I run a Rat pedal with gain at about 9 o clock at crunch settings and run the big muff into it. I use the Rat Pedal as an always on pedal at the end of my gain stages. I almost view it as an amp set to edge of breakup to make everything before it sound cooler.
Really glad someone decided to do this because I saw the video in question and wondered WTF made it sound like that too. It could be a number of things and I'd really like to figure it out because I have really struggled with fuzz myself. Only recently have I found pedal combos that work well. It would be nice to be able to work out what factors are making it great or crap. Rabea has a video where he uses a tube screamer after fuzz and it sounds great as well. I know that some clean Fender amps sound shrill with fuzz into them. Any Marshall style amp usually plays well with fuzz. Great video!
Plumes is not a Tubescreamer. A Big Muff into a Tubescreamer is very much like that first video, but it can be a little less terrible if you keep the gain right down on the Tubescreamer. But it's still awful. Big Muffs can sound great into overdrives or an amp just reaching that point, just generally anything with more headroom and a wider frequency response. Hence why the Plumes works well here.
The Plumes is based on a Tube Screamer but its input impedance is different. That's why they're different. A standard Tube Screamer sounds terrible in the chain but the Plumes sounds great.
Yeah I think it's mostly just down to the Plumes. It may be based on a Tubes creamer, but it's clearly made with modern players who use TSs as their main dirt into clean amps in mind, players who have a bunch of pedals and in different orders. The traditional TS cuts low nd high frequencies you don't normally notice when it's the only thing on, which makes it a great focused boost, but it's not as open as a big muff or other distortion pedals and preamps, which the original video showcases.
sounds great indeed! i was always putting my rat pedal before my hizumitas but i think i will try the other way for some nice darker overtones like this!
I read mode 1 is their customized circuit, mode 2 is more of a clean boost, and mode 3 is traditional TS. I never owned an actual TS, but in my experience plumes is similar but not the same, mildly more grit/graininess to the OD.
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedals I mean, it’s kind of a TS, but really it’s a mutated monster of TS. Like a TS who grew up in Chernobyl took steroids and got full body tattoos. It’s based on a TubeScreamer but Jamie Stillman, the designer and creator says it’s not a Tube Screamer, but it is based on a tube scream. It’s beefier.
That sounds very good, and it actually retains the muff's fuzzy and "loose" character. I've had results similar to the guy with the Triangle and Tube Screamer myself, using an MXR Custom Badass OD and a Deluxe Big Muff. That was many years ago, so I might give it another shot after watching this video. My guess is that the difference between the setups is actually the lower headroom of the Tube Screamer vs the Plumes.
Fuck, that sounds is awesome and, but as you can't explain why it did not sound good in the video of the other guy, I can't explain why it sound so great in yours. I used to have a Big Muff Pi Tone Wicker. I plugged it into my Jekyll & Hyde V2 (2 pedal in 1 : one side is a TS808 circuit with more volume, but not less gain) and it sounded like shit, just like the other dude. I replace my Big Muff with a Manx Loaghtan from Catalinbread (Big Muff circuit too), and the results were the same. I think there is a tweak in the Plumes circuit, maybe a internal voltage up, or something that increase the headroom, so it doesn't add compression and gain, or at least, less than an original TS808/TS9, but still gives that mid hump. The problem is, the Big muff is so heavily compressed, that anything that add a slighty more compression after it just crush the sound. However, you tweak the gain knob on the Plumes during the video, and the sound stay the same. Sooooo, I don't know ? Maybe if you have the opportunity one day to borrow a original TS808/9, make a second video and try to find a explanation to all of this ? Cheers,
You should've shown your setup reversed too. I still think that TS into Big Muff is the way, cause stacking gain low to high makes more sense to me, but you got great tones in the vid
The main thing is to choose which sound you want to be more prominent at the end of the chain. Fuzz pedals are extremely scooped with no mid range. To get the fuzz sound while having a thick mid range, tube screamer at the end makes sense. An EQ pedal would also do the trick
Idk, there’s technically no “wrong” way, but it’s generally recommended (and in my experience) to stack from high to low gain, unless you want to boost the high gain to be more distorted. Think of the OD pedal as your amp already distorted with the muff going into that.
The source video you are referencing sounds like he plugged the tube screamer straight into an audio interface. Of course it is going to sound awful if you do not run it through a preamp and amp.
I Just recently buy the JHS muffuletta and hear this sound you get out the pedal with the Plumes was amazing, is there any other combos for the muffuletta that you love, would you please share those? i would love to hear from your experience
@@Crunchy_Black not exactly muffuletta, but a cheap china big muff into a clone of plexi drive marvel3, those are weedeater tonevideos, i just cant afford to buy a real marvel3)) so with the original pedals it can just be better
Guy did a pretty good muff shootout video, but yes, he is WRONG....and you are my dude, Uncle D. I'm enjoying watching you grow and this video inspired me to sit down and start work on a plumes inspired screamer to go with the green muff with added goodies I just finished. And yes, you are right in the comment below, the plumes is a TS.
yeah the circuit on the butique looking "tube screamer was not a real tube scremer circuit, its actually better, but if you run an ibanez TS into any muff circuit it will sound great, other way round is garbage, with vintage fuzz people say you run OD after and ive heard that sound great, the 30 dollar Behringer Superfuzz has one setting sounds like an op amp big muff, another more like the classic one and a boost that gets dirty as you take the level over 50%
Youre using a tube screamer clone on the ts808 setting and it’s true bypass, whereas the other guy was using a ts9 with a buffered bypass, that shit matters and it’s why you both got wildly different results
vintage fUZZ circuits as well as some others like the Behringer superfzz sound best like ur doig, mmmy op a big mmmmuf st have OD or dist first, superfuzz doesnt care, MOST. Modern circits really sound PURE shit. BEER IINKEYBOARD SORRY
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedals It's not. It has some similarities but there are some pretty drastic changes. Plumes is much higher gain and has much more top end than a regular tubescreamer. Also the clipping is different. The TS9 and TS808 are nearly identical however. Much closer than the TS808 and the Plumes.
I'm beginning to think that the answer is to have an od before and an od after. That way you get the best of both worlds.
Tube screamers are cool but Muff into RAT is the CORRECT CORRECT way.
I run a Rat pedal with gain at about 9 o clock at crunch settings and run the big muff into it. I use the Rat Pedal as an always on pedal at the end of my gain stages. I almost view it as an amp set to edge of breakup to make everything before it sound cooler.
For the Doom Gods to show up, yes. However.... The mid-range boost in the screamer is basically making the Muff do more work.
Other way around is my fave, try it. (Rat into muff)
And then into screamer (rat->muff->ts)
Really glad someone decided to do this because I saw the video in question and wondered WTF made it sound like that too. It could be a number of things and I'd really like to figure it out because I have really struggled with fuzz myself. Only recently have I found pedal combos that work well. It would be nice to be able to work out what factors are making it great or crap. Rabea has a video where he uses a tube screamer after fuzz and it sounds great as well. I know that some clean Fender amps sound shrill with fuzz into them. Any Marshall style amp usually plays well with fuzz. Great video!
Running my muff into a klon is like running a fire hose through a funnel. It takes all that power and gives it shape and definition.
There is no correct way.
Plumes is not a Tubescreamer. A Big Muff into a Tubescreamer is very much like that first video, but it can be a little less terrible if you keep the gain right down on the Tubescreamer. But it's still awful.
Big Muffs can sound great into overdrives or an amp just reaching that point, just generally anything with more headroom and a wider frequency response. Hence why the Plumes works well here.
The Plumes is based on a Tube Screamer but its input impedance is different. That's why they're different. A standard Tube Screamer sounds terrible in the chain but the Plumes sounds great.
No it doesn’t guilmorish sounds wit a little delay there’s no bad or wrong way
Yeah I think it's mostly just down to the Plumes. It may be based on a Tubes creamer, but it's clearly made with modern players who use TSs as their main dirt into clean amps in mind, players who have a bunch of pedals and in different orders. The traditional TS cuts low nd high frequencies you don't normally notice when it's the only thing on, which makes it a great focused boost, but it's not as open as a big muff or other distortion pedals and preamps, which the original video showcases.
sounds great indeed! i was always putting my rat pedal before my hizumitas but i think i will try the other way for some nice darker overtones like this!
To be fair, Plumes isn’t an actual tube screamer.
What is it then?)
Yes, Plumes is a tube screamer. Literally the same circuit with maybe some different values selected for resistors to let in a little more low end.
I read mode 1 is their customized circuit, mode 2 is more of a clean boost, and mode 3 is traditional TS. I never owned an actual TS, but in my experience plumes is similar but not the same, mildly more grit/graininess to the OD.
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedals I mean, it’s kind of a TS, but really it’s a mutated monster of TS. Like a TS who grew up in Chernobyl took steroids and got full body tattoos.
It’s based on a TubeScreamer but Jamie Stillman, the designer and creator says it’s not a Tube Screamer, but it is based on a tube scream. It’s beefier.
@@coltonmuri3672 Read my above reply. It’s based on the circuit, but it’s transformed a bunch to be its own thing.
That sounds very good, and it actually retains the muff's fuzzy and "loose" character. I've had results similar to the guy with the Triangle and Tube Screamer myself, using an MXR Custom Badass OD and a Deluxe Big Muff. That was many years ago, so I might give it another shot after watching this video. My guess is that the difference between the setups is actually the lower headroom of the Tube Screamer vs the Plumes.
I do Tube Screamer into Muff for one thing and one thing only: playing My Bloody Valentine
Fuck, that sounds is awesome and, but as you can't explain why it did not sound good in the video of the other guy, I can't explain why it sound so great in yours.
I used to have a Big Muff Pi Tone Wicker. I plugged it into my Jekyll & Hyde V2 (2 pedal in 1 : one side is a TS808 circuit with more volume, but not less gain) and it sounded like shit, just like the other dude.
I replace my Big Muff with a Manx Loaghtan from Catalinbread (Big Muff circuit too), and the results were the same.
I think there is a tweak in the Plumes circuit, maybe a internal voltage up, or something that increase the headroom, so it doesn't add compression and gain, or at least, less than an original TS808/TS9, but still gives that mid hump. The problem is, the Big muff is so heavily compressed, that anything that add a slighty more compression after it just crush the sound. However, you tweak the gain knob on the Plumes during the video, and the sound stay the same. Sooooo, I don't know ?
Maybe if you have the opportunity one day to borrow a original TS808/9, make a second video and try to find a explanation to all of this ?
Cheers,
Yeah that sounds reasonable, I'll give it a try when I have an opportunity to lay my hands on og ts
You should've shown your setup reversed too. I still think that TS into Big Muff is the way, cause stacking gain low to high makes more sense to me, but you got great tones in the vid
The main thing is to choose which sound you want to be more prominent at the end of the chain. Fuzz pedals are extremely scooped with no mid range. To get the fuzz sound while having a thick mid range, tube screamer at the end makes sense. An EQ pedal would also do the trick
Idk, there’s technically no “wrong” way, but it’s generally recommended (and in my experience) to stack from high to low gain, unless you want to boost the high gain to be more distorted. Think of the OD pedal as your amp already distorted with the muff going into that.
I really need to pick up a plumes next. Been using a ts808 for over a decade but really love the tone and looks of the plumes
The source video you are referencing sounds like he plugged the tube screamer straight into an audio interface. Of course it is going to sound awful if you do not run it through a preamp and amp.
Shoot, I've been doing this all wrong. Thnx
No you can use it the other way for power crunch if you like serious metal sound it all depends what your looking for
Haha! If that's how yours sound that way around, they'll sound EVEN BETTER when you switch them! That's just logic, Doomers.
Add delay and some secret adjustments to this and you are guilmore
I Just recently buy the JHS muffuletta and hear this sound you get out the pedal with the Plumes was amazing, is there any other combos for the muffuletta that you love, would you please share those? i would love to hear from your experience
I can recommend using into Plexi drive pedal, this gives incredible Weedeater sound
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedals Oh thank you for the combo any chance of having a video of it like this one with plumes?
@@neblinamorado yeah. I have 2, vids of that
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedalsyou demoed the muffuletta into the plexi drive? I would love to watch that video but I can’t find it on your channel
@@Crunchy_Black not exactly muffuletta, but a cheap china big muff into a clone of plexi drive marvel3, those are weedeater tonevideos, i just cant afford to buy a real marvel3))
so with the original pedals it can just be better
Kinda Tony iomi sabbath sound sweet
Guy did a pretty good muff shootout video, but yes, he is WRONG....and you are my dude, Uncle D. I'm enjoying watching you grow and this video inspired me to sit down and start work on a plumes inspired screamer to go with the green muff with added goodies I just finished. And yes, you are right in the comment below, the plumes is a TS.
Thx! I wish you an easy and pleasant build process)
yeah the circuit on the butique looking "tube screamer was not a real tube scremer circuit, its actually better, but if you run an ibanez TS into any muff circuit it will sound great, other way round is garbage, with vintage fuzz people say you run OD after and ive heard that sound great, the 30 dollar Behringer Superfuzz has one setting sounds like an op amp big muff, another more like the classic one and a boost that gets dirty as you take the level over 50%
I like using muff before Plexi drive pedal (like catalinbread dirty little secret) with maxed gain, sounds huge
I just love the discussion is video format. For me, the TS and Plumes are different enough to justify the difference, and both vids have good merit
Youre using a tube screamer clone on the ts808 setting and it’s true bypass, whereas the other guy was using a ts9 with a buffered bypass, that shit matters and it’s why you both got wildly different results
but the big muff is decent and the tubescreamer is the worst pedal ever
OM 👍
vintage fUZZ circuits as well as some others like the Behringer superfzz sound best like ur doig, mmmy op a big mmmmuf st have OD or dist first, superfuzz doesnt care, MOST. Modern circits really sound PURE shit. BEER IINKEYBOARD SORRY
That's irony right? Because the Plumes is literally NOT a tubescreamer.
i heard the guy who made it said that it is literally a tubescreamer 808 schematic)
Derp...
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedals It's not. It has some similarities but there are some pretty drastic changes. Plumes is much higher gain and has much more top end than a regular tubescreamer. Also the clipping is different. The TS9 and TS808 are nearly identical however. Much closer than the TS808 and the Plumes.
I still stand by my opinion, that plumes is just slightly tweaked tube screamer, the base is the same
@@uncledimitarsguitarpedalsIt's really not though. They have some similarities but they are very very different.
Indeed, this is the correct way. 😈
What tuning is that?
Drop C