GOLF CLUB REPAIR CONTEST / PGA TOUR SUPERSTORE vs GOLF GALAXY
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2021
- Who can repair these golf clubs better. We take two clubs from the same set to get reshafted at the PGA TOUR Superstore and at Golf Galaxy. Then we review them and score them. Who wins? Find out!
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Great video A.J. Loved the idea of checking on the asked for repairs! Keep up those great ideas!
Thanks Charles.
Great video!!! I’m just like you…little details makes me go crazy!!! Thanks for sharing!
Certain things I can let go, grip alignment I can't help but notice.
Awesome idea thanks for more unique insights into club building.
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.
Great video! I don’t have a PGA store near me, but GG is 2 miles away…They recently did a club for me and did a great job…I’ve had no issues with them so far…But, I think I’ll be doing my own clubs for the near future due to your sage guidance!
Excellent video! It confirms my experiences with these stores. Wildly inconsistent! Kinda also explains how I found your channel. Because of these stores inconsistency and the expense of golf equipment I’ve considered trying to learn more with a mind towards doing some of these things myself or at least be more informed as to what to look for and questions to ask when I do need to go to one of these stores.
You perfectly summed up a big reason I started this channel. Both to teach people how to do this stuff and help them understand what the golf club really does and not just the hype or gimmicks.
Dude i wish I was able to just damage my club on purpose and redo everything after getting it fixed. This is awesome man... 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Again, great video AJ. I agree it depends on who is doing the work and less about the overall company. The guy I trusted to do work was at Golf Galaxy and moved to the PGA Superstore. I continue to go to him for trust. If I am out of state and need repair on the fly, I go to the shop to ask the specific repair person lots of questions. That way I get an idea if I can trust them and they understand I will scrutinize the work. As always, your videos are about questions we all have and would like to know but not willing to test. Thanks!
I appreciate it. The other concern with the big retailers is are you getting the same person doing the work as who you spoke with originally? I have heard that story from a number of people.
@@EFGMC I make sure I talk to the person who will do the work. If not it is a roll of the dice. I am not willing to take that chance. I had a driver head come off and went to PGA Superstore where the guy I know I trust. Took we three trips until he was there.
This was genius. I dig it!
Appreciate it!
Wonderful video ! I’ve had a similar dodgy fit out with a Titleist order in Sydney where the irons were cut 1” shorter 7 iron was 36” and the weight of the 4 iron shaft was 100gms instead of 94 (AMT black shafts where each iron go progressively up by 3gms). This was a placed order not a fitting day order. I’m now able to check the build. Unfortunately, a general golfer does not have equipment or know how to check these faults.
Wow. That build was really bad. As you said, most people will never know. I just spec'ed a set of Srixon irons for someone ordered straight from the tour dept. Length on every one of the irons was wrong, as was the lie and or length (except the PW). And these are supposed to be better from tour department.
Great video! Really good content
Thanks for watching!
Great video
My local Golf Galaxy is great.Never had any issues with anything i needed done.I have been going there since '09.
Good deal. This video was tricky for me because I realize that two stores or even two employees could present vastly different results.
Really trying to highlight some things to look out for.
Great video once again! I think more people need to be aware that setting aren't always perfect and learn to check (or ask). I've had a lot of bad experiences, both buying used irons at golf stores and having them custom built at the factory. I finally bought my own SW scale and loft/lie checker.
I just spec-ed out a local pros new irons ordered directly from the OEMs tour dept. Every one of them was off on length, 7 of 8 were off on lie, and 3 were off on loft. This again was tour dept. order!
@@EFGMC Wow! That's frightening. Seems like quality control is not happening anymore.
@@EFGMC You're not going to believe this. I just got a new set of Srixon irons yesterday. All the specs were right on. However, when I looked at the information printed on the shafts 6 were "S" and one was "R". The shafts all look the same, so I would guess one R got in the S pile at the factory. :)
@@philr1924 What shaft is it? Just making sure it's not just a shaft band mistake.
@@EFGMC Modus 105. The regular and stiff look exactly the same.
Not that your L/L machine can be the same as their machine nor is just using either machine the accurate way to do it. As for the grip so hard to tell when "eye balling" alignment. So tough to be perfect and your eye is different from theirs. Fun vid either way and thank you.
With the grip installs, were they both straight relative to themselves (ie, not twisted), and did they avoid stretching or compressing the grip?
Yes. On straight as far as the sight hashes, just not straight in relation to the club face.
Appreciate your precision! Would have been extra points from me if they got the tip weight right and still accounted for the 1/16th of the tip weight flange when cutting to length. Craftsmanship opportunity missed.
That would really be going above and beyond. I never sweat anything less than 1/8 inch on length. Just inconsistencies in grip manufacturing can change the length by small margins.
@@EFGMC - Also, as you know, some companies measure club length before grip installtion (like TaylorMade) and some after. The ones who measure after grip installation (like Mizuno) end up slightly shorter. In this case, like you say, the clubs should have been measured for both swingweight and length before doing anything else which avoids that entirely. It used to drive me crazy when customers would bring in a broken club with only the head and lower section of the shaft. I would ask them what the original length was, what shaft if it wasn'r apparent, what flex, what grip & size. Often they had no idea. I would ask if they had the upper section of the broken shaft. They usually did not. I would ask them to bring in another wood or iron as appropriate from the same set if they had their clubs with them or ask if they could bring one in later. As a last resort we could make it to standard specs which we would look up.
I always get my grips logo down just to eliminate the chance of them being misaligned. Like you said a different store on a different day with a different employee could yield different results. Would be nice to do it myself but I have no space for any of the equipment needed 😞
I think if you are very specific with them, it works out better. Or at least they are more apt to fix it if they screw something up.
Did you ever try blowing the grips off with an air compressor? In my experience they come right off and you can reuse them, easier than cutting too
Probably should of. Was trying to wrap this video up as quick as I could because I kept running into delays.
you can only blow off new grips not old grips that have been used for a 1 month+
Do you mean those installed with double sided tape or masking tape? Or it doesn't matter?
@@billchuplis9460 blowing off grips that are taped on is a tricky situation but it's not impossible. A little solvent in the butt end of the club and the proper pressure in your compressor is absolutely necessary for success. The issue is that those amounts change depending on the type of grip and how old it is. It's very easy to explode a grip removing it with air.
I worked at golf galaxy...we never swing weighted any club we repaired....was told it took too much time....
Kind of figured that might be the company line for both. What happened if someone asked about swing weight?
@@EFGMC No one ever mentioned swing weight specifically...and as far as I know, no one complained...I brought it up when I first started...was told average player would not notice difference...what would be interesting is if you SPECIFICALLY mentioned swing weight and if they had the ability to do it correctly...which they should...LOVE your videos btw
@@jacklabrador6981 Thanks. Might need to do another video. This one I tried to really softball it for them with basic stuff. Would be interested to see what they do with a longer list of spec requests.
When I worked at PGA Tour Superstore in East Palo Alto, CA, our head clubmaker was an independent sort and would do things the right way no matter what management said. He moved to Idaho. I was the same way - a stickler for details. I caught several mistakes by newer, less experienced people before they went out the door. The head guy caught more. With Covid the store lost most of the rest of their experienced people. Some big box stores could have good clubmakers, but it is hit or miss. Small independent clubmakers (like A.J.) are usually a better bet. They have to do a good job or go out of business.
Great video, in the case of swing weight and lie angle miss, how is this translated into carry yards? Or offline hits? Are we losing much?
Swing weight is very personal. Some golfers won't notice differences so are very sensitive. The shaft will also flex differently if the weights are in a good progression. Again some golfers will notice more than others.
Lie angles impact depends on the club you are using. I did a video on this aways back.
ruclips.net/video/Dz7Cwk77394/видео.html
Way to go Golf Galaxy sticking to the PGA
Great comparison AJ. one issue on club length, my Golfworks ruler says on it to measure to the line below the end cap, I’ve always wondered if this was true ? In your video you actually measured to the end of the end cap. So which is correct ?
There are no rules for length so each manufacturer can do it however they want. Important thing is being consistent. Like I said in the video with the PGA club, the length was close enough that I wouldn't ever count it as wrong.
@@EFGMC thanks for clearing that up. Always wanted to know the real definition!
I am a club repair tech and my question for you is, how do you determine final length of a club if they have the Arccos sensors in the grip cap?
That’s a good question. I’ve never had anyone ask for those. I would just ask the customer what they want by explaining the sensor adds a half inch. My personal recommendation would be 1/4 to 1/2 longer than what they would typically play.
They did a good job but they’re not the MC!
So I can understand the rating, I must start by saying your channel gives me great confidence when assembling clubs, Thanks for the review, who would you go to if you lived in Phoenix/Scottsdale to have this work done?
Might check some of the golf forums. Or ask around your club either in the Pro Shop or playing partners. Preferably ones who are picky. 😀
@@EFGMC Thanks for all you do for us Golfers, If I find a Great place to go I will keep you posted.
Club repair pgass vs gg= Just no. How do you give a passing score when you didn't get what you asked for. Close is not OK. Be specific but ultimately no one will look after your clubs like yourself. It's a great time to learn how to do new things.
Hey I have a steel shafter ping eye2 lob wedge and the shaft is bent. Is there any way I can bend it back without hurting the club?
No. You should reshaft that. Once you start bending and rebending, you weaken the integrity of the shaft.
@@EFGMC alright thank you sir
I wouldn't even let them touch my equipment with a 10 foot pole here in Orlando.
There was a great disturbance in the force as that hammer came down on that new shaft.
All in the name of science, or youtube.
Great video! 👍🏻
As an amateur DIY club maker, I’ve often wondered about this.
I have also had a “not so good” club fitting experience at one of these two stores.
But I have another question
(perhaps you can do a video about this)
I put an old lob wedge back in my bag this week and I notice it has a little bit of rust from sitting idle for a couple years.
What’s the easiest way to clean up iron heads? … short of a complete refinishing? Or is refinishing the only way to get irons like new again?
I’ve watched your “Preseason tips” video about using fine grit sandpaper to remove the rust. But any other tips?
Would appreciate your help with this.
Yeah, sand paper or brillo pad or similar is what you need to remove the rust. Of course the rust will come back if you don't keep the clubs very clean and dry when not in use. The only way to prevent rust is to refinish (aka re-chrome) the heads.
If they don't play right they didn't do a good job. Swingweight off is bad enough. Lie angle off is worse.
I’ve always wondered this
Planning to do another one at some point and see if I get different results.
Good morning AJ. Question. What make True Temper Gold .370 one club $350 and another True Temper Gold .370 $35.00.
Not sure.
Not perfect but not terrible either. They rely on people not being able to check swing weight and lie angles easily and although I’d feel grip thickness, I’m not taking a knife to them to double check !
I definitely went into more detail than the average golfer would.
At the PGA TOUR Superstore where I have my club work done, they told me that they couldn't make any swing weight alterations!!!
That's odd. I used to work at a PGA Tour Supertore and we would match swingweights by using tip weights.
@@bobpegram8042 What I wanted was for the swing weight to be decreased. They had no counterweights for the butt ends of clubs, and didn’t do any drilling to the club head to reduce the weight of the head, like I had done to a club I had purchased from Vokey Wedgeworks to get the swing weight of a sand wedge two points lower.
@@joeperez3520 - That makes more sense. We wouldn't do that either. That is more specialized and would be done by only some independent clubmakers. We didn't stock counterweights. By the way, they increase the overall weight of the club and can redfuce distance.
@@bobpegram8042 👍
@@joeperez3520 I get that. Drilling out heads for SW is a much bigger job. Really need a drill press to do it consistently. I am with Bob as far as not recommending counterweighting, unless you are doing an entire set so the counterweight feel will be consistent.
Is that a portrait of your dog in a Stormtrooper outfit? LOL
Yes, yes it is.
I took my 6 iron into PGA Superstore to have it the lie angle 1 deg. Young kid grabbed the club and headed over to the loft and lie machine....put the bending iron on the shaft and started the bend......guess what happened now? They ended up putting in a new shaft.
Not ideal!
I find that every fitting I've ever had which would be four times and every time I go to the store so upselling and deceit and lying and trying to make you feel like you're stupid. And they basically try to talk you into fittings they try to talk to you into lessons they try to talk to you in a new club. It's absolutely pathetic!
Re length measurement, I measure to the edge of the grip cap not the top of the dome.
If anyone is as fussy as I am, they'd be going back. Lie angle and swing weight is something I am very sensitive about.
I hope u realize pga doesn’t carry your little tip weights for you, if you want those special things buy them yourself and bring them in. Not sure about golf galaxy. 😂
@@ymreps5815 it's why I have a whole range of tip weights in my shed and a swing weight scale. 👌🏻
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Will you please stop using the term standard as there is no such thing for golf clubs.
What a weird video