As an Iranian atheist who also happens to be gay, still living where I can be sentenced to death twice for both of those "crimes", I really appreciate you getting into this topic. It's definitely a whole other experience than being an atheist in other free countries. I've been absolutely lucky with having progressive and open-minded family and friends and am able to be at least semi open about my true self, however this is not the case for most other people and life can be summarized in just lying and playing pretend on a daily basis. I should also mention that at least half of my country's population are just pretend muslims. It's like being prisoners/hostages here having to play by the strict rules just to survive for another day.
Mate I do not envy you your position, Iran seems such a strange place. Such a contradictory one. I wonder how much the US sanctions have messed your country up? Before them I believe you were the moderate nation in the region.
WOW. That's a fuckin hard life to continue with where you are right now. Ever thought that maybe it may help you to move to another country that accepts diversity as a matter of fact and law? At least then you'll be able to be yourself freely and without fear.
@Gray England, you know our governments are responsible for most of the brutal dictatorships in the world, right? Protesting your government would accomplish more than telling people to move.
As an ex-Muslim that still lives in a Muslim country it sometimes feels so lonely with barely anyone to relate to and not many communities its always refreshing to watch your vids Even they are mostly about Christianity So you can imagine how happy I was to see this video
There is lots of ex-muslim content on RUclips and other social media. Secular Spirit's channel is great, as is Friendly ExMuslim's, and Apostate Aladdin's. Those are my favourites, at least. Best wishes, a Dutch ex-muslim.
@@AJansenNL 😒 I know that an atheist pakistanian who does not understand anything about the religion of Islam and does not even know the basics of this religion. He is just a hater who made throwing suspicions of the Islamic religion and his criticisms ridiculous as a business to take money and support him by communist parties in that, he is a man who knows nothing about Islam and he has a wrong understanding around him and always Muslims respond to him and expose his fallacies and deceptions, this is a man who made himself a laughingstock and exposed himself
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Lol. You're delusional. And weak. Because instead of attacking the arguments Rizvi makes, you attack him. Because you're in denial? Afraid to delve into the points of critique? Or just to ignorant yourself and to intellectually weak to be able to come up with a cohesive, well-reasoned counterargument?
I recently discovered King James onlyism. There are many Christians(read Americans who are awed by thee and thou) who think that the King James Bible is more correct than the Hebrew and Greek original. Including Kent Hovind. Can you cover/make fun of that. I think it sounds like a great source of hilarity.
I know there are Quran only Muslims (I’m ex Muslim) who don’t believe in the Hadith. I wonder if there are Muslims out there who are English only Quran people. Probably not. But it would be amusing.
The amount of times Ive been called islamaphobic over saying 'I'm sorry but its fucked up when youre being homophobic and transphobic and use your religion as a cover for it' is sad.
As an ex-Muslim myself (which I've mentioned here before), I highly appreciate seeing and hearing more of the experiences of others. Aleem is definitely correct here in saying that there is a very big stigma around exposing one's self as "ex-Muslim". I didn't have the same luxury of having accepting parents and immediate family. Although my parents would normally be seen as quite progressive in the Islamic world, the are still very religious, and Islam is a very large part of their lives. Therefore, despite questioning religious teachings from a very young age (at least from age 7), and pretty much left the religion at around age 14. I couldn't come out as "ex-Muslim", even on a personal level, until I have at university, almost a decade ago. I'm still pretty much forced to put on the facade of Islam when in the presence of family friends and such, and my family still have trouble accepting my decision. There is always a lack of openness to criticism, both on the individual level and on the global level, mostly because any criticism of Islam will be seen as a direct criticism and threat of both the individual and the community as a whole. Aleem's point about Heaven and Hell for example; "the all powerful, most merciful, and most caring God, will torture you for all eternity for the simplest of misdeeds" is such an obviously hypocritical point. But even broaching this topic is beyond taboo, and you can risk your own wellbeing by doing so (no joke). I have also personally been in the position where I feel shame and afraid of explicitly declaring my lack of faith out of fear for retaliation. Although I've learned to take more pride in my decision, it's still immensely tough because there seems to be so few that share this opinion and experience. I have also often wondered, much like Aleem, why there seems to be so few ex-Muslim voices. So I want to greatly thank you, Emma, for introducing me to Secular Spirit, and for even just simply exposing that there other ex-Muslims out there that are willing to speak up. You're a gem! :)
Hi Emma. Thanks for this. I saw some comments about bringing in a woman who is an ex-muslim. I would really like to take part in it being an ex-muslim myself. I used to be a very good practicing Muslim who used to pray 5 times a day, read Qur'an everyday, do the fastings every year and wear hijab. I am not an influencer of any kind. I am just a software engineer who works a 40 hours a week job. But I would like to share my experiences with Islam and what drove me away from Islam from a woman's perspective.
Currently watching. Thank you so much for helping bring this more exposure, Emma. I've often been frustrated that while my own experience as a former Christian is pretty represented in the media I consume, I have a partner who is a former Hindu, and I've seen very little for her. Atheist spaces tend to have a very white, very Christian background. I'm grateful to have alternatives to that. Subscribing to his channel.
I have an experience that I am very ashamed of. I'm from Texas, USA. Maybe 20 years ago I got on a bus after work. I was the only passenger when at the next stop, this middle-eastern looking guy (I know, racist stereotyping) with a back pack got on looking all sweaty and nervous. He sat right next to me with all other seats open. My mind jumped to "muslim terrorist with a bomb in back pack". I was sooo scared! He got off the bus a few stops later. He might have been late to a doctor appointment, or a job interview. I felt sooo bad that I jumped to such a racist view based on his appearance. Since then I've consciously tried to not stereotype people. I as a brown person should have not gone there in my mind cuz I've experienced that same thing, but it still happened and I am ashamed. So here's to growing in those 20 years and growing for the rest of my human existence. Cheers!!
I wouldn’t worry. You son or daughter will likely marry out; perhaps someone from a Muslim family. You’ll be wonder what all the fuss was about in your latter age.
What he said about hell really resonated with me. I use to have nightmares about dying and being sent to hell as a pretty young child. I also remember doing a Bible study of the end times and it terrified me because the people giving the lesson were convinced that Jesus was coming back soon, and the things they said we were gonna have to do really scared me. Like they would talk about how we would have to live out in caves or in the woods because the government would start killing all Christians. They literally told a me as a young kid that if we got captured we’d have to stay strong and not apostatize even if they tortured us. Horrible things for me as a kid to have to process that in my lifetime I may be tortured and killed for Jesus and this was a good thing because God had special rewards in heaven for martyrs.
This was such an interesting discussion. I've come across a handful of Muslim creators on RUclips who educate people on Islam. I find it fascinating as I perceive a lot of the teachings as mindfulness. The biggest thing that was a red flag for me was that there is a lot of weight placed on the idea of there being a spiritual and extreme difference between men and women. And as a gender abolitionist that part particularly bothers me.
37:20 as an ex-christian, i can relate to this so much. the first time i experienced sleep paralysis, i thought i was having a vision of the devil and i was in a panic for days after
Hello lovely people, thank you very much for joining! Once you've finished this video, please do check out the second half over on Aleem's channel: ruclips.net/video/LLxGyaZbTT4/видео.html We'll be continuing the discussion into addressing Islam without feeding into Bigotry 🦆 ALSO if you have any favourite ex-Muslim content creators, please drop them in the comments!
Personally I would suggest Apostate Prophet, he has a complicated backstory to put it mildly, so arbours strong feelings about the Islam... His channel is a mix bag of satirical videos (sometimes a bit cringey XD) and debunking Muslim apologetics, still he is well versed both about religion and philosophy.
Apostate Aladdin, Infidel Noodle, and Friendly Ex-Muslim are all great! Everyone is going to suggest Apostate Prophet, and while he does make very good content, he panders towards Christians and is friends with a Christian apologist.
@@AntiStarry AP is friend with David Wood which, as you rightly said, is a Christian apologist but what makes you say that he panders to Christians? ...I never got such an impression and personally think that guilt by association in 99.9% of the cases is a weak argument.
As someone who knows virtually nothing about Islam I found this extremely fascinating and enjoyable. Thank you for the video Emma, and thank you SecularSpirit for sharing your knowledge!
Loved this interview Emma, as someone who is critical of religion overall due to my personal experiences growing up Christian, I also believe in respectfully and delicately critiquing religions such as Islam because of the racism and stigma that is largely attached to that. Christians don’t experience the same violence and hatred that Muslims experience in western countries when their religion is criticized. It makes having a conversation extremely difficult. Massive respect to Secular Spirit for having these conversations while being aware of the stigma. Would love to see more discussions like these in the future for a variety of religions!
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 No criteria other than personal experience with Christianity. I wouldn’t critique Islam because I don’t have the experience or knowledge to. I’d leave that to those who have experienced it and can properly talk about it.
to understand the religion of Islam well, read the biography of the Prophet (there are many reliable books that speak of his biography) and read the Noble Qur’an, and also you should watch videos of Muslims like dawah, othman bin farouk, Mohammed hijab, Dr. Haitham talaat, Ali dawah. To understand any religion not with x-a particular religion this is not logical and unfair When searching for Islam, do not enter sites that hate it or unreliable sites and Wikipedia as well, beware
Thank you for discussing this topic! It works be very interesting to also hear this topic discussed from an ex-muslim that identifies as a woman. Really hope to see that soon! I've learned so much, and it is so great that you Emma took Secular Spirit into your channel to talk absolut this topic such a good and open way that you guys did. This has opened my eyes for something I didn't know much about. Great content!
Hello Emma and Secular Spirit, that was a very interesting discussion. I do a hospital radio programme in Oxford’s NHS hospitals and welcome people that are listeners (patients) from numerous countries, cultures and religions. One part of each of the weekly programme is “the International Diary” where various National or regional/local religious days and festivals are celebrated. I use various sources for accurate details to be used in short feature articles to inform people, not of that faith, about the event. Unfortunately, the programmes currently being broadcast do not have “the Int. Diary” as I have had health problems and am not able to produce and present the programmes live. The pre-recorded back up programme are being broadcast at present. Wishing you Love Peace and Happiness, Doug.
Approaches to the Qur'an as with all sacred texts vary greatly, some Muslims view parts of it as applying to the time and place it was revealed while others see it as entirely applicable today but vary in how they apply it. I was born in a Muslim country to British parents, the way the faith is portrayed in UK media was illustrated by the coverage of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait showing the faith as a nebulous threat and inherently violent. This last idea always struck me as ridiculous coming from Christian communities who conquered the greater part of the globe and waged two world wars. Islamophobes often treat Muslims as a race and think it makes sense to say 'they....' about over a billion people. What it means to be Muslim can be 'Honour your parents, there is only one God,' to rigid fundamentalism, sadly during the last century fundamentalism has been used as a foreign policy tool by some western countries, not just by keeping fanatical regimes like that of Saudi Arabia in power. Saying 'there are differences in values' and attributing that solely to faith is reductionist in my opinion. Historically there have been times when homosexuality was tolerated within the Muslim world leading to places like Morocco, Egypt or Istanbul having a reputation for being liberated in that respect. Some of Aleems experiences seem the result of being educated in UAE whereas much of the Muslim world is more progressive.
You do realize that islamic and arab empires also have colonized and conquered the greater part of the globe and subjected the native population in those countries to ethnic and religious assimilation. The arab slave trade in africa is well and live even today. The ottoman empire alone spanned seven centuries and ruled over 3 continents (asia, africa, and half of europe). The arabs even ruled over spain and italy and basically arabized/assimilated the entirety of the middle east and north africa. Islam has a colonial history just like Christian Europe.
@@xypaisb8026 To say the early Arab conquests covered a 'greater part of the globe' is inaccurate, the area was much less than half of three continents the Ottomans never conquered half of Europe, by area at its' greatest it was still less than a quarter. It was never remotely as successful in conquering the globe.
Most of the Muslim world is much more regressive. Take a look at the treatment of minorities in Pakistan or how the Yazidis of Iraq were betrayed by their very own Arab neighbours when Isis arrived. Muslims of the West or even UAE are much more liberal. Here in the Indian subcontinent, every Muslim around me denies 9/11 (personal experience as an ex-Muslim atheist). I am with you in opposing Islamophobia and bigotry against Muslims. I feel angry just like you when I see the religious hatred and Islamophobia in India. But let us take a look at the reality of Muslims globally. It's a sad situation today. Things remain stagnant. There are a lot of different reasons for this of course. But a problem exists and we should acknowledge it.
@@anonymous_4276 From what I understand of the current situation in India being a former Muslim makes no difference to the bigots. I don't think things are stagnant everywhere in south-east Asia there are fewer problems that come with conflicts within or next door. There are problems within the Umma but the same could be said of all faiths, last US president wouldn't have been elected without evangelicals to give an example.
@@mrmr446 it makes no difference to anyone but me. I'm not trying to appease anyone dude. I have nothing but contempt towards the bigots in India. You are right in saying that there are problems everywhere. My comment was mainly trying to point out the problem among the Ummah though. The culture of UAE is still comparatively liberal compared to most Muslim countries. That's the point.
Secular Spirit sounds like a nice bloke... and the fact that he's an EX-Muslim is very courageous, and worthy of praise. (Which, of course, in and of itself, is a well-deserved critique if Islam!)
I don't disagree, but living in Canada myself, I can't say I'd know of a country where it would be easier, actually. Fundamentalist anything kinda raises eyebrows and rolls eyes in just about any social setting here. Even the conservative American Christian fundamentalists are usually compelled to pretend they're normal here, and only reveal their claws anonymously. I've spoken to a hijab-wearing woman here who have joked with me about hiding whiskey under her hijab. I rode the train into a station when two "normal" looking teenage girls who'd been giggling and chatting suddenly realised they were at their station, and whipped out their dresses and hijabs from their backpacks and put them on right in front of me in about 5 seconds before the train pulled into the station. All this in the sixth largest city here, where there is a pretty healthy proportion of ruralites.
@@MultiCappie Sadly, we can't all live in Canada! And tbh, I don't think I'd want to... though I'm sure most Canadians are wonderful people... the ones I've met have been very friendly and far warmer than the climate from which they come... which is the main reason I doubt I'd like to live there! You see, I migrated from the UK to Oz precisely because it's so much warmer here! And Canadian winters, I hear, are so much colder even than British ones! (Struth mate! Even the Ozzie winters are too cold for my liking!) ;) I agree that all 'fundamentalist' religions are serious pains in the derriere, and it's true that to declare one's independence from ANY of these religions is certainly worth considering as a courageous move! But with Islam, there is still a real risk of actually being killed for apostasy, even in non-Muslim countries which have a sizeable Muslim contingent. (Possibly even in Canada!) This is why I think ex-Muslim atheists and/or agnostics deserve to be considered particularly brave. I doubt the 'hiding whiskey under the hijab' thing is unique to Canada, though... One could hide a multitude of 'sins' under such a garment! (Which is why it's such a worry to security agencies!) But the tale you tell about girls whipping out their hijabs and robes just as their train was approaching their station should tell you that they, at least, still felt they had something to fear should they be caught in 'civilian mufti'! Of course, you and I realize it's probably just 'normal' teenage rebelliousness... but to fundamentalist Muslims, it would be regarded as apostasy! And 'Allah' alone knows what might happen to them if they were caught! One can only admire their spirit, though, huh? :D
@@theseustoo Yes, the Winters here are quite real. I have no idea how we survive. (hahaha) You're right about courageousness, and I didn't mean to disagree, just pointing out it's a matter of degree. About the girls dressing on the train, I think it was because their dads were picking them up at the station. Sure they're still compelled obviously against their wills, but it doesn't "feel" so odious. Just like not telling one's parents that we were drinking at Jeff's house. Lately I've been seeing a massive uptick in hijabless female Arab and North Africans around too. It's nice, I think it means the whole community is feeling safer. Cheers to everyone in Oz.
@@MultiCappie Oh I'd just bet those girls' dads were picking them up at the station! Interesting, isn't it, that the moment one tries to repress the human spirit, that's the moment when rebellion really starts! Though, imo, that kind of repression is still pretty odious... even if the parents think they're trying to do their best for their kids. Understandable, perhaps, but still odious. Maybe it's just that I never really grew up... (older, yes, but 'up'... no!) but I'm pretty much on the side of the teenagers! Whether it's those girls, or you having a few jars at Jeff's house! (Think I knew Jeff too! In another life, in the UK!) It's a sign of progress, I suppose, that there are more hijabless female Arabs and North Africans wandering around... and a tribute to Canada that said women feel safe enough to go without them there, knowing that Canadian law has got their backs! So, I think we pretty much agree on that! Cheers to everyone in Canada, too! (Except of course, for your execrable Prime Monster, Justin Turdeau... but then, no country can really help it's politicians... they're a breed of snakes all to themselves!) Nice chatting... have a nice day! :)
@@theseustoo When I say "not... so odious" I mean compared to your "civilian mufti". Anyway, that's the backdrop in which Secular Spirit here has been able to emerge. Still courageous, no question, but we'll try to have his back as well. Say hi to Jeff when you see him. Tell him I still want my Swiss Army Knife returned.
23:50 I'm from Quebec City and I think I can contextualize it a bit. Being pretty much the only French left after the English won the war, the catholic church took upon themselves to "resist" the "bad kind of Christians" and were very involved in peoples lives, telling them to have a lot of children to "outnumber" the English. The catholic church was very powerful, in schools, hospital AND government. This lead to what we call the "révolution tranquille" that I could roughly translate to the "calm revolution" in 60s where people from Quebec had enough with catholic church and it lead to separation of church and state and since then Quebec has been very protective over it, where religion is not allowed to tell us what to do. So in that context, I think Islam doesn't hit well in part because of the hijab, it looks like submission to a religion, control over women, so combine this with the fact we don't understand islam, can bring anger and fear over the comeback of religion taking over the government and dictating our lives. That being said, I do like to understand things, but I do not condone it. I'd rater denounce the message, not the messenger. I feel the best way for people to be part of our society is to accept them and be nice. Because of all those historical things I spoke of, I think Quebec is probably the easiest place in north america to be an atheist, I grew up in a weird small catholic cult, so it's why I reach out to that kind of content, but I feel in any situation where a system of belief becomes bigger and bigger, the bad people comes out and the obvious thing a large group of atheist would do is to persecute religious people, even more if it's a mix with the perception of "the other" coming from another country, another culture.
If your books are organized by colour and not title, author, or subject or most recent read? The books arent for reading; they are for looking at Or people seeing them in your videos
Hello Emma 😊 Thanks for arranging this meeting, and also for your lovely encouragement for Aleem. ❤ If you want to dive a little deeper with Islam, I would recommend a "study Quran" such as The Critical Quran, or one by an Islamic publisher. Also, Muhammad's traditional biography by Ibn Hisham called the Sirah might also be useful.
Thanks for hipping me to Secular Spirit, and having a sane discussion about Islam. Many atheists have a special place for Muslims. It really frustrates me.
I hear a tale - a woman is raped by her neighbour. Sharia law decreed that the rapist should be punished by having HIS wife raped in return by the victim's husband. Serves the rapist right, right ? Perfect justice, right ?
Is there going to be a part two? I’d love to hear more of this conversation. I know it’s a bit of a tricky subject for all the reasons discussed, but I think that you two are able to address it respectfully.
Lol, already after the “intro” into Islam I have to say. Damn that’s bloody convenient that everyone before was wrong and everyone who will come afterwards is lying, surely that has nothing to do with twisting the established narrative and preventing anyone in the future to do the same 😂
All religions should be critiqued and we/woke shouldn't shut down problem discussions about any. I think the current don't mention anything about religion including problems is not healthy and doesn't progress religions improving themselves to meet better moral and cultural values. Honor killing your daughter (for many reasons) is despicable practice no one should be quiet about talking about ways to shut this practice down.
I'm an atheist that's really intrested in learning about religion, i've never had a chance to learn much about islam, i really appreciated this video, thank you :)
Enjoyed the discussion. Being an ex-Muslim is probably one of the more dangerous ex-religious acts one could make. Belief systems are largely driven by provincial tribalism and Islam suffers a lot in this area. Hence in Afganistan we read or hear of monthly killings of Muslim Sufis, Shittes and any other minorities, who don't adhere to the provincial tribalism of the in power group. Hopefully enlightening influences will change this mindset for all belief systems in all religions.
As an ex-Muslim atheist from India, I still feel like a Muslim when I see the mob lynchings and demolitions of Muslim houses occuring in India (which are supported by the ruling party). There's frustration about things remaining stagnant in my community and even more frustration at all this hatred in this country today.
thank you so much Aleem for sharing your experiences and speaking out against the harm inflicted by religious people and institutions. I take issue with a couple of points in this video: 1) The portrail of Islam as an inherantly more rigid and ressistante to changes than christianity. As far as I'm aware, Islam is generally a far less dogmatic religion, stemming from its far lesser emphasis more on law and practice than on belief. Religious reform in Islam have always been a matter of practicality and bettering the conditions of people in this world - to differing degrees depending on the period. this is not always enough, evidently, considering the horrible things people have used Islam to justify, but the ideas of Islah (reform), Istislah (ruling according to the public intrest), and Igma' (consent and agreement between the islamic community) are inherant to Islamic jurisprudence. How those principles are used or misused is a result of social and historical circumstances, not an inharent part of the religion. and indeed, as Islamic sociaties become more liberal and open we see movments like the Wasatiya (or the Modernist in the turn of the 20th centuary) which have a more flexible view of the religion. 2) Related is the issue of different values Muslim people have. Again, I think its important to emphasize that religions change, and they are subject to historical forces. The example of homophobia is a good one, since homosexuality was tolerated far more in islamic sociaties than in christian ones for most of those relgions' history. I'm not saying there isn't inherant intolerance in Islam, there is. But also a lot of the intolerance in all religious communities isn't an unchangeable part of the religious tradition.
It is not a phobia when the authorities of a movement actually says that you will be tortured, and/or killed, because you dare question the lack of proof for what they claim to be real.
If you talk about islam being crazies, then no we arent being islamophobes. Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!? It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies??? They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!". How can people be so blind? You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!? You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc? Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them! Think about that. They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B.... And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!! WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!? This world is MAD. They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe".... LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
28:46 - I wish you had more here about this point! There's a cut there, too... did you cut the interesting part? I'm curious how you mean it that the Islamophobia originated in oil.... I can think of ways that might be true, but I don't know much specific information about it, so... would love for you to go into it sometime (or just say a little here in a comment) if you could. Anyway, super interesting discussion here; thank you both for sharing this discussion with your viewers!
Back in the 80's friends applied for a licences to set up a table in the city centre promoting anti vivisection (BUAV) and a separate licence for an atheist table. AV with graphic depictions no problem, atheist table denied because the city council could not guarantee their safety. Doubt attitudes have changed much over the years, glad technology has given rise to platforms these and other topics can be openly talked about. Really unhappy we are still unable to publicly voice these opinions without attracting violence.
Hello. This video made me think I might be islamophobic to some degree. Born and raised in Poland, which is known for being one of the most xenophobic countries in Europe, I've never been exposed that much to other religions. I am an agnostic, coming from a Christian household, but religion never played an important role in my life. However, my early teens, when I was young and impressionable, was the time of an intensive immigration of Middle Eastern people to Germany. You could not get through one day without hearing the news about a crime commited there by an immigrant, whether was it R, SA, assault or killing. I was taught quite early that I cant believe everything I hear on the news, but that exposition - when it lasts for years - leaves some kind of prejudice in you. When I was at the Uni, I met a muslim guy, who turned out to be a complete douchebag (and his douchebaggery had absolutely nothing to do with his religion). Another time was when I served in the military. I wanted to shake this man's hand, and he seemed offended. I realized I must have done something wrong, but he didn't want to explain it to me. Here, all the books about women marrying a Muslim man and moving to his place are sold as horror stories and cautionary tales, they are in every bookstore on the front shelf. And my problem is that I have never met a nice, friendly Muslim person, even though I would like to. IMHO, it is easier to talk about phobias, prejudices, biases, etc when you are exposed to different races and religions from a young age. But if most of your most impressionable years are spent without even meeting a person of color or a different religion, living in a close, homogenic community, it can be much more difficult. And even though I try to be as open minded as possible (my friends consider me very leftist), in the back of my mind, I am scared. I am scared that a person I want to make friends with can actually hurt me. What can I do about it?
Find a group and join it, in person if you can preferably. A civic Muslim group, or an activist group working on grassroots issues in a community, even a group especially designed for people to meet and to help ease our unconscious (or conscious) biases through education. Sometimes you can't wade into the water, you have to drive right in. It's helpful to keep in mind that they might be wary of you too. I'm American (though my ancestry is from Poland) and I've gotten stares walking through predominantly Black communities, because while I have no problem in non-white communities, my presence can be scary for them. They don't know if I'm there to go to the restaurant or a friend's house, or if I'm there to bomb a church and go on a racist shooting spree. While our whiteness is a privilege that affords us access to almost every place, it doesn't make us immune from other people looking at us a potential threat to their lives. Speaking of restaurants, if there is a small Muslim enclave, or really any ethnicity, you can get to easily go and try the food. You never know who you'll meet, plus you get some amazing dishes that hail from other areas of the world! And you'll be supporting a small business so it's a win all around. Once you see that other people are people, and we're ALL capable of doing good or bad things regardless of the labels we put on ourselves and each other, the fear starts to go away.
I'm Muslim myself, remember a Muslim teaching teach to be a human being, but not all human being learn or practice Islam, like you learn physics in school how often you applied it??
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!? It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies??? They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!". How can people be so blind? You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!? You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc? Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them! Think about that. They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B.... And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!! WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!? This world is MAD. They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe".... LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
A genuine question... Why's that questioning about Islam will increase islamophobia but talking about christianity will not increase phobia against christians ? Also most of time I see people or countries discussing only about islamophobia, they don't even consider about phobia against other religions exists and we should also talk about that.
Because islam want to pass as the sole victim, everywhere: despite setting fire to the countries that welcomed them, and breaking stuff/our rules etc. As soon as someone DARE stand up to defend themselves against them, they are "islamophobes". Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!? It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies??? They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!". How can people be so blind? You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!? You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc? Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them! Think about that. They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B.... And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!! WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!? This world is MAD. They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe".... LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
You have a fair point, especially considering that Islam is overhated and people also tend to misinterpret paganism and even Christianity and Islam (obviously).
I don't worry much about talking about any specific religion. My 1st question for anybody who tries to proselytize me with their religion is "what evidence do you have any of that is true?" Nobody has ever provided any evidence.
There is a lot of evidence for the validity of an Islamic religion through the biography of the Messenger and his life, and there are many reliable books that record his says and actions called “the hadith” and in it there are many prophecies that the Messenger said and most of them have been fulfilled, as well as the book the Holy Qur’an, which is the word of God, in which there are many Linguistic, scientific, numerical, historical miracles and prophecies have all been fulfilled except during the period of the Prophet and after him, and there is also a challenge in finding one contradiction in the Qur’an as a contradiction in linguistics, historical, scientific, numerical and in the validity of a prophecy, that Muhammad is the Messenger of God and The book of the Qur’an is the word of God and the religion of Islam is the religion of truth, because the Prophet Muhammad was not a writer, nor a poet, nor a scholar, nor a philosopher, nor a traveler, nor a judge, nor a king, but rather he did not know how to read. He lives in the desert with Bedouins, lives in a tribal system, tends the sheep of the tribe of Mecca, and he is also a simple merchant, and this is a 1400-year-old book that is difficult to be from human speech, so historically they were astonished by non-believers in his period and said that he is a magician and they know him that he did not He was neither a magician nor a priest, but we can say that the truth was difficult for them, so they did not accept him from the beginning, but with the passage of time they all believed in him when they were removed from their arrogance and opened their minds.
You'll have to excuse me, I was never formally taught (The Quran), but I was under the impression that Jesus (Isa) was magically born of a virgin in the Quran. In any case, I think exploring the denominations of Christianity is necessary for deconstruction, and also the entire historical relationship between Judaism, Islam, and Christianity is ironic as hell. Awesome video! You just reminded me of Infidel Noodle. I haven't seen her in a while.
The conflation of Islamic atheism and islamophobia makes this a very difficult topic to discuss for those outside of the cultures and races typically associated with Islam. Would love to see some follow-up discussions.
The "Barbaric Practices Hotline" proposal in Canada was outrageously named and probably cost PM Harper the ensuing election (I had voted for him previously but thought he had lost his mind when he announced it), but it didn't come out of nowhere - There had been a series of "honor killings" where Muslim girls had been murdered by family - usually fathers and brothers, usually for going on dates, trying to get out of arranged marriages, and in one case, a triple homicide where all three of a family's daughters were killed by their parents, apparently for wearing western clothing. These murders were very highly publicized at the time and I'm sure this influenced the government of the day. They probably had reason to think it would be quite popular.
After escaping evangelical Christianity, I then became a salafi Muslim (from one bigoted backwards cult to another) now I'm nothing, I just study religions like Judaism and indigenous spirituality (cause of my ethnicities). However I will say, I generally feel safer being around Muslims as a queer person (besides the ultra-right ones) than I do being around the average evangelical Christian/catholic/Mormon
Video: transgenders doing tabligh Al-Baqarah 2:140 أَمْ تَقُولُونَ إِنَّ إِبْرَٰهِۦمَ وَإِسْمَٰعِيلَ وَإِسْحَٰقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَٱلْأَسْبَاطَ كَانُوا۟ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَٰرَىٰۗ قُلْ ءَأَنتُمْ أَعْلَمُ أَمِ ٱللَّهُۗ وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّن كَتَمَ شَهَٰدَةً عِندَهُۥ مِنَ ٱللَّهِۗ وَمَا ٱللَّهُ بِغَٰفِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do. There is no ideal for you except allah.
I too was brought up in the UK in a not religious household but we were still expected to go to church, sing Christian songs in assembly and had Religious Education lessons at school where the teacher said I quote "Christians are good people" (I'm not saying some are not good people). We covered other religions a tiny bit I think. I can't even remember what though. Much, much later I was in a training course at work and the subject of religion came up and the tutor looked around briefly and said "I assume we're all Christians here" I said Erm...No! I'm going to assume that he made the mistake because he was older and a bit narrow minded.
He said Muslims believe Jesus Christ was crucified. Correction: Muslims believe that Jesus was teleported to heavens, and the guy who was crucified was actually a Lookalike, (and some say God transformed Judas to look like Jesus, so the Romans arrested him).
Islam began with a merchant's dream of an angel and a book which spread through word of mouth and human thought which was written on scraps of paper and collected into a man made book which was memorized by generations of children through schools and imams.
Yes, this is the strength of the Qur’an in that it is preserved from corrupted, as it is considered that people’s memorization of the Qur’an is more secure than writing the Qur’an immediately without memorizing it, an example of this is an Bible book that adopted this method, and the result was that it corrupted As such they used to write the Qur’an, but they were in papers, not in the book, and after the death of a prophet, the Qur’an was collected in the book
I'm kind of an ex-muslim, well... I am an ex-muslim, I just say this because I don't actually tell anyone, even my brother who I think has a similar thinking to me, who I think is also an atheist because he doesn't believe in heaven or hell. I grew up not knowing what atheism was, I knew there was other religions but never thought that atheist's exist, before I got into kindergarten I knew how to read the Quran, and then I went to a Christian kindergarten, I didn't really care about it because I was just a kid. And now I'm an atheist, I'm still in a Muslim country (infact the largest Muslim country) They teach about how to respect other religions but they don't say that about atheism, maybe when I'm older I could move out or something.
Quran [32:12] If only you could see the wicked hanging their heads ˹in shame˺ before their Lord, ˹crying:˺ “Our Lord! We have now seen and heard, so send us back and we will do good. We truly have sure faith ˹now˺!”
I have been watching a Muslim channel with a couple. Their channel is called MehdinaTV. Maybe you should check them out. I liked them because they do their best to educate non muslims about Islam and be a bit entertaining about it. I am not Muslim, nor do I ever see myself considering Islam but I was tired of hearing everything I knew about the religion from those that hate it for one reason or another. The wife completely covers and always says she is not forced to and would continue to cover even if he husband asked her not to. I find them interesting and would love for you to do a video with them one day.
They seem well-meaning, but at the same time very naive. Just as I used to be, when I was a (convert) muslim. And the amount of cognitive dissonance to reconcile oneself with, to be honest, outdated, sexist, and ridiculous rules, is astounding. How they portray islam may seem harmless and fun, but underneath the surface is a whole lot of bad stuff. Fine if they want to live that way, but that doesn't make what they believe pretty.
As an agnostic atheist, I've read all the sacred books from the Abrahamic tradition: from the Babylonian Talmud, to Lt. Hubbard's _Dianetics._ Out of all the books from the Abrahamic tradition, _The Quran_ has been my favorite. Like, really; it is my favorite. How and why? Unlike the Biblical Old Testament? The Quran shows God being super loving and likable. While the OT normally describes God as jealous and vindictive, not a single passage of the Quran describes God as mean or jealous. God is *ALWAYS* described as _loving, merciful, forgiving, kind, etc._ Basically, any adjective one can think about to describe someone being kind and likable is used to describe God. Second, like the gentleman in the video says: Christians and Jews are also *Keepers of the Book* per Islam. They're equals in the eyes of God. Chapter two (The Cow) verse 62 says so: _The [Muslim] believers, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians- all those who believe in God and the Last Day and do good- will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve._ Right there!
The racist aspect of islamophobia is definitely a legitimate concern, but as an ex-muslim still living in an islamic country, I've been called an islamophobe for criticizing the religion, and legitimately fearing it. This is where the term loses its meaning. A phobia is the irrational fear of something, But me and many others like me, we fear Islam because we are living in oppressive countries, where quitting the religion is punishable by death. This is a rational fear that ex-muslims, queers, and women have in these countries.
Exactly. But for years now this is spreading to ALL the countries islam has been taking over. It's all over the news, people living in these welcoming countries also support this: it is real and yet islam still cry victim, crying "islamophobia!". Cant people truly open their eyes and SEE what they have been doing? That religion is now the biggest on earth.... it's insane. They're taking over and people are letting them else if we defend ourselves we are "racists"....
Canadian ex-mormon (exmo) atheist here, wondering if you’ve explored Mormonism at all. I’d love to see a similar conversation like this about Mormonism. There are a few good exmo RUclipsrs I could recommend reaching out to if you want an exmo with RUclips cred to collaborate with.
Thanks for this. I am highly critical of all religion, but given the prejudices that white Christians here in the USA have against Muslims, it's hard to have an honest discussion about Islam without sinking into religious bigotry. So I always appreciate hearing from former Muslims who are critical of Islam.
to understand the religion of Islam well, read the biography of the Prophet (there are many reliable books that speak of his biography) and read the Noble Qur’an, and also you should watch videos of Muslims like dawah, othman bin farouk, Mohammed hijab, Dr. Haitham talaat, Ali dawah. To understand any religion not with x-a particular religion this is not logical
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Yes, thanks for that. My academic background means that I am fortunate to count many Muslim persons among my friends. In addition to scholars of Islam, I try to learn what ordinary Muslims think and believe. Frankly, I think how believers actually practice a religion is far more instructive that readings its holy books or scholarly treatments. It's all pretty interesting. Of course, I am starting from the premise that no divinity of any kind actually exists. While I love my religious friends and respect their right to be religious, I still think they are wrong. A universe with a God is a very different place than a universe without one. Further, believing in things that don't exist causes people to make wrong decisions, often with harmful results. So, for anyone willing to listen, I advocate the skeptical perspective.
@@phakeacount2228 "I disputed from the skeptical and ungrateful atheists(mean he's not looking for the truth) , and found the skeptic more clearly aware of the essence of speech than the ingratiating people. Abu Ishaq said: The doubt is closer to you than the denier, and there was never certainty until there was doubt before it, and no one moved from one belief to another belief until there was a state of doubt between them.". "Al jahiz writer"
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!? It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies??? They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!". How can people be so blind? You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!? You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc? Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them! Think about that. They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B.... And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!! WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!? This world is MAD. They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe".... LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
I have recently found your channel and as an Atheist felt a kindred spirit! I will not comment on today's topic until I have heard it in full, as I have my own opinions currently on Islam!
My brother, to understand the religion of Islam well, read the biography of the Prophet (there are many reliable books that speak of his biography) and read the Noble Qur’an, and also you should watch videos of Muslims like dawah, othman bin farouk, Mohammed hijab, Dr. Haitham talaat, Ali dawah. To understand any religion not with x-a particular religion this is not logical
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Not speaking or reading Arabic I have read translations of parts of the Curan, Sira and the Hadith (not sure of the spelling). Nothing I have read has changed my mind of the political intent of Islam. I believe in total separation of church and state! I also believe that Islam is a political Ideology masquerading as a religion, commonly referred to as a Theocracy. I treat every Muslim I meet as an individual and have Muslims I regard as friend in spite of Islam, which states Muslims should be friendly with non Muslims but not true friends.
My feel for this topic is broad. But a scene in Vikings summed it up best. "What if your god doesn't exist or my gods, what if the gods don't exist. Then we have to live with that." Most people can't. I have since childhood.
Im Dutch, living amongst all kinds of religious and non religious people. I've talked with all kinds of em, genralisation of those inside a group is easy to do. And thus that happens allott but in reality it is useless. So having a limmited pool of information hampers me/us to judge any group, thats logical. Think for yourself is'nt really accepted, we all are forced to learn things. Some make sence some dont, some are good some bad. Group-mentality, peer pressure can be usefull, but also can be detremental and far worse. I am agnostic thus spoken about religions of all kinds of faiths, I know of plenty that cannot escape from having to life in that stranglehold. Many wont ever be able to escape ' Have a coming out moment' and have serious issues because of that. I know it takes allor of currage to dare share this with another, because it can be live treatning in some cases. Religion is surpressive and is and has proven to be dangerous, and those dare be honest about that are to be praised. Ubuntu 👍
As a conservative in Canada, in Alberta . I appreciate that you she that we are different then the USA. I want the country to be more fiscally responsible, and I like this channel. I feel that should say something, and that all conversation are important.
I don't know how i ended up here buuuuut I think I will stay a bit. For a french perspective (oui bonjour !), it's quite funny to see the differences between our culturally close countries about religions.
The concept of Muslim no go areas in the UK is hilarious. I had this discussion with some fool who thought that there was one in East London so I was just waiting for him to tell me where it was so that I could go there and post a load of selfies. Obviously he couldn't give me the location as it was nonsense.
@@steveo4991 Pretty sure you've no idea what you're talking about. If you're on about the grooming gangs then they wouldn't exist if what you said was true. Try harder and attempt to think it through first. Logical thought processes aren't hard.
@@steveo4991 Yeah the grooming gangs just picked up young white girls who accidentally wandered into these no go areas that don't exist. Perfect logic, you've proved my point.
Had nice time. Wish you were there. The chat was interesting as I think the WORD was misinterpreted by folk who want there own style of what God wants. When it was simple words like thou shall not kill did not well, love thy neighbour, only you have to not try to harm them for not being like you. When the world Loves rather than Hates, we will build heaven on Earth. Without worship an invisible being or words, but feel the miracle of peace. No matter who you are or where from.
Other than religion, did you know scientifically and psychologically, gays are considered a sexual deviation and a departure from the original nature of the human being, and there is no such thing as genetic, this is according to the words of scholars
Quran [54:7] - [54:8] Their eyes humbled, they will emerge from the graves as if they were locusts spreading, rushing towards the caller. The disbelievers will cry, “This is a difficult Day!
As a Brummie, I was very amused by the memes in the wake of the Faux News claims. My own contribution was bringing awareness to the radical anti-Christian cleric Ozzama bin Osbourne.
I wonder if you think that so-called "islamophobia" is unjustified...? Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!? It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies??? They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!". How can people be so blind? You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!? You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc? Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them! Think about that. They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B.... And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!! WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!? This world is MAD. They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe".... LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
I am American (atheist). Out of curiosity how are the areas in Canada where Muslims have moved? Are they demanding special privileges, or having "no go areas" for law enforcement, or just non-Muslims? I have heard of this type of thing in England, and other EU countries. And a little here in the US. Dearborn Mi comes to mind, but I'm not sure. I could be thinking of something to do with Flint.
My cousin converted to Islam and was urging me to read the Quran. While reading the Quran, there were a few things that were alright to me, like telling people to care for the poor, needy, orphans and to free slaves. I haven’t gotten to finish reading it yet, but one thing that stuck out to me was how they described menstruating women as impure. Like, no? That’s a basic biological function that many women go through, there’s nothing pure or impure about it? And then it started getting into the rules of divorce, and it was clear that by divorce, it meant that a man can divorce his wife, but not the other way around. Just as Emma said, I feel as if it’s impossible for me to get into this kind of religion, as a woman, that teaches such views on women- especially since I had just gotten out of Christianity. Still going to keep reading and educating myself on it though, since my cousin is a professing Muslim and that the religion and it’s history and geography altogether is pretty damn interesting.
Al-Baqarah 2:222 وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلْمَحِيضِۖ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَٱعْتَزِلُوا۟ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فِى ٱلْمَحِيضِۖ وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَۖ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ ٱللَّهُۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلتَّوَّٰبِينَ وَيُحِبُّ ٱلْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is hurt, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves." It will be your job to memorise this so that you can tell that man who tries to approach you to rape you. For there is no ideal for you except Allah.
I think what annoys people about Zarah Sultana is that: one, she talks like a 14 year-old and, two, she belongs to a religion that stones women to death and she never condemns the practice of stoning women. We don't worry about upsetting Mormons (probably because it's mainly white Americans) but we tread carefully when approaching Islam. Islam is terrible ideology. Yes, the Bible is just as bad but the difference is there are no Bible-based theocracies where women are stoned to death. Israel doesn't have stonings, and yet that law is in the Torah. Islam is fascism from a 'holy book'. Sultana has been brainwashed to believe that Islam came from a god. She's deluded. There is no god. She believes in a ideology that treats women as chattel. She's free to speak as she pleases become she doesn't live in an Islamic theocracy. In truth, secular Britain is saving her from her own credulity. She talks naïve nonsense. She talks about the evil of capitalism and yet her religion conquered many countries (only Spain and Portugal broke free from the Arab conquests; and it took Spain 400 years!) Pakistan is a territory that was conquered early. Is Pakistan a good country to be a woman in? Islam is pernicious. Islam has held Pakistan back (it's held it back morally and it's held it back as far as women's rights are concerned). I can't believe you've been so pusillanimous when talking about Islam. You may as well have not made a video. You obviously only feel comfortable slapping down morons like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind; but when you're actually faced with something as truly horrible as Islam, you pull your punches. You almost give a warning you might have to say something bad about Islam! Gutless.
Readable book on Islam: "No God but God". Reva Aslan. It's readable but he is also a believer. OTOH, seems to be a thoughtful believer. He's a Western convert.
@ottopotatum5775 Nobody who writes about a religion *represents* it. Don't think I implied this. "on Islam", "he's a believer", "it's readable", "it's thoughtful".
I can aesthetically understand but am intellectually mortified seeing a bookcase with the books ordered by the colours of their backs. I *so* hope this is just a weird coïncidence and the books just happen to have their bindings coloured according to their topics.
This is anecdotal obviously but as an ex Muslim I never experienced any hate for that. My dad only asked why cause he thought I was an atheist and that I should look into even being Jewish or Christian. His only concern was that I didn't believe in god at all. Again from my experience it was just like any other religion there are people who adhere to the book and others who use it as more guide lines. Heck one of my favorite memories was going to the mosque in Fridays with my grandma and while the grownups would pray me and the kids would play and one of the games was tag but we would run all over the mosque and even in the prayer room which was funny to me cause it was typical children screaming till they passed the door into the pray room and then we turned into ninjas and go silent. There was an extra challenge of not getting grabbed by your parents while running from the person that was it. To be clear also the kids who got caught were just sat next to their parents and had to finish the prayer but would join back into the game afterwards lol. Any way i guess my point us that it possibly depends on where and the people just like any other religion. Again this is from my personal experience and observations as I was never pressured to be Muslim or even stay in the religion And was encouraged to think for myself. I got more push back from my dad when I started doing professional wrestling. Sorry for rambling always enjoy the Content have a good day and for those who took the time to read this, thanks for your time.
From what I understood, is that just like Christianity is fading in the west Islam is fading in the middle east. So in the past few decades especially in countries like Iran where the government policy is so tied to Islam people are leaving Islam, over longer periods of time the numbers can be as much as 35%
Most of those who leave Islam are Shiites in Iran, because the Shiite sect has illogical teachings that contradict the true teachings of Islam. Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain, these are countries that apply Islam in all fields, and people are okay. I do not hear that there are many who have departed from Islam in these countries.
As an Iranian atheist who also happens to be gay, still living where I can be sentenced to death twice for both of those "crimes", I really appreciate you getting into this topic. It's definitely a whole other experience than being an atheist in other free countries.
I've been absolutely lucky with having progressive and open-minded family and friends and am able to be at least semi open about my true self, however this is not the case for most other people and life can be summarized in just lying and playing pretend on a daily basis.
I should also mention that at least half of my country's population are just pretend muslims. It's like being prisoners/hostages here having to play by the strict rules just to survive for another day.
I can't imagine how hard it must be to have to hide your true self for fear of death.
Stay safe!
Hopefully, one day the US won’t give weapons and money to right-wing extremists every time a country chooses a leftist government.
Mate I do not envy you your position, Iran seems such a strange place. Such a contradictory one. I wonder how much the US sanctions have messed your country up? Before them I believe you were the moderate nation in the region.
WOW. That's a fuckin hard life to continue with where you are right now. Ever thought that maybe it may help you to move to another country that accepts diversity as a matter of fact and law? At least then you'll be able to be yourself freely and without fear.
@Gray England, you know our governments are responsible for most of the brutal dictatorships in the world, right? Protesting your government would accomplish more than telling people to move.
As an ex-Muslim that still lives in a Muslim country it sometimes feels so lonely with barely anyone to relate to and not many communities its always refreshing to watch your vids Even they are mostly about Christianity
So you can imagine how happy I was to see this video
I advice you to read this book "Islam and atheist face to face" by haitham talaat
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Nah, the Atheist Muslim by Ali Rizvi is a better book.
There is lots of ex-muslim content on RUclips and other social media. Secular Spirit's channel is great, as is Friendly ExMuslim's, and Apostate Aladdin's. Those are my favourites, at least. Best wishes, a Dutch ex-muslim.
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😒 I know that an atheist pakistanian who does not understand anything about the religion of Islam and does not even know the basics of this religion. He is just a hater who made throwing suspicions of the Islamic religion and his criticisms ridiculous as a business to take money and support him by communist parties in that, he is a man who knows nothing about Islam and he has a wrong understanding around him and always Muslims respond to him and expose his fallacies and deceptions, this is a man who made himself a laughingstock and exposed himself
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Lol. You're delusional. And weak. Because instead of attacking the arguments Rizvi makes, you attack him. Because you're in denial? Afraid to delve into the points of critique? Or just to ignorant yourself and to intellectually weak to be able to come up with a cohesive, well-reasoned counterargument?
I recently discovered King James onlyism. There are many Christians(read Americans who are awed by thee and thou) who think that the King James Bible is more correct than the Hebrew and Greek original. Including Kent Hovind. Can you cover/make fun of that. I think it sounds like a great source of hilarity.
I've encountered this so often and it is _so weird_
Any time you need someone to translate the Codex Leningradensis, gimme a shout.
If English was good enough for Jesus, I't good enough for me!
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I know there are Quran only Muslims (I’m ex Muslim) who don’t believe in the Hadith. I wonder if there are Muslims out there who are English only Quran people. Probably not. But it would be amusing.
@@Cheepchipsable LOL! :D
The amount of times Ive been called islamaphobic over saying 'I'm sorry but its fucked up when youre being homophobic and transphobic and use your religion as a cover for it' is sad.
As an ex-Muslim myself (which I've mentioned here before), I highly appreciate seeing and hearing more of the experiences of others. Aleem is definitely correct here in saying that there is a very big stigma around exposing one's self as "ex-Muslim". I didn't have the same luxury of having accepting parents and immediate family. Although my parents would normally be seen as quite progressive in the Islamic world, the are still very religious, and Islam is a very large part of their lives. Therefore, despite questioning religious teachings from a very young age (at least from age 7), and pretty much left the religion at around age 14. I couldn't come out as "ex-Muslim", even on a personal level, until I have at university, almost a decade ago. I'm still pretty much forced to put on the facade of Islam when in the presence of family friends and such, and my family still have trouble accepting my decision.
There is always a lack of openness to criticism, both on the individual level and on the global level, mostly because any criticism of Islam will be seen as a direct criticism and threat of both the individual and the community as a whole. Aleem's point about Heaven and Hell for example; "the all powerful, most merciful, and most caring God, will torture you for all eternity for the simplest of misdeeds" is such an obviously hypocritical point. But even broaching this topic is beyond taboo, and you can risk your own wellbeing by doing so (no joke). I have also personally been in the position where I feel shame and afraid of explicitly declaring my lack of faith out of fear for retaliation. Although I've learned to take more pride in my decision, it's still immensely tough because there seems to be so few that share this opinion and experience. I have also often wondered, much like Aleem, why there seems to be so few ex-Muslim voices. So I want to greatly thank you, Emma, for introducing me to Secular Spirit, and for even just simply exposing that there other ex-Muslims out there that are willing to speak up. You're a gem! :)
Hard losing your family....All the best.....
These probably aren't even muslims in the first place bruh? How many i'thikafs in suhr prayer? 😂
Hi Emma. Thanks for this. I saw some comments about bringing in a woman who is an ex-muslim. I would really like to take part in it being an ex-muslim myself. I used to be a very good practicing Muslim who used to pray 5 times a day, read Qur'an everyday, do the fastings every year and wear hijab. I am not an influencer of any kind. I am just a software engineer who works a 40 hours a week job. But I would like to share my experiences with Islam and what drove me away from Islam from a woman's perspective.
Do you ever worry about your personal safety are you on balance ok?
Currently watching. Thank you so much for helping bring this more exposure, Emma. I've often been frustrated that while my own experience as a former Christian is pretty represented in the media I consume, I have a partner who is a former Hindu, and I've seen very little for her. Atheist spaces tend to have a very white, very Christian background. I'm grateful to have alternatives to that. Subscribing to his channel.
What's a little weird to me is that Friendly Atheist, who was a Jain, still talks about Christianity 99% of the time
You are spot on that the ex-Hindu experience is grossly underrepresented in RUclips and other media.
I have an experience that I am very ashamed of. I'm from Texas, USA. Maybe 20 years ago I got on a bus after work. I was the only passenger when at the next stop, this middle-eastern looking guy (I know, racist stereotyping) with a back pack got on looking all sweaty and nervous. He sat right next to me with all other seats open. My mind jumped to "muslim terrorist with a bomb in back pack". I was sooo scared! He got off the bus a few stops later. He might have been late to a doctor appointment, or a job interview. I felt sooo bad that I jumped to such a racist view based on his appearance. Since then I've consciously tried to not stereotype people. I as a brown person should have not gone there in my mind cuz I've experienced that same thing, but it still happened and I am ashamed. So here's to growing in those 20 years and growing for the rest of my human existence. Cheers!!
I should think you'd be content, not ashamed, that in the end, your frontal-lobe action countermanded your conditioned fear!
I wouldn’t worry. You son or daughter will likely marry out; perhaps someone from a Muslim family. You’ll be wonder what all the fuss was about in your latter age.
Honestly, still curious he sat close to you with the whole bus vacant.
You were right to be scared. I would have been too and would have got off the bus at the next stop.
@@petermetcalfe6722 why?
Can’t wait to watch more of Secular Spirits videos, his voice is so soothing and the info he gave is fascinating
Thanks, McKenna!
I'm 20 minutes in and have learned a whole lot. Thank you guys for this great discussion!
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Shia Iran isn't true Islam. Learn true Islam from Sunni scholars.
Shia is deviation from true Islam.
What he said about hell really resonated with me. I use to have nightmares about dying and being sent to hell as a pretty young child. I also remember doing a Bible study of the end times and it terrified me because the people giving the lesson were convinced that Jesus was coming back soon, and the things they said we were gonna have to do really scared me. Like they would talk about how we would have to live out in caves or in the woods because the government would start killing all Christians. They literally told a me as a young kid that if we got captured we’d have to stay strong and not apostatize even if they tortured us. Horrible things for me as a kid to have to process that in my lifetime I may be tortured and killed for Jesus and this was a good thing because God had special rewards in heaven for martyrs.
Thanks for your story.
JW?
@@cerberaodollamI heard something similar preached as an Independent Baptist. I think it's a pretty common theme in the Calvinist leaning churches.
This was such an interesting discussion. I've come across a handful of Muslim creators on RUclips who educate people on Islam. I find it fascinating as I perceive a lot of the teachings as mindfulness. The biggest thing that was a red flag for me was that there is a lot of weight placed on the idea of there being a spiritual and extreme difference between men and women. And as a gender abolitionist that part particularly bothers me.
What's a women? What's a man?
37:20 as an ex-christian, i can relate to this so much. the first time i experienced sleep paralysis, i thought i was having a vision of the devil and i was in a panic for days after
Fantastic discussion. Wasn’t ready for it to end!
Thanks Ange!
Hello lovely people, thank you very much for joining! Once you've finished this video, please do check out the second half over on Aleem's channel: ruclips.net/video/LLxGyaZbTT4/видео.html
We'll be continuing the discussion into addressing Islam without feeding into Bigotry 🦆
ALSO if you have any favourite ex-Muslim content creators, please drop them in the comments!
Personally I would suggest Apostate Prophet, he has a complicated backstory to put it mildly, so arbours strong feelings about the Islam... His channel is a mix bag of satirical videos (sometimes a bit cringey XD) and debunking Muslim apologetics, still he is well versed both about religion and philosophy.
Apostate Aladdin, Infidel Noodle, and Friendly Ex-Muslim are all great!
Everyone is going to suggest Apostate Prophet, and while he does make very good content, he panders towards Christians and is friends with a Christian apologist.
@@AntiStarry AP is friend with David Wood which, as you rightly said, is a Christian apologist but what makes you say that he panders to Christians? ...I never got such an impression and personally think that guilt by association in 99.9% of the cases is a weak argument.
@Emma Thorne I think that you should pin this comment so the link to second half of the conversation is easier to find.
@@HAL_NOVEMILA Apostate Prophet can do no wrong.
As someone who knows virtually nothing about Islam I found this extremely fascinating and enjoyable. Thank you for the video Emma, and thank you SecularSpirit for sharing your knowledge!
A long time ago I did study Islam as part of a project. Though I've forgotten a lot of it by now. It was interesting to listen to this. Thanks
Loved this interview Emma, as someone who is critical of religion overall due to my personal experiences growing up Christian, I also believe in respectfully and delicately critiquing religions such as Islam because of the racism and stigma that is largely attached to that. Christians don’t experience the same violence and hatred that Muslims experience in western countries when their religion is criticized. It makes having a conversation extremely difficult. Massive respect to Secular Spirit for having these conversations while being aware of the stigma. Would love to see more discussions like these in the future for a variety of religions!
Who are you and what are your criteria for criticizing religions?
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 No criteria other than personal experience with Christianity. I wouldn’t critique Islam because I don’t have the experience or knowledge to. I’d leave that to those who have experienced it and can properly talk about it.
to understand the religion of Islam well, read the biography of the Prophet (there are many reliable books that speak of his biography) and read the Noble Qur’an, and also you should watch videos of Muslims like dawah, othman bin farouk, Mohammed hijab, Dr. Haitham talaat, Ali dawah.
To understand any religion not with x-a particular religion this is not logical and unfair
When searching for Islam, do not enter sites that hate it or unreliable sites and Wikipedia as well, beware
Thank you for discussing this topic! It works be very interesting to also hear this topic discussed from an ex-muslim that identifies as a woman. Really hope to see that soon!
I've learned so much, and it is so great that you Emma took Secular Spirit into your channel to talk absolut this topic such a good and open way that you guys did. This has opened my eyes for something I didn't know much about. Great content!
Hello Emma and Secular Spirit, that was a very interesting discussion.
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Approaches to the Qur'an as with all sacred texts vary greatly, some Muslims view parts of it as applying to the time and place it was revealed while others see it as entirely applicable today but vary in how they apply it. I was born in a Muslim country to British parents, the way the faith is portrayed in UK media was illustrated by the coverage of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait showing the faith as a nebulous threat and inherently violent. This last idea always struck me as ridiculous coming from Christian communities who conquered the greater part of the globe and waged two world wars. Islamophobes often treat Muslims as a race and think it makes sense to say 'they....' about over a billion people. What it means to be Muslim can be 'Honour your parents, there is only one God,' to rigid fundamentalism, sadly during the last century fundamentalism has been used as a foreign policy tool by some western countries, not just by keeping fanatical regimes like that of Saudi Arabia in power. Saying 'there are differences in values' and attributing that solely to faith is reductionist in my opinion. Historically there have been times when homosexuality was tolerated within the Muslim world leading to places like Morocco, Egypt or Istanbul having a reputation for being liberated in that respect. Some of Aleems experiences seem the result of being educated in UAE whereas much of the Muslim world is more progressive.
You do realize that islamic and arab empires also have colonized and conquered the greater part of the globe and subjected the native population in those countries to ethnic and religious assimilation. The arab slave trade in africa is well and live even today. The ottoman empire alone spanned seven centuries and ruled over 3 continents (asia, africa, and half of europe). The arabs even ruled over spain and italy and basically arabized/assimilated the entirety of the middle east and north africa. Islam has a colonial history just like Christian Europe.
@@xypaisb8026 To say the early Arab conquests covered a 'greater part of the globe' is inaccurate, the area was much less than half of three continents the Ottomans never conquered half of Europe, by area at its' greatest it was still less than a quarter. It was never remotely as successful in conquering the globe.
Most of the Muslim world is much more regressive. Take a look at the treatment of minorities in Pakistan or how the Yazidis of Iraq were betrayed by their very own Arab neighbours when Isis arrived. Muslims of the West or even UAE are much more liberal. Here in the Indian subcontinent, every Muslim around me denies 9/11 (personal experience as an ex-Muslim atheist).
I am with you in opposing Islamophobia and bigotry against Muslims. I feel angry just like you when I see the religious hatred and Islamophobia in India. But let us take a look at the reality of Muslims globally. It's a sad situation today. Things remain stagnant. There are a lot of different reasons for this of course. But a problem exists and we should acknowledge it.
@@anonymous_4276 From what I understand of the current situation in India being a former Muslim makes no difference to the bigots. I don't think things are stagnant everywhere in south-east Asia there are fewer problems that come with conflicts within or next door. There are problems within the Umma but the same could be said of all faiths, last US president wouldn't have been elected without evangelicals to give an example.
@@mrmr446 it makes no difference to anyone but me. I'm not trying to appease anyone dude. I have nothing but contempt towards the bigots in India. You are right in saying that there are problems everywhere. My comment was mainly trying to point out the problem among the Ummah though. The culture of UAE is still comparatively liberal compared to most Muslim countries. That's the point.
Secular Spirit sounds like a nice bloke... and the fact that he's an EX-Muslim is very courageous, and worthy of praise. (Which, of course, in and of itself, is a well-deserved critique if Islam!)
I don't disagree, but living in Canada myself, I can't say I'd know of a country where it would be easier, actually. Fundamentalist anything kinda raises eyebrows and rolls eyes in just about any social setting here. Even the conservative American Christian fundamentalists are usually compelled to pretend they're normal here, and only reveal their claws anonymously. I've spoken to a hijab-wearing woman here who have joked with me about hiding whiskey under her hijab. I rode the train into a station when two "normal" looking teenage girls who'd been giggling and chatting suddenly realised they were at their station, and whipped out their dresses and hijabs from their backpacks and put them on right in front of me in about 5 seconds before the train pulled into the station. All this in the sixth largest city here, where there is a pretty healthy proportion of ruralites.
@@MultiCappie Sadly, we can't all live in Canada! And tbh, I don't think I'd want to... though I'm sure most Canadians are wonderful people... the ones I've met have been very friendly and far warmer than the climate from which they come... which is the main reason I doubt I'd like to live there! You see, I migrated from the UK to Oz precisely because it's so much warmer here! And Canadian winters, I hear, are so much colder even than British ones! (Struth mate! Even the Ozzie winters are too cold for my liking!) ;)
I agree that all 'fundamentalist' religions are serious pains in the derriere, and it's true that to declare one's independence from ANY of these religions is certainly worth considering as a courageous move! But with Islam, there is still a real risk of actually being killed for apostasy, even in non-Muslim countries which have a sizeable Muslim contingent. (Possibly even in Canada!) This is why I think ex-Muslim atheists and/or agnostics deserve to be considered particularly brave.
I doubt the 'hiding whiskey under the hijab' thing is unique to Canada, though... One could hide a multitude of 'sins' under such a garment! (Which is why it's such a worry to security agencies!)
But the tale you tell about girls whipping out their hijabs and robes just as their train was approaching their station should tell you that they, at least, still felt they had something to fear should they be caught in 'civilian mufti'! Of course, you and I realize it's probably just 'normal' teenage rebelliousness... but to fundamentalist Muslims, it would be regarded as apostasy! And 'Allah' alone knows what might happen to them if they were caught! One can only admire their spirit, though, huh? :D
@@theseustoo Yes, the Winters here are quite real. I have no idea how we survive. (hahaha)
You're right about courageousness, and I didn't mean to disagree, just pointing out it's a matter of degree.
About the girls dressing on the train, I think it was because their dads were picking them up at the station. Sure they're still compelled obviously against their wills, but it doesn't "feel" so odious. Just like not telling one's parents that we were drinking at Jeff's house. Lately I've been seeing a massive uptick in hijabless female Arab and North Africans around too. It's nice, I think it means the whole community is feeling safer.
Cheers to everyone in Oz.
@@MultiCappie Oh I'd just bet those girls' dads were picking them up at the station! Interesting, isn't it, that the moment one tries to repress the human spirit, that's the moment when rebellion really starts! Though, imo, that kind of repression is still pretty odious... even if the parents think they're trying to do their best for their kids. Understandable, perhaps, but still odious.
Maybe it's just that I never really grew up... (older, yes, but 'up'... no!) but I'm pretty much on the side of the teenagers! Whether it's those girls, or you having a few jars at Jeff's house! (Think I knew Jeff too! In another life, in the UK!)
It's a sign of progress, I suppose, that there are more hijabless female Arabs and North Africans wandering around... and a tribute to Canada that said women feel safe enough to go without them there, knowing that Canadian law has got their backs! So, I think we pretty much agree on that!
Cheers to everyone in Canada, too! (Except of course, for your execrable Prime Monster, Justin Turdeau... but then, no country can really help it's politicians... they're a breed of snakes all to themselves!)
Nice chatting... have a nice day! :)
@@theseustoo When I say "not... so odious" I mean compared to your "civilian mufti". Anyway, that's the backdrop in which Secular Spirit here has been able to emerge. Still courageous, no question, but we'll try to have his back as well.
Say hi to Jeff when you see him. Tell him I still want my Swiss Army Knife returned.
thank you both. this was great
I'm really happy this got uploaded essentially unedited, I missed the first half hour of your chat.
Love your videos. I don’t really see them, I listen to them and what I enjoy the most is Emma’s voice.
What a wonderful conversation - I hope there's more of these 👏👏
Thanks!
23:50 I'm from Quebec City and I think I can contextualize it a bit.
Being pretty much the only French left after the English won the war, the catholic church took upon themselves to "resist" the "bad kind of Christians" and were very involved in peoples lives, telling them to have a lot of children to "outnumber" the English. The catholic church was very powerful, in schools, hospital AND government.
This lead to what we call the "révolution tranquille" that I could roughly translate to the "calm revolution" in 60s where people from Quebec had enough with catholic church and it lead to separation of church and state and since then Quebec has been very protective over it, where religion is not allowed to tell us what to do.
So in that context, I think Islam doesn't hit well in part because of the hijab, it looks like submission to a religion, control over women, so combine this with the fact we don't understand islam, can bring anger and fear over the comeback of religion taking over the government and dictating our lives.
That being said, I do like to understand things, but I do not condone it. I'd rater denounce the message, not the messenger. I feel the best way for people to be part of our society is to accept them and be nice. Because of all those historical things I spoke of, I think Quebec is probably the easiest place in north america to be an atheist, I grew up in a weird small catholic cult, so it's why I reach out to that kind of content, but I feel in any situation where a system of belief becomes bigger and bigger, the bad people comes out and the obvious thing a large group of atheist would do is to persecute religious people, even more if it's a mix with the perception of "the other" coming from another country, another culture.
I love how he's colour organised his bookshelf
If your books are organized by colour and not title, author, or subject or most recent read? The books arent for reading; they are for looking at
Or people seeing them in your videos
Hello Emma 😊
Thanks for arranging this meeting, and also for your lovely encouragement for Aleem. ❤
If you want to dive a little deeper with Islam, I would recommend a "study Quran" such as The Critical Quran, or one by an Islamic publisher. Also, Muhammad's traditional biography by Ibn Hisham called the Sirah might also be useful.
Thanks for hipping me to Secular Spirit, and having a sane discussion about Islam. Many atheists have a special place for Muslims. It really frustrates me.
I hear a tale - a woman is raped by her neighbour. Sharia law decreed that the rapist should be punished by having HIS wife raped in return by the victim's husband. Serves the rapist right, right ? Perfect justice, right ?
As you said, it is just a tale.
All the sexuel issue with islam also happens in the Mormon church.
Is there going to be a part two? I’d love to hear more of this conversation. I know it’s a bit of a tricky subject for all the reasons discussed, but I think that you two are able to address it respectfully.
Part 2 is over on Aleem's channel!
Lol, already after the “intro” into Islam I have to say. Damn that’s bloody convenient that everyone before was wrong and everyone who will come afterwards is lying, surely that has nothing to do with twisting the established narrative and preventing anyone in the future to do the same 😂
All religions should be critiqued and we/woke shouldn't shut down problem discussions about any. I think the current don't mention anything about religion including problems is not healthy and doesn't progress religions improving themselves to meet better moral and cultural values. Honor killing your daughter (for many reasons) is despicable practice no one should be quiet about talking about ways to shut this practice down.
I'm an atheist that's really intrested in learning about religion, i've never had a chance to learn much about islam, i really appreciated this video, thank you :)
Learn it from othman bin farouk, haitham talaat, ali dawah, mohammed hijab through watching their RUclips videos
Look into Dr Umar Farouq Abdullah, Hamza Yusuf and Abdal Hakim Murad.
If you want to learn about Islam, don't go on this page. Watch Mohammed Hijab, Ali Dawah.
Also check out Yahya Rhodus and Faraz Rabbani.
Enjoyed the discussion. Being an ex-Muslim is probably one of the more dangerous ex-religious acts one could make. Belief systems are largely driven by provincial tribalism and Islam suffers a lot in this area. Hence in Afganistan we read or hear of monthly killings of Muslim Sufis, Shittes and any other minorities, who don't adhere to the provincial tribalism of the in power group. Hopefully enlightening influences will change this mindset for all belief systems in all religions.
Very informative thank you!
As an ex-Muslim atheist from India, I still feel like a Muslim when I see the mob lynchings and demolitions of Muslim houses occuring in India (which are supported by the ruling party). There's frustration about things remaining stagnant in my community and even more frustration at all this hatred in this country today.
Thank you both!
thank you so much Aleem for sharing your experiences and speaking out against the harm inflicted by religious people and institutions. I take issue with a couple of points in this video:
1) The portrail of Islam as an inherantly more rigid and ressistante to changes than christianity. As far as I'm aware, Islam is generally a far less dogmatic religion, stemming from its far lesser emphasis more on law and practice than on belief. Religious reform in Islam have always been a matter of practicality and bettering the conditions of people in this world - to differing degrees depending on the period. this is not always enough, evidently, considering the horrible things people have used Islam to justify, but the ideas of Islah (reform), Istislah (ruling according to the public intrest), and Igma' (consent and agreement between the islamic community) are inherant to Islamic jurisprudence. How those principles are used or misused is a result of social and historical circumstances, not an inharent part of the religion. and indeed, as Islamic sociaties become more liberal and open we see movments like the Wasatiya (or the Modernist in the turn of the 20th centuary) which have a more flexible view of the religion.
2) Related is the issue of different values Muslim people have. Again, I think its important to emphasize that religions change, and they are subject to historical forces. The example of homophobia is a good one, since homosexuality was tolerated far more in islamic sociaties than in christian ones for most of those relgions' history. I'm not saying there isn't inherant intolerance in Islam, there is. But also a lot of the intolerance in all religious communities isn't an unchangeable part of the religious tradition.
A very valuable discussion.
I can't wait for round two! Secular Spirit may be my favorite ex-Muslim You Tuber.
There is a RUclips channel 'The Apostate Prophet' who is ex-Islam and discusses religion from his point of view.
It is not a phobia when the authorities of a movement actually says that you will be tortured, and/or killed, because you dare question the lack of proof for what they claim to be real.
If you talk about islam being crazies, then no we arent being islamophobes.
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!?
It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies???
They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!".
How can people be so blind?
You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!?
You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc?
Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them!
Think about that.
They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B....
And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!!
WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!?
This world is MAD.
They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe"....
LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
woo boy finally something I can relate to
28:46 - I wish you had more here about this point! There's a cut there, too... did you cut the interesting part? I'm curious how you mean it that the Islamophobia originated in oil.... I can think of ways that might be true, but I don't know much specific information about it, so... would love for you to go into it sometime (or just say a little here in a comment) if you could.
Anyway, super interesting discussion here; thank you both for sharing this discussion with your viewers!
Back in the 80's friends applied for a licences to set up a table in the city centre promoting anti vivisection (BUAV) and a separate licence for an atheist table. AV with graphic depictions no problem, atheist table denied because the city council could not guarantee their safety. Doubt attitudes have changed much over the years, glad technology has given rise to platforms these and other topics can be openly talked about. Really unhappy we are still unable to publicly voice these opinions without attracting violence.
Hello.
This video made me think I might be islamophobic to some degree.
Born and raised in Poland, which is known for being one of the most xenophobic countries in Europe, I've never been exposed that much to other religions. I am an agnostic, coming from a Christian household, but religion never played an important role in my life. However, my early teens, when I was young and impressionable, was the time of an intensive immigration of Middle Eastern people to Germany. You could not get through one day without hearing the news about a crime commited there by an immigrant, whether was it R, SA, assault or killing. I was taught quite early that I cant believe everything I hear on the news, but that exposition - when it lasts for years - leaves some kind of prejudice in you. When I was at the Uni, I met a muslim guy, who turned out to be a complete douchebag (and his douchebaggery had absolutely nothing to do with his religion). Another time was when I served in the military. I wanted to shake this man's hand, and he seemed offended. I realized I must have done something wrong, but he didn't want to explain it to me. Here, all the books about women marrying a Muslim man and moving to his place are sold as horror stories and cautionary tales, they are in every bookstore on the front shelf. And my problem is that I have never met a nice, friendly Muslim person, even though I would like to. IMHO, it is easier to talk about phobias, prejudices, biases, etc when you are exposed to different races and religions from a young age. But if most of your most impressionable years are spent without even meeting a person of color or a different religion, living in a close, homogenic community, it can be much more difficult. And even though I try to be as open minded as possible (my friends consider me very leftist), in the back of my mind, I am scared. I am scared that a person I want to make friends with can actually hurt me. What can I do about it?
Find a group and join it, in person if you can preferably. A civic Muslim group, or an activist group working on grassroots issues in a community, even a group especially designed for people to meet and to help ease our unconscious (or conscious) biases through education. Sometimes you can't wade into the water, you have to drive right in. It's helpful to keep in mind that they might be wary of you too. I'm American (though my ancestry is from Poland) and I've gotten stares walking through predominantly Black communities, because while I have no problem in non-white communities, my presence can be scary for them. They don't know if I'm there to go to the restaurant or a friend's house, or if I'm there to bomb a church and go on a racist shooting spree. While our whiteness is a privilege that affords us access to almost every place, it doesn't make us immune from other people looking at us a potential threat to their lives. Speaking of restaurants, if there is a small Muslim enclave, or really any ethnicity, you can get to easily go and try the food. You never know who you'll meet, plus you get some amazing dishes that hail from other areas of the world! And you'll be supporting a small business so it's a win all around. Once you see that other people are people, and we're ALL capable of doing good or bad things regardless of the labels we put on ourselves and each other, the fear starts to go away.
I'm Muslim myself, remember a Muslim teaching teach to be a human being, but not all human being learn or practice Islam, like you learn physics in school how often you applied it??
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!?
It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies???
They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!".
How can people be so blind?
You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!?
You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc?
Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them!
Think about that.
They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B....
And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!!
WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!?
This world is MAD.
They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe"....
LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
A genuine question...
Why's that questioning about Islam will increase islamophobia but talking about christianity will not increase phobia against christians ?
Also most of time I see people or countries discussing only about islamophobia, they don't even consider about phobia against other religions exists and we should also talk about that.
Because islam want to pass as the sole victim, everywhere: despite setting fire to the countries that welcomed them, and breaking stuff/our rules etc.
As soon as someone DARE stand up to defend themselves against them, they are "islamophobes".
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!?
It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies???
They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!".
How can people be so blind?
You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!?
You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc?
Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them!
Think about that.
They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B....
And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!!
WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!?
This world is MAD.
They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe"....
LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
You have a fair point, especially considering that Islam is overhated and people also tend to misinterpret paganism and even Christianity and Islam (obviously).
Because Muslims are a minority in the western world so they can be viewed as a monolith which leads to stuff like hate crimes
Such a good conversation.
I don't worry much about talking about any specific religion. My 1st question for anybody who tries to proselytize me with their religion is "what evidence do you have any of that is true?" Nobody has ever provided any evidence.
There is a lot of evidence for the validity of an Islamic religion through the biography of the Messenger and his life, and there are many reliable books that record his says and actions called “the hadith” and in it there are many prophecies that the Messenger said and most of them have been fulfilled, as well as the book the Holy Qur’an, which is the word of God, in which there are many Linguistic, scientific, numerical, historical miracles and prophecies have all been fulfilled except during the period of the Prophet and after him, and there is also a challenge in finding one contradiction in the Qur’an as a contradiction in linguistics, historical, scientific, numerical and in the validity of a prophecy, that Muhammad is the Messenger of God and The book of the Qur’an is the word of God and the religion of Islam is the religion of truth, because the Prophet Muhammad was not a writer, nor a poet, nor a scholar, nor a philosopher, nor a traveler, nor a judge, nor a king, but rather he did not know how to read. He lives in the desert with Bedouins, lives in a tribal system, tends the sheep of the tribe of Mecca, and he is also a simple merchant, and this is a 1400-year-old book that is difficult to be from human speech, so historically they were astonished by non-believers in his period and said that he is a magician and they know him that he did not He was neither a magician nor a priest, but we can say that the truth was difficult for them, so they did not accept him from the beginning, but with the passage of time they all believed in him when they were removed from their arrogance and opened their minds.
@@mouhamedkayis543 LOL. Exactly the proselytizing I mentioned, with no evidence…
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Instead of responding with ignorance and sarcasm, research what I mentioned in my comment is it true or not
You'll have to excuse me, I was never formally taught (The Quran), but I was under the impression that Jesus (Isa) was magically born of a virgin in the Quran. In any case, I think exploring the denominations of Christianity is necessary for deconstruction, and also the entire historical relationship between Judaism, Islam, and Christianity is ironic as hell. Awesome video!
You just reminded me of Infidel Noodle. I haven't seen her in a while.
The conflation of Islamic atheism and islamophobia makes this a very difficult topic to discuss for those outside of the cultures and races typically associated with Islam. Would love to see some follow-up discussions.
I love it, relate it to South Park!!! So funny that even that episode gets misunderstood by the people it is satirising.
the fact that it was another installment, happening so recently, with a know human author, all made me think it was more shame than the others
The "Barbaric Practices Hotline" proposal in Canada was outrageously named and probably cost PM Harper the ensuing election (I had voted for him previously but thought he had lost his mind when he announced it), but it didn't come out of nowhere - There had been a series of "honor killings" where Muslim girls had been murdered by family - usually fathers and brothers, usually for going on dates, trying to get out of arranged marriages, and in one case, a triple homicide where all three of a family's daughters were killed by their parents, apparently for wearing western clothing. These murders were very highly publicized at the time and I'm sure this influenced the government of the day. They probably had reason to think it would be quite popular.
After escaping evangelical Christianity, I then became a salafi Muslim (from one bigoted backwards cult to another) now I'm nothing, I just study religions like Judaism and indigenous spirituality (cause of my ethnicities). However I will say, I generally feel safer being around Muslims as a queer person (besides the ultra-right ones) than I do being around the average evangelical Christian/catholic/Mormon
Video: transgenders doing tabligh
Al-Baqarah 2:140
أَمْ تَقُولُونَ إِنَّ إِبْرَٰهِۦمَ وَإِسْمَٰعِيلَ وَإِسْحَٰقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَٱلْأَسْبَاطَ كَانُوا۟ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَٰرَىٰۗ قُلْ ءَأَنتُمْ أَعْلَمُ أَمِ ٱللَّهُۗ وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّن كَتَمَ شَهَٰدَةً عِندَهُۥ مِنَ ٱللَّهِۗ وَمَا ٱللَّهُ بِغَٰفِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ
Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
There is no ideal for you except allah.
@ottopotatum5775 video go look it up. Did you just make tabligh a central core of i'slam as haram!?
I too was brought up in the UK in a not religious household but we were still expected to go to church, sing Christian songs in assembly and had Religious Education lessons at school where the teacher said I quote "Christians are good people" (I'm not saying some are not good people). We covered other religions a tiny bit I think. I can't even remember what though. Much, much later I was in a training course at work and the subject of religion came up and the tutor looked around briefly and said "I assume we're all Christians here" I said Erm...No! I'm going to assume that he made the mistake because he was older and a bit narrow minded.
He said Muslims believe Jesus Christ was crucified. Correction: Muslims believe that Jesus was teleported to heavens, and the guy who was crucified was actually a Lookalike, (and some say God transformed Judas to look like Jesus, so the Romans arrested him).
Islam began with a merchant's dream of an angel and a book
which spread through word of mouth and human thought which was written on scraps of paper
and collected into a man made book which was memorized by generations of children through schools and imams.
Yes, this is the strength of the Qur’an in that it is preserved from corrupted, as it is considered that people’s memorization of the Qur’an is more secure than writing the Qur’an immediately without memorizing it, an example of this is an Bible book that adopted this method, and the result was that it corrupted
As such they used to write the Qur’an, but they were in papers, not in the book, and after the death of a prophet, the Qur’an was collected in the book
I never saw someone who read the quran fully unless it was their job or they were atheists
I left it for many reasons at least
What a liar you are! But if you read it all, hhhhh you were reading it stupidly
It feels like there is much more potential discussion here.
_"Toleranz bedeutet für mich, alle Religionen gleich zu verachten."_ [Max Uthoff]
(Tolerance to me is to despise all religions equally.)
Great video with a lot of great information.
I particularly appreciated Seculars color coordinated bookshelf. That was a thing of beauty.
Glad you noticed!
I'm kind of an ex-muslim, well... I am an ex-muslim, I just say this because I don't actually tell anyone, even my brother who I think has a similar thinking to me, who I think is also an atheist because he doesn't believe in heaven or hell.
I grew up not knowing what atheism was, I knew there was other religions but never thought that atheist's exist, before I got into kindergarten I knew how to read the Quran, and then I went to a Christian kindergarten, I didn't really care about it because I was just a kid.
And now I'm an atheist, I'm still in a Muslim country (infact the largest Muslim country)
They teach about how to respect other religions but they don't say that about atheism, maybe when I'm older I could move out or something.
Quran [32:12] If only you could see the wicked hanging their heads
˹in shame˺ before their Lord, ˹crying:˺ “Our Lord! We have now seen and heard, so send us back and we will do good. We truly have sure faith ˹now˺!”
I have been watching a Muslim channel with a couple. Their channel is called MehdinaTV. Maybe you should check them out. I liked them because they do their best to educate non muslims about Islam and be a bit entertaining about it. I am not Muslim, nor do I ever see myself considering Islam but I was tired of hearing everything I knew about the religion from those that hate it for one reason or another.
The wife completely covers and always says she is not forced to and would continue to cover even if he husband asked her not to. I find them interesting and would love for you to do a video with them one day.
They seem well-meaning, but at the same time very naive. Just as I used to be, when I was a (convert) muslim. And the amount of cognitive dissonance to reconcile oneself with, to be honest, outdated, sexist, and ridiculous rules, is astounding. How they portray islam may seem harmless and fun, but underneath the surface is a whole lot of bad stuff. Fine if they want to live that way, but that doesn't make what they believe pretty.
I'm Islam
The idea of a ‘last’ religion is such a dangerous idea
It makes sense for monotheism, but other than that I agree with you.
I wonder what Mormons think about that?
Brilliant work Emma ❤️❤️❤️🖤🖤🖤👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
As an agnostic atheist, I've read all the sacred books from the Abrahamic tradition: from the Babylonian Talmud, to Lt. Hubbard's _Dianetics._
Out of all the books from the Abrahamic tradition, _The Quran_ has been my favorite. Like, really; it is my favorite. How and why? Unlike the Biblical Old Testament? The Quran shows God being super loving and likable. While the OT normally describes God as jealous and vindictive, not a single passage of the Quran describes God as mean or jealous. God is *ALWAYS* described as _loving, merciful, forgiving, kind, etc._ Basically, any adjective one can think about to describe someone being kind and likable is used to describe God. Second, like the gentleman in the video says: Christians and Jews are also *Keepers of the Book* per Islam. They're equals in the eyes of God. Chapter two (The Cow) verse 62 says so: _The [Muslim] believers, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians- all those who believe in God and the Last Day and do good- will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve._
Right there!
I really want to listen to more of his stuff.
you should definetely watch and react to the girl in the river (documentary short film)
Thank You!
The racist aspect of islamophobia is definitely a legitimate concern, but as an ex-muslim still living in an islamic country, I've been called an islamophobe for criticizing the religion, and legitimately fearing it.
This is where the term loses its meaning. A phobia is the irrational fear of something, But me and many others like me, we fear Islam because we are living in oppressive countries, where quitting the religion is punishable by death. This is a rational fear that ex-muslims, queers, and women have in these countries.
Exactly.
But for years now this is spreading to ALL the countries islam has been taking over.
It's all over the news, people living in these welcoming countries also support this: it is real and yet islam still cry victim, crying "islamophobia!".
Cant people truly open their eyes and SEE what they have been doing?
That religion is now the biggest on earth.... it's insane.
They're taking over and people are letting them else if we defend ourselves we are "racists"....
Canadian ex-mormon (exmo) atheist here, wondering if you’ve explored Mormonism at all. I’d love to see a similar conversation like this about Mormonism. There are a few good exmo RUclipsrs I could recommend reaching out to if you want an exmo with RUclips cred to collaborate with.
Thanks for this. I am highly critical of all religion, but given the prejudices that white Christians here in the USA have against Muslims, it's hard to have an honest discussion about Islam without sinking into religious bigotry. So I always appreciate hearing from former Muslims who are critical of Islam.
to understand the religion of Islam well, read the biography of the Prophet (there are many reliable books that speak of his biography) and read the Noble Qur’an, and also you should watch videos of Muslims like dawah, othman bin farouk, Mohammed hijab, Dr. Haitham talaat, Ali dawah.
To understand any religion not with x-a particular religion this is not logical
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Yes, thanks for that. My academic background means that I am fortunate to count many Muslim persons among my friends. In addition to scholars of Islam, I try to learn what ordinary Muslims think and believe. Frankly, I think how believers actually practice a religion is far more instructive that readings its holy books or scholarly treatments. It's all pretty interesting.
Of course, I am starting from the premise that no divinity of any kind actually exists. While I love my religious friends and respect their right to be religious, I still think they are wrong. A universe with a God is a very different place than a universe without one. Further, believing in things that don't exist causes people to make wrong decisions, often with harmful results. So, for anyone willing to listen, I advocate the skeptical perspective.
@@phakeacount2228
"I disputed from the skeptical and ungrateful atheists(mean he's not looking for the truth) , and found the skeptic more clearly aware of the essence of speech than the ingratiating people.
Abu Ishaq said: The doubt is closer to you than the denier, and there was never certainty until there was doubt before it, and no one moved from one belief to another belief until there was a state of doubt between them.". "Al jahiz writer"
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Doubt drives inquiry. Inquiry causes discovery.
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!?
It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies???
They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!".
How can people be so blind?
You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!?
You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc?
Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them!
Think about that.
They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B....
And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!!
WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!?
This world is MAD.
They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe"....
LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
I have recently found your channel and as an Atheist felt a kindred spirit! I will not comment on today's topic until I have heard it in full, as I have my own opinions currently on Islam!
My brother, to understand the religion of Islam well, read the biography of the Prophet (there are many reliable books that speak of his biography) and read the Noble Qur’an, and also you should watch videos of Muslims like dawah, othman bin farouk, Mohammed hijab, Dr. Haitham talaat, Ali dawah.
To understand any religion not with x-a particular religion this is not logical
@@mouhamedayoubsamhoud6799 Not speaking or reading Arabic I have read translations of parts of the Curan, Sira and the Hadith (not sure of the spelling). Nothing I have read has changed my mind of the political intent of Islam. I believe in total separation of church and state! I also believe that Islam is a political Ideology masquerading as a religion, commonly referred to as a Theocracy. I treat every Muslim I meet as an individual and have Muslims I regard as friend in spite of Islam, which states Muslims should be friendly with non Muslims but not true friends.
@@tedclapham4833
You have to go to a mosque
My feel for this topic is broad. But a scene in Vikings summed it up best. "What if your god doesn't exist or my gods, what if the gods don't exist. Then we have to live with that." Most people can't. I have since childhood.
Im Dutch, living amongst all kinds of religious and non religious people. I've talked with all kinds of em, genralisation of those inside a group is easy to do. And thus that happens allott but in reality it is useless. So having a limmited pool of information hampers me/us to judge any group, thats logical. Think for yourself is'nt really accepted, we all are forced to learn things. Some make sence some dont, some are good some bad. Group-mentality, peer pressure can be usefull, but also can be detremental and far worse. I am agnostic thus spoken about religions of all kinds of faiths, I know of plenty that cannot escape from having to life in that stranglehold. Many wont ever be able to escape ' Have a coming out moment' and have serious issues because of that. I know it takes allor of currage to dare share this with another, because it can be live treatning in some cases. Religion is surpressive and is and has proven to be dangerous, and those dare be honest about that are to be praised.
Ubuntu 👍
"The True Word" of a being That DOES NOT EXIST!
As a conservative in Canada, in Alberta . I appreciate that you she that we are different then the USA. I want the country to be more fiscally responsible, and I like this channel. I feel that should say something, and that all conversation are important.
Not she, said, autocorrect. Sorry.
I don't know how i ended up here buuuuut I think I will stay a bit.
For a french perspective (oui bonjour !), it's quite funny to see the differences between our culturally close countries about religions.
The concept of Muslim no go areas in the UK is hilarious. I had this discussion with some fool who thought that there was one in East London so I was just waiting for him to tell me where it was so that I could go there and post a load of selfies.
Obviously he couldn't give me the location as it was nonsense.
Pretty sure there are loads of no-go areas if you’re a young white girl…
@@steveo4991 Pretty sure you've no idea what you're talking about. If you're on about the grooming gangs then they wouldn't exist if what you said was true. Try harder and attempt to think it through first. Logical thought processes aren't hard.
@@corleth2868 Because people don’t still wander into no-go areas by mistake. LOGIC 🤪 You tried.
@@steveo4991 Yeah the grooming gangs just picked up young white girls who accidentally wandered into these no go areas that don't exist.
Perfect logic, you've proved my point.
@@corleth2868 The mental gymnastics continue 😂
I will be at wsm pride when you air. 🏳🌈🖖🏻
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Had nice time. Wish you were there. The chat was interesting as I think the WORD was misinterpreted by folk who want there own style of what God wants. When it was simple words like thou shall not kill did not well, love thy neighbour, only you have to not try to harm them for not being like you. When the world Loves rather than Hates, we will build heaven on Earth. Without worship an invisible being or words, but feel the miracle of peace. No matter who you are or where from.
Other than religion, did you know scientifically and psychologically, gays are considered a sexual deviation and a departure from the original nature of the human being, and there is no such thing as genetic, this is according to the words of scholars
Practicing homeopathy is dangerous to health
we love Connla Chicken Maximus Lyons over here on the emma the duck- i mean emma thorne channel
I dont have Islamophobia, its more Religiosophobia.. or maybe Bullshitophobia.
Emma Thorne, I suggest you should also do a similar call with Holy Humanist, another ex Muslim.
I concur!
Quran [54:7] - [54:8]
Their eyes humbled, they will emerge from the graves as if they were locusts spreading,
rushing towards the caller. The disbelievers will cry, “This is a difficult Day!
LOL, just realised, 5 minutes into the video, that Aleem has ordered his books by colour 🙂
Well this'll be interesting
As a Brummie, I was very amused by the memes in the wake of the Faux News claims. My own contribution was bringing awareness to the radical anti-Christian cleric Ozzama bin Osbourne.
Very good information about Islam and islamophobia. Would be interesting to see a similar video about TST.
I wonder if you think that so-called "islamophobia" is unjustified...?
Is it biases when we have PROOF of what the extremists have been doing to so many countries that welcomed muslims!?
It's all over the news! How can so many still be blind to the truth AND defend crazies???
They are taking over, they are the BIGGEST religion ON EARTH now, they are seeping into countries: changing OUR rules, removing OUR rights, all while screaming "islamophobia!!!".
How can people be so blind?
You want you, or your mothers/sisters/spouses/daugthers etc to be viewed as less than human!?
You want to be a slave? To kiss carpets and be told NOT to think for yourself else they'll end you, etc?
Not being a muslim is considered a crime worthy of de@th to them!
Think about that.
They have oozed their way into stronger jobs and now holds us by the B....
And you're all afraid to stand up for your own rights, by fear of being called racist!!
WHEN did responding in self-defense became racist!?
This world is MAD.
They are taking over and you're cowering, whilst still being called "islamophobe"....
LOOK at what the crazies do around the world, and OPEN YOUR EYES.
I am American (atheist). Out of curiosity how are the areas in Canada where Muslims have moved? Are they demanding special privileges, or having "no go areas" for law enforcement, or just non-Muslims? I have heard of this type of thing in England, and other EU countries. And a little here in the US. Dearborn Mi comes to mind, but I'm not sure. I could be thinking of something to do with Flint.
@Singlespeedpunk That is good to hear. All I want is peace.
My cousin converted to Islam and was urging me to read the Quran. While reading the Quran, there were a few things that were alright to me, like telling people to care for the poor, needy, orphans and to free slaves. I haven’t gotten to finish reading it yet, but one thing that stuck out to me was how they described menstruating women as impure. Like, no? That’s a basic biological function that many women go through, there’s nothing pure or impure about it? And then it started getting into the rules of divorce, and it was clear that by divorce, it meant that a man can divorce his wife, but not the other way around. Just as Emma said, I feel as if it’s impossible for me to get into this kind of religion, as a woman, that teaches such views on women- especially since I had just gotten out of Christianity. Still going to keep reading and educating myself on it though, since my cousin is a professing Muslim and that the religion and it’s history and geography altogether is pretty damn interesting.
Al-Baqarah 2:222
وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلْمَحِيضِۖ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَٱعْتَزِلُوا۟ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فِى ٱلْمَحِيضِۖ وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَۖ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ ٱللَّهُۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلتَّوَّٰبِينَ وَيُحِبُّ ٱلْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is hurt, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves."
It will be your job to memorise this so that you can tell that man who tries to approach you to rape you.
For there is no ideal for you except Allah.
I think what annoys people about Zarah Sultana is that: one, she talks like a 14 year-old and, two, she belongs to a religion that stones women to death and she never condemns the practice of stoning women. We don't worry about upsetting Mormons (probably because it's mainly white Americans) but we tread carefully when approaching Islam. Islam is terrible ideology. Yes, the Bible is just as bad but the difference is there are no Bible-based theocracies where women are stoned to death. Israel doesn't have stonings, and yet that law is in the Torah. Islam is fascism from a 'holy book'.
Sultana has been brainwashed to believe that Islam came from a god. She's deluded. There is no god. She believes in a ideology that treats women as chattel. She's free to speak as she pleases become she doesn't live in an Islamic theocracy. In truth, secular Britain is saving her from her own credulity. She talks naïve nonsense. She talks about the evil of capitalism and yet her religion conquered many countries (only Spain and Portugal broke free from the Arab conquests; and it took Spain 400 years!) Pakistan is a territory that was conquered early. Is Pakistan a good country to be a woman in? Islam is pernicious. Islam has held Pakistan back (it's held it back morally and it's held it back as far as women's rights are concerned).
I can't believe you've been so pusillanimous when talking about Islam. You may as well have not made a video. You obviously only feel comfortable slapping down morons like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind; but when you're actually faced with something as truly horrible as Islam, you pull your punches. You almost give a warning you might have to say something bad about Islam! Gutless.
King John of England asked for the law of Muhammad.
Readable book on Islam: "No God but God". Reva Aslan. It's readable but he is also a believer. OTOH, seems to be a thoughtful believer. He's a Western convert.
@ottopotatum5775 Nobody who writes about a religion *represents* it. Don't think I implied this. "on Islam", "he's a believer", "it's readable", "it's thoughtful".
I can aesthetically understand but am intellectually mortified seeing a bookcase with the books ordered by the colours of their backs. I *so* hope this is just a weird coïncidence and the books just happen to have their bindings coloured according to their topics.
That ended suddenly is there a part 2?
This is anecdotal obviously but as an ex Muslim I never experienced any hate for that. My dad only asked why cause he thought I was an atheist and that I should look into even being Jewish or Christian. His only concern was that I didn't believe in god at all. Again from my experience it was just like any other religion there are people who adhere to the book and others who use it as more guide lines. Heck one of my favorite memories was going to the mosque in Fridays with my grandma and while the grownups would pray me and the kids would play and one of the games was tag but we would run all over the mosque and even in the prayer room which was funny to me cause it was typical children screaming till they passed the door into the pray room and then we turned into ninjas and go silent. There was an extra challenge of not getting grabbed by your parents while running from the person that was it. To be clear also the kids who got caught were just sat next to their parents and had to finish the prayer but would join back into the game afterwards lol.
Any way i guess my point us that it possibly depends on where and the people just like any other religion. Again this is from my personal experience and observations as I was never pressured to be Muslim or even stay in the religion
And was encouraged to think for myself. I got more push back from my dad when I started doing professional wrestling. Sorry for rambling always enjoy the Content have a good day and for those who took the time to read this, thanks for your time.
From what I understood, is that just like Christianity is fading in the west Islam is fading in the middle east. So in the past few decades especially in countries like Iran where the government policy is so tied to Islam people are leaving Islam, over longer periods of time the numbers can be as much as 35%
Most of those who leave Islam are Shiites in Iran, because the Shiite sect has illogical teachings that contradict the true teachings of Islam. Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain, these are countries that apply Islam in all fields, and people are okay. I do not hear that there are many who have departed from Islam in these countries.
It is nowhere near fading...aboslutely not.
@@FocusedFighter777 just look up the stats.