I love that you show what training looks like from scratch rather than after you have already partially trained the behavior, it gives a good idea of what a true reaction from the dog might be at first, even though it will vary between dogs. I would be curious to see how more head-strong breeds like newfoundlands act on first attempts…
Nate you are a Legend. I try to instruct people that food can be a reward, but must only be paid after a marker is given. The amount of pairing, or as you call it “Overshadowing” in public classes is hard to watch and even harder to convince the handler to stop. Your demonstration and explanation here were brilliant. Keep up the good work, I am certainly a fan.
I accidentally taught my adult adopted GSD the "wrong" (I used "nope".) command and only realized what it was when I heard you talking about it. :) It is a tremendously useful communication and he understands it very well. We seem to have confused him with the 'on your bed' command, he often goes and lies next to it or vaguely in that part of the room and it requires some body pressure to get him to get up and go on his bed. I need to think a bit more about what we've been doing so I can clear up the communication for him (And me.).
Wow, There were several details and nuances I had heard before but seeing them demonstrated was really helpful. It was also really helpful to let us know when you are demonstrating with a new-to-you dog/puppy. This not only gives us more information on how to work through difficult spots with our dogs in similar situations but also reassures us this is "normal". Not every behavior is a walk-in-the-park, easy-to-grasp concept and those will vary from dog to dog.
Thank you. A great step by step training video. It is so important to know all the little steps to make it easier for the dog to understand. If we as dog owners are doing a good job, we get these super effects, and the dog is able to learn without confusion. This is the first command I show to my old dogs that I adopt from a nearby shelter. Every old dog that I adopted learnt this command easily. They are willing to do their very best! ❤
Thanks! Absolutely! I'm so glad to hear that you found the video helpful. The step-by-step approach is indeed crucial to successful training, and it's great that you're applying these techniques with the older dogs you adopt. These dogs are often overlooked, yet they're incredibly capable of learning and showing their best. Thank you for giving them a loving home and for taking the time to train them patiently. Your work is a testament to the fact that old dogs can indeed learn new tricks. Keep up the fantastic work! :)
@Nate Schoemer Thank you. Yes, old dogs are so wonderful. They can learn everything if their health allows it. And I can learn so much from them.😊 Thank you for what you are doing. Everyone who leads your training can become a better pet owner.❤️🐾
Great video. Our current house set up has never worked to have a place cot. We use our crate currently in a similar way. But we are moving this summer and might use a place cot more if the living room doesn’t have space for our dogs big crate. Very useful video.
How do you do a marker with a dog deaf from birth? We are trying to train her to a dog bed to prevent her from anxiety and whining when we don't allow her on our bed.
any tips on a climb target that is further away? we started doing climb and it works with the verbal command when I'm close to the dog bed, but a bit further and she is lost
Yes, say the command at a distance and then start the physical cue that prompts the dog to perform the behavior. It doesn't matter at the beginning if you have to walk all the way to the climb to get the dog to perform the behavior. After enough repetitions, when you give the command, the dog should perform without the help of the physical cue. Keep in mind that the length of the physical cue doesn't matter as long as you don't lose the dog's focus, similar to how we teach commands from a distance when we are training without a training partner. You can see what I mean in this video: ruclips.net/video/dK-VC7xC-OI/видео.html.
I was working on this today and noticed my pup would break the stay. I'd say wrong and she would go back and I would say good girl without providing a treat. After 10 seconds I would say yes and provide a treat. I have found that she keeps breaking the stay thinking it is a behavior I want. Any advice on how I can stop that. Should I just stop the verbal praise when she goes back on?
There are several strategies you can employ, each dependent on your dog's current understanding of commands and reinforcements. In this example, we'll focus on the 'bed stay,' but keep in mind that this process is applicable to all other types of stay commands: If your dog: 1) Responds to the 'bed/climb' command verbally without the help of the physical cue. 2) Responds to the 'wrong' command by going back. You can introduce a correction for reliability. When the dog breaks the stay, say 'no' instead of 'wrong'. This serves as a marker for positive punishment or correction. Then, correct the dog using a leash pop or a remote training collar (ensure the dog understands the correction is from you). After correction, reissue the 'climb' command and assist the dog if needed. Follow this regardless of the dog's reaction to 'no'. Yes, correct even if they go back to the bed. If not, they will learn to break the stay as long as they return when 'no' is said. If your dog: 1) Understands the 'bed/climb' command verbally 2) Doesn't return to 'climb' when 'wrong' is used Continue using 'wrong' when the dog breaks and guide them back until they start going back without your physical cue. Once you observe this, you can start implementing corrections for reliability. If your dog: 1) Doesn't understand the 'bed/climb' command verbally 2) Doesn't return to 'climb' when 'wrong' is used Keep reinforcing both commands until your dog responds to them verbally, then introduce corrections as described in the first scenario.
I start teaching the puppy the action of going to the bed at 8 weeks of age, but I don't start reinforcing the stay until the dog is closer to 7-9 months of age. However, it's perfectly okay to introduce the 'stay' command earlier, as young as 10 weeks, if you follow a specific approach. In my practice, I make sure to separate 'stay' training from our regular, more dynamic sessions. This means I dedicate specific sessions exclusively to teaching various 'stay' commands, without including activities that involve a lot of movement. Another set of sessions focuses on actions that encourage movement and excitement. This method allows for focused training on each aspect, preventing confusion. While this approach has worked well for me, it's important to acknowledge that there are many effective training methods out there. I encourage my students and friends to explore and adopt the strategy that best aligns with them and their dog's needs. Remember, what's most important is finding a method that feels right for you. This subject, among others, has further inspired me to expand my list of articles to write, diving deeper into such topics to share my experiences and insights. It's a fascinating area with much to explore, and I look forward to contributing to the ongoing conversation about effective dog training practices. Thank you for your comment. :)
I love that you show what training looks like from scratch rather than after you have already partially trained the behavior, it gives a good idea of what a true reaction from the dog might be at first, even though it will vary between dogs. I would be curious to see how more head-strong breeds like newfoundlands act on first attempts…
I thought 22 minutes was alot for a bed stay video but this guy just packs in so much useful information it was awesome
Nate you are a Legend. I try to instruct people that food can be a reward, but must only be paid after a marker is given. The amount of pairing, or as you call it “Overshadowing” in public classes is hard to watch and even harder to convince the handler to stop. Your demonstration and explanation here were brilliant. Keep up the good work, I am certainly a fan.
This is such a great video. Having issues with my Flatcoated retriever to lie down.
Thanks Nate!
I accidentally taught my adult adopted GSD the "wrong" (I used "nope".) command and only realized what it was when I heard you talking about it. :) It is a tremendously useful communication and he understands it very well. We seem to have confused him with the 'on your bed' command, he often goes and lies next to it or vaguely in that part of the room and it requires some body pressure to get him to get up and go on his bed. I need to think a bit more about what we've been doing so I can clear up the communication for him (And me.).
Very helpful instruction to get MY training mechanics right so my dog can learn without confusion.
I love the little reminders of timing all through out your videos
I really like your updated videos! Keep them up, they are really helpful.
Wow, There were several details and nuances I had heard before but seeing them demonstrated was really helpful. It was also really helpful to let us know when you are demonstrating with a new-to-you dog/puppy. This not only gives us more information on how to work through difficult spots with our dogs in similar situations but also reassures us this is "normal". Not every behavior is a walk-in-the-park, easy-to-grasp concept and those will vary from dog to dog.
Yes and thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed it! :)
Fantastic explanation of the "Go to Bed" and "Stay" commands!
Thank you. A great step by step training video. It is so important to know all the little steps to make it easier for the dog to understand. If we as dog owners are doing a good job, we get these super effects, and the dog is able to learn without confusion. This is the first command I show to my old dogs that I adopt from a nearby shelter. Every old dog that I adopted learnt this command easily. They are willing to do their very best! ❤
Thanks! Absolutely! I'm so glad to hear that you found the video helpful. The step-by-step approach is indeed crucial to successful training, and it's great that you're applying these techniques with the older dogs you adopt. These dogs are often overlooked, yet they're incredibly capable of learning and showing their best. Thank you for giving them a loving home and for taking the time to train them patiently. Your work is a testament to the fact that old dogs can indeed learn new tricks. Keep up the fantastic work! :)
@Nate Schoemer Thank you. Yes, old dogs are so wonderful. They can learn everything if their health allows it. And I can learn so much from them.😊 Thank you for what you are doing. Everyone who leads your training can become a better pet owner.❤️🐾
Timing instruction is helpful
10:30 don't just say "place place place" because the dog doesnt know the command. Dog jumps on place anyway 😂
😅😅😅😅
Great video. Our current house set up has never worked to have a place cot. We use our crate currently in a similar way. But we are moving this summer and might use a place cot more if the living room doesn’t have space for our dogs big crate. Very useful video.
Always excellent!
6:08 pm 7/30/23 would like to know how long a dog should be expected to perform each stay
How do you do a marker with a dog deaf from birth? We are trying to train her to a dog bed to prevent her from anxiety and whining when we don't allow her on our bed.
Can a crate be used as the “place”?
I want to train but after there used to treats and u stop the treats they'll qut perform
any tips on a climb target that is further away? we started doing climb and it works with the verbal command when I'm close to the dog bed, but a bit further and she is lost
Yes, say the command at a distance and then start the physical cue that prompts the dog to perform the behavior. It doesn't matter at the beginning if you have to walk all the way to the climb to get the dog to perform the behavior. After enough repetitions, when you give the command, the dog should perform without the help of the physical cue. Keep in mind that the length of the physical cue doesn't matter as long as you don't lose the dog's focus, similar to how we teach commands from a distance when we are training without a training partner. You can see what I mean in this video: ruclips.net/video/dK-VC7xC-OI/видео.html.
I was working on this today and noticed my pup would break the stay. I'd say wrong and she would go back and I would say good girl without providing a treat. After 10 seconds I would say yes and provide a treat. I have found that she keeps breaking the stay thinking it is a behavior I want. Any advice on how I can stop that. Should I just stop the verbal praise when she goes back on?
There are several strategies you can employ, each dependent on your dog's current understanding of commands and reinforcements. In this example, we'll focus on the 'bed stay,' but keep in mind that this process is applicable to all other types of stay commands:
If your dog:
1) Responds to the 'bed/climb' command verbally without the help of the physical cue.
2) Responds to the 'wrong' command by going back.
You can introduce a correction for reliability. When the dog breaks the stay, say 'no' instead of 'wrong'. This serves as a marker for positive punishment or correction. Then, correct the dog using a leash pop or a remote training collar (ensure the dog understands the correction is from you). After correction, reissue the 'climb' command and assist the dog if needed. Follow this regardless of the dog's reaction to 'no'. Yes, correct even if they go back to the bed. If not, they will learn to break the stay as long as they return when 'no' is said.
If your dog:
1) Understands the 'bed/climb' command verbally
2) Doesn't return to 'climb' when 'wrong' is used
Continue using 'wrong' when the dog breaks and guide them back until they start going back without your physical cue. Once you observe this, you can start implementing corrections for reliability.
If your dog:
1) Doesn't understand the 'bed/climb' command verbally
2) Doesn't return to 'climb' when 'wrong' is used
Keep reinforcing both commands until your dog responds to them verbally, then introduce corrections as described in the first scenario.
@@NateSchoemer thank you for that information I will continue to reinforcimg both as she listens to the verbal when she wants to.
How old do you start this place comment?
I start teaching the puppy the action of going to the bed at 8 weeks of age, but I don't start reinforcing the stay until the dog is closer to 7-9 months of age. However, it's perfectly okay to introduce the 'stay' command earlier, as young as 10 weeks, if you follow a specific approach. In my practice, I make sure to separate 'stay' training from our regular, more dynamic sessions. This means I dedicate specific sessions exclusively to teaching various 'stay' commands, without including activities that involve a lot of movement. Another set of sessions focuses on actions that encourage movement and excitement. This method allows for focused training on each aspect, preventing confusion. While this approach has worked well for me, it's important to acknowledge that there are many effective training methods out there. I encourage my students and friends to explore and adopt the strategy that best aligns with them and their dog's needs. Remember, what's most important is finding a method that feels right for you. This subject, among others, has further inspired me to expand my list of articles to write, diving deeper into such topics to share my experiences and insights. It's a fascinating area with much to explore, and I look forward to contributing to the ongoing conversation about effective dog training practices. Thank you for your comment. :)
Thats what im gonna do to!!!!! lol