USMC Jet Crashes Cable Car | Last Moments
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- Will a jet be destroyed when it crashes into the cable car system, or will it shear through the cable and destroy the cable car? Perhaps neither will survive the encounter?
"The Cavalese cable car crash, also known as the Cermis massacre (Italian: Strage del Cermis), occurred on February 3, 1998, near the Italian town of Cavalese, a ski resort in the Dolomites some 40 kilometres (25 mi) northeast of Trento. Twenty people were killed when a United States Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler aircraft, flying too low and against regulations, in order for the pilots to "have fun" and "take videos of the scenery", cut a cable supporting a cable car of an aerial lift. Joseph Schweitzer, one of the two American pilots, confessed in 2012 that he had burned the tape containing incriminating evidence upon returning to the American base.
The pilot, Captain Richard J. Ashby, and his navigator, Captain Joseph Schweitzer, were put on trial in the United States and found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter and negligent homicide. Later they were found guilty of obstruction of justice and conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman for having destroyed a videotape recorded from the plane, and were dismissed from the Marine Corps. The disaster, and the subsequent acquittal of the pilots, strained relations between the U.S. and Italy."
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get a haircut.
The audio was a bit distant and quiet in this one chief.
And yeah.. you lookd better with short hair..
Not to be an ass but could you turn down the volume a tiny bit on your next last moments video? I like hearing your voice a bit louder and every time that tone plays I have to wipe the blood from my ears. Also I like the hair long you look good no matter what Qxir screw these other guys.
What happend to the drawings?
Having researched this event myself, several years ago, this presentation is half @$$.
I've seen aftermath photos of the aircraft in question, and was surprised the damage wasn't more severe. The cable failed at the tower support, due to an overloaded of tensile force. It was NOT 'cut like a knife', by the aircraft wing/tail.
There was a huge national incident following this crash. The president promised to release all the details but the navy refused and destroyed everything after the investigation. I learned a lot about this when i was in training in Pensacola
Imago's were agreed, Politics reigned
U.S. navy has a more exposed history of covering their fuck ups than any of military branch. They are very self conscious about their image.
That's wild you were even able to find out about it, we're you flying goshawks down there?
I don’t see the need for not serving justice, why the cover up ? These people screwed up, they were responsible for these death, what was the need for covering ?
@@Mongoliantreecow I saw a guy get sucked into the intake of a goshawk on the deck of CVN-71. I was manning the camera in the superstructure at the time, and had to record the incident and aftermath. That was probably one of the most gruesome things I've ever seen. That's been close to 20 years ago, and it still shakes me to think about.
I am honestly shocked that a high-tension steel cable like that doesn't cut a plane in half.
The plane is made so survive missles exploding nearby and with lots of redundancy. But yeah, at that speed its almost a miracle
The cable isn't that tight. They always have some looseness (consider the temperature).
The plane had more momentum. It's like a jet of high pressure water slicing through metal because hey water doesn't have as much time to get out of the way as the metal. Although I'm really stoned and just guessing. Probably completely wrong here.
It almost cut off the right wing of the craft. If you watch the documentary on the incident that show pictures after the incident and you can clear see a gouge that stretched nearly 1/3rd of the aircrafts right wing
Well it all depends in which angle it took the hit, the wing being at an angle can help the cable slip over it. Also, the cable is not completely tense and has elasticity.
A couple things to note:
The pilot's reasoning behind not being able read the altimeter due to malfunction is weak in itself due to the fact that pilots, especially in the armed forces, are trained in determining altitude without the need for the altimeter.
The maps were obsolete because they were meant for higher altitudes than what they flew since according to the radio operators, they weren't expecting to fly so low, so of course the ski lift wouldn't be on those maps because they're below.
As a civilian pilot you don't even need training to tell the difference between 2000 and 300 feet. It's very obvious when the ground is basically right up on you
Theres no reason during VFR flight you wouldn't be aware you're that low at 300 feet.
The map thing, nah, it should have been labeled. I'm not sure what map you mean, a map that only has mountain peaks on it? Sectional charts would definitely list all those things.
Still no explanation to why they were below 2000 AGL unless Qxir got it wrong. Those planes are interdiction aircraft so they would do low level training missions. Not sure what Italy's policy is with that at the time though considering a it's a military training mission. Those are common in the US to fly that low.
You'd think but it happens a LOT. half of the intelligence agency higher ups in Northern Ireland were killed when a Chinook flew into a hill at the Mull of Kintyre in the 1990s. A girl I know had a husband who was an RAF fighter pilot flew into a mountain also. Both mistook their altitudes.
@@cefb8923 what i remember was that the maps were rated for 1,000 ft and higher, very much above the ski lift.
@@cefb8923 it's also been reported by locals in the mountains that the jets fly very low and stunt flying by doing what's called flat hatting, where you fly as low as possible.
I was in the Marine Corps when this happened. A friend of mine was with that unit and was deployed to Aviano during the incident, although he was a Corporal and a prowler mechanic, so he wasn't directly involved. According to him, as well as the scuttlebutt around the Corps at the time, flying under the cable was a pretty regular thing. Like a rite of passage that all of the pilots went through while deployed there. The Marine Corps is full of these seemingly goofy little initiations, and I have no doubt that Marine aviators have their own-this probably being one of them.
I don't know this to be true, but that was the rumor. I can say that it seems very likely, and that the details leading up to the incident don't really lend themselves to make one believe otherwise.
Concerning how it was handled afterwards, I am absolutely ashamed. At the very least, the pilot should have done some serious time, and $60k to the families plus $5k for burial is disgraceful. The fact that we weren't bending over backwards to make things right (not that anyone ever could) after an incident like that was one of my first lessons as a young man that sadly, our government is not in the business of doing the right thing.
All good points...
Idk it seems kind of unlikely that they would intentionally fly under it. If you know anything about being in the military it's that rumors spread like a wildfire, hell maybe a guilty cartographer or training officer even started it to cast shade on pilots.
and innocent people again dying because of american idiocracy...just a collateral..like allways..american exceptionalism at its best..again🤢
People that think the government care about them or have thier best interest. Actually scare me 🙈
"I was in the Marine Corp when this happened."(sic)
You served in the Marines yet can't correctly spell Corps?
Here in Italy this is a massive incident that practically everyone knows about. And the opinion of the US, NATO, and the military definitely suffered.
Justly so. US Naval ethics demand honesty and ownership of one's actions. This incident didn't reflect that.
@@hairybubbles127 US naval ethics lmao what a joke
@@fal2218 ok foreigner
@@natowaveenjoyer9862 ok bot
I was stationed in Aviano a couple years ago and I never heard of this.
seeing all that blood splattered over the pure white snow is horrifying.
Yeah and I'm assuming that was AFTER they removed all the bodies, like jesus christ man...
Reminded me of when I was traveling across Michoacan state, Mexico in the back of a pickup. There was a taxi that had recently wrecked and flipped over... And the wheels were still spinning when we passed... And blood was steadily pouring out of the back passenger side door onto the ground, into a pool. :(
They must have essentially exploded on impact 😞 imagine being a first responder - I would need a fair few shandies after dealing with that
Not If your finish
@@KTBFFH I heard a rumour that some of the bodies faces were twisted in sheer terror when found. May they RIP
I remember seeing this a while ago, I cannot believe that they fucked up this bad and got away with it. What a tragedy, rest in peace to all who passed in this.
Uhhh peace?
Peace you mean? Piece….
@@anthonyn1157 Whoops! looks like an insensitive joke my bad
@Mastah Zen well he's obviously a liar and possibly even a sociopath, I'm not surprised that his image was ruined by this.
@@chriscoker7794 Italians responsible that some American kids took a jet for a joyride? They should just have kicked out US forces, until USA sort their shit together
Those photos! The blood on the snow is so... graphic, and telling of the carnage that must've occurred to LEAVE that kind of gore
Agreed, it makes it hard to laugh at the incident. However, I rise above.
@@rstidman i dont think that was the intent of the video..
@@rstidman what kind of fucking psychopath is laughing at this incident?
@@Rocco-tb9ih hopefully they're using barbless otherwise that'll hurt when you rip it out.
It's hydraulic fluid not blood. (He writes hopefully)
You missed the fact that the next day the provincial prefect issued an arrest warrant for all 4 crew, but when the carabinieri arrived on the base that morning to arrest them they had already been flown out back to the US. But for sure it was not some kind of cover up. I was stationed in Aviano when this happened, I was never more ashamed of my country.
Yes, we protect our own from a hilariously backward and outdated justice system that uses vigalantism and mob justice instead of law. We've all seen what happens when you don't have the military to cover your ass when you're involved in an incident over there. Their justice system makes ours look functional by comparison, and that's saying a LOT.
At least you dont have the shame of the italians, whose nation sided with hitler in ww2.
@@dave8599 Well at least the Italians then turned around and fought against both the nazis and their own fascists. Better than to run back home to the US to evade justice.
You should be ashamed of the military
@@dave8599 iraq, afganistan, vietnam, korea, laos, cambodia, all of south america, you americans have your bloody paws everywhere. Be quiet, hypocrite.
MORAL OF THE STORY, governments and their departments can get away with things that the average person can not. :/
MORAL OF THE STORY: never tolarate a foreign army on your soil.
The government is so corrupted now it is like trying to take a clean bite from a worm infested apple.
@@nicktamer4969Bravo
I used to work on Prowlers up until the last deployment they had in 2018. The aircraft was not so much a fighter as a jamming electronic warfare aircraft. The highlight beyond the 4 man crew (3 ecm officers and a pilot) was that it was fast. It was designed to be able to evade enemy fire while flying low, so many pilots trained at low altitude, high speed, maneuvering. This incident was a big black mark in the unit's history (VMAQ-2), of which many Marines that were active at the time of incident remained on the last operation, which was coincidentally VMAQ-2 (branded the Death Jesters at the end). It was a good jet, just poor decision making by some pilots.
very pretty too, in my opinion
@@abandonedaccount123 I always thought they looked like a quail
i've wanted to see a prowler for a while now, especially after it got replaced by the hornet and lightning, such a shame it was involved in this mess
What does ecm stand for?
@Michael Dupre Couldn't agree more, this was clearly a result of the brass effing up and blaming the lower ranks
I'm American and am 54 years old, so I very well remember when this happened. I was ashamed of the conduct of these military men and of our military for not truly holding them accountable. These guys needed to be immediately imprisoned and put on trial in a way that anyone else would be. How terrible to go on vacation and end up plummeting to your death in a cable car. RIP to all those that so horribly perished that day. 😢
The military leadership who covered it up and the navy officials who destroyed the evidence and info (not just the tape) so that the president couldn't release it to the Italians should also be in prison for obstruction of justice!
@@revenevan11 Exactly.
@@revenevan11 Yes, I totally agree that Bill Clinton and all the other hacks that covered this up should DEFINITELY be in prison.
@@CivilEngineerWroxton Bill only cares for himself just like Hitlery- Narcissistic sociopath.
This is what the military industrial complex has done to American society
How do you not realize the difference between 300 and a couple thousand feet just a single flight from becoming an actual fighter pilot even if the altimeter was broken
bullshit excuses from officers who watched thr Nuremberg trials. just play stupid and hide evidence
I am not a pilot and still pretty confident I'd notice the difference.
@@FriedrichHerschel nor am I but that seems like the kinda thing that would be extremely helpful to know
Snow can be very deceptive to pilots. Without shadows, it looks far even if you arent.
@@c-dawg2145 there must be some extra context clues like there's a lot more mountain here than we were expecting
I was working at the aircraft maintenance facility this plane was sent to after the crash. You can't see it in the photo, but there was a huge gash in the tail where it hit the cable. As another commenter said, the word around the facility was that the pilot was hot-dogging and showing off. I worked for the military both on active duty and as a civilian for over thirty years, and heard stories of unauthorized risk-taking like this often. No wonder we had to take risk management classes every year. It seems a lot of people think, "Oh, that will never happen to me."
They're watching Top Gun and saw Maverick did all those things and think they're the next Maverick
I'm surprised the plane withstood the impact of the cable. These support cables are around 1.5 inch in diameter. This wasn't the first jet-plane collision with a cable car in history, there had been a few before this one, but in all of those, it was the plane that crashed with pilots usually catapulting and the cable car that remained (several of these occured in Italy). The only other one where a plane actually sent a cabin to the ground was Mont Blanc in the late 50s/early 60s where I couldn't find much info about the incident. In several instances planes did severe the thinner tractor cable that just pulls the cabins up and down and when that happened the brakes on the cabins were applied and held them stationary on support cables, but I just wonder what was the material this prowler jet was made from if it managed to severe a 1.5 inch support cable and still manage to fly back to base?
U right , think it's a common fact in the military, and when shit happens it's all covered.
What's insane is the pilots got away with killing 20 people. The marines covered it up which is even worse....
They should go to jail for life. This is appalling.
Pilot: *Panics and blames the altimeter for own incompetence*
Avionic Technician: I went to school to make sure that your altimeter and bitching Betty work at your higher than fleet standards, the least you can do is remember that you allegedly went to a flight school and know what a fucking mountain at 300 feet looks like vs 2000.
There’s no way they would have took that jet flying if it had a defective altimeter.
Even if it went defective mid sortie, they wouldn’t have pressed on at low level.
There’s some safety critical systems that you can’t fly without.
@@notmenotme614 Am aware, it is very common for pilots to pull the breaker for it just so they can do dumb shit like, say, take a video of the inside of an Italian valley.
Similar but unrelated, had a AWC try to blame our Air Framers for a canopy window "popping out" of an H-60 into a residential area. It didn't take long for the social media posts of the same aircrewman taking fucking selfies out the window to vindicate that shift and land that dipshit behind a desk.
People often forget icing is an issue, alot of static port's arn't heated and so they can ice up. it's possible that's what happend. when they landed the altimeter would have worked fine as the ice had melted
@@Cessna152ful At that altitude? If their pitots failed(only real reason), it was only because they came from a steep dive, and thus were being adventuristic with military weaponry in civilian airspace (in this case, fucking terrain). This is the Mediterranean. Use your brain. There is no AoA in This World that would justify pitot failure, and if there were, there is an entire nest of procedure that alleged pilot could have fallen upon. I say alleged, because the only thing that individual SHOULD be piloting, is a desk.
@@Cessna152ful Interesting, interesting...... And, uh.....why did they destroy the video evidence if it was just equipment malfunction and they did nothing wrong?
Great video, as always, Qxir. FYI in the "Sopranos" episode where the crew goes to Italy, there's a brief scene where a random Italian walks up to Paulie and angrily confronts him about this very incident. It turns out that wasn't in the script. While shooting a random Italian really did walk up to what he thought was a random American and start to rant about the cable car.
Think about that. This normal Italian spots an American and instantly gets in his face. That's how mad Italians were at us after this accident! RIP 😔
I remember that episode. That's what made me look up this incident.
Wow that was unscripted? Glad they put that in the show
@@Adam-vj7dn are they allowed to do that? Some dude just walks on set and starts yelling at them without realizing its a show and their just like “yeah put it in the show im sure its fine”
@@LucyWest370 are you allowed to ask strangers questions online, or are you a free person who doesn't require government approval to do basic things?
@@Adam-vj7dn oh cool so if I just run around with a camera and record people then post it on a popular television show without obscuring their identity, asking for permission, or even letting them know first, then its perfectly fine? Ok thanks for clearing that up, Ill go do that now.
Somehow in history there is always something MORE tragic to learn than the last thing!
like DAMN. This channel is always telling me a story that I love to listen to but it is ABSOLUTELY CRUSHING to hear. These are real people. gone.
And it's not the first incident that occured on this particular cable car. On that same cable car, 42 people lost their lives in a cabin that plunged to the ground on 9. March 1976. There is a documentary about it: ruclips.net/video/6-GBikY0AqM/видео.html
I can say, from an Italian’s perspective, this was really, really stupid and the fact that they got away with them makes all of us mad.
I think that every European feels the same.
I can't stad the fact that killers of my European brothers just got away free
Hell, I'm American and it makes me mad they got away with it.
Italians got away after the stresa cabin car accident - 2 of the 3 were found not guilty, the 3rd got house arrest. Italy just has a horrible judicial system, let’s be honest.
In this accident 14 people died ( I think), 1 child survived.
The most impressive (for want of a better word) thing to me is the resilience of the plane. Do you realise the sheer force you need to cut 2 inches of fortified cable, only got the plane to get a dented wing? Thats insane
Physics are fun, aren't they? If you pushed that wing through at a rate if an inch per minute, it would slice through that wing like it wasn't even there. But it was moving slightly faster than that, wasn't it?
“Staggering”
@@User0000000000000004 They were moving at a rate of 31,680,000 inches/hr. Which means that they were moving at a rate of 528,000 in/min. Or 8,800 in/sec. Remember, force equals mass times acceleration and mass equals weight divided by gravity.
@Joseph Leishman I agree, that detail was entirely shocking. The fact that they were able to return to base was even more shocking. I expected to hear that the plane was cut into pieces that cartwheeled through the air and into the mountainside. I am totally amazed by what actually happened and it adds a massive amount of integrity to that airframe.
@@GTLees Not half as shocking as the fact that they had no repercussions whatsoever for it. Only for destroying their video tape. Because sabotaging an investigation by the US military is much more grievous than the loss of lieves of some European subhumans. Their own fault they didn't get out of the way, right?
Italy doesn't have much luck with their cable cars. Just 2 years ago a cable ripped shortly before the car entered the hilltop station, sending many people downhill to their deaths, because the emergency brakes have been tampered. How these last seconds feel is not something I would want to imagine...
That's the first thing in a while to actually make me furious, even if only for thirty seconds.
Which surprises me, since I've been reading and listening about much more drawn-out murders, corruption, and other wrongs to the point that I am rather cynical again.
@@adamofblastworks1517 It makes you angry because unlike most other murders, killings and stuff whoever tampered with the emergency brakes didn't know or even see the people he killed. With most murders the people know each other and with the rest the murderer actually at least sees and knows he is killing that specific person or group of people. In this case though whoever screwed with the brakes didn't go through any of that which just seems wrong to us on an instinctual level.
@@DeathlordSlavik I think you're right
Yes, that's right. And Cavalese is especially unlucky as not many people know that this same cable car, which crashed in 1998 due to the impact with the Prowler, had a much worse incident on 9.March 1976, in fact the worst cable car incident to date where 42 people lost their lives: ruclips.net/video/6-GBikY0AqM/видео.html
They should have been in prison for many YEARS not 6 months!! If this happened in civil aviation there would have been a much harsher punishment.
Not only that - anywhere else. Kill 20 people, even by accident, and no way you just get away with it.
In civil aviation you would have gotten life improsinment
@@FriedrichHerschel there's a dude who killed 4 people in an accident and ended up getting 110 years in prison, while this guy killed 20 people, ended up getting 6 months, released after served 4 months in jail because of good behaviour, what the actual fuck
@@mahdudes1523 If you're a cop or military member in the USA you can pretty easily get away with murder if it looks accidental enough, it's disgraceful how little consequences these people faced.
@@Iberium Your brain is poisoned by anti-American propaganda. Do you even know what intent is?
I had heard of this case before, but somehow I never saw the pictures of the cable car. It's always staggering when you see a scene with so much blood that it looks like it came out of a movie.
as an italian citizen... i assure you they have never been showed on tv here either
Hydraulic fluid, or we called in the Army Cherry Juice.
That is the problem with Americans, everything looks like a movie. I do not watch television so everything looks real, and is. I was down by the towers on Sept. 11th and the only people who said it looked like something out of a movie, were people who experienced the event through television.
@@katsanddoggies9904 Not true. Given that they were traveling at 500 MPH (805 KMH), the hydraulic fluid would have drifted hundreds of feet forward of the cable car's location. That was human blood, no "if, ands, or buts".
@@justanotherguy469 ...... there was an incident in Las Vegas where a couple of guys had a shootout after leaving a casino, at a stoplight and then one of the cars plowed into a taxi and created a huge Fireball while three people were incinerated......
Everyone thought a movie was being filmed until it was realized that events were actually happening.
Bruh no way, imagine watching that from the ground.
You’d never ride a cable car ever again
I watched it from a computer chair and I'll never ride a cable car again..
There has been other cable car incident as well.I think there is a really good video on youtube about the Kaprun Disaster in Austria. That is even worst than this..
What I want to now is why only one cable car fell, surely if the line is severed it means the tension is lost and all cable cars on the line are affected?
I saw a chairlift snap the wire in '99, and although the safety latches grabbed and locked, keeping everyone safe (except 1 guy who after waiting 4+hrs decided to jump and broke his foot), but I still haven't gone snowboarding again.
@@lewzero breaking bones is part of the experience though.
I drove in one of those cable cars a year or so after the incident, it was completely unfathomable that a jet would actually hit it because it was so low over the ground, at least in regards to any plane in the middle of a living and tourist area. It was such a massive scandal back then.
It has been rebuilt in a completely different manner, with a new station at the bottom of the valley and smaller cable cars closer to the ground. The old style gondola had one single span crossing the valley 100m high...
@@mrarci6569 Oh Dan yeah that would make more sense, but it's still completely insane. No jet should even fly in that area.
@@MaxiGoethling This place were flying under that cable in that one exact spot all the time, it was some kind of tradition in that military base... the cable was 110m above the ground in that place.
It is posible that the cable-car was the only unexpected part in this stunt, the pilot was forced to corect the flight because of it and with speed of 540mph it was simply an imposible task to do it right, so he avoided the crash into the car but cut the cable.
Because list of pilots that did it before him was ling the army covered up everything...
@@Stevie-J Hadewich Antonissen (24, Vechelderzande), Belgian;
Stefan Bekaert (28, Leuven), Belgian;
Dieter Frank Blumenfeld (47, Burgstädt), German;
Rose-Marie Eyskens (24, Kalmthout), Belgian;
Danielle Groenleer (20, Apeldoorn), Dutch;
Michael Pötschke (28, Burgstädt), German;
Egon Uwe Renkewitz (47, Burgstädt), German;
Marina Mandy Renkewitz (24, Burgstädt), German;
Maria Steiner-Stampfl (61, Bressanone), Italian;
Ewa Strzelczyk (37, Gliwice), Polish;
Philip Strzelczyk (14, Gliwice), Polish;
Annelie (Wessig) Urban (41, Burgstädt), German;
Harald Urban (41, Burgstädt), German
Sebastian Van den Heede (27, Bruges), Belgian;
Marcello Vanzo (56, Cavalese), operator of the downhill cabin, Italian;
Stefaan Vermander (27, Assebroek), Belgian;
Anton Voglsang (35, Vienna), Austrian;
Sonja Weinhofer (22, born in Munich, domiciled in Vienna), Austrian;
Jürgen Wunderlich (44, Burgstädt), German;
Edeltraud Zanon-Werth (56, born in Innsbruck, living in Bressanone), Italian.
Go and find some good surgeon that gonna do something for the humanity and gonna perform a lobotomy on your sick, hardly used brain...
@@Bialy_1 That's my opinion. He must have done a very well planned research to manouvre a descent from the original altitude of 2000 feet down to the height just below the cable car. This is described in the book I Due Cermis by several eye-witnesses who who saw the plane just before the incident. However, the pilot didn't take account of 1 thing. He must have taken into account the height of the cables when they are suspended with no gondolas on them. Since this cable car had a very long section between bottom station and 1st pylon (I think nearly 1 kilometre), the cable with no gondolas vs. the cable with a fully loaded gondola with 20 people on board must have meant that the gondola could have been up to 4-5 metres lower than during normal conditions with no gondola on that section of the cable. Since the pilot needed to be as high as possible above ground, but just below the gondola, he must have assumed that by flying 4 or 5 metres below would not create any danger to the gondola. And when he realized something was not correct in his calculations it was too late to do anything about it.
The bloody snow really illustrates just how bad this accident was.
at the intro, I thought this was gonna be Switzerland's next invasion of Lichtenstein
comedy gold
Love all your content. I think you should start a "I shouldn't be alive" style of series to compliment this series
I like that actually. he should definitely consider that.
Wouldn't that just be tales from the bottle tho?
agreed
@@ARCHIVEgeminope tales from the bottle is just random shit from history, its a miscellaneous category honestly.
@@quappo As someone said in the comments to one of those videos, the only thing separating a Tales from the Bottle and a Last Moments is the funny illustrations.
The US has a serious problem when it come to acquitting people who do wrong doings in the military, especially when it comes to war crimes and terrible "Accidents" such as this
The US punishes war criminals severely. Any time you hear that some guy accused of war crimes was let go, you should assume you aren't getting the full story.
Your channel helped me get through an unbelievably stressful move, being able to put you on and learn a cool story from a funny man with a nice voice has been such a treat. Keep it up my guy
This is such a wholesome comment.
@@Stevie-J reality check: you know between nothing and zero about this person, because this is the internet. Are you ok? It's not really a comment that's worth speculating about to the degree you are, so is something else bothering you?
@@hq4287 💀
The video did not mention that initially the Italian police officers tried to take the four pilots under custody, but were not allowed to and then the pilots were quickly moved away and concealed from local authority. After so many years the impact this incident had on every Italian and the consequent coverup by the US is still vivid and the sense of unfairness is still widely spread. Italy has been open to host American comrades and was not expecting this from a loyal ally. Nobody forgot.
This incident was referenced in the sopranos
During the Italy episode Paulie tries to talk to an old Italian guy. He responded “You cut out ski-lift cable”
Someone else commented that apparently that wasn't scripted... some random Italian was mad enough about the incident that he approached who he thought was a random American 0_0
I don't know that for sure, just from a comment above yours!
@@revenevan11 yeah. Apparently he wasn’t an extra, just an angry local.
& as usual spotting (fat) merican is easy
They hit the ground at 86 miles per hour after falling for 4 seconds.
with a resounding W~A~P...
It wasn't so high 250ft is only 76 metres. Some cable cars can be suspended over much higher distances.
@@chatteyj 3:15 he says that the cable car fell about 250 feet. Plug that into a free-fall calculator (ignores a slight bit of wind resistance). I've checked it against two calculators and both say about 4 seconds fall time, 86 mph at impact.
@@chatteyj Plenty do, I lived in that region and remember that incident well.
The point of the cable car is to stop you from falling that kind of distance while moving you around.
@@pyro226 the coefficient of drag and terminal velocity aren’t the same as a person. Also, with the cable there may have been some upward momentum from the snap to prolong hang time before falling.
This is not the only slap on the wrist incident for US military. September 4 2006 Over zealous US A-10 pilots did a strafing run on a Canadian military staging area. Mark Anthony Graham died and many were wounded as a result. There was a cockpit recording circulating of the event. They reacted before clearance was given and should of had the situation awareness to realize they operating over friendly troops.
Fog of war in full effect.
Canada should have counter attacked US forces at once. That was as good as a declaration of war!
I love this series, Qxir. Something about pondering the sobering realities for those living their last moments brings me back down to earth.
Maybe it is something complex having to do with the human fascination over tragedy.
Or perhaps it is as simple as being reminded that my own troubles at this moment in time are, in fact, very very small.
VMAQ-2 had an immediate “secret” all hands meeting at the officer’s club and the CO told all to turn over video/photos of the entire deployment. They “smoked” everything with an ECM under one of the prowler’s. They had another meeting to request all material handed over when they got back to Cherry Point at Hancock Lodge and every marine could truthfully say “I don’t have anything to give”. My unit MWSS-271 and 274 were with VMAQ-2 at Aviano that night and the press arrived before the plane landed. It was parked in an enclosed hanger and we had to put up triple strand concertina around the perimeter and set up light sets to keep people from rushing the hanger! We didn’t know what happened at the time. We thought another prowler blacked out Europe with their ECM crap again like a few deployments ago. It was definitely a goat fuck from the beginning and I still have no clue why Clinton didn’t want that aviator prosecuted. If we fucked up out in town for way less of a crime like getting into a bar fight we definitely would get double-dipped by the UCMJ and local authorities. It was 100% a joy ride and they screwed the pooch plain and simple
If you're going to invent stuff, just make it believable. Wasn't "all hands" or I would have been there, I was aircraft maintenance chief; it was an officer's call. And you can't "smoke" anything under a prowler on the ground; the EMC jammer pods don't work that way.
The press did not arrive before the aircraft landed. I know, I was there.
The fact the the snow is red in your last picture is the most haunting of all
the endings of the last moments videos always give me mad chills
Disgusting that our Marines could conduct themselves like this. From the men killing 20 people to them not being held responsible and punished by their peers. Another stain on their honor that can't be washed out now.
My grandfather and his Corps brothers were pissed and disappointed that the crew dissembled. Fucking up is bad, lying about it is anathema.
@@mbryson2899 I bet!
Pound sand, anti-American.
really great work telling the story of such a horrific event, not passing judgement or trying to lead the audience and really showing the wider geopolitical impact of such incidents
The amount of incompetence and negligence in the US military and it's contractors that is swept under the rug and dismissed is beyond comprehension,this just happened to get a lot of press because it was impossible to cover up quickly and neatly.
Least worm-brained anti-American.
Incompetence would imply that they don’t know what to do. They do. But they don’t care as long as the lives at risk aren’t American and they can cover up their asses.
Wow this is just a case of typical American lack of justice.
plane & simple
And that will never change.
It's hard to bury negligence with photos of 150 pints of blood in fresh snow.
How many thousands of gallons of blood did italians spill when italians join ww2 on hitlers side?
Years ago when I was station in Italy. There was still sensitivity about this incident. Tragic. I used an Italian cable car yesterday and recalled the tragedy. I’m disappointed in the crew’s bad actors.
The Marine Corps does pride itself on core values and principles. It’s why I joined. Unfortunately there are bullies, misogynists, and shit people. They are few, but it takes better men to step up to bullies.
That’s for covering it! Love your content, Semper Fidelis.
No it wasn’t a few bullies or misogynists. The corps is rotten at the core. Following this tragedy, the entire marine corps encircled their wagons and hid the truth in order to protect their cowardly asses.
Core values indeed.
Killing these people makes the marines a terrorist group
Being an aviation enthusiast, I’ve never heard of this accident. I was left in awe. Great video. Thank you for shedding light on this tragedy, Rest In Peace to all twenty victims.
I remember this vividly. The outrage wasnt just in Italy, it was all over Europe. This was just another in a long long string of incidents of Americans behaving irresponsibly and/or criminally with impunity, with the US always refusing to let them face local justice, always claiming they will do it themselves, and then letting them off with a slap on the wrist or nothing at all, regardless of the offense. All the while giving insincere platitude and condescending smiles to the victims - both persons and countries. This, however, was the worst yet. Not just in the severity of it, but also outrageous cover-up, repeatedly lies, destruction of evidence from both the pilots and the Navy after their investigation.
Its been many years since then. But if u Americans think, its been forgotten, think again.
This video is a short version of the incident (I refuse to call it an accident). I hope, u Americans watching it feel ashamed. And when u wonder, why u arent beloved around the world, which most of u seem to think, ur entitled to, then remember this. And then remember, that this is, how u treated 1 of ur closest allies, who was most deserving of better than this disgusting treatment.
I didnt have to see that awful picture again of the wreck of the cable car with blood and gore all over the snow, coz even after all these years its still burned in my memory. I have never forgotten. And Im not even Italian.
didn't read, don't care
Civis Americanum sum.
@@natowaveenjoyer9862BASED
GTA San Andreas in a nutshell, jet just flying around and hitting stuff
...and people
My dude this isn't good taste
Dang. Video has only been up for like 15 minutes, and you've already got over a thousand likes.
Ya blowing up, Qxir!
First time I have watch this YT channel and this video was a gem.
True dat
The fact that so many people (regardless of whether they served in the military, the police, or on the railroad) are subsequently found to be "in breach of regulations" when accidents occur provides insight into the true purpose of regulations.
The longer hair and you being more confident in showing your face during videos and explaining in person really adds to overall quality. Keep up the great work.
I do so love the "last moments" and "tales from the bottle" series, I think they've been my favorites. I liked the "100 deadly tips" by the the CIA dude but more because they were so good and plainly outdated and useless, it was a right laugh. Whereas the first two and top quality that teaches me things I wouldn't know and (especially the last moments video's) makes me feel and ponder things I probably wouldn't have otherwise. All in all, all video's you make are great for one reason or another in my opinion, and the use and style of animation is fantastic. Thank you for the content, we appreciate it ::)
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You should do a piece on Lt. Colonel Bud Holland. An arrogant B-52 bomber pilot. He frequently put both his crew and aircraft at risk with reckless stunts. His Command was unwilling to discipline him. As a result, Holland's careless nature led to his death and his entire crew when their bomber crashed turning a rehearsal in front of friends and family.
And it was one of the crew member's retirement that day too.
@@Calvin_Coolage Welp seems like it was doomed from the start.
@@Firewordien Indeed. To add to the woes, on top of the crash happening during a crewmember's retirement flight, the bomber also crashed beside a storage bunker for nuclear weapons.
3:24 Look at that blood. LOOK AT THAT BLOOD 😨😨😨😨
I took that cable car long after it happened. I didn’t know the story. I was looking down and saw a bunch of cable on the ground. Later, I asked someone about it and they told me that was the cable left from the crashed cable car. They just left the cable there on the ground!
in plane sight...
Lol why would they never retrieve it?
@@thetayz72 why would they retrieve it
@@Z6D4C4 So people don't ask why it's there
@@thetayz72 It was a long time ago when I was there. I think the person I spoke with said it was too difficult to remove. It was running all the way along the side of a mountain. It’s heavy and long. I remember it was snaked over rocks and ice (it’s just below a glacier). The slope up the mountain is steep. Maybe it’s been removed by now. It’s been 20 years since I was there.
Can I be 'that guy' that points out the Prowler wasn't a "fighter" jet? Fighter jets are designed for air-to-air combat, the Prowler was electronic warfare.
Loved this video. Back in the early 90s, there was another incident involving a military plane crashing into civilian infrastructure, killing several and maiming about 100 people or so, too. It kinda got swept under the rug back then, since it was a domestic matter in Italy. Would be nice if you could make a video about that one, too. I know how much time and effort you put into these videos, and just wanted to let you know that we all appreciate it. The name of that incident I mentioned was something along the lines of “Italian MB-326 crash - 1990.” Should be fairly easy to find. Thank you again. ♥️
Even if the altitude thing was malfunctioning was the guy really trying to say that he couldn't tell the difference between 300ft and 2000ft.
Have you ever flown a low level route over mountainous terrain?
Seeing the snow stained in blood is one of the most horrifying real things I've seen
You should see tye murder that italians did while fighting with hitler during ww2. disgusting the way the italians acted, supporting hitler, murdering the Allies, participating in hitlers racial murders. F italy,
I’m going to speak for your mom, get a haircut.
It always amazes me how many deaths arise from military training.
I was in the EU Germany when this happened. There was alot of talk about a helicopter that was avoided thus contributed to this. We were banned from unofficial travel ect. At that point I burned my shirt ," KISS ME IM AMERICAN!"
Just a note that the EA-6 Prowler is an electronic warfare aircraft and not a fighter jet that can engage other aircraft. The missles that it can be seen carrying are for engaging ground radars.
They should have been tried in an Italian court, it was the only way justice would have been served. Ask the parents of Harry Dunn about American justice.
US justice system sucks. As an American, I know that. It works exactly as intended: letting the rich go free, using the poor for profit in prisons....
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Never read a SOFA have you?
Boo hoo foreigner, Stars and Stripes forever.
@@natowaveenjoyer9862 Arrogant 'patriots' like you are the reason the rest of the world loathes Americans.
Keep it up...
Absolutely disgusting that no one was punished for this. 65 000$ as a first compensation is an absolute insult.
My heart goes out to the victims.
Holy mole. I saw you're videos before and I wasn't picturing the way you really look. Nice to see you bro. Great vids man
Hey mate I’ve been having a really happy and productive time lately and your videos have really helped me through these uncomfortable times so thanks 🙏
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THAT was a flashback from hell.
I'll never forget that literal bloodbath. Great video. Very well narrated. Amazing how you managed to remain so professional and objective.
Everybody knew these poor 20 people died because those loose cannons played "Top Gun". And tried to "top" the movie.
Unfortunately the plane and all contents were not immediately seized upon landing to preserve evidence of the alleged accident, and that gave them enough time to swap out the tape, get their stories somewhat lined up and plant enough doubt to discredit witness reports.
At least the two sidekicks had some conscience and struck a deal, or this would have ended in some dusty archive, to be forgotten.
I remember that the Italians tried everything to prevent the crew from leaving the country. But we all know how things work once the mighty US military (and government in general) shifts into high gear when it comes to covering up. Remember the Japan rape cases? Same basic handling.
Again, great video and thanks for bringing this incident back up to the surface.
I'm surprised that you were able to find some of the crime scene pictures that had not been sanitized too much.
Still haunting as Hell.
Note that this isn't Air Force,
It's Marine Corps.
This is relevant.
Yes but do you know how many nukes the airforce has dropped on foreign soil I'll give you a hint it's more than two
Lower intelligence requirement to get into USMC. Sorry, just a fact
@@noydb2148 Sounds like you were rejected for service in the Corps by either an OSO or recruiter.
By the way, what was your GT?
@@AA-xo9uw and if you're wrong that means two things
One, that you're a grouchy old f*** with no sense of humor
you consider going down to the Legion as military service
This is why you always have someone to check who’s flying. If they’re literally breaking the law and do reckless stuff, they should be fired.
You are so dedicated, I hadn’t watched the channel in about 3 months and there’s so many videos to bench thank you
I'm not easily shocked at all but that photo with the red snow... That hit me hard.
What a sad story, and what a tragic way for what should've been a wonderful experience for so many innocent people. May they rest in peace and may this truth continue to be told so that nothing like it ever happens again.
Thanks as always, Qxir, for bringing our attention to this and so many other crazy things that happen in this wide, dark world of ours. Without you, I'd never have heard of it.
i always love your videos man, keep it up
FYI - Freefall from 250 feet would take a little over 4 seconds before impact.
That's correct, based on a freefall and setting air drag and force imposed by the cable between the cabin and the station where it was NOT cut as negligible. I talked to a local car mechanic who said that he saw the cable car fall and it was probably all much more complicated than a simple free fall. It was very interesting to listen to his story and I trust him, he was a nice older local guy, very friendly and easy going and he fixed my car for a fraction of the price that other garages asked for. But anyway, he said that he was taking a car for a test drive somewhere on the road below the cable car, stopping on the side to check something. Then suddenly the roar of the Prowler came out of nowhere, but he was used to it as they apparently flew low often in that area. Then he heard something and noticed the yellow cable car falling and disappearing behind trees so he rushed to the scene, being the 2nd person (after a man on a walk with his dog) there. What he said was that the cabin was crashed upside down, which seemed interesting to me, but I imagine the movement of the plane didn't only cause it to fall, but created like a "spinning effect" due to the high speed impact with the cable, which is attached to the cabin at its top... So the cabin must have turned upside down at least once during the fall. I also asked him how long it took for the cabin to fall and he said it was about 10 seconds between hearing the roar of the plane and seing the cabin disappearing behind the trees. The height he said was about 90 metres so 10 seconds does seem to me long, but he said he didn't see the actual plane at all, he just heard it and he saw the cabin while it was disappearing behind the trees so didn't see the whole fall. I would say 3-4 seconds is more appropriate, but there was clearly much more dynamics involved than simply "cut the cable and free fall". It was very nice talking to this chap, but I didn't ask him more questions as he was telling with tears in his eyes how he came to the cabin with blood everywhere and 1 body outside. The body was the cabin attendant and his friend. And on top of all this, he saw this same cable car crash back in 1976 as well. That fall he saw from start to finish, apparently the cabin was starting and stopping, swinging a lot and then the cable snapped and cabin fell. That fall was apparently from 70 metres high and what he said was that the cabin started to fall, then the wind blew against it and held it mid-air while the cable was still connected to the bottom station (he said it looked like a flying kite), and then after about 10 seconds it fell and crashed. I don't believe the "kite" effect as the cabin weighs about 3 tons by itself and with 43 people on board you'd need a tornado to "hold it mid-air", but it may have looked like that as he saw that fall from Cavalese, so looking from above. Anyway, a nice and very friendly guy, but what he's been through sounds scary...
The fact that this flight crew ignored regulations and rules is enough. They should have been at a much higher altitude, and moving slower, regardless of anything else. These guys are guilty.
I think something similar happened to Sqaw Valley cable car in USA in the 1970s or early 80's. Jigback cable cars with two ropes, 1 (or 2) supporting, 1 hauling the cabins are more vunerable to being hit by a plane, handglider, paraglider or helicopter as their pylons are often much higher above the ground and span greater distances than chairlifts or gondolas. Thus, its not uncommon to see orange or yellow plastic balls threaded onto a steel wire hung above the cable car or gondola lift to make it more visible.
Moral of the story…….CABLE CARS ARE DANGEROUS ON THEIR OWN…..STAY OFF OF THEM!
But they are statistically still about 50 times safer than the safest drivers on an average US road.
Always good seeing notifications from your channel! :)
True enough
A 2000 foot hard deck is an absolute. Flying at 300 feet with a 'malfunctioning altimeter' is against regulations and the crew should NOT have been in the low altitude structure at all!
The Marines should be ashamed.
Never heard about this. You told the story very well and the photographs further emphasizes how horrible this was.
4.5 months for 20 lives, no justice could have been achieved in this situation
Post more! I can’t get enough!
Hey qxir have you heard of the RUclips channel horror stories you both cover some of the same stories yet you both do a amazing job at telling them.
I thought this was another well constructed video from you. Not overly dramatic, just to the point, informative and well narrated. Keep up the great work and thank you for sharing this story with us.
I swear to god, this fella is the best narrator the world has ever known… I really hope, by now, he has gotten a good, solid career in a much bigger Industry that the RUclips Community, he deserves it…
maybe i'm the wierd one here but, it seems odd to me that it's so rare for a person to actually take responsability for their faults. what is wrong with these people?
where lawyers & insurance companies rule pointing the finger is the tool🙉💥😛👈
no one wants to go to prison even if you feel guilty. especially not military prison.
@@jobdylan5782 Without knowing anything about military prison, I would assume it's far, far better than regular prison with its assortment of all the worst thugs, gangsters, murderers, and psychos.
@@bricaaron3978 its not lol
@@jobdylan5782 I'm listening -- explain why. As I said, I don't know anything about military prison, but I know about state prisons and I can't imagine how military prison could be worse.
Another Great video! Though, the EA-6B isn't a fighter aircraft. It is an electronic warfare and anti-radiation ground attack aircraft. They were lots of fun to work on!
This is true
My heart hurts trying to imagine the family members trying to comprehend what/how this is not reality. RIP❤
This might be my favorite YT channel. Thank you Qxir.
Keep up the good work on the uploads! Every video is 🔥🔥
It happens a lot. American military personnel and their dependants escaping justice in the country they committed their crime. Drunk American soldiers running people over then getting a fine (Happened here in the UK). Also other more unsavoury crimes.
Would you rather we not be there?
How's your Russian?
Shh you yanks are terrified of Russians
@@bbeen40 I'd prefer it if justice prevailed. Commit a crime, face the consequences. Unless that is too hard a concept for you to grasp?
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I don't want American servicemen anywhere near a court system that jails people for wrong-speak. We'll defend you helpless wankers but I'd rather they go free than get caught up in your woke nonsense. If you don't like it defend yourselves.
@@morganlee4321
Well we do have civilization -ending nukes pointed at each other so ....
Even though Ashby served time for obstruction, the time he spent was 6 days 18 hrs, roughly, for each person he killed.
@@Stevie-J there’s not a lot to do in changing anything now. But you must agree that the time served is inadequate, and even today it disgusts Americans and Italians alike that this was brushed away. My cousin served more time in prison for having accidentally exposed himself while a minor was present at a house party.
I agree, however, that the hive minded impulse to be some sort of post traumatic “revolutionary of justice” is getting old and does not and has not changed anything.
You never heard of a thing called empathy, Stevie J? From what i read from you in the comment sections of Qxirs Videos, you take pride in making insensitive jokes about dead people, have zero empathy and come off as Murica first. How dare those spaghetti eaters say something against "muh army". You should definitely check for psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies. Having zero empathy is always a bad sign.
@@Stevie-J
Hadewich Antonissen (24, Vechelderzande), Belgian;
Stefan Bekaert (28, Leuven), Belgian;
Dieter Frank Blumenfeld (47, Burgstädt), German;
Rose-Marie Eyskens (24, Kalmthout), Belgian;
Danielle Groenleer (20, Apeldoorn), Dutch;
Michael Pötschke (28, Burgstädt), German;
Egon Uwe Renkewitz (47, Burgstädt), German;
Marina Mandy Renkewitz (24, Burgstädt), German;
Maria Steiner-Stampfl (61, Bressanone), Italian;
Ewa Strzelczyk (37, Gliwice), Polish;
Philip Strzelczyk (14, Gliwice), Polish;
Annelie (Wessig) Urban (41, Burgstädt), German;
Harald Urban (41, Burgstädt), German
Sebastian Van den Heede (27, Bruges), Belgian;
Marcello Vanzo (56, Cavalese), operator of the downhill cabin, Italian;
Stefaan Vermander (27, Assebroek), Belgian;
Anton Voglsang (35, Vienna), Austrian;
Sonja Weinhofer (22, born in Munich, domiciled in Vienna), Austrian;
Jürgen Wunderlich (44, Burgstädt), German;
Edeltraud Zanon-Werth (56, born in Innsbruck, living in Bressanone), Italian.
I bet that families of this people care about your dishonorable discharge and how unfair that was for you, because so many morons before you did exactly the same and they were not punished for it... "muh injustice".
Your comments only proves that not putting you in jail was a very bad move as you clearly did not lear anything...
$60,000 a piece is a fucking insult considering how bloated and wasteful US military spending is. Should be at least a few million USD per body.
at least...
>bloated and wasteful
lmao no
@@natowaveenjoyer9862 trillions of dollars spent in the middle east over the last 20 years for what to show exactly??
@@natowaveenjoyer9862 Another trillion for F-35 fighter that never got put to use. If we were spending this on education, something makes me think you'd not like that spending.
@@MackeyDeeez No shit I don't want more education spending, I hate teachers unions, consider mass literacy a mistake (just look at Twitter) and I like fighter jets. And the fact you believe the F-35 isn't being put to use shows your utter ignorance lmfao.
another banger, you’re likely the most interesting irish youtuber out there right now
Your typical, "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoings were committed."
Those 4 guys should be happy to be alive.
No way to eject at that speed and altitude, if a wing gets cut off.
Usually it's the cable that cuts the wing, not the other way round, it's only because the cable got caught on a pylon that acted as wire cutter, similar to the wirecutter horn on UH1 helicopters.
Ooooooh so that’s what that spike above the cockpit is for! I thought it was an antenna of some kind
they shoud be happy they aren't rotting in prison
"Those 4 guys should be happy to be alive."
Raney passed away a few years ago. Although he remained on active duty he was never promoted past Major unlike that POS Seagraves who cut a deal with prosecutors and wound up retiring as a Colonel. Raney ended up getting hosed by the infamous big green weenie.
Not sure why they wouldn't be able to eject. The EA-6B has zero-zero ejection seats with a maximum speed of over 650kt. As long as the plane wasn't upside down, an ejection at 300ft and 500mph would probably be survivable.
@@sgthop The lift of the remaining wing likely will spin the plane much faster than anyone could think and pull the handle.
Guess it would be up to luck, in which position the plane ends up, when the seat gets shot out, if they even manage it in time, at least on F14, pilots/WSO eject with time delay so they don't crash into each other.
So, my fear of ski lifts isnt so stupid after all 🤔
But they are still about 50 times safer than cars which most people drive everyday.
As long as you americans don't try and murder innocents, cable cars are pretty safe
the story is one of the craziest ones ive heard so far
I didn't know Qxir had viewers in hell. Does Blitz watch too, or just you?
@@GetDougDimmadomed im not sure if he watches
Honestly couldn't believe these men were allowed to get away with the carnage they caused with virtually no punishment. Directly after this happened they denied ever having hit the cable in the first place to try and buy themselves time to flee, despite knowing for a fact that they HAD hit the cable. At every turn these men did the wrong thing - they flew recklessly for fun, were filming themselves doing it, lied about hitting the cable, lied about faulty instruments, destroyed evidence, and at least two of them lied under oath. If I caused the death of multiple people, lied that I was even involved, destroyed evidence, lied to investigators about the cause when it became known I was involved, then lied under oath about the cause of the accident I'd be in jail for the rest of my life. No way in hell someone up high wasn't protecting them.
The Navy lost several Prowlers to mysterious circumstances. One crashed at NAS Whidbey Island, the pilot ejecting and parachuting down to the golf course. Someone ran out of the clubhouse and offered him a drink.