History of WWI Primer 052: US Remington Model 10 Trenchgun Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Complete Guide to United States Military Combat Shotguns
Bruce N. Canfield
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apparently one of the reasons for the different views of shotguns from americans vs europeans at the time was that in europe the shotgun was still primarily an aristocratic toy for game hunting, while in the us while it was used for hunting it was also used in combat in the old west e.g. for stage coach security hence the expression shotgun for sitting in the guard passenger seat next to the coach driver and the use of shotguns in battle gave the impression to european leader who at the time were generally upper class gentry that the american considered killing germans as a sort of game sport if you will like there were hunting wild boar or deers
Not a bad perspective.
thanks love your channel
C&Rsenal semiqutos were starting to come also,very quick on can say. Fn 1905, and Sjøgren, excellent geese guns, but f8r boars, it is best with a Brenneke bullet in a drilling. Paradox was a way to use both capped bullets ans birdshot ,buckshots also. but most shotguns was used f8r game.
"Over in France there's a game that's played
By all the soldier boys in each brigade
It's called Hunting the Hun..."
MrPh30 I believe you're referring to the Browning Auto 5 which was manufactured by FN. The FN Model 1905 is a pocket pistol chambered in 25 ACP.
"Sir, there must be something we can do about the grenades."
"Alright, how many of you hayseeds grew up duck hunting?"
As odd it may seem to people in the modern urban, surburban US, and the remainder of the world, bird hunting of all sorts was not at all uncommon among the male US population, so using a shotgun, or even having a shotgun at home was not unusual. At least up until the 1980's. Reference the popularity of takedown shotguns, which made it easy to store the relatively long shotgun in fairly small places. So the reference to "hayseeds" and duck hunting would not be as accurate as you might think - there were urbanites who hunted as well.
Charles Adams It's reasonable to believe that more homes today have a shotgun in them than in 1917. As gun ownership is as high as ever.
shilelea, I don't know about that, I worked in more than a few gun shops in the eastern US while in college, back in the 1960's and 1970's. We sold far more shotguns than almost anything other than .22 rifles. Even though the M-16 was introduced as the battle rifle in the US in the late 60's NO ONE had an AR-15, except a few police departments, so the whole military rifle ownership was in old WWII and .WWI rifles, as long well as a few from older eras. Even in deer hunting areas, by far the most common deer rifle was a lever action. According to statistics, there has been a sea change in type of ownership in weapons held by the people in the US. Handguns were less common and revolvers vastly outnumbered semi-autos. There were a lot of single barrel shotguns, but as a number, there were more doubles. It was not uncommon to find the sole firearm in a household to be an old double barreled 12 ga. The country and gun ownership has changed since the turn of the 1800 to 1900, and again from the 1900's to this century. People, even urbanites were far more inclined to be duck hunters, rabbit hunters, squirrel hunters than be anti-hunting as is the case of a large population of today.
There is only 1 statistic that implies gun ownership is not increasing: phone polls. It's well known that people don't answer those honestly. All other statistics (background checks, sales, CCPs) have increased.
Mae shooting Grenades, Best Episode Ever!
"It's not going to bother anybody, except for possibly boppin' your tootsies..."
C&RSenal: Come for the history, stay for Othais' detailed technical descriptions :)
Takes a lot of skill.
C&Rsenal no doubt. Nothing but love and respect for Othais' ability to paint a narrative picture.
I love that WW1 rendition of Dixie, the funny thing is that around WW1 many of the veterans of the civil war were still around, much like how we regard Vietnam vets today. Someone's grandfather fought for the north or south, and his grandson fought in France!
Erik Zamudio WWII vets today are close to the same age as civil war vets where back in WWII.
+FlakeTillman thank you for the correction, my mistake.
Erik Zamudio Nah, I wasn't trying to correct you. But it's interesting when you put history into context; 60-100 years after the civil war it was stylish to have loading tubes and lever actions on civilian rifles, and today the most popular .22 rifle, the 10/22, is reminiscent of the M1 carbine from WWII.
The Appleseed training program takes that even further, recommending that you install an M1 styled peep sights on your 10/22 in addition to a G.I. Sling.
Also the "Wild West" crave from the 50s and 60s came after a similar period of time after the end of westward expansion in the 1890s.
Funny that you mention the m1 peep sight on a 10/22, guess what our 10/22 has on it straight from the factory? It honestly makes it more enjoyable to shoot vs the old sporting sights. I don't take the correction personally.
There was a civil war vet still alive in the 50s. There’s pictures of him checking out jets on an Air Force base. Can you imagine? Seeing the evolution of technology from muzzleloading rifles to nuclear missiles.
you know how you're addicted to C& Rsenal? you wake up in a sweat when you sense the new video
My gat senses are tingling!
"War were declared" was my highschool quote
15:26
The handguard was installed to let the soldier grip the barrel for using the bayonet, just like the handguard on military rifles covers the top of the barrel for the same purpose..
also, German Stormtroopers used concussion grenades rather than fragmentation grenades. They did this to stun and capture enemy soldiers rather than kill them. Also concussion grenades made a less distinctive noise compared to frags so they blended in with the noise of the artillery barrage they used to camouflage their movements. The arty would hit around the target area and the stormtroopers would close in and use grenades in large numbers to stun defenders before entering the trench for close-combat with pistols and such.
IF (a big if) the defenders noticed that their trench was not being targeted by the artillery they could take up defensive positions and use their shotguns against large numbers of grenades flying towards them. The effect of the concussion grenades is actually reduced outside of the trench proper as the concussion is magnified in the enclosed space of the trench or bunkers. So being outside on the trench walls is better than being hunkered down.
All that being said the use of anti-grenade shotguns would still be limited in practicality and use.
that was my feeling when they talked about that myth, as pointed out by mae, it's difficult to be advancing and being ready to counter ennemy grenades, in my sense it would have been used more in a defensive move, being static and ready to receive the ennemy
warhawke223 The kind of concussive blast that would come from a stielhandgranate would be liable of turning you into a vegetable assuming you survived at all.
The concussive effect was meant to cause the most damage as possible within the confines of a trench, being designated "offensive grenades", while fragmentation grenades where "defensive grenades"; intended against attacking groups of soldiers out in the open.
@@warhawke223 The use of offensive concussive grenades was not due to the ability to "capture" your enemy, rather it was due to the danger to the user of fragmentation and shrapnel.
I just wanna say thanks for filling the void the history channel left in my life. You guys do an amazing job at providing a historical and entertaining program for us gun/history nuts and that is hard to come across now that reality TV has overtaken my beloved channels. Othias and May, you two provide true gold in an age where entertainment has essentially become shock factor and staged events, and I'm truly thankful for that. Much love to you two and your team, I am surprised you are not in the millions when it comes to followers.
It’s ridiculous; you rarely see actual historical, educational stuff on History Channel anymore.
70 years later, I was still carrying a Remington with 00 buck on watch in the US Navy.
hey, if it works
Continuity of awesomeness.
Works very well in a ship in particular.
God I should have been a gunners mate gun
Nice
Mustard gas everywhere and people are complaining about how brutal shotguns are.
Player Review "But shotguns are only meant to be used against wild beasts! We're more civilized than that!"
Not to mention chlorine gas, phosgene gas, white phosphorus, flamethrowers, airbursting shells, etc, etc, etc.
But that shotgun that one guy points at one other guy is clearly unacceptable.....
How many front line soldiers were really complaining?
It seems more like a typical bureaucratic response when there's nothing you can do immediately.
But seriously, the use of 'fowling pieces' in warfare was seen by the Germans the same way the 'bolt-gun' scene at the beginning of No country for Old Men would seem to us; literally using a tool of slaughter against men.
Then again the Germans also considered corn 'animal feed only' back then, so it could just be a difference in culture...
yeah that is really odd.
"The Americans took shotguns into World War 1, because we are goddamn American's." Ian Mccollum
WHAT VIDEO DID HE SAY THAT IN I MUST KNOW
Matthew Watts this video
Where
Matthew Watts ruclips.net/video/Z0D6p3w2qgY/видео.html
Real men shoot 308 Thank You
Because of my time zone, i get these episodes late monday nights. Please never change, Othais' voice helps me sleep.
I have the commercial model 10 with the factory adjustable choke that was built in 1908. I payed $100 for it a few weeks ago. Your's is in beautiful shape, the blueing on mine is all gone but their's zero wobble. . . . . . . . if these guns could talk.
Pedersen is such a genius. He should be mentioned every time Browning, Colt and Stoner are mentioned.
Don't forget Manlicker.
Not to be over-pedantic, but..."Mannlicher" (note spelling.) A Manlicker is a whole different thing - something I'd not want to get mixed up when asking for one or the other. It's a name that lends itself to embarrassing misunderstandings. LOL
Cheers! :-D
Unfortunately Pedersen reputation was horribly marded
@@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 ?
@@notapplicable328 Well due to my company's deranged and anti first amendment social media policies I have used creative handles for 4+ years based on characters from favorite TV 📺 shows of my youth . I was a huge fan of ITC and Gary and Sylvia Anderson shows . Sooooo UFO was one of my favorite shows and Cmdr Ed Straker of S H A D O was a hero of mine , And he replaced my previous handle DrakeIsSix who's life was tragedy cut down by RUclips's pre election insanity 😢🙃😉. Just some fun.
That was a really good "War Were Declared".
Vic Jaguar Can someone explain this "war were declared" to me? I'm German, and I don't understand what is so funny about it that I see it multiple tines in this comment section?
It's just a silly way of saying war was declared, I'm not sure how, when or why he got started saying it that way.
Thanks, Brett.
You're welcome.
It's also a quote from the TV Show Futurama.
Was gonna go to bed, nope hell no,. Remington model 10 is more important
Drew Hampton me' too
Priorities...yours are right lol
So glad I opened RUclips when I did and not 17 seconds earlier when this wasn't uploaded.
That full-length with Mosin bayonet is the most comical thing I've ever seen
When you run out of shells you can always chuck it like a spear!
I wonder if someone could go hunting with that, within barrel length for game laws, and see people's reaction to seeing that with a bayonet.
Kind of like a pump-action Brown Bess🙃🌵
in the gyn in Afghanistan I wonder, "is the new primer episode out?" sure enough you made my day. thanks
Alexander Ledgerwood We aim to please.
Mae Winchester Is that a pun?
Excuse me while I eat this mic Probably
Good luck over there, and watch out for those mortar strikes. Sometimes they get close.
A couple of point from an owner of an early Model 10 - belonged to my Grandfather who passed away in 1918. First, I used to use mine to jump shoot doves, growing up. The 10 is very quick to get into action so a grenade might not be a problem any more than a German jumping up at you from a trench - it is a very fast gun to get going. Second, you are partially right about loading the chamber for that 6th round - it can be done, but has to be learned and still takes time - you have manually fold up the floor plate and hold your mouth just right. Far easier to load the mag, cycle the action and then top the magazine for that last round. It is so open that it is both fast and easy; and it sure help when the action is fast to constantly keep the mag topped off, instead of running empty. The slam fire takes some getting used to, get off the trigger before cycling - I have ruined a few pheasants that way!
Working at my reloading bench while watching a C&Rsenal video. It's a good day.
The moment I realize it's Tuesday morning while gaming with friends is when I see a new video from you guys. :D
JonMan94Productions Happy Tuesday from the C&Rsenal team!
what game?
When did Mae change her last name to Winchester? Congratulations on the marriage and enjoy the Winchester mansion, I hear it is an interesting place to live in.
War Thunder. With my Italian fighter planes, specifically the Fiat G.55 Centauro (yes, Fiat built aircraft. very very nice aircraft). But now I'm in bed watching Mark use divine providence to make that trench gun a trench gun.
Also to make a note about the shotguns and games conjecture, most modern shooters do model shotgun pellet spread and range rather well, BF1 being an example of which I could recommend Rogue-9's episode on the least used shotgun in the game in which he goes nuts on the details of how the game models shotgun damage.
World War 1 combat shotguns AND Army of Darkness references? It must be my lucky day!
next step: look up Brisco County Jr.
I agree that was an awesome show. I haven't seen it in years though. I think it only lasted a season or two.
Man, Mark really did a great job on that beauty of a shotgun. I'm sure I'm speaking for many of us when I say that we as viewers really appreciate the work you and everyone there put into this channel.
Loved this and all your episodes, the ending of you all firing that MG was great and really wet the whistle for me to watch the full episode when you get it ready.
On Mae's "Smile-o-meter"...this gun is a list topper. Maybe not overall #1...but right up there.
The way she was fondling that guy in the discussion, I'd say it's number 1.
I love love love your videos. your enthusiasm and being so well spoken and organized makes your videos a pleasure to watch!
Watched this before work today, watching it again at night. Worth the time.
26:38 Proper way to perform a combat load with a bottom-ejector is to load one round, cycle it into the chamber, then load the rest into the tube. Try explaining that to a video game programmer, though. They'd probably add two pump animations for one complete reload cycle without depicting the unspent round being ejected.
Video game programmers are not the same people as video game animators.
@@jamesloder8652 But they work together, right?
@judsongaiden9878 not necessarily-- but even so, my point is simply that you're attributing blame to the wrong person in this instance. The only reason a programmer would be responsible is for not developing enough contextual framework for the game to intelligently determine the correct animation to play.
I can't tell you how much it drives me nuts when I'm using a shotgun in a game and you pump the action every time you take the gun out for some reason lol
@@jamesloder8652 Right?! Do you watch ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy? He talks about stuff just like that.
@@judsongaiden9878 no, I haven't heard of him
Oh great, Mae's got a shotgun with a pokey.
@janis vogel wtf is that all about?
Thank you for another great Episode !!!
Keep them coming !
Between you and Ian my firearm reference book collection has been growing exponentially lately lol. Keep up the great work! I'm looking forward to many more years of these excellent videos.
Hell of a thing to come home to after a dreary Alaskan monday! Thanks guys!
Eyy a fellow Alaskan!
I love Mae's grin as she's showing off the shotgun with the bayonet attached.
Hands down my favorite episode thus far.
The funniest part of the video is seeying her excited and happy face while shooting and talking about the shotgun. Awesome video folks! Its always nice to know more about those WWI weapons.
Mae and her love of recoil and bayonet 😍
Also great episode as always.
LMAO , The part where she is blasting off the shotgun with a big smile while in the back ground the song ,"The Yanks Are Coming" is playing". That was great.
Can't wait for the videos of the other WWI shotguns: Win Model 1897, Model 12, Browning Auto 5, Remington 11 and the Savage (can't remember the model). I don't know if there were other shotguns models used in large numbers.
Last year I bought the commercial versions and clones of some WWI shotguns: Win 1897 made in 1898, Win Model 12, Ithaca 37 and an Auto 5 clone made by Savage. Nice shotguns!
The new Trench gun film is here! The new Trench gun film is here! After being teased by images of this gun for a while now it was a real treat to watch this film. Well done, cheers!
Shotguns with bayonets do things to me.
Lovely job crew, well done.
Steak, whiskey, and some C&Rsenal to finish the night.
Biker Jim OMG that sounds amazing. swap the whiskey for a sour and I'd be soooo happy.
Mae Winchester wish you could partake, but.. you'd have to come to Michigan.
America!
I strongly agree with you, how about a baked potatoe, Fresh summer corn on the cob, and anice salad, and fresh Ga fruit. and a cold glass of beer. Could i Join you over the open fire?
Pulled pork, slaw and malt liquor for me. :P
I love this episode, it is damn perfect.
Great video as always! Keep up the great work!
Was waiting for this one, always nice to stay up and watch this stuff..I am an addict.
How did it go?
C&Rsenal awesome, better than sleep, as usual!
140 bucks in 1910? damn.
Agent Bill Wilson inflation
Thats like $3000.
if you account for inflation, the same gun would cost you $3,485.09 in todays money.
That's a expensive shotgun.
the base model was $650 in 2017 dollars.
I mean, I just googled a pre-owned H&H that is going for 75,000 pounds so $3500 doesn't seem that bad. Shotguns can get stupid expensive really fast.
I've been waiting for this one since episode 1!
YEEEEEEES!!!!
I've been waiting for a shotgun episode for, like, half a year! :)
NOTHING beats a shotgun for fun. :D
How the hell have I never seen this channel!? Subscribed!
I love it when war were declared
MOST EXCELLENT EPISODE !!!
AWESOME! Keep it coming
!
When I heard "tomyhawk" I imagined a shotgun version of the Thompson with an eagle head at the front... that would have been the most American thing ever lol
dope.
Matias J. Soto go on....... TELL ME MORE
You know that a Tommygun used 45 ACP amo wild a 12 gauge shotgun is equel to a 309 rifle?
I don't remember today being Tuesday, today is Monday...but I am not complaining. Good video and good grenade shooting Mae.
Thanks for the history
Love getting to see a new type of weapon in the series. Also cant wait for dem machine guns
Awesome episode!
May was having just too much fun LOL (of course, we're all envious, getting to shoot history and all)
One reason we love shotguns is this country I think was we used muskets in the Revolution (as muskets are essentially shotguns) just Another was that the cavalry used them in the Civil War. (especially the south) Nathan Bedford Forrest considered the double barrel the best arm for cavalry. Which makes a lot of sense. You're bouncing in a saddle so getting an accurate hit with a single shot rifle isn't that likely. Or with a single action revolver for that matter.
They're also very durable. I saw a pic of a US soldier I think in Fallujah carrying a Mossberg 500 stock model that looked like it first saw duty in Nam. (most of the finish was worn off) I've also heard (but cannot confirm) that the insurgents were terrified of shotguns. The poodle shooters didn't impress them. The 12 bore did.
Perhaps impress them is a bit too graphic....nah!
Just found out about your channel, watching an episode of Forgotten Weapons. Great in-depth content! Would love to own one of these old pump action shotguns (my Mossberg 590a1 pales in comparison). Cheers from Sweden.
Fascinating show, excellent job.
Yay! finally! a Remmy 10 Vid!
The hand guard makes no sense till you burn your fingers on the barrel after firing 40-50 rounds. You fingers tend to over-wrap the slide and OUCH! I experienced this on my Mossberg 590.
Dear C&Rsenal, will you do a primer on the Imperial Russian Berdan II rifle? Like the French Gras, it was an obsolete black powder rifle by the beginning of WWI but with so many produced and with Russia's notorious shortages of small arms, some were bound to have seen use in the in the Great War alongside the more modern M1891 Mosin-Nagant rifle. I've not been able to gather much information about the rifle personally, however given the superb quality of your videos I am sure it would be an excellent resource. Thanks
thx for all the hard work guys
Another quality video
The 1897 Episode didn't come out until 2020 you Sod.
But anyways, congrats on the Transitioning you two, Mae will be a Great Father to you Child Othaya.
In regards to the 2nd part of your comment; when is that in the video?
Another amazing episode. I assume the handguard was there for bayonet fighting once the barrel was hot. I think you forgot the POV picture of the sights. Don't forget about those, they are my favorites.
By the way, I'm ecstatic about the shirts in a few days, especially since I've been wanting Austria-Hungary and the US for a while now and my birthday is the 23rd so I can get one of each as a gift! It's like a birthday present from C&Rsenal and I'm extremely excited about it so please let us know how to order them once they are available. Thanks, guys, you made my day.
TwentythreePER or to use it like a baseball bat.
Fantastic info and very well presented.
Woo Hoo! Awesome!
Everyone needs a 12 gauge with a Bayonet attached
Yes
Got a Mossberg 590. That will do.
Just quit playing Battlefield 1 because some kid with the Model 10-A Hunter pissed me off, opened up RUclips and then this.... ironic 🙄. So much for going to bed, now I must watch
calvin langford i hope it was me
10-A is OP as shit
RebSike Thing sounds like Thor's fucking hammer... hits like it too
Yeah that must suck at first.
@@RebSike then it is historically accurate.
Great work guys!!!
Nice job, thank you!
Interesting to think of the shotgun as a sort of sub machine gun.
*looks at clock*
hmmm i should go to bed. but ill just check youtube really quick...
*see's C&rsenal uploaded video*
O___O
*breathing intensifies*
Ah yiissss. Was just given the family's old pre World War 1 Model 10 recently. Gorgeous gun.
Enjoy your show very much.
I had a model 10 and got stupid and sold it. A great firearm.
Did you get your boomstick while shopping smart at S-Mart?
shop smart
@@Candrsenal Shop S Mart
That's a nice one. Saw the video on what was done to fix the front bayo lug on that. Sweet video.
You n Ian r the best!
Just got to the part of the video where you talk about the Germans having cited article 23(e) of the Hague Conventions as reason for why they would execute any soldier found with a trenchgun. Got interested in what the Conventions actually said on the matter, so I paused the video and did a quick Google search; ten seconds later, I was basking in the irony of their claim. XD
Here is the article they were referring to:
"Art. 23. In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden
(a) To employ poison or poisoned weapons;
(b) To kill or wound treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;
(c) To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
(d) To declare that no quarter will be given;
(e) To employ arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering;
(f) To make improper use of a flag of truce, of the national flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy, as well as the distinctive badges of the Geneva Convention;
(g) To destroy or seize the enemy's property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;
(h) To declare abolished, suspended, or inadmissible in a court of law the rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party. A belligerent is likewise forbidden to compel the nationals of the hostile party to take part in the operations of war directed against their own country, even if they were in the belligerent's service before the commencement of the war."
Source: ihl-databases.icrc.org/ihl/WebART/195-200033?OpenDocument
So, they were saying that, because one weapon was proving too effective against their troops, they would claim that it was violating section e of this article, and that they were then free to violate section c of the article?
As I said, bask in the irony...
The reason they claimed this (and not just they the french complained about the use of shotguns aswell) was not because of effectiveness(afterall a submachinegun was far better in that role) but because shotguns in europe were seen as hunting toys for aristocrats and therefore people got the impression that the americans saw killing germans and austrians as a game and used these Shotguns to again cause uneccesary suffering .
I mean the irony of saying that, because Germany claimed we were violating section e of article 23 (using shotguns to "cause unnecessary suffering"), that they would then violate section c of the exact same article (killing or wounding enemies who have surrendered).
Obviously, it's a good thing that (apparently) neither side carried out their threats over the issue, but I just found the incident interesting.
not to mention the section a "to employ poison and poisoned weapons"
there's a reason mustard gas is also called poison gas
+Max To be completely fair to the Germans during WW1, they weren't the first ones to break the rules regarding poisonous gases; that (dis)honor goes to the French. However, the fact that they then responded in kind does make them culpable for their bad reputation on the issue.
could you enlighten me on that point? tought the germans were the first to use chlore as a early as january 1915
I love shotguns so much. Good morning, and a cup o' joe to you America.
Love this channel.
That pointer is really great.
Note to future self, watch the '97 episode first.
:D
SnarkyPosters Where is it?
+Colt M4A1 - It isn't out yet, but it will be in the 'future'. This is all we have for now. Hence the original post making a note to 'future self'.
Yep, that's the joke.
Regolith I knew it was going to be rick Astley, I just clicked to see if you did put the trololo guy because he is soooo rare
The future.
So many of my kind have been murdered by this kind of weapon.
Yeah, RIP.
Maybe try running *away*? Distance is your friend, tell your, er, friends.
@@fletcherreder6091 cringe.
@@slaughterround643 Wet blanket alert
You imps should stop standing in front of them swinging your claws around. Then, you wouldn't be hit by them so much.
What a fantastic looking shotgun. I like the wooden handguard on top.
Super well made video, sir.
Oh my god InRange please for love of all that is holy do the mud test video
Thanks for using metric system for all the non 'muricans
It's only for countries that DON'T have a flag planted on the moon.
I have a mod 10 long barrel. I love this shotgun . The one thing that you had missed was an inherent weakness was where the butt stock meets the receiver. The wood is hollowed out to allow the breach block to travel rearward while cycling the action. Mine has some small cracks and has a hollow sound when you tap your finger against it. That said I've never had any issues and totally love the Pederson design.
The joy on Mae's face, it's awesome. I have similar feelings when I shoot my milsurps at the range. Nothing is more satisfying that ringing a steel plate at 200 yards with just iron sights.
Fondled by Mark, Othias and Mae, what I wouldn't give to be that shotgun.
Question..... why have we never put dust covers on shotguns !? It seems like it would make this shotgun even better!!!
Nothing to cover really, they seal up pretty good.
C&R and a cup of coffee to start the day! Me happy
Guys, I REALLY love your channel, your reviews are so informative and educational and you really go through great lengths to do the research - that's fantastic. I like what you do 'cos there is no BS and the lady's input is really, really good. I like it when there is a bit of female touch in the programmes!! Keep it up!
glad to hear!
"Edjutained"- Othias 2017. Lets put that in the dictionary people.
Good point on the myth about shooting a grenade out of the sky/disabling a thrown grenade. As well as some other myths about it blowing away all enemies within X area it is aimed.
Could someone have shot a grenade out of the air and rendered it ineffective or inert? well, it's certainly proven possible by your video, but under stress, in combat and no way of anticipating an in incoming potato masher? extremely unlikely. but sure, possible. I doubt this ever happened. If a recorded instance, extreme luck is undeniable..
as a side note, she knew it was coming, but wasn't sure just EXACTLY where and how it would come or fly(and to an extent, EXACTLY when), so that looks good for the myth but, i stick to my original point. Extremely unlikely.
blowing away everyone in a given area? well... anyone that has shot a shotgun themselves knows. Can you miss like a rifle? No. but you can miss just as easily as with a rifle? Absolutely. Especially in a home defense situation. You're talking(generally) 7 yards or so. At that range, the spread is well, better than a rifle but less than a sure thing. I will take my chances with a rifle, and not rely on the "if they hear a shotgun cock and come anyway they are stupid."
as a followup, that I think about it. So you've seen a soldier ready one of these things, were not able to neutralize him before he throws it, and see him throw it. You aim, and you pluck it out of the air like a clay pidgeon. Mostly likely, you've simply made it fall and explode 'over there' and not 'over here'
and well, you're a hero, job well done. Getting this point, refer to my original comment. extremely unlikely.
I would add to your first statement: grenades were mostly thrown when beiing close, and if you are on the plain sneaking to the trench you most likely don't throw it up in the air a lot, you more likely drop it into the trench or throw in a flat arch (while beiing prone not far away of the trench). Or another way running alongside a trench and "delivering" down one after another. So i would guess no chance of hitting such an incoming grenade with a shotgun.
Big shotgun guy. Thanks for the great descriptive vids
man o live you guys are fun!!!!