Cool. Thanks for the info. I came here to ask if it was Williams or Christy playing on this demo. I knew that Richard Christy joined in 1997..but also that Chris Williams started the year 1997 in the group. So I didn't know which guy it was. It is just a fairly lo-fi demo..so a lot of the distinguishing habits and go-to fills that you can usually use to tell drummers a part are not present here. The way I see Death and Control Denied is that if Chuck deemed a musician to be good enough to play with him, then he is a top notch player. In my opinion as someone who has played guitar, piano and bass for 25 years, Bobby Koelble is the best player Chuck ever had in the band (player, as in of all of the musicians..regardless of instruments). His educational pedigree alone could tell you that. Lots of good players teach guitar lessons. But he is a university professor. hehe Just imagine being an 18 year old guitar student walking into your first music class in your first year of university and you see that your teacher is Bobby Koelble from Death. It would be insane.
@@michaelr.4878 I did not know this information about Bobby! This explains why I was SO incredibly impressed with Koelble when he played with Death DTA in 2014 at my local haunt on the 13th anniversary of Chuck's Death. MAN I love learning more and more about Death/Control Denied/Chuck.
@@morganfarlie Ya dude, a lot of people don't know about his legit jazz background or his education and job. A working jazz musician who loves metal. Along with teaching and gigging, you can also hire him for wedding and stuff like that. I found the DTA lineup with him, Hoglan and Steve D. to be the best by a mile.
@@christiancampbell-sanderso5998 not really, it's actually the first Death song I saw a video of on the compilation VHS Live at Eindhoven. Was mesmerized. When you see a professional live performance it's much easier for you to learn.
From the 2011 remaster liner notes by Shannon Hamm: "At the end of 1995, after Death had completed the Symbolic tour, Chuck decided that it was time for Control Denied to become a reality. I had just joined up with Chris Williams, Scott Clendenin, and Paul Payne of Talonzfury when Chris was offered an audition for the new up and coming Control Denied line-up. Chuck was impressed with Chris and officially tagged him as the drummer, they recorded three songs together for reference and I was thoroughly blown away when I heard them. Chris quickly recommended me as the second guitarist and passed on some old Metalstorm recordings for Chuck to check out."
judging by interviews and dates of the demos such as this. here are the TSOP/TFAOE songs in year order. 1994: Voice of the Soul (written during Symbolic recording sessions) 1996: Bite the Pain Expect the Unexpected What If...? Story to Tell Believe Cut Down A Moment of Clarity The Fragile Art of Existence 1997: Spirit Crusher To Forgive Is to Suffer 1998: Scavenger of Human Sorrow Flesh and the Power It Holds 1999: Consumed Breaking the Broken When the Link Becomes Missing
I LOVE the internet. The more and more I discover about Chuck's last few musical movements the more I am ABSOLUTELY convinced that Control Denied was in fact a TRILOGY of albums, beginning with The Sound of Perseverance and ending with When Man and Machine Collide. What do YOU, excellent poster, think of Chuck's remaining work and its potential release?
@@VARVIS_ THANK YOU! The more research I dig into, the more I'm convinced of this. I'm glad he released TSOP and TFAE the way he did because we got 3 more classics on each (Flesh and The Power it Holds comes specifically to mind) that weren't part of the 96/97 10 song demos that lead to half the tracks on each album. That doesn't even take WMAMC into account. I'm so glad you agree!
Hey dude nice work, I had already uploaded this demo song, but I didn't realize it was on the "A Moment of Clarity" bootleg. Everything is clear now, thanks for the information. Although The Sound Of Perseverance reissue is awesome, they could have included this one too.
+PatrickINgames Yeah, it's a shame it's not included on the 2 or 3 disc reissue of The Sound of Perseverance, however it's probably due to the reason stated above; It was hiding on a Control Denied rehearsal recording. But whatever the reason, due to this, this makes this version of Spirit Crusher the one and only Death rehearsal recording of a song that remains unreleased (officially) to this day.
@@arrell Not sure. Only reason I know is the Death By Metal doc on Amazon Prime. He names a few songs that were going to be on control denied. Great doc if you haven't seen it.
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Love the demos. People should listen to demos more.
Demos hide lot of intresting facts, riffs etc
You also see how the song progressed through the writing process a lot of the time I like the demos better than the finished song
I agree
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Well it's a hardcore fan thing. Band itself should deserve that attention.
Tribute To Death & Control Denied
Chuck Schuldiner
1967-2001
Chris Williams
1971-2000
Scott Clendenin
1968-2015
Ralph Santolla
1966-2018
Sean Reinert
1971-2020
Tim Aymar
1963-2023
The intro is so different, a shame this riff wasn't used for something released officially
1:17 drum transition is way cooler than recorded one
Это точно
True
Doesn't fits the song, rolls too much, takes too much attention from the melody
@@ahsenserhat9270what melody?
The late Chris Williams on drums. Severely underrated, even just demos, the guy was good.
Cool. Thanks for the info. I came here to ask if it was Williams or Christy playing on this demo. I knew that Richard Christy joined in 1997..but also that Chris Williams started the year 1997 in the group. So I didn't know which guy it was. It is just a fairly lo-fi demo..so a lot of the distinguishing habits and go-to fills that you can usually use to tell drummers a part are not present here. The way I see Death and Control Denied is that if Chuck deemed a musician to be good enough to play with him, then he is a top notch player. In my opinion as someone who has played guitar, piano and bass for 25 years, Bobby Koelble is the best player Chuck ever had in the band (player, as in of all of the musicians..regardless of instruments). His educational pedigree alone could tell you that. Lots of good players teach guitar lessons. But he is a university professor. hehe Just imagine being an 18 year old guitar student walking into your first music class in your first year of university and you see that your teacher is Bobby Koelble from Death. It would be insane.
@@michaelr.4878 I did not know this information about Bobby! This explains why I was SO incredibly impressed with Koelble when he played with Death DTA in 2014 at my local haunt on the 13th anniversary of Chuck's Death. MAN I love learning more and more about Death/Control Denied/Chuck.
@@morganfarlie Ya dude, a lot of people don't know about his legit jazz background or his education and job. A working jazz musician who loves metal. Along with teaching and gigging, you can also hire him for wedding and stuff like that. I found the DTA lineup with him, Hoglan and Steve D. to be the best by a mile.
На сколько мне известно в этом альбоме на ударных был Ричард Кристи
I would pay so much just to have every Death demo.
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That intro is so nice and peaceful.
The only Death song I can play from start to finish, except the solo.
If you can play this you can play many other Death songs
courtmetrage okay. Death, pantera,Motörhead and Slipknot are pretty much the only bands i can play any song of fully
Same thing. Chucks Solo is hard to play
More like the only death song you bothered to learn all the way lmaoo
@@christiancampbell-sanderso5998 not really, it's actually the first Death song I saw a video of on the compilation VHS Live at Eindhoven. Was mesmerized. When you see a professional live performance it's much easier for you to learn.
From the 2011 remaster liner notes by Shannon Hamm: "At the end of 1995, after Death had completed the Symbolic tour, Chuck decided that it was time for Control Denied to become a reality. I had just joined up with Chris Williams, Scott Clendenin, and Paul Payne of Talonzfury when Chris was offered an audition for the new up and coming Control Denied line-up. Chuck was impressed with Chris and officially tagged him as the drummer, they recorded three songs together for reference and I was thoroughly blown away when I heard them. Chris quickly recommended me as the second guitarist and passed on some old Metalstorm recordings for Chuck to check out."
judging by interviews and dates of the demos such as this.
here are the TSOP/TFAOE songs in year order.
1994:
Voice of the Soul (written during Symbolic recording sessions)
1996:
Bite the Pain
Expect the Unexpected
What If...?
Story to Tell
Believe
Cut Down
A Moment of Clarity
The Fragile Art of Existence
1997:
Spirit Crusher
To Forgive Is to Suffer
1998:
Scavenger of Human Sorrow
Flesh and the Power It Holds
1999:
Consumed
Breaking the Broken
When the Link Becomes Missing
Good work.
2001 When Man and Machine Collide demos
I LOVE the internet. The more and more I discover about Chuck's last few musical movements the more I am ABSOLUTELY convinced that Control Denied was in fact a TRILOGY of albums, beginning with The Sound of Perseverance and ending with When Man and Machine Collide.
What do YOU, excellent poster, think of Chuck's remaining work and its potential release?
I don't think that's the case. Chuck was pretty much done with Death in 1996. Some of what became TSOP would have been on TFAOE.
@@DaveOJ I mean he's saying that...TSOP is supposed to be control denied but had to be put the name Death on the cover due to contract
The riffs in 'A Moment of Clarity' scream SOP to me. I would agree with you.
I can see it
@@VARVIS_ THANK YOU!
The more research I dig into, the more I'm convinced of this. I'm glad he released TSOP and TFAE the way he did because we got 3 more classics on each (Flesh and The Power it Holds comes specifically to mind) that weren't part of the 96/97 10 song demos that lead to half the tracks on each album.
That doesn't even take WMAMC into account.
I'm so glad you agree!
Hey dude nice work, I had already uploaded this demo song, but I didn't realize it was on the "A Moment of Clarity" bootleg. Everything is clear now, thanks for the information. Although The Sound Of Perseverance reissue is awesome, they could have included this one too.
+PatrickINgames Yeah, it's a shame it's not included on the 2 or 3 disc reissue of The Sound of Perseverance, however it's probably due to the reason stated above; It was hiding on a Control Denied rehearsal recording.
But whatever the reason, due to this, this makes this version of Spirit Crusher the one and only Death rehearsal recording of a song that remains unreleased (officially) to this day.
+Raven S (Hidden) I totally agree. This version is amazing!
The bass intro sounds much better than the recorded one
I love the beginning of this song ❤
It was confirmed that this song was a Control Denied song along with 4 others in the Death by Metal bio. Good find!
Were the other songs actually named?
@@arrell Not sure. Only reason I know is the Death By Metal doc on Amazon Prime. He names a few songs that were going to be on control denied. Great doc if you haven't seen it.
@@arrell Story to tell is one of them. Confirmed by Eric Greif
A Moment of Clarity was also a Control Denied song
@@arrell voice of the soul, the 5th song wasnt mention in the Death doc.
Loved the demo and the detailed description to go with it. Thank you.
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6:05 goosebumps
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Love the bombasity of the drums here, mixed louder than on Perseverance
Damn really cool stuff
súper brutal
this intro is so fucking awesome!!!
Intro is 🔥
dude i never knew this existed this version i like more
The Sound Of Existence
The Fragile Art Of Perseverance
Death X Control Denied
- Demo
I really liked
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I actually may like the arrangements of the riffs here more than on the album
yes
This demo is simply perfect
Sick!!!!
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wow
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I think that "The Fragile Art of Perseverance" suits these demos better
perfeito!
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Sick ass intro!!!
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2:09 does anyone know how to play this riff(i can`t find the exact notes progression)?
Its all variations of the intro riff. Try taking it out by ear even if it will take you forever. It will help you
Fucking awesome
Good job, man, thanks!!!!!
Cool 😎
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this sounds more death metal than the version on the album
together we can get it to 1,000 likes bros
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by far more aggresive
Hell nah
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Fuck Yeah mucho Gracias