Going to Jail for Your Users: Megaupload and Telegram
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Can a platform be held responsible for what its users do? In this video, we explore that question through the stories of two tech founders, Kim Dotcom (Megaupload) and Pavel Durov (Telegram). From jail cells to massive raids, we dive into how legal gray areas have sent people to prison for user-generated content, and why the rules aren't applied equally across companies. Is it fair, or should things change? Let's break it down.
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Yes
I miss the good old days of going to piratebay to download a movie cause Netflix didn't exist yet.
@@MarijnRoorda Piratebay is still going strong! And no, owners shouldn't always be liable for what happens on their platforms. The scope for charges would be infinite. The only grey area that could even be argued are things like negligence, willful disregard, pattern and practice, active promotion of certain activities,etc. And even in those cases its unclear. Its ethical to undermine things like the failed war on drugs. Illegal does not mean immoral.
Yes, beyond a certain point, you are complicit. It's called being the principal. As a boss, is it your fault when a subordinate acts poorly? Yes and no. Yes, because you are responsible for them and their actions. No, because they are their own individuals, but you will still suffer consequences.
No platform owners should not be held liable here, especially encrypted data
then mark zuckerberg larry page and sergey brin must've also been in jail
The big difference being the people you named don't ignore Federal Warrants.
They work with the government
The CIA financed Facebook.
No - But known illegal activity should be terminated and rules related need better definition. These ‘rules’ definitely harder every year with distributed services / shared ledger etc.
Wasn't the founder of Silk Road also charged with attempted murder, money laundering, mail fraud along with dozens of other crimes. freedom of speech martyr is not why he's serving life.
The number of criminals/illegal activity on your platform isn't what matters, it's the percentages of it. People upload illegal content on RUclips all the time, and it gets taken down all the time. But if that number is say 100,000 pirated videos taken down a day does that mean that we should lock up Google's CEO? 100,000 is quite low considering the fact that 3.7 million videos are uploaded daily.
First time I agree with Trump , let the Dread pirate out already that sentence is complete bullshit.
I think a lot of people are missing the nuances in the legality of these platforms. Obviously things like sex trafficking and unregulated weapons are common crimes in basically every country, but not every government practices rule of law and might bend the law to when determining what is legal.
If platforms set a precedent in complying with a government, what's stopping them from complying with another and invading their user's privacy?
Where do they draw the line? It's not as black and white as most people think it is.
"If platform set a precedent in complying with government", bro almost all platforms already do that.
I don't know where you are from, but those are not common crimes lol..
@@김모치-z1h yes it is in every country on the globe and including international waters. You're a little ignorant. The US specifically is highly involved in the sex trafficking with the cartels. Especially in California.
Such a shitty ending video.. We need to fix the source. Not the symptoms. If there are sick people sharing sick shit, why are they? Why are we punishing everyone for fighting the one decent app. It's just so fucked up.
You should keep in mind that in Europe there is no absolute free speech like in the USA. Be it France, Germany, or Slovenia, there is stuff that you cannot say in public (praising fascist regimes for an example), and some platforms have become public places with their popularity.
You can get jail time for showing a finger to a police officer.
This was an excellent summary. Thanks so much.
Law enforcement still has the same tools they've always had (pre-internet) to catch criminals and they need to use those.
If we end-to-end encryption is compromised, the loss of freedom and privacy to everyone everywhere will have a much greater cost than not being able to stop some bad guys online.
13:53 As an Engineer, Technical Founder, you guys did a surprising job at explaining this correctly. Good job.
Thank you for not making this video in HDR! So much better!
One thing i will fact check is that Napster was Not P2P and keep files on a server and thats why they were sued. Limewire was P2P and was around longer than Napster for that reason until streaming was invented
Great content, I think it's one of best videos you made so far.
Really level headed and full of all the proper context. Great breakdown
Neither of these are going, they are responsible only for the policy of the platform and for enforcing that policy, but not for what the users upload. However, the timing in 2012 is suspicions, looks like it is in sync also with the freeze of the Iranian assets. So, the real question which should be asked: was that platform propagating an invisible virus for a financial warfare and who was orchestrating the contracts for that? And that leads to the government...
_Given_ that Kim actively engaged in piracy in the past, using various levels of plausible deniability, it is reasonable to say this is more of the same. I'm not sure if this rises to "beyond a reasonable doubt" But it is "clear and convincing" that Kim meant this for piracy and used legitimate business purposes as cover. (In fairness, the lesson most people learn from prison is "don't get caught.")
When you say it is terrible that people believe "disinformation," my first thought is "as defined by whom?" I do not trust any proposed arbiter of truth. I cannot trust anyone to tell me what is and is not "disinformation."
I really don't think government cares about CSAM except as a tool to get people to support surveillance. If it cared, it would go after the people actually abusing the children. Instead, it plays whack-a-mole with the consumers. As long as the supply is there, there will always be consumers. Government can pretend it is "doing something." But producing the stuff is what is hard. It requires getting access to the children. This is something government could actually cut off -- if it wanted to.
legalize "piracy"
copywrong went way too far and only benefits the rich
PS it doesn't - and it has plenty of honeypots anyway. Govt cares about power, authority and its own butt.
Is it me or all American companies didn’t get touched 🤔
it is clear by now innit? another most horrid example would be NRA and gun manufacturers.. if they were held to the same standards, pheww...
No you shouldn't, plain and simple. It's madness to even consider it.
I don't understrand.
3:40 - He was born in 1974, so he was way past being underage when he committed that crime.
Well done - what a good way to tell a story
grifters are everywhere. they always come up with excuses.
Great video dude!
But Mega also have _that_ content in their platform. Why you didn’t talk about it?
Superb video and well explained.
Thanks 🙏
Why do you believe that law is applied to everyone the same way or that it should be?
jaja ame el contraste del background del Sanatorio Duran y un tema tan high tech
Don't strike the backdrop, strike the counteractor. TG is the backdrop and Defence Intelligence of Ukraine recognizes that at least by Budanov's claim
they just pick and choose when to abide by these laws. certain platforms get away with egregious tos' and algos and etc. but have the money, power and influence to get away with what their doing
Correction: Facebook is a ripoff of VK
Everything looks and sounds very sketchy ..
I love mega upload. ME-GA UP-LOAD. 🎶🎵
Dont forget Ross ulbricht
Hyoocrisy is what the govts roll by
yes and no
19:42 per day
Too late for pavel, genious yet the most stupid person he is.(for changing the rules.
yeah, a rusnya fighting for free speech and privacy, cool story bro. Tovarisch mayor was looking over his shoulder all along
Have you seen Kim's tweets las few years...? Jail cell can't come soon enough to that thing...
Explain?
@@patricksquires77 He's a Z shill.
Elaborate.
@@movement2contact nobody knows what "Z" is buddy
@@ILoveTinfoilHats I do, so that makes at least one person who does, proving you wrong.
Karma te percusit to pavel durov.
Piracy is horrible. But you shouldn't shoot the messenger.
SWEEDISH government? 😂
Bro did you just use RT as a source? 😂
Not a source, just the Wozniak interview.