GasSafe CONDEMNED Narrow Boat!! London Canal Boats.
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- In this video I install an new gas supply on a narrow boat.
Working on canal boats or any other marine vessel has a lot of different regulations which can cause confusion. In this video I highlight some of these issue.
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There's 'qualified' and then there's qualified. Informative and entertaining. You are a credit to the trade sir.
Unfortunately, knowing that you don't know something is hard for a lot of engineers. :-)
i am not a boat man but enjoyed every moment better than watching a movie
Thanks :-)
Just about to have a new cooker installed on my narrow boat, given me an idea as to what goes on, really useful video, Thanks.
Another very informative one Ollie, as someone with my LPG ticket, there was some things I didn’t not know. Lesson, always check your books if it’s not something you do every day.
Thanks mate👍
So true. Its very difficult with boats tbh. The book contradicts its self with regulations. If you read one and work to it then you should be ok. But you need to remember which one.... Pain in the ass. :-)
Lovely Job as always. Let's hope the guy who did the original install was watching. He might have learnt a thing or two or even 10.
I wonder if he will see it. I know who he is......
Great educational video mate! Not LPG registered but learnt so much from you! Smashing job mate!
It was an interesting job. :-)
Great video Ollie 🔥, very informative and interesting especially being being onboard a canal boat and using LPG. There are supposedly experts and then there real experts. Your the boss bud.🌟👍
Glad you enjoyed it! It was very different.
Thoroughly enjoyed that mate. All I mind from Acops 1-5 & 15 day are the copper olives and smaller pipe sizes...no boilers in basements..... fell for the holes to let it escape at the end until seen the water !!
Driving holes in boats is a serious business. The other installer obviously wasn't aware. :-)
Nice to see someone do a job properly!
Thanks. Took a lot of reading. :-)
Brilliant video mate. Never worked LPG on a boat. Really interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it. This job was a pain to comply with all the rules and regs
Genius 👏👏.. l learn more from heating geek than I did @ college
We all learn from experience:-)
Great video very interesting and good insight into boots and lpg
Glad you enjoyed it.:-)
Great vid as always fella! 👍
Thanks 👍 Bit of a weird job for me. :-)
Love that with his manuals..... if I ain't sure I look it up👍
Thats why we have them. :-)
@@HeatingGeek Yes cuz surely you can’t be expected to remember *EVER* single last piece of information right 😉👍
Top tip for you, as I have picked a few up from your vids :-) I used to do some boat work and soon found that my garden wheelbarrow was the way forward for easily getting all my kit to the job from the van, also get confirmed payment there and then, as one steamed off the next day without paying, never to be seen again. :-(
The thing is.... They do 3mph. :-) On my bicycle I can do 10+mph for 5 hours. They could never get away. :-)
@@HeatingGeek My awol boat went to sea we think.... :-(
Great video, really enjoyed it. I’ve only got my lpg for domestic and commercial properties. Really interesting to see what’s involved with boats 👍
The rules are very very frustrating. Its the hardest bit of the LPG book (to apply). Have a look. :-)
Thanks bud . It’s hopefully the ticket to get . Not so much demands for boats in Scotland but a big market
For Caravans
@@dylanellis2694 I just wanted to try everything. LPG is harder than commercial I think. What do you reckon?
@@HeatingGeek I think both have there challenges. For me coming from a domestic background I found commercial harder but that’s just me. LPG was still a pain and had its challenges
Hi, I'm new to your channel, I like what i've seen and enjoy the videos . Can I make a couple of points re this boat. You don't say (or I missed it) if the boat was residential or for holiday use, the ventilation requirements are different for these boats. At 14:28 you point out some brazed joints, BSS requires copper pipework to be joined with compression fittings. When you tested the hob burners you mentioned your pressure readings, It wasn't clear from the video if the oven was on at the same time, BSS requires burner performance to be checked with all burners operating at maximum and flame pictures correct.
I appreciate that some of this may have been lost in the edit.
BTW what part of the country do you serve?
Paul
Hi paul,
The joints were brazed not soldered. Brazed joints are suitable for gas on boats. this was confirmed by BSS. The vessel was residential. A lot of commissioning was not in the edit simply to keep it simple. Air test, gas test, working, lockup, CO..... Too much to keep in the video. :-)
Excellent. As usual.
Thanks for watching it. :-)
Great video, very informative and it's great to see someone take pride in their trade.
Just a question, which size pipe did you use for the installation. As I'm can't seem to find an Adel bubble tester that's compatible with imperial pipe, it seems not exsistant?
Cheers
That is correct.
Spot on mate , its all there for the reading if you dont know . Or failing that bell Gas safe and they're happy to help
Gas safe were struggling a little on this one. ;-)
Great video that black nylon hose looks like LPG liquid filler hose to me can be use for hydraulic pipe I believe but I'm only a joiner
So we both know its doesn't appear correct. :-) But thats all we know. I wish someone with knowledge of it would let us know.
Great job! Were those sections of wood under the gunwale where you clipped the pipe to already there or did you have to fit those as well?
Most were there already. :-)
Hang your shoes up 🤣🤣🤣, great video, I don't know much about gas on boats, nor lpg, learned some good stuff 👍
what was the guage of the pipe you used throughout ,15 x 0.9 ? ( even through the bubble tester)?
Great job man, now they just need new appliances or a bloody good clean lol
My thoughts exactly. :-)
Nice job
Thanks! It was an interesting job and I enjoyed it. :-)
Interesting job!
Thanks! It was very difficult to stick to a set of regulations. Boats are very frustrating to work on.
@@HeatingGeek really really interesting. Quite fancy boat life now
@@davidclark3581 Boat life looks really chilled. A lot of the boats I work on need a lot of work too. :-)
The one thumbs down 👎 is from the original engineer who installed it 🤣
:-) He wouldn't dare. Name and shame. :-)
Omgd you almost dink that boat wondering how did you fill those holes,
Hi I dont ever comment but really liked this vlog, can you tell me the book or books I can purchase regarding Gas regs on live aboard boats etc. Many thanks
I have the NICEIC LPG book. "On site guide" It has a small chapter on Boats at the end.
A bubble tester is 8mm or 10 mm , pipes should be in old money ie 3/8 ths how is this complient with bss standards how do I get around this ?
Trying to get a bubble tester installed on my (shared) narrowboat but am being told by the guy who does our gas testing and installations "not gas safe approved". As many (esp newer) boats have them and boat safety scheme includes them I was pleased to see you had installed one. Otherwise, a lay person (e.g. me) with zero sense of smell cannot tell if an appliance is not turning off properly. Any guess why we are being told "not approved"? (I suspect it's "not approved by 'me' "!). Re the junk in the gas locker, it is SO hard to tell other owners not to store stuff there!
They are gas approved and they comply with the regulations as needed. You can email them. The regulations (BS EN) ISO 8434-1;2007 are for the brass fittings the bubble tester use (Yes brass on boats). The only issue is you may need to "parallel" the bubble tester depending on your KW loading.
Any recommendations on a sniffa to check combustion seals and heat ex seals?
I would use your analyser. Keep it simple. :-)
Did the boat have an instantaneous water heater like morco or paloma ? i saw a roof terminal not sure i saw one inside , if it did then surely its over the 12kw that a bubble tester can handle
No they didn't. Otherwise it would also be over the 15KW the bottle can provide. :-)
Hello there.....May I ask a question? I wish to replace my cooker / hob on my Narrowboat as part of a new galley.
At the moment the oven and hob is one unit, but I want a separate oven and hob. Also I want them on different sides of the boat. So do I need to run two gas pipes from the front locker or perhaps one pipe under the gunnel as is now, but install a tee and run a pipe down from that under the floor and up to the hob on the other side of the boat. and the other side of the tee a pipe run on to the oven.
2 Gas pipes is the answer. You should run a gas pipe as high as possible to help prevent a gas leak from filling the bilge with an explosive mix before someone smells it. :-) Thats why you usually see them fixed to the underside of the gunnel. I hope it all goes well :-)
@@HeatingGeek Thanks....Two pipes it is...
@@allanxxx8789 Remember that the pipework must be suitable and you need to use bulkhead fittings. The wall thickness of the pipe needs to be 1mm. Imperial pipework usually has the correct dimensions. Please be 100% sure on what your doing and fit a bubble tester. :-)
Is it worth doing the Lpg add on?
I’ve been asked maybe 5 times in 10 years but have passed work on, I’m now living in rural Derbyshire so am thinking about upgrading
Not really tbh. Probably do 5-6 jobs a year. It might make sense for you though. :-)
Its worth it for me as all I do is lpg nearly every day lol. I still have look at handbook for some odd jobs.
what size pipe is that?
Thanks for the informative videos .
I hope you can help.
I had a call from my clien about Worcester compact si Combi.
He said I got ea229 code, after reset it goes out, and comes back .
Any help will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks
Know you were on about a new powerflush, I haven't bought one before, was looking at the adey magnacleans as only doing domestic work, if anyone has any feedback or recommendations it would be much appreciated 👍 thanks
Yep, adey magnacleanse great bit of kit. I wouldn’t be with out it now.
My Kamco has been great. Cant fault it.
Ive got Magnacleanse, but ive used 5 times. its good on a new system clean also . for example new boiler and keeping existing pipework and rads. As you cut out the 130?? mm on the return, connect and let it do its stuff then when your finished you quickly remove the push fit connections and fit a magnaclean valve or similar, in the pipe thats already now cut ready.
Although is relys on boiler pump, i never really get much dirt out. Maybe cos there clean anyway, but its nice to see dirty water when your cleaning, to feel like its been worth it
@@HeatingGeek apologies for hijacking your forum for advice btw 🤣 great videos, very informative, thanks and keep it going if possible👍
Hi, what areas do you work in ? Do you have a link to your buisness please ?
I'd love to be your apprentice. Seriously no joke
Im still learning myself. :-)
Great video dude. Only do domestic gas installations and repairs, what's the reasoning for not having solderered joints? Is it something to do with lpg or is it a boat thing?
It's a boat thing, boats move, soldered joints can crack. Brazed joints are permissible, or were last time I checked, but the BSS inspector can't tell the difference between soldered and brazed, so to avoid issue it's best to bend the tube or use marine approved compression fittings, like Wade.
Imperial pipe tends to be used, it's to do with the pipe wall thickness, imperial is thicker walled. Again because boats move.
@@LondonGas nice one, thanks for the information
I printed a A4 document explaining what regulations and BS the work was done to. I laminated it and gave it to the owner.
@@HeatingGeek Nice touch :)
@@LondonGas Have to educate the owners and BSS. :-)
That original installation was shocking, and above all the installer had clearly no experience of working on boats. Even if he had used the correct schedule pipe going through the steel bulkhead, it would have fretted through due to the vibration of the hull caused by the Diesel engine. Did you report the install to Gas Safe? You did a first class job btw.👍
I got the job from Gassafe. :-)
What was the water coming inside the boat ?
he drilled through his bucket as a joke and made it look like the boat
Someone's a chirpy chappie today! ;-)
Always! Or never. I can't remember which. :-)
Nice work as per usual, do you know what happened to the pervious engineer and I say engineer in the loosest possible way.
He's busy. I wish I could find out what GasSafe done with him. :-)
I'm not a gas engineer but I need to ask 2 questions. 1. Why not 15mm copper supply pipe? 2. Does the bottle space need to be ventilated? Got the first one now.
LPG is heavier than air mate. So you can guess what can happen
The holes in the gas locker onto the canal are the ventilation. Some regulations said ventilation "could" be fitted in the gas locker top but didn't explain why. Boat builders probably have far more knowledge. You found the answer for 15mm copper?
Also interested in why 15mm copper is not suitable? Pretty sure the pipes on mine are narrower than that (bought the boat with am existing gas system, which has passed BSS.) I'm on a narrow boat but I mostly stay on the same mooring, would that make a difference? Beautiful work btw and yes the standard of work from a lot of people who take money for what they do is often quite shocking. Nice to see someone do things properly!
An interesting different informative video
Glad you think so! It took more reading than doing TBH. :-)
@@HeatingGeek aye, it didn't look that "hard" to do as a job as such. It was just the utilizing possessed (and reminding yourself of rarely used) knowledge to do the job correctly
Tbf the screws alone would have set off danger signs nevermind the copper pipe just passing through the holes without some sort of sleeve and thus wouldve been banging against a sharp edge whenever the boat moved or with enough boats going by it
@@stevenwhyte4217 I know. :-) I actually drew blood twice from them screws. Both times on my legs while leaning over into the locker. Yep it took me that long to remove them.....
@@HeatingGeek was there something in particular that lead to Gas Safe coming out or did the client just look at it all and go "nah... something isn't right here"
@@stevenwhyte4217 I think they just knew the installation wasn't like their other canal boat. Also the screws and the fact the engineer didn't/wouldn't give them any paperwork. Funny thing is the engineer is actually well known within the industry (not youtube or instagram) . He should know better.
Are you saying ,this installation was condemned by Gas safe? What are all the references to The BSS for?
Yes, it was condemned by GasSafe. I only mentioned the BSS because they advised me how to deal with the holes made. I wasn't sure what to do so I called them.
@@HeatingGeek was it an inscope boat?
@@MarinesurveyBiz Yes. It was a residential boat.
@@HeatingGeek As it was a new installation, why did you not fit an OPSO regulator?
@@MarinesurveyBiz The regulator was the existing one. The owner didn't want to upgrade it. Therefore it was not a completely new installation.
What’s that gas leak detector called?
Which one? The one that was leaking internally was a Testo 110
@@HeatingGeek sorry I mean the in-line unit that had the clear window that would show bubbles in the event of a leak when pushed down
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@@HeatingGeek Thanks for your time!
@@k1lmo I love a good Ale. I'm going to sub to you on my personal youtube and hopefully get my brew on (after the busy work season ahead). :-)
Looking at the hideous blue pram cover on the back I was wondering if that gas fitter moonlights as a pram cover fitter when not doing his brilliant gas fitting🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤔🤔🤔🤔
I'm not a fan of any covers TBH but they do help get extra Dry storage. :-) Narrowboats look better naked. :-)
@@HeatingGeek the pram if nothing else is a good place to take off your wet boots *before* you track it all inside.
I’m no expert but surely that regulator & the position of that gas pipe would be common sense!
To me anyway,not to mention those screws 😆🤦♂️what a numpty
indeed. :-)
There's Qualified as full apprenticeship Qualified and Qualified as a two day course Qualified, I am a marine qualified fitter whose gas qualification lapsed 20 years ago and I've never see so many faults on a supposed Qualified install, goes to show that the modern qualifications are useless if the training is below par.
I cant tell you how right you are. Its scary.
Ps. Rey informative vid
Very 🤣
Shocking absolutely shocking
Which bit :-)
I'm not gas registered or a gas engineer. But even I can see the errors he made, some of which were quite serious.
Qualified......... Amazing isn't it. :-)
Ollie come back!!!! 😭😭
I’ve said on your channel before these ”gas engineers” should reported to the appropriate authority.
This one was condemned by Gas Safe, so presumably he was reported.
I attended after GasSafe had already condemned the job. The other company were communicating with GasSafe.
absolutely correct.
I'm a master plumber in Texas...never heard the term Olive before is that slang is that a feral and a compression fitting is what it looks like? I'm just being curious I like to hear the terms used elsewhere...
Not slang. Olive is the correct name in the UK for the copper or brass ring used as the sealing medium on a metal compression fitting. I'm not sure of the derivation except it does resemble a sliced olive in profile I suppose, but that's a complete guess.
Do you wear a cowboy hat to work
Just wondered
Tim has give all the info I could of. Whats the work like in Texas? Do you do gas too?
Thanks Tim. :-)
Just like us we don't have master plumbers, plumbers are way down in the pecking order, heating engineers are the top:)
Mid way through watching this video trying to take it all in and all I can think of is beard.
:-) All gone now.:-)
Hahaha the ending man was brill. May aswell have drilled a hole in it its a shit heap!
:-) The boat just needs a refit.
Calm down gangster rapper, Eminem read the dictionary to become the rap god, you read the unsafe situations gas god 😂 nice video
There went any rapping. :-)
I am not a boat or gas person. However during the condemned install show, alarms sounded: it looked wrong and I do not know chapter and verse. Now, I know far more. I know LPG and boats have devil's horns attached, get it wrong = boat blows up.
Get it wrong and boats sink too. :-) Also CO is a big problem too. Even the solid fuel stuff kills people.
Basically its like the old copper grade x stuff thick as shit and can bend it easy had my lpg years ago was waiting for the olives when you took that fitting off haha I remember going to loads that wernt correct boards are totally different to houses and caravans it’s mad how engineers miss loads of stuff that’s why your public liability winge like fuck when you tell them you’ve got lpg and boats ahah
My current insurer removed boats unless they are in a dry dock..... So at the moment I can't do any...
Gas pipe runs should be clipped every 15 inches to comply with BSC
Its actually 500mm or 19.6 inches. :-)
You are supposed to use braided hoses to the appliances didn’t think brazing was allowed
Brazing IS allowed. BSS will confirm that (It is not on their main document but IS on an appendix) . Soldering is NOT allowed. The hoses are BS 3212:1991 Type 2. They are correct for the marine environment. :-)
You pay your hard-earned cash to a so-called 'expert' and then find out he shouldn't be allowed to use lego unsupervised! I hope they recouped some of their money. Well done Mr Geek.
They did. ;-)
“Use Lego unsupervised” 😂🤣😆👍
My god ... I install renewables ... that install is a disgrace...a floating bomb 💣
It wasn't great. :-)
The idiot who did this should be named and shamed and kicked out of the gas industry.....
i 'm living on a narrowboat in essex ( canvey island) & i just can't get a marine gas registered engineer for love or money , i'v been looking for one for well over a year to service my boiler (with certificate ) & fit a bubble tester ,
It's really difficult for us. Insurance is a real problem. It has stopped me doing it for a while now. Is your boat likely to be coming out for blacking or anything in the near future?
@@olivergilcreest5941 no had it blacken only last year with 2 pac epoxy so not looking at taking her out of the water & i'm on tidal
Sorry that was me before. I'm in the process of becoming a BSS examiner. I just need better insurance....
@@HeatingGeek good luck with becoming an BSS examiner ,just passed today my BSS with no advisories so all good for 4 years 😅
@@theoneonlymusicchannel Thats really good news. Not very many boats pass first time. :-) Well done!
Those Testo guages are pooh from what I've been told.... Water guage or my Anton FGA everytime.
The Testo stand alone pressure gauges were poo when I had one over ten years ago. The tiniest spot of rain and the screen went blank until it dried out. It obviously never rains in Testo Land. I use Anton fga, but sometimes lust after a Testo fga for its ability to cope with high CO readings using dilution.
Yeah, I'm not a fan. I had a few. Given up with them now.
I bought one of those testo electronic gauges on an insta recommendation and it would not stand a pressure test with only a 50mm length of hose connected plugged off,really poor quality stuff so sent it straight back for a refund and went for a kzne one so it could be serviced along with the same brand analyser but do agree you cant beat the old school eater u gauge for reliability
oops that one dislike probably the previous engineer
:-) If people hate you, you're doing something right. ;-) I don't know who said that, but its true. :-)
Wow.💩
Why?
@@HeatingGeek The previous installation was a crappy job, Yours is perfect.
@@GPDIY You made me sad. :-) Now i can sleep. Thanks for the reply. :-)
@@HeatingGeek You are welcome. Keep it up.
Holy shit.... within 3 minutes of the vid starting I thought ISIS had installed a bomb on the boat.... Protruding screws .... wtf.
Was it an engineer who done the gas work or a man with a horse........cowboy.? Who tried to save money by doing a bit of DIY.
No, it was a full qualified engineer. I have his details and I checked him out. It turns out I have met him several times.
A DIY boat owner would probably do a much better job - their life depends upon it.