Destructive Devices: Why Pipe Bombs To Molotov Cocktails Are Legal
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Destructive devices are a broad category of fun items regulated by the National Firearms Act under the ATF. Despite the title, the categories that land an item as a destructive device are not as obvious as you might think. We get asked a lot as to what constitutes a destructive device, and what does not. So, we made a simple video that gives you an idea of how destructive devices are defined. We routinely make them here at Ordnance Lab, so we know a thing or two about destructive devices.
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00:00 - introduction
00:57 - Classes of destructive devices
02:02 - What about molotov cocktails?
02:42 - Is the nail bomb a destructive device?
03:28 - Are pipe bombs destructive devices?
04:14 - How a hand grenade is a destructive device
04:49 - A 3D printed claymore as a destructive device
05:50 - How a device can become a DD by simply intent
06:15 - Review of what a destructive device is 
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We try and address these legal topics often for various reasons. One as it is a CYA thing, and another to explain others that we legally can do this and that the feds aren't eyeballing us for an epic raid.
But, it's fun to think we might be numero uno on their hit list. Sadly, we just aren't that cool.
Never give up! Surely you can make something dangerous enough to get all the alphabet soup guys after you at once. I believe in you!
@@johnladuke6475I am holding out hope that the RCMP with Dudley Doright will make a surprise raid into South Texas.
@@johnladuke6475 Oh, there are a few things we could do that would def have enough fed agencies on us to complete the alphabet. I just don't want to go to prison. That would mean I would have to join a latino gang and I'm just not that latino.
I wish I could work for you guys lol it seems so fun
"Watch as I transform this 1853 lantern from a normal, average, everyday source of light and warmth into an INSIDIOUS 'Destructive Device'!!!!
By tossing it. Two feet in front of me. Next to a storefront."
**** THE NFA IS MAAAAAAAGIIIIIIC!!!!! **** ( as sung by Caitlin Doughty)
I laughed way too hard reading this. Legit dropped my phone.
Congrats. You made the entire crew laugh.
The real question is can we pay the tax stamp to turn said lantern into a legal destructive device?
@@thefunniestfarm4731 “Yes, I threw a Molotov at that car. It was legal.”
"Yes, my EDC is a pipebomb. Because fuck us both."
Interesting video! Since I work in lab safety, there are two explosive chemicals I discuss regularly. Picric acid (trinitrophenol) is used in many biological stains / fixatives, and we normally handle it wet. There's a fair bit of controversy on just how dangerous / sensitive dried picric acid is, and the salts with metals like iron are supposedly touch explosives. That could be an awesome video, with science and explosions. Ether peroxides might be harder to demonstrate, but it's an issue for labs all over the world.Stuff like diethyl ether and THF gradually make peroxides (which apparently are extremely sensitive). Having a video showing just how dangerous old ether can get could be really interesting, in a fireball kind of way.
That is a genius video idea. Jake is on it.
@@OrdnanceLab If you can find someone, this could maybe be a chance for a collaboration with a chemistry RUclipsr
@@Battlefieldsucks0501 The backyard scientist spoke with us back before the virus we can't speak about became an issue. There are a few other channels that might be down to do that. Def something we need to see if it's possible. Travel and timing being the big issue.
I've got a buch of experience with picric acid and picrate salts. TNP itself isn't going to accidentally detonate, and is actually hard to kick off on purpose while doing hammer impact tests. The picrate salts are more sensitive but I wouldn't classify them as "touch explosives". The problems arise when TNP accidentally cones in contact with metals like in an old rusted lid on decades old storage bottles or lead pipes where a lot of TNP is being stored. The lead pipe example is how the sensitivity of lead picrate was accidentally discovered back when TNP was used to dye silk. Massive industrial accident because of it. I somewhat understand the caution used when old dry TNP is discovered in a lab and disposed of because you don't know if it's been exposed to metals, but it usually gets blown out of proportion by the media.
I like this. Mostly because I like chemistry though😂
Peak internet stupidity is when a guy who is known as a subject matter expert in NFA, explosives, and regulations concerning those issues does a video on the very subject he is know as an expert in, then the goobers (who are not SOT's, never have been, do not own NFA items or ever applied for them, not a lawyer) in the comment section go "Well actually...".
Those comments always are the most entertaining though!
They got their PhDs from the University of Wikipedia.
That's a pretty stupid line of reasoning. "Just listen to the experts" you sound like NPR or CNN.
@@larrybrock6811Well you should definitely listen to experts that doesn’t mean you can do your own research tho
So, a street sweeper in a gauge smaller than one half inch or a .410 bore shoud not be a destructive device.
That's stupid, we can own a 4 bore it's a type of big game hunting rifle thanks Kentucky ballistics but we can't own the street sweeper.
Nobody said the ATF made sense
@@OrdnanceLabBased comment
They made one in 45-70 lol
The NFA is unconstitutional as are the “definition’s” the BATF execute as law
CALL THE MOUNTIES!!! 😆😆😆
I enjoy the educational videos as much as the ones where stuff goes “BOOM”.
I was just confused by the title and now I’m probably on a list that’s great
Abolish the atf, repeal the nfa and gca
Is this me?
@@AugustusTitusus
And ICE and the FBI and the CIA.
Amen
What about the growing Muslim population?
Knowledge is power :) good stuff my dudes!
And knowing is half the battle!
GGGGGG IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII JOOOOOOOEEEEE!
@@OrdnanceLab And the other half is violence :D AMERICAAAAAAA!! Hahahahahahahha
Type of propellant doesn't matter as long as it isn't fixed ammunition. You can buy muzzle loading 12 gauge pistol without restriction by mail in most locations. It uses standard 209 shotshell primers and can use smokeless black powder substitutes.
A glass bottle is not an “approved container” in which to store gasoline. It is illegal in most jurisdictions to have a Molotov cocktail for that reason.
What about a potato cannon? 3" bore and able to fire a projectile which, hitting the right spot e.g. the head, could be fatal.
My question as well.
I was wondering same thing once he said pneumatic over 1/2"
One drunk buddy had another drunk buddy (beer infused campout) shoot him from about 30yds. Cracked a rib. HUGE bruise for a couple weeks.
There is a published letter from the ATF that states that, in summary, all combustion powered "potato cannons" using propellant other than black powder are regulated/restricted/prohibited depending on the specific characteristics ofnthe weapon.
However, all pneumatic "potato cannons" are legal to build or own, provided they use soft objects such as fruit or liquids (examples given innthe letter) , putting gravel, explosives, or other hard materials as projectiles will make the weapon classified as a destructive device
I’ve wondered the same thing. I built one many yrs ago with a 1 1/2” bore,, 3’ long barrel. That thing was ridiculously powerful. Yes, it could’ve easily ended someone’s life if they were hit in the head.
Soooo much good information! Nice, clear and precise dialog! Love watching your guy's videos! Awesome you guys can do great activities responsibly, and have the privilege demonstrating them safely! Thank you for your time and thanks for sharing
So, a potato cannon is (according to the ATF) a destructive device?
If used as a weapon / launch explosive/incendiary payload that does not have a signaling purpose, there’s the possibility they could charge you with a DD violation
Yes
Got it, clear as mud. Fun how you can clear one clause only to faceplant into another, eh? I don't tgink people appreciate the care you must and do use in these videos, just to be informationally accurate. Well some of us notice, thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Very interesting video!. Love videos that talk about the legal and practical implications and requirements for obtaining, handling and using explosives and destructive devices 👍
Great video, thanks for educating the public on DDs
I love the confusion caused by the BATFE and NFA. 😂😂😂
They literally legislated more confusion
It's tge pount. The more confusing the more people get scared off, and for those that don't they get caught up in it.
Hey jake I have a video idea I think is interesting.
You can use car airbags to launch things surprisingly far. If you put a grenade in a glass jar and launched it at an angle, I bet you could lob it pretty far down range.
I love these types of videos. I've been seeing a new one (for me) around the internet involving a bag of flour soaked in diesel. Any plans on revisiting thermobarics?
When SHTF..... I know where I'm going, ordnance lab !!!
You can go down to the gun store and buy a high-powered rifle but you can't burst a pipe without having to worry about getting in trouble.
Crazy, right?
Only because SCOTUS won't do it's job and enforce the second amendment as written.
@@tafdiz wild, eh?
High power as in aSsaUlt rifle -15?
Solution: ban guns so you can't buy them either!
The only explosion pertaining to this video was in my mind. Knowledge is power. Nice work!
I'm glad you guys get to do this as it would be SOOOO fun. I grew up thinking up these things! I now am good with CAD and have a 3D printer but I'm not currently living in the United States 😭
I like the words on the grenade, with the same spirit, you know those shaped charges to blow a door, I would mark on it "knock, knock" or I write on the Claymore "reach out and touch someone" That thing on the table is not a paperweight, it is an artistic sculpture.
A retriever dog plus a bunch of handheld bombs. What could possibly go wrong?
Abolish the NFA
Don't forget the famous SSK "Fat Mac" .950 JDJ Rifle. It's not a Destructive Device either.
In court, he who has the biggest lawyer and budget wins, so tread carefully. Before things loosened up, the BATshite people nailed two guys who sold parts from which a suppressor could be made. They were very careful to not associate with each other and never described their wares in a way related to firearms. Their outlet was gun shows where their tables were not together, one selling shaped metal discs and the other selling threaded metal tubes. If asked both would say they didn't know what they could be used for and that they didn't know the other guy. Now what each of them sold was in itself totally legal, but together you got something which wasn't. After about a year they got busted and the charges stuck based on them going to the same gun shows. The guberment will twist and turn things into what they want, and unless your lawyer is bigger than them (which few are) then be careful because they will find a way to screw you, legal or not.
I’m all for supressors being legal and have no love for the ATF, but that wasn’t much of a twist and turn on the government’s part. It’s not like these two “strangers” were “independently” always showing up at bake sales together
@@wadewilson524 True, but that confirmed the rule where having access to all the parts was the same as having an assembled device. Individually neither one broke the law, which is my point here. This video may not be as accurate as some would assume and not wanting anyone to get in trouble I'd advise taking it with a large grain of salt.
Yep ,Big Brother needs to meet Cain .
The BATFE isn't the only one that likes the word " structure " .
The IRS will prosecute you for tax evasion because you followed the explicit regulations about how much money has to be reported /.declared and didn't meet or exceed that threshold, and nothing else .
And precisely this is the reason many laws include phrases such as "with intent to". These two clearly tried to circumvent the law on a technicality... but the missed the little technical detail of "intent".
Why aren't you calling treason what it is? It is treason against all humans by the predatory aristocracy who own/pay/supply/train the acronym agencies. Go look up how every important american figure in politics, banking or business is all related to the European Peerage. My favorite example is how 3rd generation CIA obama seems to be related to the Stanley's, arguably the richest and most powerful family in the world that you've never heard of coz they wizard of oz shit from behind the scenes. America has fallen and because of this, the entire world has been enslaved. See how the white house webpage quietly announced Greater North America (directly because of the USMCA, which formally ended America, Canada and Mexico as independent nations). Moo?
ordnance lab any updates on the XL 18 flamethrower vid? would like to see the difference in fuels and napalm thickness at various ranges and psi. theres like no videos on the tube with thorough testing
So the XL18 we got has a defective nozzle. It leaks like mad and we just couldn't use it safely. We are waiting on a new nozzle so we can swap it out and go from there.
In summary, the NFA is confusing as hell and is specifically designed to entrap any innocent people that the ATF deems undesirable. Matt Hoover is the classic example.
Nobody said the ATF made sense.
Another great video. The question i have is, why do dogs love stinky stuff so much? Rotten, fishy odor on the ground? The dog will drop down and have it all over their face and neck before you can say 'nooooo!'.
Side note: Lagavulin Distillers Edition is one of my absolute favorite malts! Slainte!
You mentioned big bore pneumatic devices, where does that put tennis ball cannons ? And the like for baseball, golf ball, t-shirt cannons, etc. which are all pretty commonly built "toys"
Clear as mud!😂👍
This is the best YT channel. Love the content. Keep it up!!
ATF can S A D
Hey Ordinance Labs. I have a question that you didn’t cover in the video.
If you were to buy Tanerite and use a blasting cap to set it off, would that classify as a destructive device?
Hi Mom, I'm on a list!
To be classified as an unregulated muzzleloader it doesn't have to be limited to black powder or be an antique. I work for a retailer that sells new manufacture muzzleloaders and supplies and, regardless of bore, they aren't subject to any of the Federal laws pertaining to modern firearms (state and local laws vary). Most can be operated with smokeless powder safely IF you correctly recalculate how much powder to use. Smokeless powder burns much faster than black powder.
Jan 2004 I awoke to a massive explosion in western Sydney that rocked my house.
"WTF was that!"
Found out later a chap had mixed up some of the good stuff and was just goofing around. Parked a fully loaded car in a clear paddock and lit the fuse.
Impressively he behind a rear axle, an engine block and a 4 meter deep hole.
I've asked this on other videos and haven't gotten an answer. How is a Molotov cocktail considered an incendiary DD, but a thermite grenade isn't?
The ATF has been called many things but consistent isn't one of them
so can YOU legally use your grenades as home defense
I would love a replica claymore paperweight!!
Hey is it legal to share the designs for any of your stuff for 3d printing online and do you have it shared anywhere?
Will you please do a shaped charge co op with the slomoguys? Get a 12”x12” steel cube and see what it takes to punch through
Could you ignite a can of paint stripper? I've always wondered what kind of damage it would do in a garage fire.
I am a hobby chemist and am interested in an FEL. The storage for explosives is exceedingly expensive and rigorous, but I do not plan to ever store explosives; rather I plan to manufacture and detonate on the same day/location. You guys have already gone through all this paperwork, so I am wondering: is it possible that I may be able to acquire an FEL for manufacturing and usage without having any form of 'explosive storage'? I hope to try out all classes of explosives on small scales, if I manufacture on-site and detonate would I still be required to invest in storage? I love your videos and I want to legally try out some of your experiments :D
We aren't lawyers, so take this advice as simply advice. The FEL is advisable to avoid legal issues, but not required if you are not making explosives for storage or commercial use. Federally, you can make explosives for personal use. Your local laws might differ.
If you make energetics and destroy them the same day for non-commercial reasons, then an FEL is technically not needed. Having an FEL does help as a CYA layer. It really depends on how serious you wish to go, do you plan on doing this for commercial reasons, and your local laws.
@@OrdnanceLab thank you for this response. I will contact more people to get county specific information, but this was incredibly informative. Keep up the amazing channel ♥️
could you do a video regarding the 37mm signal launchers and associated signal rounds
Personally, I like that owning an RPG-7 is easier than owning a machine gun.
Would i have to register Sarin Gas by the molecule or per canister (hypotheticaly, theoreticaly and of course i'm just chokin)
So, the 3D printed empty Claymore is not a destructive device, but the empty hand grenade is? What is the difference?
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Nice shirt 🤘
Nice pipebomb and claymore! Do you guys have a online store?
We do have thelabcartel.com where we sell t-shirts and other items. Not pipe bombs and claymores though. That's too far into the ATF's unhappy zone.
@@OrdnanceLabgod damnit
and all of these things are classified as "infringements"
thank you for explaining all the rules and regulations imposed on the god given right that was granted to me for the sole purpose of keeping rules and regulations away from my rights...
So does this mean I need to register the pneumatic can crusher I bought from the jungle website?
Hey guys, off topic from this video, but relevant to your mention of being expert witnesses, what's your expert opinion on extractor mark evidence?
So, I'm the CSI of the group. Weapon tool marks only are as effective as the scanning method, such as NIBIN, and the amount of data that can be collected. It is a valuable and effective method of identifying a crime Weapon, but it isn't 100% perfect. It is only a tool if done right and compile with other evidence.
❤ doggy so adorable
Pneumatic canon is not legal? Or did I not hear you correctly? Also there are 72, 58, and .510 air rifles as well as some air shotguns, all currently exempted.
What happens if you put The shrapnel (ball-bearings, Razor blades, Whatever you can think of) in the centre of the device with the explosives around it
Wait, so is a spud gun using hairspray as propellant illegal if not registered?
Wish I would have watched this before getting caught with napalm lol
Does the ATF consider a RPG-2 a black powder cannon and thus not a destructive device?
Claymore/explosive roomba? Since y'all have the paperwork to make one?
Thanks for the confusion
Hey guys, could you try a mix of etn and nhn I've heard it might be a good primary for blasting caps
NPED?
@@harrypeterson9287 nope, etn (erythritol tetranitrate) and nhn (nickel hydrazine nitrate)
Do you guys know if thermite is regulated as a pyrotechnic / destructive device? im trying to start a rocketry program at the college im at and trying to figure out a way to develop an igniter for the motors and theres just a ton of stuff to go through lol. Was just gonna be small amounts to coat a nichrome wire in and used to ignite the motor. Other option is potassium nitrate in a sealed straw with the nichrome wire, mixed with a little bit of charcoal... or i can just buy premade ones but im trying to get these kids some design and manufacturing experience for the aero industry lol
Thermite is commonly used in welding and the like, its a legal substance, so you shouldnt have any problems as long as you arent making something that could be construed as an IED, Made it in high school for class so it should be fine
@@dylankirby8162 i mean its a combusting cap to ignite something im not sure if that qualifies on its own or there needs to be a volume threshold for it to be considered as such. Regardlwss I think were just gonna use KNO3 and nichrome wiring for now til we know more
Thank you though!
Where is the line drawn from something like a home made firework and a destructive device?
Is it the container, the amount of explosives inside, or?
Tannerite in a container is perfectly legal, but it can be very destructive if used with nefarious intent.
2:00 AFAIK, pneumatic cannons aren't DDs because they dont propel the projectile by action of an explosion.
"(2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter (.50 inches or 12.7 mm), except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes; and"
I assume its because they're not "weapons" because they could otherwise fit this definition. The DD exemptions for shoguns and sporting rifles wouldn't apply to them.
According to the ATF NFA handbook , DD does not require an explosive propellant charge like the other categories to make the launcher be considered a DD. Our Rockets use APCP which is not explosive material (due to a 2009 lawsuit) but the launchers are still DDs given it’s still a firearm with a bore over half an inch that fires fixed ammunition
What i wanna know is, is Napalm a destructive device? like it is a gel like substance and don't release toxic gasses unless you light it on fire. We are not gonna get into how easily it is to make without gasoline or with just regular household products such as soap. Like i am not talking about having the gel in a glass jar sealing it with a fuse then lighting the fuse or breaking the fuse to ignite it as it is a bomb then that spread glass and flaming napalm everywhere which then can quickly lead to carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide gas buildup. Though if ya wanna make it into a bomb with a break fuse use a very strong container and not a glass jar as it gives ya more time to get away from it as trust me you don't want flaming napalm or flying glass anywhere near you
I would love love love to have a case of M67 grenades for a man-cave. It's an incredibly stupid idea, but I've been called an incredibly stupid man by someone I live with, so....
I wonder if that means it's possible to own an M67 grenade so long as it's properly registered as a destructive device as well as an explosive device (and pay the $$$ to locate and purchase one)?
Does that mean someone like me, who could accurately be described as having not legitimate reasons for owning a grenade, be legally able to own one should I pay the fees/taxes and jump through the necessary hurdles?
Who sprung Murdock from the joint?
LOL
@@OrdnanceLab Seriously though, great content, great advice. Thanks for educating us and doing cool things so we can keep our keyboard-warrior fingers! :)
2:42 had me second guessing my sanity for a minute
At the end of the day, knowledge is power and what you do with it determines whether you’re an asset or a liability to your society.
Sorry I'm late. So without legal advice can a straight civilian, no SOT, no FFL, ect. Create and dispose of a DD within the 24hr period without a form 1?
My pneumatic potato cannon is a destructive device?? Oops.
Only when used as a weapon or to fire anti personel ammunition. Fire a fruit .. not a DD. Fire a fruit at your neighbors house to knock a hole in the front door... Destructive device.
Fire at a target, fine... Fire an explosive, incendiary or chemical munition. Destructive device.
Umm was that a panther walking through the woods behind you at 2:44?!?!????
Hi what about a 3ft 2in diameter black powder muzzle loaded mortar?
The mortar would be fine as long as the projectiles are inert. It becomes an issue when you have live ordnance being launched.
@@OrdnanceLab awesome cuz I’ve been launching 3D printed mortar shells. They’re printed all the way through so there’s no way to add explosives
Laphroaig and Lagavulin are my favorite scotches
I'm partial to glenturret. So tasty.
How much training in which recognised fields by which organisations makes anyone an expert witness ?
It depends on the court. An attorney asks questions and the judge rules whether that person is an expert witness from the answers to those questions. The movie My Cousin Vinny shows an example of how that is done.
The folks at demolition ranch would love to fire rifle mounted grenades & launchers. I saw a recent video of theirs using grenade launchers with less than lethal rounds & I thought of you guys when they said they wanted real one's 😂😂😂
Is thatwhat Matt's doing these days? I haven't watched him in so many years, not since him just totally selling out and going totally "bro culture".
@@sinisterthoughts2896 I just watch it for the guns & he's got some pretty rare ones that I'd love a shot of.
So a .69 caliber Charleville musket is legally a black powder muzzeloading cannon ? That sure were a lot of artillerymen in Austerlitz!
I bought some cast iron pipes other day, but my dog does have body armor so I should be fine right?😂 also gasoline is the most energetic compound I have used to date. Off the press would agree when you vaporize and detonate it with the o2 in the air.
You'd be better off feeding your dog tannerite as a little surprise for the letter bois
@@shploonsk oh boy no! That’s 90s style. Today you use internet relay location where you are not designed to be raided, armed with sprayer nozzles to coat them in various bacterial and fungal endospores. Watch them carry them bitches back to the hive and the whole department goes up in a fury wave of insanity. I’m not feeding my dog ammonal. Use your brain!
Wow
Yeah, you are wrong about the pneumatic part. A pneumatic "cannon" is only considered a destructive device if you are using it as one. Otherwise things large bore air rifles would be illegal without registering them. For that matter a paintball gun would be a destructive device as most of them are .68 caliber.
Someone just tried to burn down the “ van Cherokee” house in cave spring with a molatov cocktail…. Look it up!!!!
ATF GUNNA STEP IN????
I did not think DD included things propelled by pneumatics. Ill have to look that up.
It does if it is propelling an object that is anti personel or used as a weapon
You should probably add "legally" to the frase "how to do international arms dealing" . Somehow I think the clientel will change with that word ;)
I collect demilled ord, and it really is a fun hobby, though one day when I have the time, extra money and probably live in a more nfa friendly state, I do want to re-arm my M29 Vietnam era mortar... that is gonna be an expensive project as il have to source a good number or reusable training rounds and get quite a bit of work done on the tube as it's been cut in half and torched in 2 areas to demill it. One can dream of having a mortar pit in their backyard though lmao.
No joke, it is a money pit.........but a pit with a big boom at the end.
What was sneaking by in the background at 2:44?
Looked like a black panther or something.
It's the same thing that's at 6:20 ........it's called a "dog".
Aw tat a cute bomb in the tumb nile saying have a nice day 😊
Due to inflation, that $200 tax stamp is looking like I might have to register some household items to up the 'common use' argument.
Got this lamp I've hated since I bought it... {urge to engrave serial number _intensifies_ }
Lagavulin is the bomb!
this is the kind of people who should work in the atf instead of those office ducks
So, what about just keeping a few flares in your car and then remembering the propane grill in the backyard?
Asking for a friend....
So air powered pumpkin cannons are illegal?
3:15 literally thought that was a bear
So if you only had the stuff to make energetics, but they are only made in small quantities and used as soon as they’re made would it be an issue?
What about a spud gun?
What about potato cannons ? Are those illegal?
Legal until you make the potato into an explosive potato.
@@OrdnanceLabEXPLOSIVE POTOTOA
@@OrdnanceLabI ate a potato with chili and cheese toppings. After about 2 hours, it was explosive. Will I get in trouble?
In oregon, if you fire them within city limits and someone complains, then yeah they're illegal lol. Doesn't matter if they're pneumatic or combustion, in my experience.