprint, cheese race and ultra?
Honestly, I don't think there's a "best routine," but here goes, for singleplayer modes:
before S:
all that matters is stacking, so just practice eternal exercise (40L sprint only tetrises, I also a have a usermode that you can probably find somewhere)
After S:
offense: ultra (there's not really a better option)
defense: I have a whole video on this, but probably just cheese or apm survival cycle that you're comfortable with. Just pick one and stick with it.
the lines are probably fuzzier than this, so idk lol
remember that this is singleplayer only, and it's important that you supplement these with VS (especially after S, honestly it's not really that important at lower levels where all that matters is getting basic stacking decent)
It's more important that you stick to a routine and it's fun to do than feeling like the routine is "optimal" (unless that's your idea of fun, in which case go ahead). You don't need to do every exercise everyday, and it can be good to just spend some periods focusing specifically on one exercise.
It'll never hurt to practice anything as long as you're not a tippy top player, that's just the kind of game multiplayer tetris is.
(to anyone reading, don't take this as gospel. if you feel like it's not working, change it. this is super general and I didn't go a lot into context)
This is a topic that I might go into in a later video, so not gonna put all my opinions out here quite yet. Thanks for the question!
banger
you are too *FRUMPLE*.