How Do Intrigue Relationships Work? | CS Joseph Responds

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  • @ajits64
    @ajits64 2 года назад +36

    I must have missed something. Can anyone supply the missing relationship for me? It would be #4!
    1 Affection / Golden pair
    2 Companion / Pedagogue
    3 Natural / (just be yourself)
    4 ??? Intrigue / Supervisor
    (Thx@ MrFlyingAce !)
    5 Silver pair / Respect
    6 Benefactor/ Trust
    7 Superego / Refinement
    8 Kindred / Kindness

    • @mrflyingace
      @mrflyingace 2 года назад +11

      The one this video is about. Intrigue. Also called "supervisor".

    • @ajits64
      @ajits64 2 года назад +7

      Hahaha. Now that is hilarious. I have a whole page of notes about it, too... Thanks!

    • @queenofeagles
      @queenofeagles 2 года назад +2

      Wait, so Kindred for istp is intp?

  • @stargirl-rx6ki
    @stargirl-rx6ki 2 года назад +33

    Relationship Pairs for ISFP
    1. Affection (Highest Sexual Compatibility/ “Golden” Pair): ESFJ
    2. Companion (Highest Sexual Compatibility/ “Pedagogue”): ESTJ
    3. Natural (2nd Highest Sexual Compatibly/ “Bronze” Pair): ENTP
    4. Respect (“Silver” Pair): ISFJ
    5. Trust (“Benefactor”): ISTJ
    6. Superego: INTP
    7. Kindred: INFP
    8. Intrigue: ENFP

    • @qasimimtiaz9668
      @qasimimtiaz9668 2 года назад +2

      Intrigue is 3rd highest sexual compatibility

    • @FirstLast-nr3fm
      @FirstLast-nr3fm 2 года назад

      how do you figure out all of these? what are the pairs for ISTP?

    • @hikikouri7254
      @hikikouri7254 2 года назад +6

      @@FirstLast-nr3fm Start with the golden pair and intuit the rest, Chase's listing of them in order for ENTPs allowed me to grab the pattern then you just follow that for whatever type you're talking about. For ISTPs it's the same as ISFPs up there just flip the Ts and Fs.
      1. ESTJ (Golden Pair)
      2. ESFJ (Companion)
      3. ENFP (Natural)
      4. ENTP (Intrigue)
      5. ISTJ (Respect)
      6. ISFJ (Trust)
      7. INFP (Refinement)
      8. INTP (Kindred)

    • @FirstLast-nr3fm
      @FirstLast-nr3fm 2 года назад

      @@hikikouri7254 ok, thanks very much

    • @Roogy88
      @Roogy88 2 года назад

      ty for this, i was looking for a list of the intertype relationship names chase uses. i'm only familiar with the socionics ones

  • @bobbyjean1581
    @bobbyjean1581 2 года назад +22

    Some of the intruige pairings are supervisor relationships in socionics. E.g ENTPs supervise ISTPs because they have Ne hero but ISPTs have Ne trickster. So its meant to be almost like ENTPs have an advantage over them. This means they are good at giving ISTPs advice, but sometimes the ISTP feels like this person kinda does what i do but they can do it better - e.g 'this person can do Ti better than me because their Ti is not so intense and they can balance it with Ne but i cant' and they are almost envious and can even become resentful. Imbalance doesnt hapoen with bronze pairs because both have hero functions that are tricksters for the other. Not saying the socionics theory is neccessarily true its just the theory
    Would be the same with e.g ENFP supervising ISFP with Ne
    Other supervisor pairings wouldnt come under intrigue e.g INFPs are meant to supervise ENTPs with Fi hero vs Fi trickster (but perception functions dont match)
    Anyway here is my Te input lol would be interested in your Ti thoughts on it

    • @TaxingIsThieving
      @TaxingIsThieving Год назад +1

      This is how I feel with ESTPs as an INTP. Not sure what you mean though how supervisors aren't always the intrigue

  • @moodymcsorley7691
    @moodymcsorley7691 2 года назад +12

    Ahh boy. If my current hypothesis is that I'm an ESFJ, I'm in an intrigue relationship with my INFJ S.O. Definitely a relationship that has its debates and mutual sharpening of each others' thinking, although it can be painful at times. But we've both grown so much because of it.

  • @Scarecrow1410
    @Scarecrow1410 2 года назад +40

    The silver pair needs more love. I’d like to find some INTPs because there’s no other type who’s level of thinking I have more respect for than them.

    • @asheekitty9488
      @asheekitty9488 2 года назад +3

      Y E S

    • @qasimimtiaz9668
      @qasimimtiaz9668 2 года назад +13

      INTPs that lack experiences sometimes say the most stupid things.

    • @aladdout9454
      @aladdout9454 2 года назад +4

      n me feels the same for infps

    • @natalieramirez6539
      @natalieramirez6539 2 года назад +2

      @@qasimimtiaz9668 This is true unfortunately

    • @Nesterou
      @Nesterou 2 года назад +5

      @@qasimimtiaz9668 yeah I feel that. We can think but sometimes we lack field experience and we remain entirely theoretical and forget a little about emotions and what it can trigger.

  • @webkelpie
    @webkelpie 2 года назад +26

    The fine line between sex and murder.

  • @TokyoTaisu
    @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +8

    Be me (INTJ). Go to kickboxing class. This ESTJ girl wants to spar. I laugh at her but OK.
    She's appearantly some pro (ups) and hits me on my nose. I get triggered. My serial killer look activated. Her next attempt I front kick her straight out of the ring. She went flying.
    Her look changed completely. I now see respect in her eyes. She comes again, this time she sees respect in my eyes.
    I lock her in a clinch (hug).
    Her face next to mine - ear to ear.
    We're both sweating heavily.
    My nose hurts and blood is running down my mouth.
    She wants to escape the clinch. I refuse. I hold her body tight. Squeeze her boobs to my chest. A bit longer than I should. I whisper in her ear "first yes to drinks".
    She knees me in my balls.
    Time's up.
    I go take a shower with the guys. Dress up, walk outside, get my bike.
    She's on my bike.
    Intrigue relationship ladies and gentlemen.

  • @marytheraspberry3145
    @marytheraspberry3145 Год назад +4

    can you talk about kindred relationships? especially when it's an Si critic and an Se trickster. Like an intp x istp relationship. Would it work, or will the istp's Si critic get irritated? Is there a possibility the istp will be attracted to begin with?

    • @Konsqwali
      @Konsqwali Месяц назад

      You'll annoy the hell out of each other at first. Over time, you might even end up in the others person's "stupid box", which really blows.
      But if you're humble about things, that's where you shine, and that's where your counterpart begins to see you in a new light. The humility, the kindness, and above all else: willing the good of the other, even if it costs you your pride.
      I've learned it's the best defense against such things as false humility, or a sense of misplaced loyalty, or lack of compensation in some emotional area. It's all too easy to get caught up in the mix, and your counterpart is constantly testing your beliefs against theirs, like two skittles mashed against one another: the stronger skittle wins and moves on to challenge the next one.
      One of you gives up your conviction for the other's sake, but it isn't (or hopefully isn't, if you're both aiming to become healthy individuals) out of some fickle movement, but rather, out of a deeper sense to improve one's expression of kindness, of humility, of care-giving rather than care-taking.
      Very challenging, very humbling, and it will cause you to question, and even change, every which way in which you perceive you deserve to be honored.
      Without any physical way to hash out the built up tension from arguments, feelings of neglect, or other forms of aggression due to lack of affiliation or emotional connection, it can be nearly impossible to sustain a long term or long distance serious relationship.
      Outside of this scope, no one will ever make to laugh more or laugh harder than your kindred pair when you're both in that state of friendly playfulness. No one better for a partner-in-crime.
      But as a romantic pairing, nothing short of God's miraculous work between you two.
      You're both gonna be naturally competitive to one another, and you'll need some kind of game or play or challenge arena, where you get to duke out who gets to be on top next (winner takes all, loser has to xyz kinda deal).b
      Humility and kindness are key. Never guilt your playmate, it'll destroy them. They'll disappear (or you will, apathy is the enemy), and you can only hope with time that things get better. It's the relationship, in my experience, where you can gain the greatest honors from your mate. But, conversely, if not handled with grace, can also bring the greatest sense of dishonor.
      I'm not sure I'm correct, let C.S. Joseph verify one day if he will. But this has been my experience.
      God bless you and yours. I hope this helps. 🕊

  • @mango38628
    @mango38628 2 года назад +15

    First I'm hearing about trauma bond with the kindred relationship. That's so interesting.

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +1

      Me too and can relate (21-27 age when I was in Kindred INTJ / INFJ relationship)

    • @mango38628
      @mango38628 2 года назад

      @@TokyoTaisu oh wow!

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +1

      @@mango38628 thanks - couple years in the relationship our traumas were healed pretty much and wer were both ready to be with a more fitting type. Now looking back it makes a lot of sense. What about you, been in kindred relationship too?

    • @mango38628
      @mango38628 2 года назад

      @@TokyoTaisu very interesting! I've never been in a committed relationship with an ESTP.

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад

      @@mango38628 so you are an ESFP without much youth trauma?

  • @abrahiemdash7676
    @abrahiemdash7676 2 года назад +12

    I liked how informative you were in this video
    I came to know one thing and got out with ten lol I wish if this lasted for an hour
    I really want to know all those relationship dynamics and how each one works

  • @elypelowski5670
    @elypelowski5670 2 года назад +6

    So based on what you are calling 'Natural' pairing then INTJ and ESFJ should be 'Natural' pairing correct?

  • @rogerbee1234567
    @rogerbee1234567 2 года назад +12

    i’ll pay you to make the kindred video at this point

    • @SantanaBanana47
      @SantanaBanana47 Год назад

      He probably has it as member exclusive content on his website. You could confirm that with someone who is a member

  • @archanasahitya5244
    @archanasahitya5244 2 года назад +8

    Is silver not good for monogamy?

  • @BookofYAH777
    @BookofYAH777 Год назад +3

    13:55 CSJ startled by the car horn 🤣

  • @elypelowski5670
    @elypelowski5670 2 года назад +4

    I agree with everything you've said here from what I have experienced in my life. Spot on.

  • @jiuvk8393
    @jiuvk8393 2 года назад +6

    Is there a chart for all types?

  • @aladdout9454
    @aladdout9454 2 года назад +4

    Infjs do you find esfjs intriguing? and why so? Also, I dont think bronze pairs should be called naturals in any way. I personally feel the most "being myself" around inxps

    • @Cinderella-mc8kf
      @Cinderella-mc8kf 2 года назад

      I do find them intriguing and feel sexually attracted to them

  • @giuseppelorisnuzzo2840
    @giuseppelorisnuzzo2840 2 года назад +6

    why is silver not in good for long term? the functions should still be in harmony(?)

  • @pramandrapanday464
    @pramandrapanday464 2 года назад +6

    I am an intj and I don't mix emotionally esfj women but there is tension. Is esfj my intrigue relationship

  • @akaboo69
    @akaboo69 2 года назад +7

    Whats intrigue for isfp??? Enfp??? Or am I wrong

  • @brennerandthefam
    @brennerandthefam 2 года назад +3

    Infj in a 1 year relationship with a esfj..I wouldn't say we found eachother intriguing...but definitely mysterious and I think that it's due to the fact that neither of us can totally understand one another bc of our NI and SI percieving functions...but the sexual side in our relationship is yes bar none..When one of us unintentionally does something that makes the other feel neglected, or we havent seen eachother in a few days we have found we start to feel disconnected, tension and arguements will then ensue, but when we get back together we dont feel the emotional detachment..We hash it out, make up and we are fine.This seems to be a reoccuring cycle, yet it brings ALOT of passion...very odd lol

  • @Chalupasandfupas
    @Chalupasandfupas 2 года назад +6

    I hope they put those links you mentioned in the description after listening to this. Lol

  • @gargimajumder6703
    @gargimajumder6703 2 года назад +6

    Is it only trauma bonding that keeps kindred pairs together? Or could it be a common activity or interest as well? Cuz I (infp) used to have an isfp bestie. And what kept us close was our love for writing scripts and we used to act out our roles 🤣 those r the most precious memories from my childhood

    • @ethtt
      @ethtt 2 года назад +3

      I would think that romantic vs friendship dynamics are very different. I think common interests are probably more important for friendship.

    • @ethtt
      @ethtt 2 года назад +3

      I (INFP) also had an ISFP friend who I would play music with all the time. We shared many common interests and developed musically alongside each other.

    • @gargimajumder6703
      @gargimajumder6703 2 года назад +1

      @@ethtt that's great. I remember those years of my life also as my most productive years, creatively.

    • @SantanaBanana47
      @SantanaBanana47 Год назад +1

      I think the kindred relationship is also called the playmate relationship. It can definitely have that vibe to it.

  • @Leneah99
    @Leneah99 2 года назад +3

    Much appreciated, updated info!

  • @GetYossedLol
    @GetYossedLol 2 года назад +6

    I (INTP) had a lot of fun with an ENTP ex. I wonder why that relationship isn't one of these

    • @godsmotels
      @godsmotels 2 года назад +3

      Agree, my boyfriend (ENTP) and I (INTP) have a super fulfilling relationship. I feel that we just “get” each other more than most.

    • @Nesterou
      @Nesterou 2 года назад

      Oof I met an ENTP. I kimd of had a crush on him but absolutely not the "I want a long term relationship" kind of crush. We got along and had some complicity. But deep down we were so, sooooo different it could have never worked long term. Almost everything he liked, I found it was the total opposite of what I liked. He loved to party I hated it. Tastes in term of colors, decoration, clothes... but I liked his wittiness, we had the same humour.

    • @TaxingIsThieving
      @TaxingIsThieving 2 года назад

      My ENTP love of my life is married. I bet she's an INFJ. I've got no chance.

    • @nemesis27
      @nemesis27 4 месяца назад

      Mistyped

  • @redrobin7297
    @redrobin7297 2 года назад +6

    do companion or intrigue relationships produce more sexual tension?

    • @CSJoseph
      @CSJoseph  2 года назад +9

      I am unsure

    • @qasimimtiaz9668
      @qasimimtiaz9668 2 года назад

      I say companion.

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад

      Companion gives me more emotional beta bucks tension while intrigue gives me more alpha fucks tension.

  • @abrahiemdash7676
    @abrahiemdash7676 2 года назад +4

    Wait a minute why the Silver pair was downgraded from 2nd to 5th
    ???

    • @CSJoseph
      @CSJoseph  2 года назад +9

      Because it was on the scale of just sexual compatibility

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +1

      @@CSJoseph How many different scales you got? 1 - sex, 2 - relationship / marriage, 3 - business (in your own quadra)?

    • @malakashraf2801
      @malakashraf2801 2 года назад +1

      @@TokyoTaisu there is a different one for marriage than sexual ? Do you know the order of it ?

  • @qasimimtiaz9668
    @qasimimtiaz9668 Год назад +2

    lately, you say natural, refinement, affection and respect is best for long term relationships.

  • @ajits64
    @ajits64 2 года назад +4

    [Would the compatible types change in the case of same-sex relationships..?] 🤔

    • @bradleysteuart78
      @bradleysteuart78 2 года назад +4

      No romantic compatibility is universal.

    • @ajits64
      @ajits64 2 года назад +4

      @@bradleysteuart78 I am just wondering if the same principles from this lecture/theory would apply equally to same-gender couples, or if there might be some modification to the application of these ideas. Just curious.

    • @bradleysteuart78
      @bradleysteuart78 2 года назад +3

      @@ajits64 Of course, the dynamic is the same because all humans regardless of sexuality are looking for the same things in a romantic relationship.

    • @ajits64
      @ajits64 2 года назад

      @@bradleysteuart78 So then your original response actually should have been(?):
      "No. Romantic compatibility is universal."

  • @qasimimtiaz9668
    @qasimimtiaz9668 2 года назад +10

    I relate to this. I feel sexual tension with ESTJ gym babes at the gym all the time - Intj. I felt same with my former supervisor at warehouse I worked for.

  • @valivali8315
    @valivali8315 2 года назад +6

    i feel kinda stupid for asking but i’m an infp, so is my natural partner an estp?
    and where can i find an overview on how to determine all the different pairs? x

    • @rachelruhls5327
      @rachelruhls5327 2 года назад +3

      I'm an infp and involved with an estp. I'll admit it can be challenging but when we do get along well, it is really really really nice. I just have to remind him not to hurt my feelings with his harsh truths and I gotta remember he isn't too future oriented-lol. It can be a lot of fun, in my opinion.

    • @k.c.sunshine1934
      @k.c.sunshine1934 2 года назад +4

      I believe this is based upon the information given in "type square" (just google it). The terminology is slightly different but you can compare CS's type (ENTP) with the types that he gives as particular compatibility in his video; once you understand the pattern then just apply it with your specific type to obtain the corresponding match for you. Just use the type square and note that "Supervisor" is directly given there as an example. Another example is "Benefactor" for which ENTP compares with ENFJ.

    • @aladdout9454
      @aladdout9454 2 года назад +7

      ur natural (bronze more like imo) is estp
      golden is enfj
      silver is infj
      superego is istp
      kindred is isfp
      benefactor is intj
      companion is entj
      and your intrigue is esfp

  • @chase1482
    @chase1482 2 года назад +3

    The tension is real.

  • @infdox9051
    @infdox9051 2 года назад +4

    Who would be the best shot at an LTR for an INTJ?

    • @CSJoseph
      @CSJoseph  2 года назад +3

      ESFJ

    • @FilipGiera
      @FilipGiera 2 года назад +1

      This is a sarcastic response, right?

    • @qasimimtiaz9668
      @qasimimtiaz9668 2 года назад

      @@CSJoseph ESFJs hard to find. Last time, I spoke to ESFJ, I was too nervous to ask her out.

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад

      @@CSJoseph Not going to happen, lol!

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +2

      @@qasimimtiaz9668 try every beerhall or festival in town. ESFJ's so shallow. They like these kind of cheap stupid group things.

  • @TaxingIsThieving
    @TaxingIsThieving Год назад

    12:25
    15:20
    Not true, I argue more with Judgers for obvious reasons. I have more in common with and emotional connection with ESTP

  • @pramandrapanday464
    @pramandrapanday464 2 года назад +5

    I just want know what will cause an esfj women to cheat the have si parent which means she is responsible and dutiful.

    • @qasimimtiaz9668
      @qasimimtiaz9668 2 года назад +11

      Ne child not feeling desired.

    • @nabsnabster3488
      @nabsnabster3488 2 года назад +9

      Si adopts societal values, even family, in the past they were super loyal, but in modernity, new societal messages, you first girl, your a queen, you need a man to excite you, look on social media so many options etc, makes it easier for them to do the dirty.

    • @rogerbee1234567
      @rogerbee1234567 2 года назад

      they will have one million simps in fresh rotation on social media to give them money/weed/dates at any time so just know

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +2

      @@nabsnabster3488 indeed many ESFJ women here in Tokyo are Ebisu Sex in the City career feminists now - unmarriable.

  • @qasimimtiaz9668
    @qasimimtiaz9668 Год назад +2

    why do i feel nervous aroubd estjs - intj

  • @TaxingIsThieving
    @TaxingIsThieving 2 года назад +1

    ENTPs are so rare I am embarrassingly talkative around them.

  • @outrageousmermaid9073
    @outrageousmermaid9073 2 года назад +1

    So dope, thanks C.S. Joseph!

  • @bobbyjean1581
    @bobbyjean1581 2 года назад +8

    Interesting, MGK (ENTP) + Megan Fox (ESTP) looks like a trauma bond
    Also did you say before that bronze pairs often come from trauma? And that they are seeking joy because of this. So trauma resulting in missing joy = seek bronze pair. Trauma resulting in missing kindness = i forgot the name lol but as above

  • @VE11
    @VE11 2 года назад +1

    Why do the episodes come later than the videos

  • @mandybee5182
    @mandybee5182 2 года назад +4

    I’m an INFJ F and my new guy is an ENTP. What would we be?

    • @gargimajumder6703
      @gargimajumder6703 2 года назад +7

      Pedagogue aka the companion relationship

    • @almostashish
      @almostashish 2 года назад +1

      Intrigue is INFJ - ESFJ, yours is pedagogue.

    • @infernal..
      @infernal.. 2 года назад

      @@almostashish how about infj and isfj

    • @almostashish
      @almostashish 2 года назад +3

      @@infernal.. Kindred- Trauma bond based on kindness and sharing but with no emotional compatibility as both have same Fe function. Sexual compatibility is the least as Optimistic Si hero of Isfj has to interact with pessimistic Se inferior of Infj. Good for friendship, not romantic.

    • @TokyoTaisu
      @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад

      @Mandy match made in heaven

  • @yzf1496
    @yzf1496 Год назад

    This means that intrigued for each one is different...like intrigued for infp is esfp...
    INFP-ESFP
    for ESFP is ISTP
    For ISTP isENTP
    For ENTP is INFP....THEN FOR INFJ INTRIGUE
    INFJ-ENTJ
    For ENTJ-ISTJ
    For ISTJ-ESFJ
    For ESFJ-INFJ....THEN FOR INTJ INTRIGUE
    INTJ-ENFJ
    For ENFJ-ISFJ
    For ISFJ-ESTJ
    For ESTJ-INTJ...THEN FOR ISFP INTRIGUE
    ISFP-ENFP
    For ENFP-INTP
    For INTP-ESTP
    For ESTP-ISFP...
    AM I RIGHT?

  • @qasimimtiaz9668
    @qasimimtiaz9668 Год назад +2

    I find ENFP and ESTJ women most hot but I feel like ESFJs probably best for me despite their promiscuous nature.

  • @ethtt
    @ethtt 2 года назад +4

    So fascinating.

  • @TokyoTaisu
    @TokyoTaisu 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for being based and always speaking your mind.

  • @stivii5322
    @stivii5322 2 года назад +4

    My husband (intj) and I(enfj) have been together for 15 years. We are so different from each other but that's what draws me to him. I wonder if we have that intrigue compatibility .

  • @bjsirilan7534
    @bjsirilan7534 2 года назад +1

    How do you make this relationship work?

  • @Amrrkevin
    @Amrrkevin 2 года назад +4

    9:10

  • @malakashraf2801
    @malakashraf2801 2 года назад +1

    The kindred is trauma relation , how could you not agree with that ? No wonder I like intps that much especially the angry ones , lol .

  • @TaxingIsThieving
    @TaxingIsThieving Год назад +1

    I'm more submissive than argumentative with intrigue

  • @lanalvr2413
    @lanalvr2413 2 года назад +6

    what is the intrigue for infp

  • @zhoumei6
    @zhoumei6 2 года назад +1

    💗 love your sincere apology.

  • @qasimimtiaz9668
    @qasimimtiaz9668 Год назад +1

    How about pedagogue?

  • @aladdout9454
    @aladdout9454 2 года назад

    so what made you change pedagag to companion?

    • @CSJoseph
      @CSJoseph  2 года назад +3

      Not a change, just updated

  • @TaxingIsThieving
    @TaxingIsThieving Год назад

    I'm an INTP and I like ESTPs but I don't think it would work

  • @kimtopology4257
    @kimtopology4257 Год назад +1

    A good relationship is built upon respect, love,and trust when you have those things the Intrigue comes to spice up your marriage or whatever relationships your in if you are building your relationships baste upon just surface level things will fall apart all these terms like Golden pair or silver and then bronze doesn't keep the flames going it's those who are healthy types that embody those traits I mentioned above .

  • @denzelwashington3596
    @denzelwashington3596 2 года назад +6

    If you don't recommend monogamous relationships, why are you in one?

    • @CSJoseph
      @CSJoseph  2 года назад +6

      For the same reason Tomassi doesn’t recommend them.

  • @teacupnoir
    @teacupnoir 2 года назад +3

    LOL