For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. A number of methods for obtaining the polygonal masonry are proposed. The basis of the proposed methods is the use of clay/gypsum replicas, a topography translator, and reduced clay models of the stone blocks along with a 3D-pantograph. The results are presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly-fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru”. RUclips does not allow a direct link. Search by the article title.
Thanks Harvey. The colors of the stones in those doorways is fascinating. Really stands out when it's wet. The one fountain at OT also has the red/green/blue combination.
Appears to me these are single door jambs that are architecturally recessed and centered in the wall, for design aesthetics, creating what you think are "double jambs" but are brief overhangs and formal architectural 'portal'design. Best -
Nah,, that's a light bulb. The only place I can recall seeing a nub IN a doorway,, is at Sacsayhuaman. And,, now that I think about it,, in Pisac too. There are plenty of nubs in the Niches!
There are still doorways all along the mountains. And those foundations are what's left of an Inca city. The last of many many many Empires and kingdoms going back thousands of years. The Inca didn't just appear out of nowhere. They are a continuación of and amalgamation of Andean cultures.
If I understand correctly, polygonal stone walls are great for earthquakes and other events that would shake the walls. The blocks will settle back in place. So, if I built a wall to to take massive movements of the blocks, I would need a door way that could also handle the great force that could move my walls. If you had a great wind that you wanted to protect from, those doors would do the trick. If you had a stone block that fit the outer part, then any wind would push the door into the inner lip. I know it seems fantastic to protect yourself from such a massive wind but these are massive stones. There is an idea that the Sun micro nova's every 12,000 years. Maybe these structures protected against massive plasma discharges that hit our atmosphere. Sounds fantasy but it's fantasy to think people moved around stones that weigh in the tons instead of using much smaller and easier to handle stones.
First, watch AMAZING VIDEO! Man Lifts 20 Ton Block By Hand? if you haven't seen it, the stones are easier to move by yourself than it seems. Second, watch this on the polygonal masonry Saqsaywaman Mystery Solved, has some video of rarely seen places that really suggest softened stone is the correct idea. Third and why I'm replying, I think the double layer doors were simply to make them not fall down, regardless of the cause. Over long periods of time, these people would have seen that the door lintels are a weakness, and tend to be what falls down. Simply make a second, larger stone to go on top, and help hold the lintel in place. If the outer frame and the inner frames are locked together, then the outer frame helps keep the inner one in place, and the inner one in a groove in the outer frame would help hold it in place. Working together they'd be much less likely to fall in an earthquake or similar. Same general idea of the walls locking together extended to the door frames, that they would have seen were a weakness from the single frame doors that fell over time.
An advanced civilization that existed a very long time ago knew that they would vanish due to a recurring thus predictable natural disaster. To let the next civilization know that they existed, they built enormous buildings, such as the Great Pyramid in Egypt. But to emphasize that there were already worldwide civilizations at that time, they used striking constructions in various places, such as the polygonal walls with large hard stones in Peru. We still don't get that. That predictable natural disaster is described in old books and can only be caused by a celestial body that comes close to Earth at long intervals of time: Planet 9. The crossing of this planet causes an enormous tidal wave, floods, a bombardment of asteroids and more unpleasant effects. The disaster kills many people and animals. To learn much more about planet 9, the recurring flood cycle, the re-creation of civilizations and its chronology and ancient high technology, read the e-book: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". It can be read on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search: invisible nibiru 9
There is a video on the scientific theory of stone softening. It involves changing isotopes of the molecules within the stone and given the right technological advances seems quite simple.
You mean this video? ruclips.net/video/fSkUNHm5-4I/видео.html It wouldn't suprise me if someone was running now with a theory that I published 2 years ago!
Thank you for this video. 1. It's obvious that these doorways have been relocated because the fit of the stones are not as tight as the original. 2. Why is there the sound of running water? I didn't see any
Thank you X3 Harvey for sharing your video with us ..... I wish there was an international competition where the academic engineers and the empirical engineers which include artists, obsessed and passionate would participate and win part of their participation fee in replicating small scale that tightly fits .... one competition without modern tools and another competition with modern tools also..... I am a real estate broker, residential builder, inventor and a few more good skills .... I understand that no material or element in the universe is solid for all is atomically moving within ... I understand that a stone with metals and elements in it once grounded can be made solid again and re formed or re shaped using the proper physical chemicals in abundance on earth much as we do today ..... I understand that concrete was known of way before the modern concrete ..... I understand that granite, diamonds/jewels, gold etc were cut, shaped or sculpted possibly 10 thousand plus years ago using tools that may hide well guarded somewhere .... I understand that only a few idiots most likely religious and fanatics think that humanimals are the only intelligent in the universe ..... there were a few tenants in South America: the modern Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Uruguay, Argentina etc ..... before them the Spanish thieves, before the thieves there were the Incas Tenants of Peru Ecuador Bolivia etc, before these tenants there were the pre Inca builders, and before these prebuilders there their ancestors too .... those pre Inca were not only intelligent they were immensely capable just by looking at those herculean rocks that many of us do not even have a mind to wonder how on earth if not from out of it for we know that one race came after the next but which one was more intelligent for we know that even with the down syndrome these are indeed very intelligent too.
What he is not explains is that there are 4 different civilizations that built upon each other. Pre inca, inca, spanish, and modern. The pre inca are the larger rocks and doors ways, the inca has larger rocks around them the Spanish small little rocks and modern day some sort of cement
I appreciate the video and showing parts of Ollantaytambo most visitors may never see and the stone work there is like no other, but why is there such a need to focus on the theory that things were pre-Inca? So one argument I would have is that the claim about the doorways. This isn't entirely true, we do have examples of really large doorways, larger than 7ft, still intact at Saqsaywaman and Machu Picchu didn't have anything torn down intentionally, at least nothing that would be very obviously torn down, that's why it stands out, it's one of the few examples of an almost intact imperial-Inca settlement so to say they were torn down centuries ago, and we only have examples of smaller ones doesn't really hold water in my opinion. Also, you repeat a couple of things like pre-Inca vs Inca and make the claim that the Inca moved stones to Patacalle, but how exactly do you know this? Just based on where doors appear to have been at the ruins? The doorway which is visible at the ruins looks completely different from these doorways. The blocks are much larger, they still have the protrusions indicative of Inca stone work on them, and don't resemble the narrow entryway that these do. I think it's worth considering that because the stones look different or building styles vary, it may not necessarily point to the Inca finding a site and then building upon it. If we consider how societies build things today there are many reasons for varying styles in architecture, cost, resources, personal preference etc... so I think those factors are worth considering in past societies as well. Not to mention even a simple example, if I have an old looking house and need new windows installed does it mean that my new windows are older than the house because they look like they are better quality? No... so perhaps the older doorways were removed and repaired to look better or be more supportive. We know from the chronicles that Inca emperors did this. Another clue in the chronicles that we have is the sheer manpower the Inca were capable of amassing. Some chroniclers talk about this and I think it's important because essentially, many of the mysteries of these buildings are explained if you have enough people. How did they move the blocks? Juan de Betanzos tells us, some had 1000 men working on a single block, that seems more likely to me based on the amount of terraced land, I believe the population was much greater than is typically assumed, other Spanish chroniclers tell us at any given moment 30,000 men were working on a building and that the fortress of Saqsaywaman took 4 years to build. There's also a shrine above the main set of ruins on the same mountain at Ollantaytambo if you take the footpath at the back of the ruins, and it goes up much higher, here we find 4 doorways all constructed with field stones and no mortar, if we are to assume this is inferior construction and therefore Inca, then why would they not move the doorways there since it is much closer than across the valley. And if we are to assume those are pre-Inca, why are they not megalithic like the others? Just some things to consider, I know we all want to believe some sensational history of a global super advanced civilization who had a pyramid under Antartica where they would have ritual hunting of alien xenomorphs with another alien species called the predator but there just isn't a lot of evidence for it, unfortunately.
It’s sad how hard it is to get the ancient aliens crowd to listen to science. Partly because the producers of invented history always say science is The Enemy!
@@honeysucklecat yeah they are among the founders of the current anti-science movement... back to the days of Von Daniken's chariots of the gods after being charged with fraud. I think another part of the problem is its almost personality cultish with each character having their own distinct appearance and then book with a vary slightly difference in the alien astronaut "theory" and then on top of that the whole idea of it has a religious element to it as it takes all the religions literally, so it is cunning at scamming people, I'll give it that.
This is what we are. We are so much more than the most people think. Believe in you and what you see. This is true, not the Bla bla shit they told us. Believe! But choose wise who you adore! Shut up your ego and feel the pure. It is everywhere, all arround us. Be you! A lot of us are ready now to fight against the darkness. We will bring back the holy grail, the essence of existance from all, in the womb that embeds us. 🏹🗝💫💗
Almost looks like something should fit there. Wood be interesting for there to be stone in the shape of these doorways, to block it up completely in case of (insert natural disasters)
Look at the walls closely and you can see the precise workmanship of the large perfect fitting stones with no cement on the bottom created by the Incas (pre-Columbian). The top portion of the wall was constructed at a much later time using much smaller and less precise stones with cement.
Thank you Harvey. I have to given to current Americans for being so courteous especially when people are inside.They had come a long way, but nevertheless they did. Indians and Pakistanis are the smartest people in the world, Africans are the best physical people, ever since I was a child I used to wait for the 4 year Olympics and for the penultimate Track and Event field, Africans by far are the Supreme, :) Every country in the world is best in some way or the other. :)
regardless of how these stones were created, the *style* is found all over the world, and it's more than just a coincidence that so many supposedly independent cultures would create walls in this way, especially considering that anywhere this type of stonework is found, they're never overtop of older styles. this speaks to extreme age. and there cannot be any other explanation besides a lost civilization.
#God's rotten kids that fell with #Satan built that. Lazer beams. Impossible for primitive man and I'd love to see men try to do this in now #Rowl4nd99 #Gabriel #Michael baby #ahhhhh
Why are there so many blackened burnt charred looking stones and lots of small Rubble that looks like they were other stones that have been broken apart possibly by an extreme fires or explosions
@6:12 you had it right, when you said "you would swear it was made of concrete"! It is a geo-polymer concrete made using decomposed granite , which was poured into bags and molded into these tight fitting shapes, not carved stones!
that was the big theory that has lost most of it's weight ever since the Russian geological study, funny fact is the more we study these stones the further we get from understanding how they did it !
@@calenlight6817 what makes sense is what is obvious when you actually see them. They were pounded into the shape with hand held round stones. I’ve touched these stones. It’s obvious. Nothing about them, any of them, have any traits that look like they were poured. Nor is there any evidence to support geo polymers. None, except fabricated bs. Is there any evidence to support the obvious method? Why, funny thing. There is! Lots! So just go away with your bs.
For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. A number of methods for obtaining the polygonal masonry are proposed. The basis of the proposed methods is the use of clay/gypsum replicas, a topography translator, and reduced clay models of the stone blocks along with a 3D-pantograph. The results are presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly-fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru”. RUclips does not allow a direct link. Search by the article title.
The 8th article edition (DOI: 10.20944/preprints202108.0087.v8) is posted at Preprints. Search the article by DOI or by title.
Thank you very much! Bringing this to us deserves another sub. for you. Keep bringing it and you keep it.
All the best to you.
Thanks Harvey. The colors of the stones in those doorways is fascinating. Really stands out when it's wet. The one fountain at OT also has the red/green/blue combination.
I truly appreciate your take on these sites
Thank You.
Magical.
Appears to me these are single door jambs that are architecturally recessed and centered in the wall, for design aesthetics, creating what you think are "double jambs" but are brief overhangs and formal architectural 'portal'design.
Best -
These doorways were the entrances to the Royal Inca estates. Presumably, descendants of Pachacuti, Ollantaytambo's founder/rebuilder.
Good stuff
You would have to take the whole wall due to the complex nature of the masonry if you wanted to re-site it. Great thoughts.
Nah,, that's a light bulb. The only place I can recall seeing a nub IN a doorway,, is at Sacsayhuaman. And,, now that I think about it,, in Pisac too. There are plenty of nubs in the Niches!
There are still doorways all along the mountains. And those foundations are what's left of an Inca city. The last of many many many Empires and kingdoms going back thousands of years. The Inca didn't just appear out of nowhere. They are a continuación of and amalgamation of Andean cultures.
If I understand correctly, polygonal stone walls are great for earthquakes and other events that would shake the walls. The blocks will settle back in place. So, if I built a wall to to take massive movements of the blocks, I would need a door way that could also handle the great force that could move my walls.
If you had a great wind that you wanted to protect from, those doors would do the trick. If you had a stone block that fit the outer part, then any wind would push the door into the inner lip. I know it seems fantastic to protect yourself from such a massive wind but these are massive stones.
There is an idea that the Sun micro nova's every 12,000 years. Maybe these structures protected against massive plasma discharges that hit our atmosphere. Sounds fantasy but it's fantasy to think people moved around stones that weigh in the tons instead of using much smaller and easier to handle stones.
First, watch AMAZING VIDEO! Man Lifts 20 Ton Block By Hand? if you haven't seen it, the stones are easier to move by yourself than it seems.
Second, watch this on the polygonal masonry Saqsaywaman Mystery Solved, has some video of rarely seen places that really suggest softened stone is the correct idea.
Third and why I'm replying, I think the double layer doors were simply to make them not fall down, regardless of the cause. Over long periods of time, these people would have seen that the door lintels are a weakness, and tend to be what falls down. Simply make a second, larger stone to go on top, and help hold the lintel in place. If the outer frame and the inner frames are locked together, then the outer frame helps keep the inner one in place, and the inner one in a groove in the outer frame would help hold it in place. Working together they'd be much less likely to fall in an earthquake or similar. Same general idea of the walls locking together extended to the door frames, that they would have seen were a weakness from the single frame doors that fell over time.
An advanced civilization that existed a very long time ago knew that they would vanish due to a recurring thus predictable natural disaster. To let the next civilization know that they existed, they built enormous buildings, such as the Great Pyramid in Egypt. But to emphasize that there were already worldwide civilizations at that time, they used striking constructions in various places, such as the polygonal walls with large hard stones in Peru. We still don't get that. That predictable natural disaster is described in old books and can only be caused by a celestial body that comes close to Earth at long intervals of time: Planet 9. The crossing of this planet causes an enormous tidal wave, floods, a bombardment of asteroids and more unpleasant effects. The disaster kills many people and animals. To learn much more about planet 9, the recurring flood cycle, the re-creation of civilizations and its chronology and ancient high technology, read the e-book: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". It can be read on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search: invisible nibiru 9
Thank you for pronouncing polygonal correctly😂good vid too thanks
There is a video on the scientific theory of stone softening. It involves changing isotopes of the molecules within the stone and given the right technological advances seems quite simple.
You mean this video? ruclips.net/video/fSkUNHm5-4I/видео.html It wouldn't suprise me if someone was running now with a theory that I published 2 years ago!
There is no stone softening. Try looking up why instead of ignoring the actual science.
@ 5:15-5:20min. Do I see burnt wall stones ?
Has anyone reasoned why the entrances narrowed at the top? Is it for structural integrity?
Thank you for this video.
1. It's obvious that these doorways have been relocated because the fit of the stones are not as tight as the original.
2. Why is there the sound of running water? I didn't see any
cheers
So much jam but no marmalade,🤭 Bur seriously folks, I wonder why the doors and alleyways are so narrow?.
Built by the indigenous peoples under the direction of the Inca. From Ecuador to Bolivia, Chile and Argentina.
Why not use straight flat stones ????
Did you sit on Che Gaveras rock when you were there ? ....
The city below is built on top of Inca foundations.
Such narrow doors probably meant to slow or stop invaders.
Thank you X3 Harvey for sharing your video with us ..... I wish there was an international competition where the academic engineers and the empirical engineers which include artists, obsessed and passionate would participate and win part of their participation fee in replicating small scale that tightly fits .... one competition without modern tools and another competition with modern tools also..... I am a real estate broker, residential builder, inventor and a few more good skills .... I understand that no material or element in the universe is solid for all is atomically moving within ... I understand that a stone with metals and elements in it once grounded can be made solid again and re formed or re shaped using the proper physical chemicals in abundance on earth much as we do today ..... I understand that concrete was known of way before the modern concrete ..... I understand that granite, diamonds/jewels, gold etc were cut, shaped or sculpted possibly 10 thousand plus years ago using tools that may hide well guarded somewhere .... I understand that only a few idiots most likely religious and fanatics think that humanimals are the only intelligent in the universe ..... there were a few tenants in South America: the modern Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Uruguay, Argentina etc ..... before them the Spanish thieves, before the thieves there were the Incas Tenants of Peru Ecuador Bolivia etc, before these tenants there were the pre Inca builders, and before these prebuilders there their ancestors too .... those pre Inca were not only intelligent they were immensely capable just by looking at those herculean rocks that many of us do not even have a mind to wonder how on earth if not from out of it for we know that one race came after the next but which one was more intelligent for we know that even with the down syndrome these are indeed very intelligent too.
What he is not explains is that there are 4 different civilizations that built upon each other. Pre inca, inca, spanish, and modern. The pre inca are the larger rocks and doors ways, the inca has larger rocks around them the Spanish small little rocks and modern day some sort of cement
Elegant, is the word.
Ex-hodcarrior to the master mason K.K.Kuhl....the sea ranch calif.
I appreciate the video and showing parts of Ollantaytambo most visitors may never see and the stone work there is like no other, but why is there such a need to focus on the theory that things were pre-Inca?
So one argument I would have is that the claim about the doorways. This isn't entirely true, we do have examples of really large doorways, larger than 7ft, still intact at Saqsaywaman and Machu Picchu didn't have anything torn down intentionally, at least nothing that would be very obviously torn down, that's why it stands out, it's one of the few examples of an almost intact imperial-Inca settlement so to say they were torn down centuries ago, and we only have examples of smaller ones doesn't really hold water in my opinion.
Also, you repeat a couple of things like pre-Inca vs Inca and make the claim that the Inca moved stones to Patacalle, but how exactly do you know this? Just based on where doors appear to have been at the ruins? The doorway which is visible at the ruins looks completely different from these doorways. The blocks are much larger, they still have the protrusions indicative of Inca stone work on them, and don't resemble the narrow entryway that these do.
I think it's worth considering that because the stones look different or building styles vary, it may not necessarily point to the Inca finding a site and then building upon it. If we consider how societies build things today there are many reasons for varying styles in architecture, cost, resources, personal preference etc... so I think those factors are worth considering in past societies as well. Not to mention even a simple example, if I have an old looking house and need new windows installed does it mean that my new windows are older than the house because they look like they are better quality? No... so perhaps the older doorways were removed and repaired to look better or be more supportive. We know from the chronicles that Inca emperors did this.
Another clue in the chronicles that we have is the sheer manpower the Inca were capable of amassing. Some chroniclers talk about this and I think it's important because essentially, many of the mysteries of these buildings are explained if you have enough people. How did they move the blocks? Juan de Betanzos tells us, some had 1000 men working on a single block, that seems more likely to me based on the amount of terraced land, I believe the population was much greater than is typically assumed, other Spanish chroniclers tell us at any given moment 30,000 men were working on a building and that the fortress of Saqsaywaman took 4 years to build.
There's also a shrine above the main set of ruins on the same mountain at Ollantaytambo if you take the footpath at the back of the ruins, and it goes up much higher, here we find 4 doorways all constructed with field stones and no mortar, if we are to assume this is inferior construction and therefore Inca, then why would they not move the doorways there since it is much closer than across the valley. And if we are to assume those are pre-Inca, why are they not megalithic like the others?
Just some things to consider, I know we all want to believe some sensational history of a global super advanced civilization who had a pyramid under Antartica where they would have ritual hunting of alien xenomorphs with another alien species called the predator but there just isn't a lot of evidence for it, unfortunately.
It’s sad how hard it is to get the ancient aliens crowd to listen to science.
Partly because the producers of invented history always say science is The Enemy!
@@honeysucklecat yeah they are among the founders of the current anti-science movement... back to the days of Von Daniken's chariots of the gods after being charged with fraud.
I think another part of the problem is its almost personality cultish with each character having their own distinct appearance and then book with a vary slightly difference in the alien astronaut "theory" and then on top of that the whole idea of it has a religious element to it as it takes all the religions literally, so it is cunning at scamming people, I'll give it that.
Would it kill you to show a closeup of the Lintels???
You're right. I should have. And I'm going to go thru my photos too and find some more. And,, I'm going back next year. So I'll look again.
This is what we are. We are so much more than the most people think. Believe in you and what you see. This is true, not the Bla bla shit they told us. Believe! But choose wise who you adore! Shut up your ego and feel the pure. It is everywhere, all arround us. Be you! A lot of us are ready now to fight against the darkness. We will bring back the holy grail, the essence of existance from all, in the womb that embeds us. 🏹🗝💫💗
Almost looks like something should fit there. Wood be interesting for there to be stone in the shape of these doorways, to block it up completely in case of (insert natural disasters)
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They don't make them like that anymore. Philadelphia USA
Look at the walls closely and you can see the precise workmanship of the large perfect fitting stones with no cement on the bottom created by the Incas (pre-Columbian). The top portion of the wall was constructed at a much later time using much smaller and less precise stones with cement.
Thank you Harvey. I have to given to current Americans for being so courteous especially when people are inside.They had come a long way, but nevertheless they did. Indians and Pakistanis are the smartest people in the world, Africans are the best physical people, ever since I was a child I used to wait for the 4 year Olympics and for the penultimate Track and Event field, Africans by far are the Supreme, :) Every country in the world is best in some way or the other. :)
Africans by far are the Supreme Race of all the races, so please respect them, :)
Still all just speculation and conjecture.
How much would it cost our Stone Age Mason's nowadays
Geopolymer
regardless of how these stones were created, the *style* is found all over the world, and it's more than just a coincidence that so many supposedly independent cultures would create walls in this way, especially considering that anywhere this type of stonework is found, they're never overtop of older styles. this speaks to extreme age. and there cannot be any other explanation besides a lost civilization.
#God's rotten kids that fell with #Satan built that. Lazer beams. Impossible for primitive man and I'd love to see men try to do this in now #Rowl4nd99 #Gabriel #Michael baby #ahhhhh
Why are there so many blackened burnt charred looking stones and lots of small Rubble that looks like they were other stones that have been broken apart possibly by an extreme fires or explosions
@6:12 you had it right, when you said "you would swear it was made of concrete"!
It is a geo-polymer concrete made using decomposed granite , which was poured into bags and molded into these tight fitting shapes, not carved stones!
that was the big theory that has lost most of it's weight ever since the Russian geological study, funny fact is the more we study these stones the further we get from understanding how they did it !
@@ottodidakt3069 I am not remotely convinced by the Russian Study, Geopolymers are the only thing which makes sense!
Fine. Show me how you do it. When you post your video with the recipe and procedure, I’ll be the first one to admit you are correct.
@@sethhensel8441 see Paul Cook's channel he has already done it. You are welcome!
@@calenlight6817 what makes sense is what is obvious when you actually see them.
They were pounded into the shape with hand held round stones.
I’ve touched these stones. It’s obvious.
Nothing about them, any of them, have any traits that look like they were poured.
Nor is there any evidence to support geo polymers. None, except fabricated bs.
Is there any evidence to support the obvious method? Why, funny thing. There is! Lots!
So just go away with your bs.