Troubleshooting Buck converter output spikes: Based on a real story

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024

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  • @ArifKhan-bp9zx
    @ArifKhan-bp9zx 6 месяцев назад +1

    I use to think there's no great RUclips guys who explains everything and in details.. but after this channel, I can say there's no good enough audiance for great Channels like this one.. 😢

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  6 месяцев назад

      It is the quality that counts, not the quantity🙂 Thanks.

  • @mxzhang8836
    @mxzhang8836 3 года назад +4

    This is a very practical topic. Thanks for doing this professor!

  • @SuperHal2k
    @SuperHal2k 3 года назад +4

    Uniquie hands-on experince, Thank you Professor

  • @xhp74
    @xhp74 3 года назад +2

    Thank you! I am working on a project ( that is failing!) I have been looking at a lot of your videos and they are helping me understand better what is going on. Not there yet but please don't stop. (65Mhz oscillation EMI Nightmare!)

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for comment. Happy that the videos help.

  • @samratpushpesh7363
    @samratpushpesh7363 3 года назад +1

    Another Fantastic explanation with practical example by Prof. Sam. Thank you sir

  • @DineshKumar-wv1uq
    @DineshKumar-wv1uq 2 года назад +1

    Feeling grateful. Many thanks Professor!

  • @Dc_tech386
    @Dc_tech386 11 месяцев назад +1

    I design my first buck converter while back but every mosfet or igbt I use just a load of 100watt spike kill the fet and fet was 580 watt so it was not overloaded and I use 20v ziner and 10k resistor in series with to the boostrap gate and 200v Shockley diodes in parallel with the inductor and capacitor 1000nf and 300ohm resistor in series to the mosfets source and all the spikes drop to on 100 millivolt and I draw 60 amperage a 16 volt and igbt get warm and circuit work very efficient

  • @JadeHare1
    @JadeHare1 3 года назад +1

    Great video professor, simply explained but deep insight on it!

  • @hamidk4772
    @hamidk4772 3 года назад +3

    Outstanding Job.

  • @Sergey2236
    @Sergey2236 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for interesting video. It would be nice to see also the PCB

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад

      Thanks. Indeed, I should have. Next time😊

  • @argcargv
    @argcargv 3 года назад +3

    There seems to be an interesting tradeoff here. Slowing the switching speed creates dissipation in the switch, whereas the ferrite bead dissipates high frequency energy in the filter. I presume the bead is a more precise approach to add dissipation in the filter as this will be narrowly focused only on the high frequency components of the noise, whereas adding dissipation by slowing down the switch is a much more broadband filter.

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +1

      The added dissipation by bead is indeed minor.

    • @argcargv
      @argcargv 3 года назад

      @@sambenyaakov so could a more efficient way to slow down the switch be to place a bead on the drain instead of limiting the current to the gate? It seems such an approach would also work, but I am not sure of the tradeoffs.

  • @bm830810
    @bm830810 3 года назад +7

    Hi Sam, many thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us,
    what do you think about dissipating the spike in an RC instead of blocking it?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +3

      Interesting idea considering the very high frequency of spike. Never tried it.

  • @TheDefpom
    @TheDefpom 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting, thank you.

  • @ezranoam
    @ezranoam 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing, very interesting

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +1

      Toda. Shanna Tova😊

    • @ezranoam
      @ezranoam 3 года назад

      @@sambenyaakov שנה טובה שמואל, תודה על הכל

  • @livingstonbrown6826
    @livingstonbrown6826 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks much professor.
    If this was a regular pwm controller, which one of the output capacitors would we place the feedback resistor for output voltage regulation?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  5 месяцев назад +1

      It is better to connect to the second one but this may mess up the control by adding a phase leg so usually one prefers to connect to the first one. The penalty is a voltage drop.

  • @jpedrosc98
    @jpedrosc98 3 года назад +3

    Thank you, professor! For higher currents converters (i.e. >20 A), is there a better alternative to the ferrite beads? Using another inductor wouldn't result in the same problem?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +5

      You can use an inductor but may have to damp the network by putting a resistor across the inductor.

  • @avin6602
    @avin6602 3 года назад +1

    Thank you! there is a chance you have a video explained why putting the probe and its ground on the same point is a common measurement?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад

      See ruclips.net/video/eaAsnNkJfPY/видео.html

  • @mohammadhassanzade6893
    @mohammadhassanzade6893 3 года назад +1

    so great
    thank you professor
    can we use ferrite bead in series with RG (for smooth turn on or off mosfet) and use RC snubber in mid point of two switch in synchronous buck converter( for more output current about 20A or above) for reduce output spikes ?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +1

      No matter how you slow the gate, losses will increase. Although some manufacturers promote the use of FB in the gate path (for GaN mosfets). I have found that this may promote oscillations.

    • @mohammadhassanzade6893
      @mohammadhassanzade6893 3 года назад

      ​@@sambenyaakov i think too bcz increase inductance phenomena in gate may be made oscillation with input capacitance in gate
      what is your opinion about add RC snubber in mid point of synchornous buck converter ?

  • @mikemarachov3230
    @mikemarachov3230 3 года назад +1

    As always. Thank you :)

  • @isacdaimary9908
    @isacdaimary9908 Год назад +1

    Sir Please make a video on output capacitor selection. As far as ESR is concerned I saw people combining Aluminium Electrolyte with MLCC capacitor, but while I tried to do the same in my Lab, I failed miserably to combine a good capacitor value.

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  Год назад

      Have you seen: ruclips.net/video/c9utQJra9tQ/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/1p7v8qYRT70/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/9fmWTmvWutg/видео.html

  • @billimew7496
    @billimew7496 3 года назад +1

    Great Lecture Prof, However, what would your suggestion about power level for this IC. Since its need external swiches doesnot it will increase the footprint ? recently i have seen for high step down, there is a new no-opto flyback converter. Can you suggest about which converter is better for high to low voltage conversion. Just for an example this IC input range is 5-75 and adjustable output voltage. However, for high gain ratio around 10 (Vin =50 V, and Vo= 5). Do you recommend this buck topology or flyback or other topology. can you if possible name some good IC for high voltage gain conversion application.

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад

      Constant on time with frequency adjustment ids great for high step down, With an external switch one can reach 5A output easily.

    • @billimew7496
      @billimew7496 3 года назад +1

      @@sambenyaakov Thanks a lot prof. Can you share any related document as well.

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад

      @@billimew7496 Look up application notes and data sheets of TI on this subject.

  • @ats89117
    @ats89117 3 года назад +1

    Interesting and useful video. And based on a true story! Very Hollywood! But possibly edited to make it more interesting. ;-)
    But seriously, You chose a very high frequency ferrite bead with maximum impedance at 3.4 GHz and got very good results. Suppose you had chosen a more run of the mill ferrite bead with maximum impedance at around 100 MHz. I ask this because you've achieved a much better result than I've usually obtained by using the same type of T filter with a ferrite bead between two output capacitors. Maybe the higher frequency ferrite bead is the way to go for this type of transient filter?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +1

      True story only the names have been changed to protect the innocent😊 yes, since the spikes are of HF content, HF bead is useful.

  • @factorpotencia
    @factorpotencia 3 года назад +1

    These spikes will be also present in the input?, When the MOSFET in ON?

  • @wordsoccer747
    @wordsoccer747 3 года назад +1

    Dear professor, have you considered seeing the difference by adding ferrite bead in the frequency domain?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад

      Not in this case, but this could help.

  • @ritzayrton4649
    @ritzayrton4649 3 года назад +1

    Whoaaaa ur the best

  • @joelcarvalho6817
    @joelcarvalho6817 3 года назад +1

    Thank you professor! Is it practical to design a 2400W buck converter with 300V input and 80V output?

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +2

      With 30A inductor current, it would be better to consider an interleaved topology

    • @joelcarvalho6817
      @joelcarvalho6817 3 года назад

      @@sambenyaakov Thank you for your advice

  • @dannyphilossof1140
    @dannyphilossof1140 3 года назад +2

    Instead of dc filtering as shown, why not put the bead in series with the main inductor?
    In order to lower emi

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад +2

      Never tried it. I would guess that the losses will be very high

  • @dr_davo
    @dr_davo 3 года назад +6

    Would you be interesting in collaborating in the future? I'm a PhD student that makes EE videos on my channel. I deal with buck/boost/ buck-boost topologies fairly often and have some cool video ideas.

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  3 года назад

      What type of cooperation you have in mind? You can respond to sby@bgu.ac.

  • @tamaseduard5145
    @tamaseduard5145 3 года назад +1

    👍👍👍💖👍👍👍

  • @anthonywilliams4572
    @anthonywilliams4572 4 месяца назад +1

    I have a 600w high power dc-dc step down buck converter once I connect power input the converter gets heated up without connecting any load what's the likely problem please help

    • @sambenyaakov
      @sambenyaakov  4 месяца назад

      Check the gate drive for overshoot in some other malfunctions

  • @marcinszajner2924
    @marcinszajner2924 3 года назад +1

    Rezonans converters like full bridge could have same source of interference? I mean during dead time.