This game is so slept on. These finals creators deserve more subscribers than any Fortnite RUclipsr… especially appoh. The videos are always super high quality and informative.
people are just unwilling to try something that is actually NEW. they try to sell you on the new cod with "ah bro look at the zombies tho, look at the maps" and that's it every time.. I can't tell you how many friends of mine just DON'T try the finals because they love their comfort game Fortnite
@blvdes I mean I don't blame them to be honest; leaving a comfort zone is hard and sometimes even unnecessary when they are actually enjoying their games and feeling good no reason for the to actually look around is there? I feel the same currently with The Finals I haven't even touched Marvel Rivals when all the OW players I played with are on it; And yes my comfort zone was OW and I'm so glad I left lmao
@@blvdes Bro, exactly the same for me. They are trying to get me back to Fortnite because "the meta would suit me now"😂last time that game was fun for me was like in 2019. Not going back. I also think they would enjoy the Finals, but they just won't try it. They'll make any excuse not to play. Not enough players, it takes too long to find a match, too much HP etc.
This season feels like embark is fine tuning the game we all love in the right direction. I’ve never had so much fun on top of getting to play on 120hz on ps5 now. Shak 50 fills that void for heavy weapons, I love it
@@flowrepeats I honestly didn’t think it would happen. It seriously feels amazing. I do have some weird visual bugs since the update tho. Like my screen gets separated horizontally by a line that’s there but not really there
My main problem are still the spawns. The advantages people are getting with the spawns are insane especially when you should be at an advantage after wiping a team on a cashbox. Now when you wipe a team they will just spawn on the cashout and take the plug right out of your hands.
The ShAK-50 is perfect for the Heavy and what it does as a class, in my opinion. It leans into Heavy's strengths while being so versatile. ShAK's range and its kill-times sit comfortably between the SA1216 and the Lewis, while also being different from the M60 in function and purpose. I didn't think anything could top the SA1216 and Deagles for me, but somehow the ShAK-50 pulled it off.
Came here to parrot the comments of others - Thank you Appoh for being a legendary their RUclipsr and representing CA/ON on the world stage ‼️ Much love. Keep up the great work.
Loving the ShAK so far, while not that good at long distance it is still enough for me to finish those pesky lights that we get far compared to the SA12. Also the chugachuga sound is sooooo good
I think the deagles and m60 should have been included. As a deagles user I am intrigued, but when learning that it has less range than the deagles I got disappointed.
@blvdes as I understand the real ash/shak12 is subsonic. Combined with the high bullet weight it insures that the bullet will kill, but not over penetrate. Combine with the fact that the 2 bullet projectile may not use rifling as well and it is honestly alright.
Honestly the gun doesn’t need much it fits in pretty well just treat it like your log mag smg and you’ll do fine but if I were to change anything on it it would be so it had 2 extra bullets so mag of 22 instead of 20.
You didn’t mention the lock bolt in this video, but I find it really helps in keeping that perfect distance for this weapon to shine! Amazing video as always! ❤
One of my favourite things about this game so far is that each weapon has such distinct properties, it really is tough to compare them all - none of them are like for like. In certain situations the ShAK is possibly the best gun in for heavy, but in others it falls far behind. Same can be said for almost all the good weapons.
@@clegendscript7 theres a spreadsheet in description. I didnt wanna overload people with info, or else id be here comparing every weapon and i gotta limit it somewhere
This is kinda random but speaking about balancing, was thinking the matter light shotgun would be a much more viable gun to not just the really good playes, but to every skill level if the pellet spread was vertical instead of horrizontal. It just doesn't have the consistency that the m11, lh1, 93r all have and it would just make the gun feel a lot better without breaking it. Also the slug heavy should load 2 shells at a time instead of 1 for quick reloades, its just way to slow to keep up pace and be relaible for a team compared to all the other heavy weapons.
This is a great video, and I really like the comparisons you've done here. However, do you think the Shak could benefit from even a slight mag buff? I'm thinking maybe 3-5 extra rounds could make the weapon shine a little brighter. Or would this be considered "overtuning?"
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks the m60 deserves more attention, it shreds as long as you are close to medium range and can track well. Feels easy to use. Thoughts?
Justjust deleted because of this season, the changes to light cloak are abhorrent. I 3 ticked someone with a flamethrower and he was still invisible …….. Not that light didn’t need a buff, but I don’t know what Embark was thinking,
Flamethrower already bad in first place, now they remove best counter of invisible Sh*t lose ttk for obviously with other Melee weapon (since u can say Flamethrower is Melee with that range)
@@Zapmannn it's fun if effective on what u seek lmao I use spear now to counter invisible light, Spear Spin now more reliable because they fix when it was often won't hit enemy
is there any visual indicator for the "two bullets per shot"? because I never saw it when testing so it really felt like one per shot,k 20 per mag (I know the game says it is but like, can you actually "see" or "feel" it?)
The additional 4 bullets per mag has made it way better imo. I miss old XP too but honestly, post-nerf, my accuracy has gotten better since you HAVE to hit almost all of your shots now to kill heavies and such.
@ not sure if your a casual or not but yea the 4 bulletes help in lower lobbies but higher lobbies including even plat your gonna need a weapon to have a fast ttk not damage over time. With how the meta is now I don’t see a reason not to revert the change it would help change this close range meta
@@LonelyHollowss I’d definitely be considered a casual, but I do have 700 hours and over 25k kills, so I know how the game goes. I play ranked alot and I agree with you. Pre nerf, XP was far more viable. I’d prefer that version of the weapon. But I’ve been fine in plat/diamond lobbies with the new XP, but I’ve had adopt a slightly different play style. When I said it made it “better,” I meant compared to the nerfed XP with 30ammo, not the old XP
Love this game but they have to figure something out for heavy, the loadout given has been meta since the very start. Love it but why play anything else if this is always the most optimal.
first of all great video dude , very useful info about the new weapon but just a advice about the video don't show the data on half of the screen and the other half is gameplay because the viewer will get distracted by the gameplay instead try to visualize data one by one as you speak showing the footage of each weapon or showing just thier icons or the weapon showcase or show the data in vertical way on the side along side the gameplay and show the data one by one as you speak about it then make an overall comparison and highlight of the best results to make it clear i really had a hard time keeping up with both gameplay and the data itself at some point
Something is off with your microphone settings, cutting off sometimes at the end of sentences. Maybe cutting lower dB too aggressively? It's lowk detrimental to the viewing experience.
Unfortunately, the SHAK-50 won't be a viable pick in high RS lobbies. The ideal range is too variable when facing well-coordinated teams, the low mag size means you can only engage one enemy per reload (unless it's two lights), and the dps isn't very consistent because of the two bullets. The SA-12, Lewis, and M60 are all objectively superior to the SHAK-50. I would also argue the deagles are better, but I could see a case for the SHAK-50. That would make it heavy's 5th best gun. Yikes. I've personally hated using it even though I was very excited for it to come out. It'd be balanced on medium, but it's too weak on Heavy as-is.
The KS-23 is still a complete tragedy. I want it to be good but everything is wrong with it. The ADS, reload, projectile instead of hitscan, the reload(again) and terrible breakpoints where quick melee is useless.
Acutely, the balance sucks, this gun destroys all melee weapon game play, If one gun can beat the opponent in middle distance and also kill melee shortly in close range, that means the fxxking Embark doesn't care about balance. Wtf, if a melee weapon can't easily win the TTK check fight, how can those players get fun? pray the gun player misses? If Embark thinks, someone has a great aim so, he can, go in any way and don't care about his opponent playing which weapon, is that fair? Range weapons can easily help his teammates, do damage to drive away opponents, if he kills someone and has low HP, he still can stare at opponents who want to save his teammate, and at the same time, the poor melee play needs to wait for the HP full to make sure the next fight can do some damage. Melee weapons can't even clear mine without taking damage, and even if you are the best melee weapon player still cant beat the light he has stun gun. I've said a lot of times to Embark on discord, melee weapons are a lot of unfair disadvantages like, its attack could be quick melee attack block, too weak when you meet stun gun, cant clear mine, easily be focused fire and difficult to help teams and even cant solo play because you always need to wait the fxxking HP full and you opponent just use five second to save and the melee would be useless. All the melees player could do is pray your opponent miss or on reload, and that thing are all weapon can do and eve do more easily. I've also suggest some change to make melee more useful and wouldn't break this game or destroy melee or other weapon game play, like make the TAB show all player's specialization and weapon, give melee (or all) weapons kill someone regen 100 HP in WT or RK (it can also make light more powerful in high ELO game) If you can attach Embark, pls help me and all the players, tell those unfair thing in this game and my suggest make some weapons that have significant disadvantages more useful, thanks! I really really love this game, I think the game could be better, that has diversity play style, this game would not be restricted by "FPS" game!
@ i respect your opinion but i see it so bad , it’s fun but you have to be so close , as an AR you should be able to do dmg from long range not like SMG short range , Dmg is not satisfying , lewis and m60 do the job way better in my opinion and you have more magazine to make more amazing team wipes 🤷♂️
Nah that weapon only feels good against other Heavy because easy to land 2 bullet at that big Hitbox Lewis or M60 way better because u don't run out Ammo fast I would consider using Shak if they fasten the reload time
Keep up the good work. Always be informative
TY SO MUCH! all the donations really help me out a lot
This game is so slept on. These finals creators deserve more subscribers than any Fortnite RUclipsr… especially appoh. The videos are always super high quality and informative.
fr this content is amazing
people are just unwilling to try something that is actually NEW. they try to sell you on the new cod with "ah bro look at the zombies tho, look at the maps" and that's it every time.. I can't tell you how many friends of mine just DON'T try the finals because they love their comfort game Fortnite
@blvdes I mean I don't blame them to be honest; leaving a comfort zone is hard and sometimes even unnecessary when they are actually enjoying their games and feeling good no reason for the to actually look around is there?
I feel the same currently with The Finals I haven't even touched Marvel Rivals when all the OW players I played with are on it;
And yes my comfort zone was OW and I'm so glad I left lmao
Facts
@@blvdes Bro, exactly the same for me. They are trying to get me back to Fortnite because "the meta would suit me now"😂last time that game was fun for me was like in 2019. Not going back. I also think they would enjoy the Finals, but they just won't try it. They'll make any excuse not to play. Not enough players, it takes too long to find a match, too much HP etc.
This season feels like embark is fine tuning the game we all love in the right direction. I’ve never had so much fun on top of getting to play on 120hz on ps5 now. Shak 50 fills that void for heavy weapons, I love it
I was about to buy a pc because I was tired of 60 frames…They just saved me a lot of money for a little while lol
@ I20fps/hz feels fantastic on this game, was going to fix my pc but this will do just fine in the meantime
@@flowrepeats I honestly didn’t think it would happen. It seriously feels amazing. I do have some weird visual bugs since the update tho. Like my screen gets separated horizontally by a line that’s there but not really there
@ haven’t had that issue yet, I’m on a 240hz monitor, what do you play on?
My main problem are still the spawns. The advantages people are getting with the spawns are insane especially when you should be at an advantage after wiping a team on a cashbox. Now when you wipe a team they will just spawn on the cashout and take the plug right out of your hands.
One of the best The Finals creators out there keep up the good work
Thank you for always providing us with high quality content and interraining gameplays, keep it 100 ❤️
@@nicolasmartin3609 thank you so much! I appreciate the support
I appreciate how you try out and use different weapons. And you’re pretty damn good in all of them.
Shak tip
If the head of the enemy is inside of the holo's circle both shots are headshots. Hope it helps ✨️
The ShAK-50 is perfect for the Heavy and what it does as a class, in my opinion. It leans into Heavy's strengths while being so versatile.
ShAK's range and its kill-times sit comfortably between the SA1216 and the Lewis, while also being different from the M60 in function and purpose.
I didn't think anything could top the SA1216 and Deagles for me, but somehow the ShAK-50 pulled it off.
Putting out this quantity of content at the quality you do while working full time is seriously impressive. Love the content appoh
Came here to parrot the comments of others - Thank you Appoh for being a legendary their RUclipsr and representing CA/ON on the world stage ‼️ Much love. Keep up the great work.
Loving the ShAK so far, while not that good at long distance it is still enough for me to finish those pesky lights that we get far compared to the SA12. Also the chugachuga sound is sooooo good
The sound makes my heart rate increase 10x 😅 love it.
I think the deagles and m60 should have been included. As a deagles user I am intrigued, but when learning that it has less range than the deagles I got disappointed.
yeah a 50 cal with a longer barrel having damage falloff at 15m is wild
@blvdes as I understand the real ash/shak12 is subsonic. Combined with the high bullet weight it insures that the bullet will kill, but not over penetrate.
Combine with the fact that the 2 bullet projectile may not use rifling as well and it is honestly alright.
Easily one of the best gaming youtubers out there. Dudes videos are so good! This channel and this game deserves so much more love
Honestly the gun doesn’t need much it fits in pretty well just treat it like your log mag smg and you’ll do fine but if I were to change anything on it it would be so it had 2 extra bullets so mag of 22 instead of 20.
I love this game so much. I have seriously not had this much fun on the video game since prime bo2/bo3 and prime Fortnite
Kinda crazy how famous you are and you still respond to people
I'm not famous lol but ty
You didn’t mention the lock bolt in this video, but I find it really helps in keeping that perfect distance for this weapon to shine! Amazing video as always! ❤
Your videos are amazing!
Probably the most balanced season so far with the most balanced added guns. Genuinely impressed. Besides the cloak buff.... "LESS CHEESE PLEASE"
Get better eyes
The Shak has finally fully converted me from a medium main to a heavy main and im so glad.
Excellent. Looking forward for the Cerberus weapon stats as well
Your content is so good
One of my favourite things about this game so far is that each weapon has such distinct properties, it really is tough to compare them all - none of them are like for like. In certain situations the ShAK is possibly the best gun in for heavy, but in others it falls far behind. Same can be said for almost all the good weapons.
wish you included the m60 as well in the comparisons, curious how it stacks up currently
Surprised he didn't honestly
@@clegendscript7 theres a spreadsheet in description. I didnt wanna overload people with info, or else id be here comparing every weapon and i gotta limit it somewhere
@@Appoh good call, that spreadsheet just confirmed ill be the only one still using it lol
@@Appoh faith enough. Not the most necessary info compared to the other weapons
this is my new main, it fits my playstyle really well
I love this game so much but they definitely need to rework the new spawn system.
This is kinda random but speaking about balancing, was thinking the matter light shotgun would be a much more viable gun to not just the really good playes, but to every skill level if the pellet spread was vertical instead of horrizontal. It just doesn't have the consistency that the m11, lh1, 93r all have and it would just make the gun feel a lot better without breaking it. Also the slug heavy should load 2 shells at a time instead of 1 for quick reloades, its just way to slow to keep up pace and be relaible for a team compared to all the other heavy weapons.
Do you ever have issues with low ammo when swapping mesh and shak, I’m thinking about using mesh but switching to Lewis because of this thought
Bro your videos is so good, can you make an optimisation guide for the finals❤
This is a great video, and I really like the comparisons you've done here. However, do you think the Shak could benefit from even a slight mag buff? I'm thinking maybe 3-5 extra rounds could make the weapon shine a little brighter. Or would this be considered "overtuning?"
Great videos always helpful.
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks the m60 deserves more attention, it shreds as long as you are close to medium range and can track well. Feels easy to use. Thoughts?
u should make a fan club
@@Gogginator the club i made day 1 got maxed out within like 2 hrs sadly. We need more than 50 spots
lol it’s all good
since ottr left the community I feel like you covered his spot
4:34 kinda sad that the M60 is not even in the stat comparisons
I think it’s solid too
That's bc the lewis gun and the m60 are pretty much the same
The lewis has less rounds but more accuracy but the m60 has more rounds but less accuracy
Justjust deleted because of this season, the changes to light cloak are abhorrent. I 3 ticked someone with a flamethrower and he was still invisible …….. Not that light didn’t need a buff, but I don’t know what Embark was thinking,
Yeah light invisible is annoying. But you can just take motion sensor(hard counter new to meds) rendering invis trash near cash out.
Flamethrower already bad in first place, now they remove best counter of invisible
Sh*t lose ttk for obviously with other Melee weapon (since u can say Flamethrower is Melee with that range)
@@manyblock4192 i don’t care about good or bad i just wanna have fun, and not encounter infinite cloak every game
@@Zapmannn it's fun if effective on what u seek lmao
I use spear now to counter invisible light, Spear Spin now more reliable because they fix when it was often won't hit enemy
as a light main i think it is pretty balanced
The Cerberus need some slight damage boost maybe
Thoughts on running goo for heavy over barricade ?
Appoh for controller player is better SA1216 or shak-50?
Use them in different loadouts or one as a reserve because you can’t compare them since one is a shotgun and the other is a rifle
i think this gun is up there with the SA12
Its basically the fcar on heavy
420 rpm firerate and chugchuga sound = Best gun 🌬️😎
I think it needs to have 25 rounds. 20 rounds is not enough for an AR. The FCAR went from 20 - 25, I can see the SHAK going that route too.
Great vid thanks
2 bullets makes hitting those pesky lights a lil easier 😅
What about the desert eagles?
What is the meta of teams in this season???
When did the ks23 get a change?
where you can find these stats, only from the community, itsn't there a official file?
@@vavetv description
So the dual deagles were too good to compare?😅
is there any visual indicator for the "two bullets per shot"? because I never saw it when testing so it really felt like one per shot,k 20 per mag (I know the game says it is but like, can you actually "see" or "feel" it?)
oh I just saw it. Thought it was meant to be like a two round burst weapon
crosshair ?
Why wasn’t the m60 in the comparison?
why no m60 or deagles on the statistics, but ks-23 is?
Man, all these numbers tell me is that the KS is in dire need of some help. Even worse than I thought.
I went against you in world tour today. Or someone had your name 😊as you
5:06 pause 🤨
I dunno why anyone would use it over the deagle or sa12
Fun. People like to have fun.
W vid
0:46 😂😂
And why doesn’t the KS Have a headshot multiplier yet.
I say they revert the xp-54 damage nerf back I miss it💔
The additional 4 bullets per mag has made it way better imo. I miss old XP too but honestly, post-nerf, my accuracy has gotten better since you HAVE to hit almost all of your shots now to kill heavies and such.
@ not sure if your a casual or not but yea the 4 bulletes help in lower lobbies but higher lobbies including even plat your gonna need a weapon to have a fast ttk not damage over time. With how the meta is now I don’t see a reason not to revert the change it would help change this close range meta
@@LonelyHollowss I’d definitely be considered a casual, but I do have 700 hours and over 25k kills, so I know how the game goes. I play ranked alot and I agree with you. Pre nerf, XP was far more viable. I’d prefer that version of the weapon. But I’ve been fine in plat/diamond lobbies with the new XP, but I’ve had adopt a slightly different play style. When I said it made it “better,” I meant compared to the nerfed XP with 30ammo, not the old XP
I personally think the shAK is fine where it is with dmg and range, but I do think it could use more ammo.
Sa1216 better gg
nah ur tweaking
@@GoferON144hz this is true
@@Appoh i know cuz im destroying shak-50 players with it
Im still taking the lewis gun over it...
Its better if you can control the recoil
I agree
Love this game but they have to figure something out for heavy, the loadout given has been meta since the very start. Love it but why play anything else if this is always the most optimal.
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first of all great video dude , very useful info about the new weapon
but just a advice about the video
don't show the data on half of the screen and the other half is gameplay
because the viewer will get distracted by the gameplay
instead try to visualize data one by one as you speak
showing the footage of each weapon or showing just thier icons or the weapon showcase
or show the data in vertical way on the side along side the gameplay
and show the data one by one as you speak about it
then make an overall comparison and highlight of the best results to make it clear
i really had a hard time keeping up with both gameplay and the data itself at some point
tryna go the gen alpha max stim route, might not work for everyone lol
Just overlay the stats on a Subway Surfer video and the ai voice
@Appoh morden problems need morden solutions i guess
Something is off with your microphone settings, cutting off sometimes at the end of sentences. Maybe cutting lower dB too aggressively? It's lowk detrimental to the viewing experience.
Wow y'all crazy on pc
That range is genuinely bad for an assault rifle. Its more of auto shotgun.
Noo second😭
Unfortunately, the SHAK-50 won't be a viable pick in high RS lobbies. The ideal range is too variable when facing well-coordinated teams, the low mag size means you can only engage one enemy per reload (unless it's two lights), and the dps isn't very consistent because of the two bullets. The SA-12, Lewis, and M60 are all objectively superior to the SHAK-50. I would also argue the deagles are better, but I could see a case for the SHAK-50. That would make it heavy's 5th best gun. Yikes. I've personally hated using it even though I was very excited for it to come out. It'd be balanced on medium, but it's too weak on Heavy as-is.
The KS-23 is still a complete tragedy. I want it to be good but everything is wrong with it. The ADS, reload, projectile instead of hitscan, the reload(again) and terrible breakpoints where quick melee is useless.
Shaq 50
nice but wheres fsr 3.1.3 upscaling embark
It’s twenty bullets and it counts both when being shot so it’s not effective 40
Acutely, the balance sucks, this gun destroys all melee weapon game play,
If one gun can beat the opponent in middle distance and also kill melee shortly in close range, that means the fxxking Embark doesn't care about balance.
Wtf, if a melee weapon can't easily win the TTK check fight, how can those players get fun? pray the gun player misses?
If Embark thinks, someone has a great aim so, he can, go in any way and don't care about his opponent playing which weapon, is that fair?
Range weapons can easily help his teammates, do damage to drive away opponents, if he kills someone and has low HP, he still can stare at opponents who want to save his teammate, and at the same time, the poor melee play needs to wait for the HP full to make sure the next fight can do some damage.
Melee weapons can't even clear mine without taking damage, and even if you are the best melee weapon player still cant beat the light he has stun gun.
I've said a lot of times to Embark on discord, melee weapons are a lot of unfair disadvantages like, its attack could be quick melee attack block, too weak when you meet stun gun, cant clear mine, easily be focused fire and difficult to help teams and even cant solo play because you always need to wait the fxxking HP full and you opponent just use five second to save and the melee would be useless.
All the melees player could do is pray your opponent miss or on reload, and that thing are all weapon can do and eve do more easily.
I've also suggest some change to make melee more useful and wouldn't break this game or destroy melee or other weapon game play, like make the TAB show all player's specialization and weapon, give melee (or all) weapons kill someone regen 100 HP in WT or RK (it can also make light more powerful in high ELO game)
If you can attach Embark, pls help me and all the players, tell those unfair thing in this game and my suggest make some weapons that have significant disadvantages more useful, thanks!
I really really love this game, I think the game could be better, that has diversity play style, this game would not be restricted by "FPS" game!
mid weapon
Bad weapon sadly , so disappointing
Lol. Can you aim? It's broken as hell combined with lockbolt. If your aggressive and barley miss this weapon WRECKS
@ i respect your opinion but i see it so bad , it’s fun but you have to be so close , as an AR you should be able to do dmg from long range not like SMG short range ,
Dmg is not satisfying , lewis and m60 do the job way better in my opinion and you have more magazine to make more amazing team wipes 🤷♂️
Nah that weapon only feels good against other Heavy because easy to land 2 bullet at that big Hitbox
Lewis or M60 way better because u don't run out Ammo fast
I would consider using Shak if they fasten the reload time
Thx for the useful info m8 =3