00:00 Intro 1:18 Jake-(CA) | Sins of the Father 11:38 Andrew-NY | Pegged Ya for a Pagan 22:38 Mike-TX | A Fast-Talkin’ High-Minded Case for a God 37:50 Robin-DC | Picking Sides about Truth Claims 53:07 Steven-WA | Truth with a Very Small T 1:21:15 LaRue-IL | Karma or God? 1:27:17 Tate-AZ | Minds and Morality 1:32:08 Charles-(CA) | What Counts as Evidence? 1:34:44 Jake-(UK) | Family Boundaries
Mike has called in several times over the years, each time trying to bait Matt into a "formal debate." Mike thinks he's a master baiter, unfortunately for him, he's just been left playing with himself!
What strikes me is, most of the gods were invented by bronze age men. Most likely men, not women. I doubt those men were high brow. The priests were just plain delighted the peasents were giving them a share of their crop 😂😂
@@Catheadkisser Thats nice 👍. Must be a big smokehouse to fit us all in. I think your non existant god prefers BBQ, but sure, kippered aethiests will sell well in the bible belt. Aethiest meat jerky 😂😂.
I had to laugh when Matt said about Mike “Try decaf for a start” because only minutes earlier I said to my partner that Mike needs to stop drinking raspberry cordial.
@@michaelmay5453 It depends on the teenager. If you are a teenager or young adult and just learned something mind-blowing to you, suddenly some think they know more than everyone else.
First we get Mr. Batman, who is an imbecile. Now we get Robin, who is a moron. All we need now is a clueless Joker to show up for the trifecta of stupidity.
Mike is just Jordan Peterson after slamming eight Red Bulls, with a 5-Hour Energy chaser after each one. I was worried that he was going to vibrate into another dimension at some point.
I’m pretty sure Mike called a few years ago, because he asked about setting up a debate before and Matt eventually told him fuck off and he wouldn’t debate him.
Hilarious that Mike thinks he's "on Matt's level" and that they should have a conversation "in front of a University." He talks quickly and throws out citations but doesn't ever actually say anything substantive, yet thinks that he's some kind of genius.
Bravo Steven!!! Rarely we see such an honest person here. We saw the inner workings of many believers: there's no rationale to believe, but I stay because I can't leave the good community behind. Wish more people would be this honest with themselves!
@@God-ld6ll Impressive name. I understand it's irrelevant god but so many people would pay for that RUclips title. All powerful, whatever, just think about it. I have a business proposal I think you could get behind. Personal experience me!
I think I remember Einstein referring to a theory of everything when asked by a reporter what he was working on, long ago. I thought it was a tongue in cheek kind of reference to his being busy and not wanting to delve into details he knew were difficult to understand, especially by a non physicist/mathematician, but I could be mistaken.
That conversation with Steve was one of my favorite calls of all time and I have been a fan for years. I could hear the gears turning in his head.😁 Not to mention the fact that he seems like a good dude, he was having honest discourse and was actually thinking about what was being discussed. I wish way more calls went this way. Awsome episode today. Nicely done.
I had an excellent philosophy and logic course at UConn, and it helped my get clarity on a lot of stuff I had kinda known intuitively, but couldn't clearly define. I read a textbook on fallacies about 5 times and it was like having my eyes opened.
About fast-talking Mike: "...you deserve to communicate with a theist at my level"? What awful nonsense. I know narcissistic personality disorder when I see it.
Matt, never leave the show. I enjoy each of the hosts and guest hosts since I began watching, but I began watching the videos because of you. Your command of logic and rhetoric and your own razor sharp reasoning are a master class in debate and applied logic. Im enjoying the learning on many subjects.
You are both lucky to have each other in your lives. Really enjoyed the show. Sorry to hear Shannon has had a bereavement. Hope she is around people who will support her.
Robin follows Darth and even says what Darth told him to say. But Robin is just bad. He always tries to lead them to ultimate. But Everytime he calls, his setup starts with things that aren't part of his argument in order to lead them into it. Most of the time, his call never gets to his argument because they argue about errors or terms that ultimately aren't needed for his argument. He's not smart enough to go around those things. He just bad at it
I appreciate that Matt refuses to let JRobin run his script. Curious to know if JRobin ran right back to Darth's room to talk about how he owned Matt? If so, "Did you get that Tom Rabbittt?"
@@markvonwisco7369 They normally have a chat open telling them what to say. Some of them have mechanical keyboards and you can actually hear them typing.
"there are levels of theist" No there aren't Mike, you may consider yourself a level 100 warlock Mastermind theist but everyone who believes in a god of some sort is a theist, there are no levels. There are levels of intelligence, and your level of intelligence is not as high as you may want to believe.
@@TBomb39 Atheists are much more aware of reality in general. Theists are inherently dishonest since most of them reject facts, science and reality with respect to the Bible and their belief in their god. And they dishonestly use every tactic to avoid accepting the truth.
Mike is so convinced he is not only a genius, but incapable of being wrong. In addition, his breakdown of methodological naturalism takes an unjustified leap to a mind. Classic fail.
The Dunning Kruger effect. No-one is more confident of their intelligence than the idiot. Because, essentially, we don't know what we don't know. So the person who actually understands very little is convinced that they know everything, as they have no idea just how much they have yet to learn. But the intelligent studied person looks at the vast wealth of things that they know, they half-know, they know that no-one actually knows, etc. and realises that, for sure, you've got to be humble in the face of such vast knowledge that no single person could ever possibly fully understand in all its myriad aspects. They see "the size of the universe" in their chosen field, and realise that it's beyond any person's abilities to completely know it all. The more you know - about any subject - the more you come to realise that, in fact, no-one really knows all that much. Dig down into any subject and what you usually find, at the bottom of it all, is experts arguing over the very definitions of their subject. Like biologists arguing "what is the definition of life anyway?". Philosophers arguing over whether anything can have any meaning at all (e.g. Nihilism). Or physicists with myriad questions, which you'd think were very basic, such as "what is time?", "what is motion?", etc.. So, the more you know, the more you realise that, mostly, no-one knows much of anything on any subject, in fact. And so the true experts, who know the most, actually realise that they should not have confidence that they know much of anything or that what they do know is all that sound. Because you can look back on past practitioners of your field and then pick apart everything they did wrong - doctors sawing off legs with rusty saws, Newton "missed a bit" when it came to time that Einstein had to add, how Lemarkian evolution has no inheritance mechanism, etc. - to be quite, quite sure that you are almost certainly also making such horrid mistakes right now, that future practitioners are going to look back on and think "damn, what were they thinking?". The more you know, the less confidence you have that you really know anything. So, with noted irony, no-one is more confident of their intelligence than the idiot who has little, and no-one is more doubting that they know anything at all than the world's greatest expert. Hence, the Dunning Kruger effect. Namely, unintelligent people rate themselves as more intelligent than they are, and intelligent people rate themselves as less intelligent than they are (and in the experiments that demonstrate this, the effect is more or less proportional too - the biggest idiots overrate themselves the most, and the smartest people there are underrate themselves drastically). And, thus, if you have any wisdom about you, then default to doubting anyone who displays just that bit too much confidence that they won't back down to listen to someone else. The most intelligent people know to never silence criticism, as that's how you find out when you genuinely have got it wrong... and the more you know, the more sure you become that, yes, you genuinely have got it wrong somewhere. Of course you have. The question is not "have I got it wrong?", the question is "where have I got it wrong?". Because you definitely have got it wrong somewhere. But, well, "we don't know what we don't know", so locating where the problem actually is, is the hardest question of all. But you've inevitably got something wrong somewhere. We all have. This is why science proves so successful, as it makes that base assumption of doubt. Start by assuming you know absolutely nothing and then, piece by piece, prove to yourself that you actually know anything. That might sound unproductive, but the reverse is true, as nothing has been more pragmatically productive than science and its resulting technologies ever in the history of everything.
@@Catheadkisser - There are no new arguments for a God. They've all been thoroughly debunked for decades - centuries. If you think you have a valid argument - google it - you'll find plenty of reasoned rebuttals. An aspect of a valid methodology includes trying to prove yourself wrong - try it.
@Joe Daddy Sorry Joe. Those so-called "arguments" are all variations of special pleading and therefore self-defeating. So it seems your "blabbering" of "irrelevancies" is projection on your part. Or textbook DK. Now watch carefully as the gaslighting troll dissembles and moves the goalposts.
Steven's call was awesome. . . refreshing to have an honest theist. . .the mike drop moment comes at the 1:15:00 mark mwhen matt poses the dichotomy that shakes steve to his core. . . MUST SEE. . .and I will use that with a friend.
@@jamesparson If more of them had Steven's courage to actually thoughtfully consider the questions Matt (and other hosts) put to them, more of them would be stumped. Most of them avoid being stumped by ignoring the dilemma they're being presented, and reassert their comfortable, dearly held position, refusing to entertain anything else. Steven's courage and honesty is a breath of fresh air!
@@Catheadkisser Lovely self-aggrandising imagination you've got there, bub! Got an actual grasp on reality too?... You haven't? I didn't think you could. Thanks for the laughter you've provided, though! 🤣
@@adamgrimsley2900 I upticked it before your I saw your reply Adam as I thought it said it all and was a perfect response to the first post Whovian made.
The last game we had with Robin was every time he said "state of affairs". Every call he latches on to whatever talking point the discord dudes feed him.
Heh, no You did not "lose" Robin`s call, that was intentionally done by Robin so that he could consult Darth and his minions that was listening this call.
Robin's whole shtick is a desperate attempt to assign a burden of proof to the non-convinced. They are so checkmated by not being able to meet their burden of proof, their only recourse was to invent a scenario to try and make it a stalemate. It's such a pathetic grasping of straws that I can only respond with I ain't fallin' for no banana in the tailpipe lol. That's the level of respect that argument begs.
@@Petter_Flemberg He is, and has frequently called to this show and others. It doesn't matter what his alleged topic seems to be about, it's always a preamble that eventually leads to presup nonsense. Whenever he was asked why there's an exception to the validity of non acceptance (either way) for the existence of God, he says "because it doesn't make sense to do so IF we're going to conceive of God as the ultimate meta physical grounds for things". These boring twerps always dance around the glaring problem that this isn't an axiom, but that he just defines God that way and even starts of by saying "IF". Then when you probe this presup crap further, as to how we KNOW this proposed God is the "ultimate grounding" or even exists period, he dodges and plays word games before eventually just asserting that it is, usually with another worthless "if". It's so boring and played out, and yet he and the rest of the Darth Dorks insist on calling in time after time, if they're not already circle jerking on Discord. I think that the only reason they still take their calls is because the goal of the show is working (to an extent) and people are more informed and therefore don't call in because they don't believe much religious nonsense anymore, and the ones who do still believe don't bother calling in anyway or they never listened in the first place. I wish these presup wieners would just go fade away already, and the show partly gives them a reason to stick around. If they didn't have this platform to "dunk on the atheists" then they would only be on discord and other irrelevant and unwatched media, where they would probably eventually get bored when no one pays attention to them, besides each other.
@@ookeekthelibrarian He pretty much is the anointed successor at this point. He needs to work on being more insufferable and cutting people off before they're able to get a full sentence out, but otherwise, he's showing great potential!
@@Apanblod Nah. Robin lacks the -assertiveness- aggressiveness necessary to "properly" deliver presuppositional apologetics. No amount of work is going to get him to the level of boorishness required for the job. You either got "it" or you don't and Robin ain't got it.
I love how MIKE was so full of himself that he didn't even know he was making an ass out of himself. He clearly fails to understand even the basics of science, logic and reason. Classic Dunning Kruger.
@@megaatheistsdestroyermad4644 holy cow!! MAD!! Did you think that up all by yourself? It’s a casual simile but with absolutely no inherent comedic quality whatsoever outside of the unintended irony! Or WAS it intended……??? Hmmmmmmm… Lol
@@49perfectss That's exactly the impression got! In Mike's visualisation of how the call would go Matt was blown away by his totally orginal arguements and articulation, so the guy had already placed himself on a pedestal before the call. I'm surprised Matt didn't laugh at the suggestion of him sharing a stage with that guy at a university talk. Delusional or what lol.
Isn't Robin begging the question by claiming god is a metaphysical framework, therefore you need to believe in him or you will not have a metaphysical framework? I mean, a god that doesn't consistently communicate personally nor clearly, how can that be a framework for anything. Isn't that building a house upon a shaky foundation that is bound to collapse?
Sort of. My understanding of the presuppositional argument ( a la Mike/Robin/Steven) is as follows: The correspondence theory of truth, which is the cornerstone of traditional epistemology, is the claim that human experience/perception/language is in some kind of "relationship" with a non-human, third-party other thing called "reality." But we don't actually "know" that we can "correspond to reality," we just assume that we do, because it seems to work well enough and, to put it bluntly, is just "obvious." Never-the-less, its still just an assumption, i.e. a metaphysical "framework" upon which we "build" our "knowledge." The theist asks, "What explains our ability to "correspond" to reality?" And then answers with, "ONLY god can explain this ability (this is what Mike meant by "a mind can only correspond to a mind," for example). For people making this argument, its impossible NOT to be theist, because there is no other explanation for the correspondence theory of truth. That is not to say I agree with that argument, but at least I understand it because I acknowledge that the correspondence theory of truth is a metaphysical assumption without any explanation beyond our experience that it seems to work. As such, as long as the correspondence theory of truth is the default epistemology, even for atheists, then the presuppositional argument will not go away. Which is why, in my opinion, we should abandon the correspondence theory of truth.
Isn't Robin a Darth Dawkins clone? Sounds like the script and I'm pretty sure he's called in before with the Darth dialogue tree. It attempts to push you towards a singular "ultimate". Without this singular ultimate (which must be the Christian god) you're incoherent because everything you say is baseless. It starts with the causal chain and then special pleads the beginning to that chain. Then it assumes you must know what the beginning is in order to have any coherent thoughts. "I don't know" is a win to them, anything else is dodging or a non-answer.
@@idahogie it was probably a lot easier to be a dishonest used car salesman before we had means of sharing public reviews. Likewise, it was a lot easier to pedal religion when opposing views were easier to keep out of the congregation.
Matt, been a fan for years, but just want to make a particular comment to thank you for stopping Tate from using that slur. You do great things for this world, I can't thank you enough.
JAKE, UK: My parents tried to indoctrinate me as a JW... and failed. The question for your Aunt & Uncle is this: "Do you want a relationship with me... or do you just want to be right?" Bang! The ball is fairly & squarely in their court! It puts the onus of the "shunning" teaching on THEM!
Mike just wants to lecture. And he's one of the fastest talking fluff salesman I have ever heard. His speech was extremely pressured. Reminds me of the Gish Gallop. Dammit, Matt said it just as I was typing it.
Although Mike was wrong on that point... I have to commend him for being the only person in my recollection to cause me to decrease the 2x video speed on the VOD.
@@elliot7205 it must purport to evidence and reason. For instance it can't be a non existent thing, that is illogical unreasonable fallacious and ridiculous. Yet this is all I hear from theists! What the hell gives? If we can show that each and every theist's beliefs are insufficient to believe in a God, then of course they shouldn't believe. That's the negative part that we always hear from theists. A positive area would be: evidence and reason, the very thing all theists seem to lack! Poor methods include: Emotions, especially misplaced love and irrational fears. Testimonies, especially stories of morbid death. Faith, since faith can be used to believe in contradictory claimed God's, then we worked out it's a bad method. They just know, that's merely another claim, how do they know? Then you get the ridiculous written on hearts and look at the trees! And finally we have Christains who say it's because of ME? Seems they believe because you you you atheists... How odd. The only reason why we don't burst out with laughter when listening to their utter nonsense, is because clearly they really do believe in something that they shouldn't. I so wish a real Christain or any theist would finally provide me the reason for their belief. A reason that's not pathetic and shameful. Does that help?
@@kimsland999 thank you for admitting you do not posses any objective criteria and I agree faith is irrational and cannot be a criteria. What evidence will you accept that there is a creator? Will the creator come in the form of elvis Presley or marilyn monroe? What will you accept? I have no issue providing evidence for a creator to you as an individual I have assessed all the writings that claim to be from a creator and established evidentially the veracity of the quran and the existence of the creator. If you can answer my questions we will take it forward..
If consciousness can't be achieved through natural means, how does the supernatural do it? How does a soul absorb external data and process it? The god-soul hypothesis is just avoiding the problem. It answers nothing.
yeah exactly ! This concept, like must religion in general, has no explanatory power at all as Matt like to say. It has no explanatory power unlike science. A lot of people seems to think they can get to the truth of something very important as proving god or consciousness with only a logical and philosophical concept that is at best only valid. The soundness of one of their premise is the problem most of the time. Many philosophical arguments, thought experiments, paradoxes are logical and make sense but are not sound. If there is nothing detectable about their claims, if their nothing to work with, no evidence, then we are only talking about interesting philosophical concept but certainly not about reality or the truth. A wise man proportion his belief to the evidence - d.h.
23:15 = World class, high talented, practiced word salad. The way he so smoothly executes nonsensical characteristics of random eastern religion is unmatched even Jordan Peterson......even by....dare I say?......DEEPAK CHOPRA?!?
In fairness to Chopra, his rhetorical style is the opposite of Mike's eighty-words-per-breath approach. Chopra's word salads are at least delivered in cadences that resemble standard human speech and mentorship.
@@jamesparson Lol, nice quote, looks very legit. I once searched for actual Chopra's quotes and then generated fake quotes from that generator. Then I submitted all of them to some Chopra fans (in some Facebook group) and asked them to figure out the real ones from the fake ones. Needless to say, never got an answer...
Mike produced not only a word salad but a veritable verbal buffet. I have never heard so many unconnected words strung together in one rant. He may as well have sat there and just read the dictionary.
Mike: Gish Gallop 50 esoteric points. Drop 10 scholar names and 5 theories. Recompile all of Science. Half way through Matt's reaction to #1 of the 50, interrupt him, asking to address the point he just made.
He's so stubborn isn't he? How pathetic is that? Doesn't the fact that he tires so much show that god isn't real? Imagine we have to try so hard to demonstrate that the sky is blue by making up really complicated concepts in order to arrive at the conclusion that the sky is blue lol
Why is "I don't know" such a difficult concept for theists to grasp? Why is it so hard for them to grasp that their particular definition of what God is the only way to accept or reject the proposition that there is a god? "Everyone" cannot, by definition, "have the metaphysical framework that they're operating under." All it takes is one person to deny that the render the proposition impossible.
Have you assessed all the relevant evidence in relation to a creator to arrive at that conclusion? To ask what god is indicates you need an external yardstick to establish the truth of that.
Well they tend to be trained from youths to think their particular flavor of religion has all the answers. Frankly it’s essentially a form of pride. That’s why when you point out how their “answers” depend on circular logic or are just plain false they get upset. The idea that someone can say “I don’t know” comfortably is an insult to them because they really do think they have answers.
They have been falsely instructed that science is at its limit in knowledge. Therefore if science cannot (supposedly ever) answer the question, then it just must be supernatural. On top of this is their false instruction their particular claimed God knows all. The other more important faulty reasoning by theists, is the common instinctive part about human minds, who (use to, not now we control our instincts) who will make up an answer to fit, if no answer is immediately available. We have overcome these limitations long ago, these days saying: I don't know what that was? Is quite reasonable. Think of theists still being very backward with basic human concepts. Theists are quite embarrassing and shameful when you think about it.
@@elliot7205 I have a right to state they have been falsely instructed (etc) until any theist supplies evidence of their claimed God. Since NO evidence, then the default MUST be they are falsely instructed. Correct? Yes correct.
JOKE. A JW knocks on the door of an old ladies house. She tells him to come in, sits him down and offers him scones and a cup of tea. She then says now what did you want to talk about? He replies nervously, “I don’t know, I’ve never got this far before.”
@@rickyd.989 The JWs don't come around here any more. Damn! I was so polite the last time and never once used a naughty word! However, I did make the elderly wife flee back to the car just by quoting the bible at her... She didn't like the description of Lot and his two daughters after Sodom and Gomorrah. Oh well... PS> *Sodom Today!! Gomorrah, The WORLD!*
I was a "Pagan" for about five years. What I found while I was in the community is that there is literally no decent outline of what paganism is. For me it was just a cool quirky aesthetic metaphor like Andrew described. I grew out of it and realized that I was just trying to hold on to the comfort I got from spirituality. However, my biological dad genuinely believes that a spirit being named Thor watches over him, he's never been able to demonstrate why though
That would explain why ( according to the Bible) he flooded the planet so he could watch the people drown instead of just erasing the sinners from existence. Or maybe he's just an idiot.
Whoa... was Mike that guy that used to make Micro Machine commercials? LOL. He talks SO god damn fast! Let me see if I can talk like that. Here goes: "HiIcalledintotalkandtalkandtalkandsaylotsofthingswithoutbreathingandtoannoyingMatt". How'd I do? lol 🤣
1:17:46 Arden so politely pointing out Episcopal church phoniness (& reality ) to a caller who seems to, at least momentarily, actually see the edge of his beliefs. For me this is history since it happens so rarely. Not Ardens politeness, the theist caller glimpsing some reality.
Arden's microexpressions are friggin gold. Mike, she made more communicative coherent sense with a twitch of a facial muscle than your whole argument. Lol.
00:00 Intro
1:18 Jake-(CA) | Sins of the Father
11:38 Andrew-NY | Pegged Ya for a Pagan
22:38 Mike-TX | A Fast-Talkin’ High-Minded Case for a God
37:50 Robin-DC | Picking Sides about Truth Claims
53:07 Steven-WA | Truth with a Very Small T
1:21:15 LaRue-IL | Karma or God?
1:27:17 Tate-AZ | Minds and Morality
1:32:08 Charles-(CA) | What Counts as Evidence?
1:34:44 Jake-(UK) | Family Boundaries
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Mike has called in several times over the years, each time trying to bait Matt into a "formal debate." Mike thinks he's a master baiter, unfortunately for him, he's just been left playing with himself!
Bruh 👏🏾
Prize Wanker no doubt !
“The servant waits…while the master baits.”
Buh dum tiss
And Matt has debated so many people be might as well call himself a mass debater!
“A Gish Gallop of irrelevancies”: Matt’s characterization of Mike’s tsunami of nonsense. Brilliant.
I actually yelled DONT GISH GALLOP!!! and I was surprised at how matt was so charitable lol
What strikes me is, most of the gods were invented by bronze age men. Most likely men, not women. I doubt those men were high brow. The priests were just plain delighted the peasents were giving them a share of their crop 😂😂
!!!!!!! I CURE ATHEISM !!!!!!!!!!!!
@@Catheadkisser Thats nice 👍. Must be a big smokehouse to fit us all in. I think your non existant god prefers BBQ, but sure, kippered aethiests will sell well in the bible belt. Aethiest meat jerky 😂😂.
@@TheScotsalan
**In my best Homer voice** “Ummm.. cured atheist jerky.” 🤤
Mike is definitely the smartest person in the room. Since no one else wants to be around him, he's the smartest by default.
Ha
I had to laugh when Matt said about Mike “Try decaf for a start” because only minutes earlier I said to my partner that Mike needs to stop drinking raspberry cordial.
He's been in the basement all morning chewing on coca leaves
I don't trust anyone that refuses to go through an argument 1 point at a time.
What? Why wouldn’t you let me read my 800 page manifesto before letting you respond?
Mike is the most humble guy I've ever heard speak. I'm pretty sure he'd let you know he's the most humble person he's ever known...
There's this new thing called sarcasm, @august opus. All the kids are doing it.
I, too, am extraordinarily humble
Mike "you've never talked to anyone on my level". Yes I have Mike it's called teenager's.
I think he's right. Most callers know more and make their case better than Mike.
No, this is some middleaged guy on speed. Teenagers can be reasoned with and rarely think they are more intelligent than they are.
@@michaelmay5453 It depends on the teenager. If you are a teenager or young adult and just learned something mind-blowing to you, suddenly some think they know more than everyone else.
@@Paranitis Apparently you have different teenagers over there, that might be because you abuse them legally as children.
Robin: I know that.
The narrator: Robin, did in fact, NOT know that.
Oh boy is Robin back? Wonderful.
Nice one.
First we get Mr. Batman, who is an imbecile. Now we get Robin, who is a moron. All we need now is a clueless Joker to show up for the trifecta of stupidity.
kudos to Matt and Arden for being able to disrupt Steven's mindless adherence to Christianity and give him actual food for thought.
Mike is just Jordan Peterson after slamming eight Red Bulls, with a 5-Hour Energy chaser after each one. I was worried that he was going to vibrate into another dimension at some point.
I’m pretty sure Mike called a few years ago, because he asked about setting up a debate before and Matt eventually told him fuck off and he wouldn’t debate him.
Along with some really interesting succulents and a fist full of diazepam
@@nicklord7866 He did sound like that guy. If it was, it also didn't sound like he's learned anything in that time.
Thiests can be coke heads too.
I pictured him spinning in a circle while getting smaller yelling, "Nooooooo!"
I wish all believers were like Steven, honest, humble, thoughtful. Kudos to Steven. Mike, who is so full of himself, has yet a lot to learn.
Hilarious that Mike thinks he's "on Matt's level" and that they should have a conversation "in front of a University." He talks quickly and throws out citations but doesn't ever actually say anything substantive, yet thinks that he's some kind of genius.
The Dunning Kruger effect in brilliant technicolor.
It was funny af 🤣
The guys ego "I'm so smart" lol
Matt is dating Arden? Didn't realize matt is gay. Kudos to him
@@Matt-zv4jp Hmm I didn't realize it was gay for guys to date girls
Bravo Steven!!! Rarely we see such an honest person here. We saw the inner workings of many believers: there's no rationale to believe, but I stay because I can't leave the good community behind. Wish more people would be this honest with themselves!
TEAM STEVEN !!
Gave me chills down my spine in a good way. Did I just witness someone about to deconvert?
@@stevenjohnson1409 Possibly. Maybe he reaches out one day telling us his deconversion story.
There isn’t a single person who I have a personal relationship with that I cannot introduce you too. That quote hit it for me.
@august opus Eh, likely a typo. My phone does it all the time. It is very annoying.
There isn’t even a single person, place, or thing that I have a personal relationship with that I cannot introduce someone to
Arden's description of listening to Mike being like watching a toddler run around was spot on.
She will soon experience that metaphor first hand when she bears Matt a darling little transgendered child.
@@josephpaul4548 not how it works
@@cookie5535 Like begets like. That's basic biology.
Whether or not Mike was actually making sense, huuuuuuuuuuge props to Matt for being able to actually keep up and address it
Ah Mike, the *humble* theist.
Ahh yes the mythical humble theist, I hear maybe some exist in Buddhism.
Mike sure is high-minded. High on me.
Lol. Is there any other kind ?
@@God-ld6ll Impressive name. I understand it's irrelevant god but so many people would pay for that RUclips title. All powerful, whatever, just think about it. I have a business proposal I think you could get behind. Personal experience me!
@@coreymiller6717 _"Personal experience me!"_
*snort*
The discussion with Steven was well conducted and was an enjoyable one to experience. Thank you all.
Mike is also building a strawman out of the theory of everything, which is not science
I love they way he brags about his genius. He's finally the person on Matt's level. Yet doesn't even understand science.
I think I remember Einstein referring to a theory of everything when asked by a reporter what he was working on, long ago.
I thought it was a tongue in cheek kind of reference to his being busy and not wanting to delve into details he knew were difficult to understand, especially by a non physicist/mathematician, but I could be mistaken.
That conversation with Steve was one of my favorite calls of all time and I have been a fan for years. I could hear the gears turning in his head.😁 Not to mention the fact that he seems like a good dude, he was having honest discourse and was actually thinking about what was being discussed. I wish way more calls went this way. Awsome episode today. Nicely done.
If I was allergic to smug, putrid arrogance; Mike would have killed me with his call.
I almost intentionally drove into a light pole during his call.
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@@Catheadkisser ok
@@Catheadkisser your mom
@@Catheadkisser critical thinking is not an infection or disease.
I think logic should be a required subject in high school and logical fallacies should be studied and pointed out and talked about.
I had several classes in logic from 6-12th grades. I don’t think it’s taught anymore. I agree with you. It should be mandatory.
Some people think that just because you can come up with a connection between two things, that's "logic".
I had an excellent philosophy and logic course at UConn, and it helped my get clarity on a lot of stuff I had kinda known intuitively, but couldn't clearly define. I read a textbook on fallacies about 5 times and it was like having my eyes opened.
About fast-talking Mike:
"...you deserve to communicate with a theist at my level"?
What awful nonsense. I know narcissistic personality disorder when I see it.
I can understand why they didn't, but I'd have hung up right there.
Acute narcissist.
Mike = typical theist that has no problem with an inflated ego.
Yeah it was clear right off the bat how terrible the argument was going to be when he is that impressed by his own mind lol
Matt, never leave the show. I enjoy each of the hosts and guest hosts since I began watching, but I began watching the videos because of you. Your command of logic and rhetoric and your own razor sharp reasoning are a master class in debate and applied logic. Im enjoying the learning on many subjects.
Didn’t work out for you
You are both lucky to have each other in your lives. Really enjoyed the show. Sorry to hear Shannon has had a bereavement. Hope she is around people who will support her.
Robin, stop calling. Stick to fanboying Darth Dawkins on discord. You’re out of your league.
He has Darth's shit on his nose!
Robin follows Darth and even says what Darth told him to say. But Robin is just bad. He always tries to lead them to ultimate. But Everytime he calls, his setup starts with things that aren't part of his argument in order to lead them into it. Most of the time, his call never gets to his argument because they argue about errors or terms that ultimately aren't needed for his argument.
He's not smart enough to go around those things. He just bad at it
I appreciate that Matt refuses to let JRobin run his script. Curious to know if JRobin ran right back to Darth's room to talk about how he owned Matt? If so, "Did you get that Tom Rabbittt?"
@@markvonwisco7369 They normally have a chat open telling them what to say. Some of them have mechanical keyboards and you can actually hear them typing.
I couldn't believe he called again. How many times has it been now? He needs another hobby
"there are levels of theist"
No there aren't Mike, you may consider yourself a level 100 warlock Mastermind theist but everyone who believes in a god of some sort is a theist, there are no levels.
There are levels of intelligence, and your level of intelligence is not as high as you may want to believe.
atheism is the highest form of intelligence! Doesn't everyone know that?lol
@@timsmith530 I guess you must be a high-level atheist to have said that.
His level is immaterial, what's important is whether he's geared for heroics.
@@TBomb39 Atheists are much more aware of reality in general. Theists are inherently dishonest since most of them reject facts, science and reality with respect to the Bible and their belief in their god. And they dishonestly use every tactic to avoid accepting the truth.
Santa has a list, checks it twice, and will find out if you have been naughty or nice. Be good for goodness sake.
Mike is too busy stumbling over the rocks he keeps throwing in his own path
Mike is so convinced he is not only a genius, but incapable of being wrong.
In addition, his breakdown of methodological naturalism takes an unjustified leap to a mind. Classic fail.
The Dunning Kruger effect.
No-one is more confident of their intelligence than the idiot.
Because, essentially, we don't know what we don't know. So the person who actually understands very little is convinced that they know everything, as they have no idea just how much they have yet to learn.
But the intelligent studied person looks at the vast wealth of things that they know, they half-know, they know that no-one actually knows, etc. and realises that, for sure, you've got to be humble in the face of such vast knowledge that no single person could ever possibly fully understand in all its myriad aspects. They see "the size of the universe" in their chosen field, and realise that it's beyond any person's abilities to completely know it all.
The more you know - about any subject - the more you come to realise that, in fact, no-one really knows all that much.
Dig down into any subject and what you usually find, at the bottom of it all, is experts arguing over the very definitions of their subject. Like biologists arguing "what is the definition of life anyway?". Philosophers arguing over whether anything can have any meaning at all (e.g. Nihilism). Or physicists with myriad questions, which you'd think were very basic, such as "what is time?", "what is motion?", etc..
So, the more you know, the more you realise that, mostly, no-one knows much of anything on any subject, in fact. And so the true experts, who know the most, actually realise that they should not have confidence that they know much of anything or that what they do know is all that sound.
Because you can look back on past practitioners of your field and then pick apart everything they did wrong - doctors sawing off legs with rusty saws, Newton "missed a bit" when it came to time that Einstein had to add, how Lemarkian evolution has no inheritance mechanism, etc. - to be quite, quite sure that you are almost certainly also making such horrid mistakes right now, that future practitioners are going to look back on and think "damn, what were they thinking?".
The more you know, the less confidence you have that you really know anything.
So, with noted irony, no-one is more confident of their intelligence than the idiot who has little, and no-one is more doubting that they know anything at all than the world's greatest expert.
Hence, the Dunning Kruger effect.
Namely, unintelligent people rate themselves as more intelligent than they are, and intelligent people rate themselves as less intelligent than they are (and in the experiments that demonstrate this, the effect is more or less proportional too - the biggest idiots overrate themselves the most, and the smartest people there are underrate themselves drastically).
And, thus, if you have any wisdom about you, then default to doubting anyone who displays just that bit too much confidence that they won't back down to listen to someone else. The most intelligent people know to never silence criticism, as that's how you find out when you genuinely have got it wrong... and the more you know, the more sure you become that, yes, you genuinely have got it wrong somewhere.
Of course you have. The question is not "have I got it wrong?", the question is "where have I got it wrong?". Because you definitely have got it wrong somewhere. But, well, "we don't know what we don't know", so locating where the problem actually is, is the hardest question of all. But you've inevitably got something wrong somewhere. We all have.
This is why science proves so successful, as it makes that base assumption of doubt. Start by assuming you know absolutely nothing and then, piece by piece, prove to yourself that you actually know anything. That might sound unproductive, but the reverse is true, as nothing has been more pragmatically productive than science and its resulting technologies ever in the history of everything.
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@@Catheadkisser - There are no new arguments for a God. They've all been thoroughly debunked for decades - centuries. If you think you have a valid argument - google it - you'll find plenty of reasoned rebuttals. An aspect of a valid methodology includes trying to prove yourself wrong - try it.
@@Catheadkisser how?
@Joe Daddy Sorry Joe. Those so-called "arguments" are all variations of special pleading and therefore self-defeating. So it seems your "blabbering" of "irrelevancies" is projection on your part. Or textbook DK.
Now watch carefully as the gaslighting troll dissembles and moves the goalposts.
Mike is a guy you could buy for what he's actually worth, and sell for what he thinks he's worth, and have enough to retire on.
I believe this show has introduced me to some of the most honest people ever.
Stop using meth .
Steven's call was awesome. . . refreshing to have an honest theist. . .the mike drop moment comes at the 1:15:00 mark mwhen matt poses the dichotomy that shakes steve to his core. . . MUST SEE. . .and I will use that with a friend.
totally agree...
That was a good one to hear. I don't think I have heard Matt stump someone so hard.
@@jamesparson If more of them had Steven's courage to actually thoughtfully consider the questions Matt (and other hosts) put to them, more of them would be stumped. Most of them avoid being stumped by ignoring the dilemma they're being presented, and reassert their comfortable, dearly held position, refusing to entertain anything else. Steven's courage and honesty is a breath of fresh air!
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@@Catheadkisser Lovely self-aggrandising imagination you've got there, bub! Got an actual grasp on reality too?... You haven't? I didn't think you could. Thanks for the laughter you've provided, though! 🤣
Mike is the smartest guy in his own room, when he's alone.
If you thought you actually said something here, I think that your observation would remain true with you in the room as well.
Im not gonna erase this, because I like to practice humility, but I thought your comment said "Matt" not "Mike" soo...
@@Ryattt81 so you are apologizing?
@@adamgrimsley2900 I upticked it before your I saw your reply Adam as I thought it said it all and was a perfect response to the first post Whovian made.
@@Ryattt81 Best example, and I don't come across many, of perfect humility. I'd love to sit and have a 🍻 or two with you Whovian :)
I love how much Arden's face says during Mike's call 😂
So happy for Matt and Arden ❤️
🤔🤣🤣🤣
Drinking game: Drink every time you hear "metaphysical framework".
NO NO NO thats crazy.
I am losing my metaphoric substrate of my ethos listening to this
Fun fact no human can survive that game if one of the people is Jordan Peterson
The last game we had with Robin was every time he said "state of affairs". Every call he latches on to whatever talking point the discord dudes feed him.
I love you Matt and Arden. I just caught this clip. Congratulations.
Heh, no You did not "lose" Robin`s call, that was intentionally done by Robin so that he could consult Darth and his minions that was listening this call.
Yup. Robin is connecting to Darth’s discord and pretends to have phone problems whenever he’s confused.
You can find videos of this on RUclips.
Robin's whole shtick is a desperate attempt to assign a burden of proof to the non-convinced. They are so checkmated by not being able to meet their burden of proof, their only recourse was to invent a scenario to try and make it a stalemate. It's such a pathetic grasping of straws that I can only respond with I ain't fallin' for no banana in the tailpipe lol. That's the level of respect that argument begs.
I got the feeling he's a presuppositionalist. They are useless when off script!
Love the Beverly Hills Cop reference lol
I always groan when Robin from DC is taken by these shows. Robin thinks he is much smarter than he is and refuses to look at his own flawed thinking.
@@Petter_Flemberg He is, and has frequently called to this show and others. It doesn't matter what his alleged topic seems to be about, it's always a preamble that eventually leads to presup nonsense. Whenever he was asked why there's an exception to the validity of non acceptance (either way) for the existence of God, he says "because it doesn't make sense to do so IF we're going to conceive of God as the ultimate meta physical grounds for things". These boring twerps always dance around the glaring problem that this isn't an axiom, but that he just defines God that way and even starts of by saying "IF". Then when you probe this presup crap further, as to how we KNOW this proposed God is the "ultimate grounding" or even exists period, he dodges and plays word games before eventually just asserting that it is, usually with another worthless "if". It's so boring and played out, and yet he and the rest of the Darth Dorks insist on calling in time after time, if they're not already circle jerking on Discord. I think that the only reason they still take their calls is because the goal of the show is working (to an extent) and people are more informed and therefore don't call in because they don't believe much religious nonsense anymore, and the ones who do still believe don't bother calling in anyway or they never listened in the first place. I wish these presup wieners would just go fade away already, and the show partly gives them a reason to stick around. If they didn't have this platform to "dunk on the atheists" then they would only be on discord and other irrelevant and unwatched media, where they would probably eventually get bored when no one pays attention to them, besides each other.
Potato in the exhaust pipe is better for leak detection :+)
Robin is giving a live demonstration of "Special Pleading" for his god and fails miserably to shift the burden of proof.
I find him amazing. He and possibly his discord channel keeps trying new arguements for finding a true dichotomy for God
@@ookeekthelibrarian He pretty much is the anointed successor at this point. He needs to work on being more insufferable and cutting people off before they're able to get a full sentence out, but otherwise, he's showing great potential!
@@Apanblod Nah. Robin lacks the -assertiveness- aggressiveness necessary to "properly" deliver presuppositional apologetics. No amount of work is going to get him to the level of boorishness required for the job. You either got "it" or you don't and Robin ain't got it.
I appreciate Jake starting to ask "can you hear me?" Then remember he was told not to ask and move on. 10/10, can relate
“Robin” sounds like someone that got banned a while back
He called in about local and global atheism nonsense recently, i believe there were two female hosts at the time
Matt is truly the modern day Hichens. Remarkable intelligence and a fierce debater
So sad that we lost Mr. Hitchens at such a young age.
I love how MIKE was so full of himself that he didn't even know he was making an ass out of himself. He clearly fails to understand even the basics of science, logic and reason. Classic Dunning Kruger.
He comes off like someone who argued with atheists in their head and always "wins" and thinks that's how it will go in reality lol
Mike is stupid! I think that was really a computer using a random word generator that was nothing more than rancid word salad.
@@megaatheistsdestroyermad4644 holy cow!!
MAD!!
Did you think that up all by yourself? It’s a casual simile but with absolutely no inherent comedic quality whatsoever outside of the unintended irony!
Or WAS it intended……???
Hmmmmmmm…
Lol
@@megaatheistsdestroyermad4644 The cure the proof that a god exists. Keep working on that bad boy.
@@49perfectss That's exactly the impression got! In Mike's visualisation of how the call would go Matt was blown away by his totally orginal arguements and articulation, so the guy had already placed himself on a pedestal before the call. I'm surprised Matt didn't laugh at the suggestion of him sharing a stage with that guy at a university talk. Delusional or what lol.
Arden is an amazing addition. Arden's contribution to the show and perspective is so appreciated.
I don’t see how you can say that sincerely. She said almost nothing the entire episode and spent most of it making kissy faces at her webcam.
so are you calling a person that you have no clue about like myself a liar? You don't see that's ok don't call me a liar.
@@Firebrandatheist Lie less often, then.
Mike: Im not going to assert things dogmatically.
Also Mike: Proceeds to assert things fallaciously.
you two together are awesome. Peace.
Isn't Robin begging the question by claiming god is a metaphysical framework, therefore you need to believe in him or you will not have a metaphysical framework? I mean, a god that doesn't consistently communicate personally nor clearly, how can that be a framework for anything. Isn't that building a house upon a shaky foundation that is bound to collapse?
Sort of. My understanding of the presuppositional argument ( a la Mike/Robin/Steven) is as follows:
The correspondence theory of truth, which is the cornerstone of traditional epistemology, is the claim that human experience/perception/language is in some kind of "relationship" with a non-human, third-party other thing called "reality." But we don't actually "know" that we can "correspond to reality," we just assume that we do, because it seems to work well enough and, to put it bluntly, is just "obvious." Never-the-less, its still just an assumption, i.e. a metaphysical "framework" upon which we "build" our "knowledge."
The theist asks, "What explains our ability to "correspond" to reality?" And then answers with, "ONLY god can explain this ability (this is what Mike meant by "a mind can only correspond to a mind," for example). For people making this argument, its impossible NOT to be theist, because there is no other explanation for the correspondence theory of truth.
That is not to say I agree with that argument, but at least I understand it because I acknowledge that the correspondence theory of truth is a metaphysical assumption without any explanation beyond our experience that it seems to work.
As such, as long as the correspondence theory of truth is the default epistemology, even for atheists, then the presuppositional argument will not go away. Which is why, in my opinion, we should abandon the correspondence theory of truth.
Isn't Robin a Darth Dawkins clone? Sounds like the script and I'm pretty sure he's called in before with the Darth dialogue tree. It attempts to push you towards a singular "ultimate". Without this singular ultimate (which must be the Christian god) you're incoherent because everything you say is baseless.
It starts with the causal chain and then special pleads the beginning to that chain. Then it assumes you must know what the beginning is in order to have any coherent thoughts. "I don't know" is a win to them, anything else is dodging or a non-answer.
Mike is like a used car salesman
Do we know he's not?
No insult intended towards honest used car sales people.
@@idahogie it was probably a lot easier to be a dishonest used car salesman before we had means of sharing public reviews.
Likewise, it was a lot easier to pedal religion when opposing views were easier to keep out of the congregation.
Arden's lil happy sway is cute lol
He’s doing it!!
I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts Mike donates at least 20% of his income to Jordon Peterson's patreon.
😁
Unless he spent it on Ben Shapiro's "Verbal Diarrhea Debate Methods" course
Everytime I see Arden she becomes more and more gorgeous. Good for Matt
The only thing that bothers me is that he's humping somebody who looks like she's 22 years old. Kind of gross if you ask me.
@@aegisgfx lol
@@aegisgfx Yeah, an adult dating another adult? Disgusting.
Arden is so sweet to try and rescue Steven. ❤️
Well its unavoidable she is just sweet cute period. No pun
Mike is such a Dunning-Kruger paired with a condecending personality.
Matt, been a fan for years, but just want to make a particular comment to thank you for stopping Tate from using that slur. You do great things for this world, I can't thank you enough.
I think I would love to have a cup of coffee or tea with any of the hosts of this show and just chat with them
JAKE, UK:
My parents tried to indoctrinate me as a JW... and failed.
The question for your Aunt & Uncle is this:
"Do you want a relationship with me... or do you just want to be right?"
Bang! The ball is fairly & squarely in their court! It puts the onus of the "shunning" teaching on THEM!
Didn't know about Matt & Arden - good luck to you both, you make a great couple! x
I mean no offense but Matt does have a type. Same type as a lot of men, 20 year olds.
At what time is this mentioned?
@@Alby-sky Watch it and see!
@@Alby-sky the last call
Are they really dating ???
Whoa, Mike TX needs to lay off the caffeine. 🤪
You just reminded me of "Coffee guy" from MAD TV! (
He made my brain hurt, literally.
He made my b.s. meter spin so fast that it flew up and got stuck in the ceiling.
There's never a valid reason to lay off of caffeine
Mike just wants to lecture. And he's one of the fastest talking fluff salesman I have ever heard. His speech was extremely pressured. Reminds me of the Gish Gallop. Dammit, Matt said it just as I was typing it.
Fantastic show guys! nice mix of callers (though I wasn't convinced of becoming a theist)
And congrats on Matt and Arden ♥♥
Why do Americans donate so much?
Those who are most serious in their pursuit of knowledge rarely are.
@@TheFirstAtom Jesus bless you
@@rocksofi3375 If he exists, I’ll take it. As long as it’s a blessing worth accepting. Thank you.
@@TheFirstAtom
Max Planck says we exist and not exist at the same time.
Bet Mike is really fun at parties
He doesn’t get invited.
Mike seems convinced that in order to be conscious we must be conscious that we are conscious.
Although Mike was wrong on that point... I have to commend him for being the only person in my recollection to cause me to decrease the 2x video speed on the VOD.
Evidence of a God must meet the claim.
It's not good or bad, it simply needs to meet the claim.
So far no Christain has done this.
May I add: Not even close!
That argument is old and debunked! Next
What is your criteria then?
@@elliot7205 it must purport to evidence and reason.
For instance it can't be a non existent thing, that is illogical unreasonable fallacious and ridiculous. Yet this is all I hear from theists! What the hell gives?
If we can show that each and every theist's beliefs are insufficient to believe in a God, then of course they shouldn't believe.
That's the negative part that we always hear from theists.
A positive area would be: evidence and reason, the very thing all theists seem to lack!
Poor methods include:
Emotions, especially misplaced love and irrational fears.
Testimonies, especially stories of morbid death.
Faith, since faith can be used to believe in contradictory claimed God's, then we worked out it's a bad method.
They just know, that's merely another claim, how do they know?
Then you get the ridiculous written on hearts and look at the trees!
And finally we have Christains who say it's because of ME? Seems they believe because you you you atheists... How odd.
The only reason why we don't burst out with laughter when listening to their utter nonsense, is because clearly they really do believe in something that they shouldn't.
I so wish a real Christain or any theist would finally provide me the reason for their belief. A reason that's not pathetic and shameful.
Does that help?
@@kimsland999 thank you for admitting you do not posses any objective criteria and I agree faith is irrational and cannot be a criteria. What evidence will you accept that there is a creator? Will the creator come in the form of elvis Presley or marilyn monroe? What will you accept? I have no issue providing evidence for a creator to you as an individual I have assessed all the writings that claim to be from a creator and established evidentially the veracity of the quran and the existence of the creator. If you can answer my questions we will take it forward..
Mike has to hurry because he wants to make sure he tries to use every logical fallacy there is.😂
OMNG! Arden is so adorable! I can't help it. What a doll.
@@GeeZaaq And yet she manages to look like she doesn't wear much!
Mike is the word salad master of Texas.
1:27:17 Tate what a breath of fresh air. Thanks Tate much appreciated.
Take a shot every time Robin says metaphysical.
Mike is the kind of person that convinces me that no matter how much subject matter expertise I have I will never be good at debating
A brief note for Mike: Simplicity is bedfellow to truth.
If consciousness can't be achieved through natural means, how does the supernatural do it? How does a soul absorb external data and process it? The god-soul hypothesis is just avoiding the problem. It answers nothing.
yeah exactly ! This concept, like must religion in general, has no explanatory power at all as Matt like to say. It has no explanatory power unlike science. A lot of people seems to think they can get to the truth of something very important as proving god or consciousness with only a logical and philosophical concept that is at best only valid. The soundness of one of their premise is the problem most of the time. Many philosophical arguments, thought experiments, paradoxes are logical and make sense but are not sound. If there is nothing detectable about their claims, if their nothing to work with, no evidence, then we are only talking about interesting philosophical concept but certainly not about reality or the truth. A wise man proportion his belief to the evidence - d.h.
I had to skip Mike's call. The speed at which he talks was just too damn much. He needs to calm the hell down.
23:15 = World class, high talented, practiced word salad. The way he so smoothly executes nonsensical characteristics of random eastern religion is unmatched even Jordan Peterson......even by....dare I say?......DEEPAK CHOPRA?!?
There is a fake Deepak quote generator out there. I just got the following wisdom from it:
"A formless void is at the heart of the flow of reality"
In fairness to Chopra, his rhetorical style is the opposite of Mike's eighty-words-per-breath approach. Chopra's word salads are at least delivered in cadences that resemble standard human speech and mentorship.
@@jamesparson Lol, nice quote, looks very legit.
I once searched for actual Chopra's quotes and then generated fake quotes from that generator. Then I submitted all of them to some Chopra fans (in some Facebook group) and asked them to figure out the real ones from the fake ones. Needless to say, never got an answer...
@@JGM0JGM The word salad with him is strong.
@@JGM0JGM wow..
😂😂😂😂😂
That needs to be filmed!
Man
I
Know
Everything...
...Sums up Mike.
His surname is "Google"...
Wow. Shocked to hear Matt's announcement.
Mike produced not only a word salad but a veritable verbal buffet. I have never heard so many unconnected words strung together in one rant. He may as well have sat there and just read the dictionary.
😂😂
Mike: Gish Gallop 50 esoteric points. Drop 10 scholar names and 5 theories. Recompile all of Science.
Half way through Matt's reaction to #1 of the 50, interrupt him, asking to address the point he just made.
"Everything is Atheism.. with some extra steps"
- Matthew Dillahunty
Robin, just like every other call you ever made, you're wrong.
Get off of DD's script.
He's so stubborn isn't he? How pathetic is that? Doesn't the fact that he tires so much show that god isn't real? Imagine we have to try so hard to demonstrate that the sky is blue by making up really complicated concepts in order to arrive at the conclusion that the sky is blue lol
Wow Arden is adorable 😍
Mike is a perfect example of no matter how smart a theist may be, their arguments are always the same, just dressed differently.
Why is "I don't know" such a difficult concept for theists to grasp? Why is it so hard for them to grasp that their particular definition of what God is the only way to accept or reject the proposition that there is a god? "Everyone" cannot, by definition, "have the metaphysical framework that they're operating under." All it takes is one person to deny that the render the proposition impossible.
Have you assessed all the relevant evidence in relation to a creator to arrive at that conclusion? To ask what god is indicates you need an external yardstick to establish the truth of that.
Well they tend to be trained from youths to think their particular flavor of religion has all the answers. Frankly it’s essentially a form of pride. That’s why when you point out how their “answers” depend on circular logic or are just plain false they get upset. The idea that someone can say “I don’t know” comfortably is an insult to them because they really do think they have answers.
They have been falsely instructed that science is at its limit in knowledge.
Therefore if science cannot (supposedly ever) answer the question, then it just must be supernatural.
On top of this is their false instruction their particular claimed God knows all.
The other more important faulty reasoning by theists, is the common instinctive part about human minds, who (use to, not now we control our instincts) who will make up an answer to fit, if no answer is immediately available.
We have overcome these limitations long ago, these days saying: I don't know what that was? Is quite reasonable.
Think of theists still being very backward with basic human concepts. Theists are quite embarrassing and shameful when you think about it.
@@kimsland999 alot of claims and opinions there not one iota of evidence! However you are entitled to them I prefer an evidential approach.
@@elliot7205 I have a right to state they have been falsely instructed (etc) until any theist supplies evidence of their claimed God.
Since NO evidence, then the default MUST be they are falsely instructed.
Correct? Yes correct.
Mike in Texas was talking so fast I thought he was trying to sell me a time share.
Jake, email them, or join the discord. Don’t clog the show by patting yourself on the back for figuring out easy, obvious stuff
Steven's call was a breath of fresh air after Mike and JRobin's flaming bags on poop on the doorstep, LOL!
JOKE.
A JW knocks on the door of an old ladies house. She tells him to come in, sits him down and offers him scones and a cup of tea. She then says now what did you want to talk about? He replies nervously, “I don’t know, I’ve never got this far before.”
:-D
@@holgerlubotzki3469 😹
@@rickyd.989 The JWs don't come around here any more. Damn! I was so polite the last time and never once used a naughty word!
However, I did make the elderly wife flee back to the car just by quoting the bible at her... She didn't like the description of Lot and his two daughters after Sodom and Gomorrah. Oh well...
PS> *Sodom Today!! Gomorrah, The WORLD!*
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Old story. Cherry pick the lovey-dovey, and don’t want to know about the dubious stuff.
@@ookeekthelibrarian haven’t seen it mate.
Steven is one of my favorite calls.
Teacher : “can anyone in the class give me an example of the axiom ‘a little knowledge is a dangerous thing’?”
Pupil plays clip of Mike’s call
Rest of the class: Collapses amid endless peals of laughter.
Teacher to pupil: OK. You've earned that A+!
@@Jabbatic lol!
I was a "Pagan" for about five years. What I found while I was in the community is that there is literally no decent outline of what paganism is. For me it was just a cool quirky aesthetic metaphor like Andrew described. I grew out of it and realized that I was just trying to hold on to the comfort I got from spirituality. However, my biological dad genuinely believes that a spirit being named Thor watches over him, he's never been able to demonstrate why though
Even if we had a god talking to us, there is no reason to think that the god didn't just make us to torture us for entertainment.
That would explain why ( according to the Bible) he flooded the planet so he could watch the people drown instead of just erasing the sinners from existence.
Or maybe he's just an idiot.
Whoa... was Mike that guy that used to make Micro Machine commercials? LOL. He talks SO god damn fast! Let me see if I can talk like that. Here goes: "HiIcalledintotalkandtalkandtalkandsaylotsofthingswithoutbreathingandtoannoyingMatt". How'd I do? lol 🤣
Ifitsnotthetheoryofeverythingitsnottherealthing!!
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Arden so politely pointing out Episcopal church phoniness (& reality ) to a caller who seems to, at least momentarily, actually see the edge of his beliefs.
For me this is history since it happens so rarely.
Not Ardens politeness, the theist caller glimpsing some reality.
I appreciate Stevens honesty! 👍
Cool. Didn't know that Matt and Arden were dating. All the best to the two of you.
Steven sounds open to reality.
Really enjoyed your show quite eye-opening and very enlightening. Thank you you both are great.
Arden's microexpressions are friggin gold. Mike, she made more communicative coherent sense with a twitch of a facial muscle than your whole argument. Lol.
No one "should" ever be "punished" because there are better methods for behavior modification and there are better methods of restorative justice.
I had a genuine chuckle at Mike's verbal diarrhea. Really Mike? Did you think you said anything meaningful?
Pardon me but I haven't watched AE for some time.... I heard Matt and Arden are a "thing"... is this true?