I believe the "social" side of church is more important in today's world than the "worship" side of it. I liked the idea that instead of being preached to, ppl sit and meditate. It seems more spiritual than religious & having been an atheist for a long time, it seems a very positive experience and unlike other religious churches ive seen. the lady in the 1st part said that you worship "god" whatever your idea of "god" is & that one sentence may have made me want 2 find out more bout this grp.
People's personal beliefs are kept more or less to themselves, and so their ideas, which may be conflicting, are rarely brought out. I am a nontheist quaker, and so when we read the bible in first day school, i simply work to interpret the messages and ignore the things about God and miracles and the sort. It works out very well. I think that the Quaker faith will grow in the future because more and more people will have a sense of appeal to a free worship and not strictly organized service.
This is the second part of a 28 minute DVD (RUclips restrict videos to 10 minutes). I think you will get a more balanced picture if you also view part 1 which covers worship, where God is central for most Quakers.
Great videos...I have to wonder: Since some Quakers are not Christian and some are even NonTheists, are there ever any "earth shattering" disagreements or bad feelings between members? Or does everyone allow each other to exist peacefully in the group with their individual beliefs? Thanks and once again...Nice videos..Very informative!
This seems very nice and gentle. However, my concern is that this sort of meeting could become a 'social club' rather than worship of the Christian God.
@waynie11 from which book do you get this information? George Fox was not a theologian Pa se, he sought God and found Him, the bible should not assert something to be believed but God reveals Himself in the bible as triune and see anyother way God says about Himself. Barclay the Quaker Theologian explains this well.
George Fox. It's not "thin air", unless you would consider the Holy Spirit as such, I wouldn't. Some of us quakers are more evangelical/orthodox than others for sure but the same could be said about the members of almost any church.
"we read the bible in first day school, i simply work to interpret the messages and ignore the things about God and miracles and the sort." -- that's quite strange...... although we do that with every book we read, it's a bit confusing for me to read a bible like that...!! :o
What are they worshiping? It seems to me John Fox was very well answered by Richard Baxter in various writings. Do you really think God would leave us to try to catch spirituality from thin air?
@ubersoxfanjpm I woudn't want to be judgemental but when you say 'free worship' whom do you worship? Baal?SELF? air? nothing? the first quaker quaked at what?
@pauliyai I worship nothing. I just go, embrace the stillness and contemplate things, not God or anything like that though. I just take meeting as my time for settling.
how horrible, that someone would watch this video, and these good wholesome people, and the first thing they can say is, "THAT'S NOT CHRISTIANITY THEY'RE WRONG!!!"
if you worship nothing, you have no business going to a quaker house of meeting. The pioneer quakers worshipped the Almighty God and the quaker faith is founded on God and in Jesus Christ who is the Light and that of God in Every man. We believe in the Triune God. Why can t you join the Bidhist who worship "nothing"?
the founder of Quakerism, George Fox, explains that the bible does not assert the trinity, that is a catholic construct, so if you're talking about a triune God, you're not talking about primitive christianity/Quakerism. Also, the point of quakerism is be still in the spirit from which the scriptures were created, the scriptures are not necessary, just useful.
True Quakerism is Centered on Jesus Christ. Read George Fox, If you are Quaking in the fear of God you are a true Quaker, if you do not have a very real fear ( respect) of Jesus , then you are probably not a Quaker, but possibly another variation of contemplative religion. My Ancestors were all Very Holy God fearing Quakers for several generations. This new variation of Quakers who do not believe in Jesus or the Bible as the Authority of all spiritual discernment is not The Original Quaker/Primitive Belief. Unfortunately many people prefer to be politically correct than to be scripturally correct. I am not equipped to Judge the heart of any child of God, But I do believe that we must mind the Bible as the standard to Judge all personal revelation against, and if the personal revelation does not agree with the Bible, I would defer to the Biblical understanding of the matter. Blessings to you all.
I believe the "social" side of church is more important in today's world than the "worship" side of it. I liked the idea that instead of being preached to, ppl sit and meditate. It seems more spiritual than religious & having been an atheist for a long time, it seems a very positive experience and unlike other religious churches ive seen. the lady in the 1st part said that you worship "god" whatever your idea of "god" is & that one sentence may have made me want 2 find out more bout this grp.
People's personal beliefs are kept more or less to themselves, and so their ideas, which may be conflicting, are rarely brought out. I am a nontheist quaker, and so when we read the bible in first day school, i simply work to interpret the messages and ignore the things about God and miracles and the sort. It works out very well. I think that the Quaker faith will grow in the future because more and more people will have a sense of appeal to a free worship and not strictly organized service.
looking forward to part 3!
This is the second part of a 28 minute DVD (RUclips restrict videos to 10 minutes). I think you will get a more balanced picture if you also view part 1 which covers worship, where God is central for most Quakers.
This is awesome!
Really interesting videos, thank you. I work in the area where your group has a meeting house in Reading, and I feel more tempted to trying out.
This is just amazing. Unfortunately in Poland (where I live), there are no Quakers communities.
no. it's not hard, because i feel that the Bible is not to be taken literally, and so the message and allegory and all that come out. It's wonderful.
Great videos...I have to wonder: Since some Quakers are not Christian and some are even NonTheists, are there ever any "earth shattering" disagreements or bad feelings between members? Or does everyone allow each other to exist peacefully in the group with their individual beliefs? Thanks and once again...Nice videos..Very informative!
Thank you.
This seems very nice and gentle. However, my concern is that this sort of meeting could become a 'social club' rather than worship of the Christian God.
@waynie11 from which book do you get this information? George Fox was not a theologian Pa se, he sought God and found Him, the bible should not assert something to be believed but God reveals Himself in the bible as triune and see anyother way God says about Himself. Barclay the Quaker Theologian explains this well.
George Fox. It's not "thin air", unless you would consider the Holy Spirit as such, I wouldn't. Some of us quakers are more evangelical/orthodox than others for sure but the same could be said about the members of almost any church.
"we read the bible in first day school, i simply work to interpret the messages and ignore the things about God and miracles and the sort." -- that's quite strange...... although we do that with every book we read, it's a bit confusing for me to read a bible like that...!! :o
What are they worshiping? It seems to me John Fox was very well answered by Richard Baxter in various writings. Do you really think God would leave us to try to catch spirituality from thin air?
I'm sure they would make you very welcome.
@ubersoxfanjpm I woudn't want to be judgemental but when you say 'free worship' whom do you worship? Baal?SELF? air? nothing? the first quaker quaked at what?
@pauliyai I worship nothing. I just go, embrace the stillness and contemplate things, not God or anything like that though. I just take meeting as my time for settling.
how horrible, that someone would watch this video, and these good wholesome people, and the first thing they can say is, "THAT'S NOT CHRISTIANITY THEY'RE WRONG!!!"
Have you seen part 1?
if you worship nothing, you have no business going to a quaker house of meeting. The pioneer quakers worshipped the Almighty God and the quaker faith is founded on God and in Jesus Christ who is the Light and that of God in Every man. We believe in the Triune God. Why can t you join the Bidhist who worship "nothing"?
Yes, I have. I like this very much but I'm not
the founder of Quakerism, George Fox, explains that the bible does not assert the trinity, that is a catholic construct, so if you're talking about a triune God, you're not talking about primitive christianity/Quakerism. Also, the point of quakerism is be still in the spirit from which the scriptures were created, the scriptures are not necessary, just useful.
True Quakerism is Centered on Jesus Christ. Read George Fox, If you are Quaking in the fear of God you are a true Quaker, if you do not have a very real fear ( respect) of Jesus , then you are probably not a Quaker, but possibly another variation of contemplative religion. My Ancestors were all Very Holy God fearing Quakers for several generations. This new variation of Quakers who do not believe in Jesus or the Bible as the Authority of all spiritual discernment is not The Original Quaker/Primitive Belief. Unfortunately many people prefer to be politically correct than to be scripturally correct. I am not equipped to Judge the heart of any child of God, But I do believe that we must mind the Bible as the standard to Judge all personal revelation against, and if the personal revelation does not agree with the Bible, I would defer to the Biblical understanding of the matter. Blessings to you all.