No Apology, No Change, No Nothing
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- WG releases a statement, it's utterly worthless. This is a SENIOR management issue. WoWS Executive Producers are the ones you need to be looking at, not the poor CMs who have to come out and peddle this shit being directed at them from the top.
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LATEST NEWS: Wargaming will put out an apology during the Autumn Sale Event - where the apology will be made available through random loot boxes. *War Gaming will reserve the right to re-balance the apology when deemed necessary
before getting the apology from random loot box, you have to get the box from the random bundle chain, which you can try after purchasing the previous chain bundle with doubloon
Just change their name to War gambling
@@treekid7455 yes, but you only get access to the bundle chain after completing a special mission where you have to fight a Mushashi with a herring
Dont forget to get all of the apology you have to buy all the lootboxes.
@@frankysworld Please don't spread useless rumors. it is well known that these bundles will be tied to the New Zealand Battleship tech tree release :)
To put this in perspective. I just wrote a press release for a client literally this afternoon. Including research, thinking, writing, two rounds of editing, a few calls to the client for input, some tweeks from my boss, approval from my boss, final draft to the client, his edits, his approval, formatting, adding a photo and two logos (more formatting), and boom ready to go to be emailed to the media...it took less than 1 1/2 hours.
You sure you're not just really good at your job? Hehe.
@@globalforce Well, yes. Plus it's a client I really like (a quadriplegic who runs his own charity). But I'm also working on other things...and the press release wasn't a 'disaster'. PR shit like this get's top priority. It took them what, 3 days to respond officially? And the response was a non-response?
That's...bizarrely pathetic. I'd say 'fire your agency/VP' but sheesh this is their typical response...like it's company policy. No one's getting fired because they are doing what they are supposed to do. Even the nice ones. Even the ones that seem like they care. Just a different way of enforcing the same policy, imo. How many of these events have happened to WG in the past 5 years? How many times have they led to real, positive change? (hint, the answers are not infrequently and zero).
@@globalforce Oh, and thanks.
@@Ocrilat It seems like the fundamental attitude of Russian or Russia-adjacent developers is a lot less consumer friendly; I've seen this kind of attitude with companies like Eagle Dynamics (DCS developer) and I suppose one could link that with Russian approach to customer service in general, which seems to be: "I have a product or a service, you buy it and don't expect me to kowtow to your every whim."
@@globalforce Maybe. But that isn't what this is...and that isn't what they are doing here.
I've worked with Russians too...and I like their straightforwardness. They also tend to work their asses off (and when not working...play their asses off). This lazy, weaselly incompetence of WG isn't what I'm used to. They had a big success with World of Tanks. Now that is a shadow of what it was, wrecked through their incompetence and short-term thinking. They tried to make other games. Most were failures, and some were expensive failures (like World of Warplanes v. 1 and 2). World of Warships was a minor success...that they now seem determined to milk dry too.
It's a weird thing to watch, especially as a marketing/pr professional. Weird but interesting.
One of the best skills to learn in life is delayed gratification
Looking forward to iChase the Naval Architect plays Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts
Dude, that game can't come to steam fast enough.
That or Rule the Waves 2
He should look into Task Force: Admiral, and Sea Power also!
ultimate admiral dreadnaughts is even worse than wargaming they ban people from discord rooms for critisim. people like flamuu can freely rage out on internet about wg and wg does nothing. those guys they cant stand 10% of what this community says to wg
Yeah, would be nice if the price of that game wasn’t ridiculously high…
Oh that`s interesting... smaller studio these days tends to have a closer communication w/ the player base. Nice to hear.
Yeah right , until grows and become WG ... wake up .
@@cookiesupervisor2211 so are you suggesting all game developer are as bad as wg? there are tones of small studios out their making wonderful games, and big companies such as Riot aren't this bad right? give them a chance no?
@@cookiesupervisor2211 Its probably better to look at it like this. Once a game developer becomes large enough, the CC or community voices that helped at the start become less important, as the game can support and grow on its own.
At that point the important of community outreach, like CCs becomes less and less important to them from a purely monetary standpoint.
Depending on the viewpoints of the execs of the company, they may choose to continue this relationship as positively as in the start, or lessen their community contribution in favor of more and more short term monetary gains, similarly to how wargaming has done here.
I guess what I am saying is, it depends on the person or people in charge and how morally bankrupt they want to be for more monetary growth.
Both ways can make additional $$$$, but one is short term where as the other takes time to bear fruit.
@@jeffma7202 Riot has been under investigation for systemic employee abuse for the past 3 years. One of their execs told media that George Floyd deserved to die. They made a deal with Saudi torturers, then canceled the deal when it was leaked to the public. If they lose a court case in one country, they file a new one in a competing country. Riot are as bad as any of them.
@@lcmattern I have over 20k battles in wows , all lines researched , all T8,9,10 bought out , and now I buy out T7 I have 9 left , I have total 43 T10 + special
I sunk 8 ships in one battle on Musashi , I earned solo warrior on Richelieu , I shoot down 80 planes on Salem , I got 4864 base xp on Benham , I sunk 7 ships on Clemson , I have been called cancer after I burn 6 ships in one game in Smolensk , I ranked out few times , yes WG is shity company , but WOWS is just mighty fine game I have invested 3 years of my life playing it , and I wont stop it , and I dont have time for some other game , I am 37 and I am just too old and lazy to do so , I am so lazy I will retire at age of 40 buy home in Spain and whole days do nothing at all , and best is I have spend 2$ on wows to buy out Cossac , WG wont see any $$$ and any other game I will play will be single player CP2077 when alfa testing will end , of GTA6,TES6,Fallout5 ...
Cant wait to jump into this new naval project, if only to spite WG.
Im super excited for a new naval warfare game, if it's good an alot of the ex-CCs cover and play it, then hopefully it will succeed
If it´s good and fun to play like WOWs used to be, hell yes I will be switching over!
@@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken I honestly think alot of people will be interested in the game with the current state of the game. Especially if they have on the roadmap plans for ranked or something more competitive
@@denchief114 This is honestly a good time for an alternative game to come out. People are looking. Steel Ocean was a good game when it was alive and it had subs which were well balanced and fun to play, so they can work. I pray for the day Navyfield 3 is announced, but that is a pipe dream as far as that is concerned.
Hopefully Little White Mouse, Flamu, Jingles, etc helps out with this project as well. Especially LWM! She was one of the most helpful in the entire CC community also, plus she also deserves better.
@@SeraphoftheRoundTable how did subs work? Can they dive? Guns?
Holy smokes, this makes EA looks like a saint man.
Or Activision
Hell, even gaijin isn't this bad.
@@m0nkEz gaijin in linbo for now lol
Both are shit. The only good thing that EA did recently was it's partnership with Petroglyph Games (former Westwood Studios employees) to do the Remaster of Command & Conquer and Red Alert. The other being BF:1. WG, EA, Gaijin, Ubisoft, Activision, Blizzard, etc (AAA developers in general) I steer clear from as everything they make is $*** these days. Not to mention greedy lootboxes and microtransactions
@@soto1649 I am done with War Thunder as well as the grind has become boring and a chore and it takes the fun out of the game. For flight games, I just dust off il-2: 1946, load my mods and have a blast.
5:12
There's a secret predatory monetization tactic here as well.
Missouri will be on the Premium Shop, and not Armory.
What does that mean? You can't get her directly with doubloons, you need cash. Now, remember how Distant Voyages event forced you to buy doubloons if you wanted tokens? Yeah, if you got those bundles, you can't buy Missouri with them without gambling. Not being in the armory or for doubloons also mean there's no 25% discount coupon.
All I can do is clap. In a shithole this deep, WG still tries to fuck their customers in the ass.
Someone said is a free game?
Or a thinking mans
This broke me. I am never going to spend another penny to this game.
"WG still tries to fuck their customers in the ass" Nopenope, no. WG IS f*cking you/us in the ass we just have to pretend it's not happening.
@@mkl21bis You can stop spending money.
@@clashman7564 Who says i haven't stop spending?
activision blizzard does a better job and thats saying something
man I was thinking the same thing ...
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I went in expecting nothing and somehow came out with an even worse experience. I think I lost a few braincells picking through the utter garbage of this statement. If you asked a 10 year old to write an apology statement I guarantee you that 10 year old would wipe the floor with WG.
Ye know the best thing to aim for in customer service is "always aim to exceed the customers expectations" I don't think WG quite got that it's the POSITIVE expectations to aim for 😂
To quote Jungles: “We set the bar low, then Wargaming brought a shovel”
As expected, WG does not care about anything else but the bottom line. They've lost me as a customer a few years ago and I'm not going to spend even a cent on them ever again
Totally agree and I did the same last year.
Not even that: they seem to care only for the short term bottom line. People seem to be abandoning the game, WoT especially (maybe the russian player base keeps growing but who knows?) but WG doesn't seem to care. All they do is plonk more premiums on the cash shop and do changes nobody asks for (maybe except some accountant in their basement). I guess they reached that phase were all they can think about is how to sqeaze every last cent out of the existing players.
I spent 500 dollars on this game in total prior to the CV rework and I felt like I might as well have thrown all that money over the cliff and into the ocean.
I believe everyone was expecting another disaster coming from WG, but they always manage to surprise us in their never ending stupidity.
WG is rapidly becoming one of the worst gaming companies out there. It is almost as their goal is to become EA.
It's not stupid, just evil. This apology doesn't suck because they're incompetent (although they are incompetent), it sucks because they honestly don't care about the people they're apologizing to. The cc program has served its purpose and now it's time to move on for them.
They are beyond EA at this point.
They are beyond EA now.......at least EA learn something .......
@@RequiemGamingLikeR LOL no they aren't. EA charges you 60 dollars per year, resets your progress every year, game is basically an Alpha with the game breaking bugs and EVERYTHING is behind a lootbox. Not just "premium" players but EVERY player in FUT or MUT. Also, they have a LEGAL monopoly on FIFA and NFL licenses so a competitor CAN'T be made.
WG isn't even 10% as bad as EA or Ubisoft or Activision/Blizzard.
You know its WG when you go in with low expectations and they STILL disappoint you.
Even if you bury the bar, they will come up with an elaborate vodka-fueled way to tunnel under the bar.
I dont know man, butt I am finding Jingles's explanation a really good one. Even if you all voted with your wallets, they just dont care about you (I quit the game at least a year ago) WG already milked you all! You are no longer the target group, the new players are. The new cows for milking.
They have committed themselves to appeal to Normies.
But you know a funny thing about Normies.
Once a new fad comes around the corner all the Normies will leave and Wargaming will start wondering what happened to their core players.
Worked fine for Blizzard right?
exactly
@@legiran9564 Let it happen. They can lay in the bed they made when it's too late.
It's like the disloyal boyfriend meme. WG checking out the new players while the veteran players are actively ignored.
Wargaming's response to the Missouri: "Pay wall not enough! Now we must put it behind a grind wall! Make them use specific ships they might not own, so now they have to spend credits and free xp AND real money! Oh, and drag it out for a week... Make them get anxious, try to push them towards the loot crates. That should make them happy, right?" Utterly shit, Wargaming. Pure. Unadulterated. SHIT.
whats worse is that if you didnt care about buying it and you complete the campaign, you are gonna wanna buy it because you worked hard and unlocked the ability to buy it
There was also something about the Musashi, in the auction from the armory, it was an auction and few could win her, but there was a really big catch and big money to pay to just try you hands at it, the amount was 20 000 Doubloons at minimal,
I did some counting about how much money could mean for 20 000 Doubloons, it was crazy, 20 000 Doubloons is worth 100 $$ ( Canadian currency, but that's only because I'm in Canada, don't ask me about how much it'd mean for Euro or any other currency ) and the amount was only to start, naturally since it's an auction it'd rise and get all the more expensive...
Screw that I thought, no way I'm paying that much for just a ship in a computer video game,
Now they're trying out that Azur Lane event all over again, thing is that I don't give an ass for something like that, I'm not even interested in this one....
I only stopped spending money on this game for years now but I still take my premium ships from the Armory, nothing else, the ships there might not be the best but at least they're around and since I'm a coop player, it's not that bad...
Besides, when it comes to those auction thing, I only take the coal bundle and ignoring the rest...
And get this, I've even been invited to their new batch of CC, but I don't see myself as working for that company and I don't want to be involved with this circus as one of their clowns...
Naturally, it means that I said no...
WG might be getting desperate for the money if they invited the likes of me, I don't do it for a career nor an income and I still have some self-respect...
Still playing but not buying a single kopeck, but If there are some ships in the armory, then fine, coal is ok but not my money....
I just had to mention this....
@@Black-Rat 100USD gets you 30k doubloons here in the States, just for reference. So 20,000 doubloons is around the price of a tier 9 premium.
Hey iChase, just wanted to say thanks for making wows content over the years and being apart of why I started playing wows in the first place. Unfortunately the company is turning into EA. I am also looking for other navel games and I can't wait for you to make content on Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts. Cheers
Like you and Jingles said, we aren't the player base they're 'catering' to anymore, and honestly they probably looking at this as a good way to just shutter the CC program after the firestorm dies down, which it probably will no matter what.
Why shutter the program,when you can fill the empty space with shills that will cater to their new demographic,and also push around the people that are still on the program because they're too small to go fully independent?
@@redstar96gr57 They cater to people who suck. Who's gonna watch a stream if they just suck the whole time.
@@TotalDbag24 they don't have to get *streamers* on the CC program,they can just get dedicated RUclipsrs,it's not like all the CCs streamed WoWs
While Jingles is very likely correct in this assessment, this shitstorm seems to be large enough to get the attention of the regular media. This is something that WG should be pretty afraid of.
The reason for this is, that
1. Loot-boxes in games are already being investigated in several European countries
2. When regular media reports about WG's predatory monetization (for a game rated 7+, no less), regular people hear about it.
3. When regular people (and especially parents, most of which are usually pretty clueless about what their kids play) hear about this, they might rise a bit of a stink and if regular people rise a stink, politicians might notice it (and there are elections over here in Germany rather soon) and might get involved, if only to score some points with the public.
4. This could speed up the legislative process considerably - and the last thing WG wants, is having their games declared 18+ in Europe.
@@EllenbergW Really hope your right, but, until they're called on the carpet by a regulatory body and can not weasel out of it by saying they're not 'loot boxes' they're 'random bundles' like how EA tried to squirm out by saying 'oh its not gambling, tis surprise mechanics!' nothing will change because honestly the vast majority of the player base these days don't keep up with anything beyond WG's news portal anything that happens outside of that probably isn't going to happen for them. its going to take Governments to step in and slap them hard for them to get it through their heads
loot boxes are just that damned lucrative and companies are not moral to begin with. sure, get kids and vets addicted to your game's gambling mechanic, what of it, the only consequence (currently) is they get more money from people unable to help themselves.
Can't wait for you to release info about that new game. I wouldn't mind a studio doing sort of "Age of Sail" and "Age of Steam" naval games to show WG how its done properly!
I know a new naval game is coming but i don't know if it is the same ichase talks about, the name as of now is FoS "Fleet of Steel" and there are info about the new game in steel of ocean's discord server
@@IsaNyaaa Interesting? So that's the name? No reveal trailer at all yet? Is it done by the same devs as Steel Ocean?
You'd get a better apology after a BP oil spill
"We are sorry you feel that way. Anyways buy our new ship lol"
Usually it's hard to follow creators when they change games around.. but I'll do what I can to make sure the new games you play are supported.
I don't want any creator that fell into WG's predatory ways to come out with less than they had before.
Not another dime for Wargaming!
Not another dime AND no more of my time.
The apology is to pay full price for the new reduced profit ship
WG- I'm getting all the money I can get from you!
User- No way!
WG- Hmm... give me your money now!
User- NO!
WG- Can I take your money?
User- WTF!
WG- I got it! How about I'll relieve you from carrying your money?
WG will do the same thing over and over, they'll only just make it look different. Their management has decided what to do and they're not going to change, and the playerbase is fed up and demand changes. Now, who are the ones under pressure? The developers, spokepersons and all in the middle, and they won't convince the managers or stockholders of anything. WG is now rotten to the core and it's going down sooner or later.
Chase , did you really expect something ?
REALLY ?
come on , lets not be naive . WG has milked the old players ,and dont care about them.
And WG wanted to get ritd of CC's for LONG time.
I will be exciting to hear from u about the new naval game. I came to WOWS from WOT because the shit show in WOT. Now everything blows up because of WG inability to listen to the player base. It's time to move on from this toxic company for good.
I don't know who April is, but they only named dropped them and White Mouse? this was written and not edited before you and Jingles left (Probably Flambass but I don't know him)
Back to Battlestations Pacific then...
PS: really looking forward to the new naval game!
hehe, you might have somethings to look forward to with BSP
Corporate middle finger.
‘We don’t need or want you anymore, its all your fault your too stupid to see the new reality and we will continue to do what we want ; even if it’s gambling and predatory towards minors and the vulnerable. We wish you all the best in the future, as we already have your money and we are now taking money from the new casual players’. We appreciate it if you if would just go away quietly now’
Twice bitten, I for one don’t intend to make it a third time. No more money from me WG.
I’m excited to see that game you mentioned! As for WG…. You summed it up pretty well. Im done with them too
"We will always be here to talk". That's correct. Never to listen. Just to talk. On the topics they choose. Not the topics that are problems. Proof is that statement, and the complete lack of addressing the reasons why those CC's left. Nothing will even change in WG.
it's not like CC's rotating out will hurt their business model. They are making more money now. It's a business. And it's not like CC's are making a lot of money being CC's..... it's a trivial thing. They go down the route of where the most profits are... why wouldn't a business do this? There isn't a playerbase wide issue... people are still playing and spending. Again... this is a trivial thing. This business is doing the exact same thing that other businesses do. Sounds like a bunch of babies really.
The money keeps coming, so nothing changes. The sad part about their "vocal minority" argument is that its all true.
Maybe if it goes big enough to force EU gambling regulators and PEGI to look at the game critically they could scale the predatory monetization back just a bit, but probably not enough.
It is hard in the EU. Every country has the own regulation for gambling.(There is no EU law for gambling just every country has its own gambling regulation) I think Netherlands/Belgium has banned the lootboxes every other country in the eu does do shit about it.
@@DeteCT0R Netherlands/Belgium are also the only countries (that Im aware off) that have gaming on TV.
Weegee says : so long and thanks for all the fish. F em.
I can't wait to see EA's response to this. First Activision-Blizzard made a play for their crown as the worst AAA game publisher. Now WG is making their own play for that title. I'm sure EA must have a contingency plan for this disaster that they'll put into motion shortly. It's going to be very interesting to see who's left standing (sinking) in this battle-royal race to the bottom of the ethics hole these guys are all fighting for.
If our PR and Marketing came back with this. They would be picking up their checks on the way out the door. The manager that authorised it would join them. This is how you feed a fire not dampen it down. Just how has this company survived?
sadly i know how they survived. Old veterans who use their retirement checks and lay down countless money for premiums and other ships because they likely want to collect the ships they have seen or served on.
I was in a clan full of these veterans and my god it was just sad
these old guys don't give two shits about the crap that goes on in the background and just keep playing the game and spending money. this steady income wont stop til that generation dies off sadly
Interesting, at the same time gw is running themselves in the ground too and making people abandon Warhammer 40k for Battletech, it's nearly an exact parallel
But hey
(Most likely) more Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts is something I'll never argue with
I want to know what happens when the game is shut down due to the money laundering accusations? All the people that spend money today, will there be a game in 6 months to a year from now? Are they not just trying to make a last ditch purge of funds before they go under?
BTW: Microprose is back as well (who remembers them). and they're coming up with some naval games as well :-)
Task force admiral, by far one of the best naval WW2 games by the looks of it so far.
Is it someone who bought the name, or the original developers?
@@rabidlemming3680 Kinda both.
Someone bought the name and also hired some of the original devs.
@@maviba One of the founders is an original cofounder of Microprose from back in the day.
It's literally EXACTLY what I expected: We did no wrong, the people who left are being unreasonable, we are offering no tangible changes to the way things are going or issues that have driven you all away, please gib munneys
They are exactly the same as EA, Gaijin, Ubisoft, Activision, Blizzard, etc. Completely out of touch with reality and full of greed which is why I never buy AAA titles anymore. I am both done with Wows and War Thunder as well.
Does somebody know if Little White Mouse is really a woman?
Wargaming, thanks for the extra space on my SSD after uninstall!!!
Was done with wows about a year ago I get on maybe once a month to remind myself the game went to shit but that's about it
Yes, we hope the new naval game wont do the same stuff and also hope gaijin dont do this as well
I really think Jingles nailed this.
They don’t need the CCs and they don’t need the player base that follows them or cares about this game. There are more than enough players spending money who don’t know a thing about any of this. And since loot boxes equals profits they are not about to change their practices at all. They will not change because their is no need to. Even if every single player that follows any of the CC’s who quit and every single player on the Reddit, Facebook, or WOWS forums quit and never spent another dime WG would not care at all. Because there is more money to be made from the new batch of players who happily buy all the loot boxes.
Which is why a new game is needed. I look forward to this new project iChase is working on. Hopefully other former wows CC's join in as well. Especially LWM.
While i get what you guys are doing, its their game, let them do whatever the hell they want with it ffs, unfortunately most of humanity is greedy and loot boxes make the most profit…profits from stuff like csgo, and overwatch etc are proof
and those games are either dead and or were/are being dealt with legally because of the gambling aspects of their lootboxes.
are you new to the whole "having intelligence" aspect of human life or......?
the best example of a game series still pulling this shit is FIFA and go look up how many lives that game series has ruined and tell me "they could have just walked away from the game".
free will does not condone shitty actions or heinous sales practices.
I mean, what were we expecting?
I just deleted ships from my computer 😂
Like Jingles explained: WG doesn’t need the cc program anymore since some years, so do not expect an apology or change. Only thing working will be if we as community stop spending money on the game.
New naval game?
Good.
:-)
The bar was set so low but wg was able to crawl under it
Translation from management speak "Don't let door hit you on the way out. We've already forgotten your names. Nothing here is gonna change"
funny considering the game already has a shit audience base to begin with. Not to be an asshole but it doesnt speak well for your game when the biggest streamers of it are typically on twitch with maybe on average 1.5k viewers at most. This game isnt appealing to younger audiences and the older audiences that it actually brings in are dying off/leaving
OUR game, OUR rules. Get out
-WeeGee team
Having played World of Tanks since 2011, WG has become increasingly arrogant and greedy as they've grown as a company. I can't even play WoT anymore because it feels like a cartoonish caricature from what it was in 2012. WoWS can still be fun, but the monetization of every facet of the game is killing my interest.
That game you are hinting at cant come soon enough. The sooner the better what a tradegy WoWs has turned into
As sad as I am with you quiting WOW, I fully support you in your decision. I myself have spend 5 years dedicating my life to the game. I learned how to be a better Captain from you, LWM and Jingles. I myself have quit and uninstalled the game along with all Wargaming product as I too refuse to contribute to a company that continues to disrespect both the community and to you CCs. The sheer disgusting incompetence or lack of care that they have put into that “apology” is the final straw. I am washing my hands with Wargaming, they will not take another sec or penny out of me. I wish you luck with the new Naval game IChase. I am so thankful to you and all the other CCs for making me a better player in a rotten game. Good luck and fair winds to you.
And here I thought Wargaming had already hit rock bottom. With that "not an apology" they've managed to punch through bedrock and keep going all the way to the molten core.....
A new naval game? I look forward to hearing about it, and I don't think I am the only one looking for an alternative to WoWs right now. Thanks for the video!
This dev has only played 3 battles LOL. Everyone wasn’t kidding when they said the devs don’t play the game they designed.
im pretty sure he's not a developer. Wargaming is a big company and at this point im willing to bet at least half of the company isn't even game related. for example they probably have "historians" trying to do some digging to find more premiums they can start designing and so forth
“We will always be here to talk”.
What they mean is TO you, not WITH you.
Man, this has been a terrible year for Wargaming titles so far. First it was WoT Console’s major fuck up with Update 6.0 in December which ended up alienating the game’s remaining veteran players and content creators. Then there is WoT PC’s fiasco regarding Crew 2.0. And now there’s WoWs and the Yukon/Missouri disaster along with a massive exodus of CC’s which could basically be a death-knell for the program.
While I don’t play WoWs (I’m a 5-year WoT Console veteran) it has really been sad seeing this entire fiasco erupt. I always thought Warships was the “unspoiled” golden child of the Wargaming titles, but sadly this no longer appears to be the case.
I played Wot console since almost the start and what it became in 6.0 was an abomination! I really miss playing the old Wot Console, So much time and money gone to waste...
It's been rotten for nearly 4 years. People simply chose to ignore the obvious signs. WG has not changed since day 1. People, however, deluded themselves into believing they were something they weren't.
@@illegalopinions4082 I always knew they were greedy and didint care about the community but what they did to the gameplay, HUD and all the crews and consumables is unforgivable...all those 15+ skill crews I and others had got but nerfed to nothing, 6.0 was my breaking point.
Keep playing videos iChase. If you find a good game, many players might follow you over.
I will🤘🏻
Yeah now would be the perfect time for this other game to drop. War gaming has screwed the pooch on this one
"You see we want to admit our faults, but we don't want to admit our faults; because we don't think we did anything wrong."
Wargaming doing the "it's not me,it's you" thing. I won't spend any money on this game till those responsible for WGs attitude and direction are fired and changes made.
I have been needing a reason to uninstall this game..... Thank You, Ichase
Commenting for the algorithm, more people need to see this
remember when WOWS come out...... and it was SO SO SO much better than WOT??????
and most players came from WOT.... because you didnt have "gold rounds"
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but now.... im SHOCKED that WG hasnt added in "premium" rounds for WOWS....
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oh shit.... i just gave them an idea..... DAMMIT!!!!
What utter, utter scumbags. Anyone working for this company deserves jail.
I was a beta tester and played up until June of 2020. I had finally had enough. WG can take their Missouri, their loot boxes, their broken games and shove them up their......
wait.........
Another ship game upcoming????
You didn't really expect the company that went against its own words for submarines, Yamato, 460mm guns, Kitakami and CV reeeeework to actually apologize. The automated bot responce is the only thing you get. Game dipped hard just before pay2rico and its been on a steady decline since. I quit 3 months ago. Would keep my eyes open if game gets some fixes to stupidity but not keeping my hopes up.
Actions must be taken quickly while we are all engaged to get the game rating changed. Lootboxes shouldn’t be in front of little kids nuff said
Why would they apologize?! You are still playing... Sorry, I meant you are still PAYING, so it's all fine... I mean, if it was anything wrong, you wouldn't pay them to screw you, would you?
I applaud your decision regarding being done with WG the only way this company responds is losing player base NO OTHER ACTION MATTERS, if you don't like what they are doing the only way to make them change is to leave, Flamu and folks who kick up a big stink but keep playing and covering updates to the game are only giving WG free advertisement and provide 0 incentive to change
I hope this new naval combat game gives WG a run for it's money. Blizzard has been doing a lot of the same shit WG has been doing, and many of their CCs, and player base are leaving World of Warcraft in a mass exodus, and are now playing FFXIV, which is a much better alternative in the MMORPG realm.
It would be really awesome if this upcoming naval combat game can give World of Warships the same kind of competition, and destroy their monopoly.
WG this... WG that... I don't care at this point. I play the game... Sink a few ships and go to bed happily; Peacefully. I don't need an apology. I need more steel!! Word of advice... play with no attachments and you'll enjoy your gameplay much more.
Well, if you wondered if they will choose the business vs. the CC's, they answered that in the way I expected. You know how Las Vegas casinos deal with addicted gamblers? They post a phone number to get help. Not really their business to fix people who cannot properly manager their habits. And we should act surprised that a Russian gaming company acts the same? WG isn't a "Woke" American Fortune 500 company pretending to care about people who make up less than 1% of their customer base. They don't care, and at least they are honest about it.
Will enough people quit over these (perfectly legal) business practices in the long run? That'll take time to tell. Some people will quit. Some will come back when nothing else that satisfies the itch appears in the market.
The statement for WG NA is a copy pasta of the statement from another comment published on the EU server by another employee, probably already published in the RU server.
In full Lukashenko stile, this comment was made in Belarus so don't blame the deliverers: they had no choice other then get to Gulag.
The Missouri changes were due to several player sueing WG for predatory gambling on Europe a USA authorities: it has nothing to do with any "feedback"...
Let's be honest: those Lambo don't come cheap!
An apology requires a conscience......War-gaming do not possess any above ground level.
Yeah Wargaming is obviously not sorry. I was a World of Tanks player for 6 years and a World of Warships player for close to a year now and if they think they can fool us, they’d be wrong. Never trust Wargaming because they’re only going to screw up again. I’m still playing WoWS, but I’m most definitely not spending any money on the game anymore. They don’t care about you, they’ll continue to manipulate you because that’s all they care about. Shame on Wargaming. SHAME.
Translation s:
- We know people are upset about the Missouri maybe not being available quickly enough through our lootboxes, so we're making it available for outright purchase immediately.
- On the Missouri's earnings, we're going to delay a decision and hope that everybody will forget about it.
- As far as Little White Mouse goes, tough shit, we're going with our designs instead.
Of course they didn’t address any of the points/gripes. Apologizing for or addressing them would make them admit that they fundamentally have a culture issue. They won’t do that. Cultures fine comrade.
The 48-72 hours to formulate a response was figuring how to as directly, indirectly, as possible respond to the gripes to save face of their “flawless” culture.
I know you and other former CC’s and RUclipsrs constantly say “Don’t blame it on the Community Managers, they are only messengers”
Which is correct …. But by conveying the msg from WG’s, just like Shonai just did, they acknowledge the statement from WG, so no matter whether they like it or not, it appears to the public as a “one voice”
If a CM for any reason what so ever has just a little bit of respect for his community he/she should reverse such corporate statement and let WG know that he/she is not able to communicate such, as it does not address or resolve the issues at hand.
Just because you’re a “messenger” does not mean you don’t have responsibilities
I'm not even interested in Missouri considering shes just a reskin of Iowa, but as a history buff i'm quite upset that they tied her to an "End of WWII" campaign featuring "The greatest naval battles of WWII".
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of history knows that by the time Missouri entered service, both the Kriegsmarine and the Imperial Japanese Navy had ceased to exist as a fighting force. The only shots she fired in anger during the conflict were AA fire... which, as we all know, is useless in WoWs!
This is Russian mentality issue, dating back to tzar authoritarian era, amplified by decades of communism and then a bit of predatory capitalism and "corporate culture". They are half-way to Asia, and (almost like in China) "preserving face" is way more important than any objectivism, justice or honesty. You can't show that you're weak or not successful. To anyone.
I did some quick math, if you have a + 50% credits camo, all the flags mounted, the +20% credits mission doesn't even come close to what you would have earned with the old MO. The mission would have to give roughly +48% credits to equal your old earnings.
The Missouri is still not up to paar with before and there is a super easy way to fix this. like super easy. and no change from 17 to 20 or 30 will fix it, when they dont count for flags and camos.
Easy Fix: 1. take the % missouri gets more 2. subtract the % other T9 Premiums get 3. Add this BEFORE adding flags/camo
There are only 2 reasons they wont do it: 1. they dont want you have as much credits as before 2. they are not able to code in that it is counted before flags/camo because the wows code is so badly written that this is not easy to implement
i dont know which of this 2 reasons is the bigger UFF
How many more dumpster fires/shitshows/disasters/fuck ups/pr screw ups will it take for the general player base to realise that WG will NEVER change, they will always be predatory in the extreme when it comes to monetisation and will show zero respect to people that helped make this game work in the first place. I stopped playing a long time ago, and having spent an obscene amount of money on shitships I eventually realised what a colossal mistake I made on so many occasions giving money to these bastards. This game is rated for kids! as young as seven can play this game and WG are shoving gambling down there throats. SEVEN years old people, that’s disgusting. Yet all these CC’s leaving will change absolutely fuck all, WG will continue to rip you off, will continue to peddle gambling to minors and will continue to disrespect the player base and guess what else will continue? enough people will continue to spend money to keep WG happy. I don’t care if WG announce they are making the most awesome bestest game in history, I won’t lower my standards to their gutter level and play it. In short…fuck you WG.
Could be worse… they could be Blizzard…
But this shows the same symptomatic problems you see in Blizzard. A massive MMO franchise that has come to take the willingness of its captive gaming audience to monthly pay for granted.
They have the last several years not actually learned from any mistakes - not the 'PvE and returning players' one where they got Ceasre, degrasse and about 100+ dollars of stuff and PvP players got the shaft, or the staggered releases multiple times, or Puerto Rico dockyard, or the CV rework, or any number of other things. It's why I wrote a post years ago why I was no longer giving them any of my money - that members of the NA community started rioting to have brought back for discussion when it was deleted 'for being in the wrong place'. It's why honestly, the last year or so, I've barely played. Partially because possibility of free stuff - even if I have to work for it, I've actually ended up trying ships in Warthunder cause I wanted something to fill the flying fix I needed initially, and honestly, I've had way more fun in that than in WoWs in a long time. I feel bad for the community managers - because they have to deal with us, dealing with the absolutely incompetent at this point dev team, managers, up most, if not all the damn ladder when it comes to WoWs.
Their apology wasn't an apology, it was forced corporate "remorse" for the consequences of their decisions, whether or not they actually had any remorse or not. Regardless, remorse is not an apology. They're invitation for talking was for them. You as a former CC are going to them for a listen, THEY are the ones having a talk at you.
So since LWM has so much testing experience and also has some experience with making ship skins (camos), I could definitely see her creating her own studio and also making her own successful naval warfare game. She knows how to listen and what is needed. She also knows what ships are actually real and how realistic some paper ships could have been. I think she could do it. Jingle's already has done some voice acting. Just take the concept of WOWS, open it up to include a wider era of ships and call it "Universe of Warships" to spite wargaming.
The problem is that you still assume that WG still agrees to talk with you.
I fear you're deeeply wrong => WG is like a bot: they have one goal (make a maximum profit) and they rush straight forward to achieve it.
So, obviously, awaiting apologies is a loss of time for players too.
No time, no need, nor lust to talk, hooman...
(sorry for english : not my first language)
beta on WOT, alpha in WOWS and WOWP, I saw all of this 8 + years ago. Amusing to me it took others this long to realize what kind of company this is..........
My theory is that the guys who take decisions at WG’s headquarters do NOT play WoT and WoW, neither they have any passion for the games. They are lucky they haven’t any competition (yet), otherwise WG would collapse in a matter of weeks. At the moment they are still making a shitload of money and there are still many people with quick access to credit cards willing to enrich those greedy bastards. I used to be one and the weight of regret is nearly unbearable. The idea I spent hundreds of euros…. Oh no, I don’t even wanna think about it. One thing is sure: I’m done with these sketchy people
All the more reason to play SH3. I've been a closed Alpha tester for WoWS and got the Iwaki Alpha. The ship was really good but now with power creep and de-buffs I don't enjoy it. iChase was at the first TwitchCon in SF and attended the War Gaming after party where the theme was WoWS. I was there too. We were on press accounts in the basement but had a great time. Oh how far has WoWS fallen. Wish I had sold my Alpha account.
They're sorry the CCs left, not what they did to cause that. Typical WG. I still patronage various streamers but I haven't played the game in nearly two years and I won't. WG absolutely doesn't deserve to be paid for their behavior. In fairness, it probably did take a WG employee 72hrs to come up with that statement. Just think of all the time, revisions, and translations it had to go through to reach its current state from the likely initial response of "Go fuck yourselves" in Russian.
I'm definitely done giving money to them until they make some sort of significant change both in game and company cultural wise. As an alternative for now, I saw a video from
iEarlGrey about Refight:The Last Warship. its free on Steam and looked interesting, through the ship selection at the moment is quite limited. I'll give it a try for now, at least until Ultimate Dreadnought comes out.
No Shocked! WG doesnt give 2 shits about CCs leaving,..They will just get new ones if they want them..Business as usual...It still feels good to think that WG took a hit, but in reality i doubt they lost any sleep over this...They are just a shit Company.
I'm having difficulty understanding this situation. Y'all seem upset that WarGaming is treating you exactly the way they've been treating the rest of the player base all along, however, they told you that you were special. So, you shilled their game & accepted their perks. Suddenly, y'all were shocked to learn that WarGaming ignored the constructive criticism you provided... just like they do every other player. Now your noses are bent out of joint because they gave you special gifts & told y'all that you were special, and you found out that you aren't important. Now y'all are upset that their business model is to make a profit? Isn't that sort of what business do? Yes, it sucks, but it is their product, and they can do what they want.
Y'all sound like spurned girlfriends. Sure, everyone warned you about him, but he gave gifts & told you that you were special so you latched on as tightly as you could. Now, you are all mad because you found your boyfriend was just as lothesome as everyone had warned and that you're not so special after all.