Destabilising the track on an embankment that already had suffered a slip was why a track bourn crane could not be used. The Locomotive was also believed to be damaged making higher salvage expense prohibitive. Details are here.......... www.railengineer.uk/2013/11/04/written-off/
Oh and to add to my comment below, the route was closed for less than two weeks while the recovery of the tanker wagons and repairs to the track and trackside took place. The scrapping and changes to the site took place around a live working track.....
That must have been bloody terrifying for the driver. QTS had been there for a week previously recovering his underpants! 7 days, 800 man hours..... 1 (brown) accident!
Well, they got a lot of good used parts, I'm amazed that it looks like they even restored the land where they built the road to it's original condition, you don't see that on csx.
This job was started at 0600, lift complete by 1500,, signalling and reinstated line, locomotive towed over 80 mile back to base. packed up at 2230 Same day ! ruclips.net/video/iAZkvDKomhs/видео.html
@@RobertdMacGregor makes me wonder. In germany we got some big ass railroad cranes for jobs like this www.mining-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/04/kirow.jpg
I don't claim to be any kind of expert, however I have seen old b&w pics of steam locomotives being pulled up considerably steeper grades for longer distances. I would think the weight would be similar and wonder if they could do it 75 years ago why they can't pull it off today?
Два с половиной месяца играть в Iego. Советские железные дороги подняли бы "без демонтажа, и за пару дней", На КАЖДОЙ большой станции есть кран на железнодорожном ходу.
Wow. It amazes me as to the amount of idiots saying "just re-rail it" or "We'd be able to re-rail that in the US." Guess what! This isn't America, this is in Scotland a place where it is physically impossible to re-rail a Class 66. How hard is it to understand the phrase impossible? It just can't be done, thus why the cheapest and only option of scrapping on site was chosen. It's not hard to see why this was the only option available if you just watch the time lapse.
Hey there, I think some of us now understand this, I am a 25 year railroader and never been to Scotland tho I wish to visit. America is very different and have had to deal with millions of challenges in railroading in undeveloped areas witch is pretty much the vast majority of our land. There is hundreds of miles where the only man made structure is the railway its self. Check out this wreck that happened in 2010 rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2319448 It is way out in the country in a canyon, luckily most of the 100 car train did not fall into the river. The two locomotives were recovered and back in service in a matter of months despite serious damage to the 4580.
Mike, you see, we can afford to buy a new locomotive, or hire in an old one, we don't need to restore it, plus, the image you linked isn't on as big a slope as this one is, our railways are far more superior then your's, quicker, more efficient railways...
looks like they are actually disassembling the locomotive to be reassembled later. if they were scrapping there would be torches involved and I saw no evidence of that.
Yes, "DMHDTrains - Too the everywhere," you're so much better than everyone else. Nor does your shit stink. And even in British English, the words are "than yours" with no bloody apostrophe needed. Arrogant fool!
The chassis was most probably scrapped, the other major components would most likely of been inspected, repaired/refurbished then put into spare stores for other members of the class to use when needed.
How come they didn’t float it out with several million helium party balloons? It just seems so simple. How come they didn’t think of that? I’d like some sort of explanation. Yes siree!
Two possible reasons: 1. The contracting firm's managers were afraid of another Cleveland-style debacle. ruclips.net/video/niXWEFYFZtM/видео.html 2. The recovery-team couldn't resist huffing the helium for its droll Donald-Duck-voice effect. ruclips.net/video/i5jB7wjO00s/видео.html ( ಠ ͜ʖಠ)
it's not four miles from the nearest access, four miles from a road maybe, but its on the railway, and before privatisation wrecked the railways organisation, would ve been recovered by rail crane in a day or two, writing off a locomotive is rediculous and highlights the appalling state of the railways in Britain today
We need a list of all the arm-chair engineers who we can call upon for the next project. Having worked near rolling stock in my first year out of college let me tell you this stuff is heavy, The trucks with their drive motors, the generator, the diesel and then add how far away (moment = length plus weight)) they are from the only flat surface you could magically get a crane of suffient capacity. The engine itself was 22 tons. 85% parts recovery is pretty good as expensive and as long a life as many assemblies are.
Ich verstehe den Aufwand nicht! Wo LKW´s und Bagger hinfahren können, können auch Mobilkrane fahren. Und es wird hoffentlich auch in Schottland Eisenbahnkrane geben. Zwei Kräne heben die Lok ohne große Anstengung wieder aufs Gleis oder zumindest auf Rollböcke zum Abtransport. Das Ganze ist in max. 5 Tagen erledigt ohne die Lok zu zerlegen!
Those ships are thoroughly cleaned and stripped of reusable components before being sunk. Done the same to this then all would be left is the chassis which cant be left
They could have built temporary track from the derailed loco to the main track and pull it back up. Instead, they spent hundreds of man-hours to disassemble the loco and then crate the parts, for shipment to the maintenance depot and then reassemble the loco. Unless I'm missing something obvious, this operation makes no sense.
Read my post above before flapping your lips, disassembled parts will be recycled by the insurance company, you would have rebuilt the loco, yes there is no wonder your country has so many derailments and accidents, you only have to look around on RUclips to see the accidents your railroads have, so shut your silly yap as you know fuck-all about any type of recovery, we think safety first in our country.
Well, truth be know Flash would NOT have rerailed it in 30 minutes but we also would not screw around for 70 days getting it out. I believe that is the difference between people in business in America and government workers in Scotland.
Why couldn't they just have a crane lift it and rerail it? It would have taken like a few hours instead of a few months. I'd really like an explanation please.
Koala Koala it was in an awkward place on a hill, and its a extremely heavy locomotive, i'm sure if it was possible for them to lift it they would have
+Alex Mitchel +Jonah Betgen Here is a Wreck in the far rural country of the USA with very limited access and both locos were recovered and back in service in a matter of months, despite severe damage. rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2319448
But they are very expensive and its better to disassemble them and keep them as parts to build another one. Its a waste of resources just to leave it as it is..
In the US, we would rerail it, take it to the shops, refrurbish it and put it back to work, all in a week. But if you must work through a sweaty pile of MBAs, I suppose this is what you get.
For a derailment where it sits beside teh line, that's probably possible, but there was nothing lineside to brace a crane for a lift at that distance from the track, and that weight. As for a refurb taking a week, I think you've been walking in the Scottish fields, and have something that fell out the back of a highland cow on your shoe. . . Bullsh*t.
Nice work! But PLEASE DON'T replace diesel engine unit! Instead convert locomotive to ELECTRIC! Get new step-down transformer, pantographs (x2), and other related electrical components and put old diesel generating set in museum!
Thats a class 66, one of the strongest engines in britain, and you are telling me we should convert it? Nice try, but itll take 4 months to set up a design for that, and it maybe not even work. (extra): US passenger lines are all electrified, but for britain, only 30% is electrified
Danilo Peterson locomotive was scrapped. And I dont understand the other comment about "all passenger lines un US electrified". That is not true, UK has more km of electrified tracks than USA...
use electrics do not insult the railways electrics are a waste of time get a gust of wind or some one leans on the cantenery up rights they fall over or the cables tangle bring back steam at least with steam you would not have to rely on people having to put up with strikes or the lack of carriages or personnel ect steam rules and do not for get it lol.
So many idiots on here giving the world the benefit of their expertise. Sure it could have been lifted, but it was thought to already be wrecked beyond economical repair. So rather than recover the wreck intact they scrapped it in place. It would have been difficult to recover without closing the West Highland Line and cutting much of the north west of Scotland off from the fuel and goods that line carries.
Here in Delson Expo-rail museum, we would've been honored to have # 66734 under our museum roof, right besides #4495, the " Dominion of Canada " that we cherish and pamper. A JT42CWR is one locomotive we don't have in our roster. We don't see much Class 66 on our rail system in " The great white north ".
They are not bad, just a bit different built, the chassis actually looks stronger then the European built ones for this type of locomotive, maybe heavier, but it will do it´s work and it´s not a bad locomotive concept.
Pitiful operation. In Canada, that small ( by North American standards) loco would have been lifted or pulled up to trackside and on the rails again in week.
They couldn't lift it with a crane due to potential embankment destabilisation caused by incident its self anyway the parts got put into other locos or recycled
Getting in the railways train wreck cranes would have been faster. That choice might have been adversely affected by the very cranes being owned by their competitors
For a derailment where it sits beside the line, that's probably possible, but there was nothing lineside to brace a crane for a lift at that distance from the track, and that weight.
railway cranes are obsolete, they only life small objects like coal wagons(not hoppers), if it were to apple pressure on a 10 tonne locomotive, itll simply fall in with it
Oooh, a giant 1:1 scale Class 66 kit!
Fascinating!! I'm amazed that digger could lift the engine, it must be a colossal weight, thought you'd need a crane!
A very professional recovery and cleanup of the site huts off to the personnel involved.
very nice work, hats off to those guys. Absolutely amazing
Fascinating time-lapse of recovery. thanks!
Destabilising the track on an embankment that already had suffered a slip was why a track bourn crane could not be used. The Locomotive was also believed to be damaged making higher salvage expense prohibitive. Details are here.......... www.railengineer.uk/2013/11/04/written-off/
Very interesting to watch, thanks for posting it.
Very interesting video, thank you for posting.
Amazing video ! 👍💯
Oh and to add to my comment below, the route was closed for less than two weeks while the recovery of the tanker wagons and repairs to the track and trackside took place. The scrapping and changes to the site took place around a live working track.....
Lots of work
Nice finished landscaping
That must have been bloody terrifying for the driver. QTS had been there for a week previously recovering his underpants! 7 days, 800 man hours..... 1 (brown) accident!
Talk about doing it one piece at time...that 2as awesome
Fantastic insight into a difficult job Thanks for sharing
Kudos to all those hard workers...... and video!!!
Amaizing is all I can say Bravo good job👍👍👍👍👍
Cool time lapse. Immense amount of labor. Good job
NICE ONE GUYS...
Very SAFE and VERY professional workers ...
A Whole Dismantle WOW
That's amazing. They picked that train apart like ants on a chicken drumstick left on the ground.
68 cloudy days... damn..!
Henry Rollins is a 66
Never been to Scotland then? What you see in the vid is our good weather!
I daresay the driver would have needed a change of pants after careening down the bank, heading for the water!
R.I.P This Class 66
Well, they got a lot of good used parts, I'm amazed that it looks like they even restored the land where they built the road to it's original condition, you don't see that on csx.
Impressive & InTeReStiNg (however I would have switched out the steel tires for rubber-knobbies and just "drove it out". But that's just me :)
So many professionals on here that would have done it differently. Makes you wonder why you weren't contacted for your advice.
You tube is full of armchair subject matter experts, they've seen it on tv or the internet and are fully qualified now.
TheHoipoloi because they're just mentally retarded Autistic idiots IRL.
If that were my train I’d fill it with helium and pick it up boom done.
Always a spectacular !
This job was started at 0600, lift complete by 1500,, signalling and reinstated line, locomotive towed over 80 mile back to base. packed up at 2230 Same day ! ruclips.net/video/iAZkvDKomhs/видео.html
Amazing video.
Looks like ants dismantling a grasshopper.
Yes, I think it's time someone started to keep an eye on ants.
I've noticed them using heavy lifting machinery of late, too.
lol very funny lmao you silly sod
I wonder what the cost of recovery was, in comparison to the worth of the loco ?
Just amazed it was a write off. twisted chassis?
Unable to recover it in one piece due the location
@@RobertdMacGregor makes me wonder. In germany we got some big ass railroad cranes for jobs like this www.mining-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/04/kirow.jpg
And all that was the best option? Wow!
I don't claim to be any kind of expert, however I have seen old b&w pics of steam locomotives being pulled up considerably steeper grades for longer distances. I would think the weight would be similar and wonder if they could do it 75 years ago why they can't pull it off today?
It is a shame that the engine could not be saved
Два с половиной месяца играть в Iego. Советские железные дороги подняли бы "без демонтажа, и за пару дней", На КАЖДОЙ большой станции есть кран на железнодорожном ходу.
Nice video
It seems like recovering the loco costs more than buying a new one.
Skier Evan yes but why buy a new one when they would still have to have it removed at some point
Wow. It amazes me as to the amount of idiots saying "just re-rail it" or "We'd be able to re-rail that in the US." Guess what! This isn't America, this is in Scotland a place where it is physically impossible to re-rail a Class 66. How hard is it to understand the phrase impossible? It just can't be done, thus why the cheapest and only option of scrapping on site was chosen. It's not hard to see why this was the only option available if you just watch the time lapse.
Hey there, I think some of us now understand this, I am a 25 year railroader and never been to Scotland tho I wish to visit. America is very different and have had to deal with millions of challenges in railroading in undeveloped areas witch is pretty much the vast majority of our land. There is hundreds of miles where the only man made structure is the railway its self. Check out this wreck that happened in 2010 rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2319448 It is way out in the country in a canyon, luckily most of the 100 car train did not fall into the river. The two locomotives were recovered and back in service in a matter of months despite serious damage to the 4580.
Mike, you see, we can afford to buy a new locomotive, or hire in an old one, we don't need to restore it, plus, the image you linked isn't on as big a slope as this one is, our railways are far more superior then your's, quicker, more efficient railways...
looks like they are actually disassembling the locomotive to be reassembled later. if they were scrapping there would be torches involved and I saw no evidence of that.
if you watch again, you can clearly see it being cut up.!!!!!
Yes, "DMHDTrains - Too the everywhere," you're so much better than everyone else. Nor does your shit stink.
And even in British English, the words are "than yours" with no bloody apostrophe needed.
Arrogant fool!
I could have pulled that loco back up the hill and onto the tracks with my 2wd Chebby in about 8 minutes without spilling my beer.
Well done! That looked like a real pain. I wonder how much coffee, tea scotch and Ben gay went into that job.
Poor 66 :(
Did this locomotive have two v series engines in it? Sort of like 2 V12s maybe?
Scotty could have just zapped that thing out of there with the transporter. Beam me up Scotty.
Rube Goldberg couldn't have done it any better.
What happened to the loco in the end? Did it get scrapped, or put back together?
It was obviously scrapped. A pity it is
The chassis was most probably scrapped, the other major components would most likely of been inspected, repaired/refurbished then put into spare stores for other members of the class to use when needed.
They field stripped that little puppy. are they going to put it back together at the shop?what caused it to do down the hil?
Interesting! 70 days to clean up what took seconds to create.
Recovery? That loco just got dismantled.
And now the movie of the rebuild....?
Awesome, just like watching ants at work!
How come they didn’t float it out with several million helium party balloons? It just seems so simple. How come they didn’t think of that? I’d like some sort of explanation. Yes siree!
Two possible reasons:
1. The contracting firm's managers were afraid of another Cleveland-style debacle. ruclips.net/video/niXWEFYFZtM/видео.html
2. The recovery-team couldn't resist huffing the helium for its droll Donald-Duck-voice effect. ruclips.net/video/i5jB7wjO00s/видео.html
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vid-worthy!
tidy job!
Should have used D8s with side booms, would have saved a lot of work!!
i have too play the video in slowmo :)
it's not four miles from the nearest access, four miles from a road maybe, but its on the railway, and before privatisation wrecked the railways organisation, would ve been recovered by rail crane in a day or two, writing off a locomotive is rediculous and highlights the appalling state of the railways in Britain today
Absolute nonsense .
We need a list of all the arm-chair engineers who we can call upon for the next project. Having worked near rolling stock in my first year out of college let me tell you this stuff is heavy, The trucks with their drive motors, the generator, the diesel and then add how far away (moment = length plus weight)) they are from the only flat surface you could magically get a crane of suffient capacity. The engine itself was 22 tons. 85% parts recovery is pretty good as expensive and as long a life as many assemblies are.
so did they end up scrapping the loco?
JintySteam the loco was scrapped but the cab top is stored at a TMD
Read the end, most of the locos components were reusable, so would of been refurbished and put into spares stores for other 66's
Engine now powers 66779.
Ich verstehe den Aufwand nicht! Wo LKW´s und Bagger hinfahren können, können auch Mobilkrane fahren. Und es wird hoffentlich auch in Schottland Eisenbahnkrane geben. Zwei Kräne heben die Lok ohne große Anstengung wieder aufs Gleis oder zumindest auf Rollböcke zum Abtransport. Das Ganze ist in max. 5 Tagen erledigt ohne die Lok zu zerlegen!
What they need is a big airship that can just pick it up and take it away.
doesnt exist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CargoLifter Loco is 127 tons
I would of just left it there and let the squirrels live in it. Like ships that have sunk and create artificial reefs.
Those ships are thoroughly cleaned and stripped of reusable components before being sunk. Done the same to this then all would be left is the chassis which cant be left
rick hctep well aren't you just a little ray of sunshine NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU SAY!!!
This was obviously light hearted. Leave it to youtube to get pissed
They could have built temporary track from the derailed loco to the main track and pull it back up. Instead, they spent hundreds of man-hours to disassemble the loco and then crate the parts, for shipment to the maintenance depot and then reassemble the loco. Unless I'm missing something obvious, this operation makes no sense.
msotil No, they scrapped the locomotive. I understand the place restrictions, but I think that the loco could have been saved.
Read my post above before flapping your lips, disassembled parts will be recycled by the insurance company, you would have rebuilt the loco, yes there is no wonder your country has so many derailments and accidents, you only have to look around on RUclips to see the accidents your railroads have, so shut your silly yap as you know fuck-all about any type of recovery, we think safety first in our country.
msotil it was cheeper to use it for parts as the frame may have twisted fule tank may have been crushed.
Why couldn't they just lift it with two helicopters and put it back on the rails?
That's good question, Why can't they get crane to lift that Class 66 back on Tracks?
Why didn't you use like 2 biggish cranes it would of been easier
Ben Harris no dummy the is no road and it can not go back on track so that's wy
How did the train derail ???
landslide
What about a heavy lift helicopter and fly it out ,,would be a cost saving measure!
Well, truth be know Flash would NOT have rerailed it in 30 minutes but we also would not screw around for 70 days getting it out. I believe that is the difference between people in business in America and government workers in Scotland.
*insurance company
Why couldn't they just have a crane lift it and rerail it? It would have taken like a few hours instead of a few months. I'd really like an explanation please.
Koala Koala it was in an awkward place on a hill, and its a extremely heavy locomotive, i'm sure if it was possible for them to lift it they would have
Koala Koala There is currently no Crane that can lift such heavy things. espacially at a place like that one...
+Alex Mitchel +Jonah Betgen Here is a Wreck in the far rural country of the USA with very limited access and both locos were recovered and back in service in a matter of months, despite severe damage. rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2319448
This loco is an british Class 66/59. This derailment also occured in Scottland btw...
Cost. It was cheaper for the insurance company to pay to have it chopped up and removed than it would have been to have it salvaged as a whole unit.
Further to my comments, now I see why they did this inefficient operation: The insurance company paid for it all.
Must be easier to buy a new one and leave it there. 🤓
But they are very expensive and its better to disassemble them and keep them as parts to build another one. Its a waste of resources just to leave it as it is..
Amazing video, but that's not a wagon, it's a locomotive :)
Wonder what that cost?
+Wayne G It looks like it might have cost $4 million (U.S. funds). If not more.
Around 60,000£
70 days for one loco to be rescued! The LMS Patriot could’ve been finished in that time!
How can you fuck up that bad?
Trains got insurance????? who knew!
would have been easier to just push it into the river
Is was a Class 66 / 77
No one really like those...because they are terrible! Absolutely awefull!
Haha rip that loco apart with cutting torches. Melt the scrap!
Happy the battery went dead...
film far too fast to see whats going on
its a timelapse
And I thought that they were just fast!
Slow down the video to 25% , then pause it when u need to
In the US, we would rerail it, take it to the shops, refrurbish it and put it back to work, all in a week. But if you must work through a sweaty pile of MBAs, I suppose this is what you get.
+Dead Frt West You would be correct if you weren't full of bullshit ... in the US, you have shit trains - period ...
+Dead Frt West Australia have better trains!
TrainSp0tter97 I'd doubt it, but Canada's trains suck too ....
For a derailment where it sits beside teh line, that's probably possible, but there was nothing lineside to brace a crane for a lift at that distance from the track, and that weight. As for a refurb taking a week, I think you've been walking in the Scottish fields, and have something that fell out the back of a highland cow on your shoe. . . Bullsh*t.
One slight problems with your statement, how CAN they rerail it?
Nice work! But PLEASE DON'T replace diesel engine unit! Instead convert locomotive to ELECTRIC! Get new step-down transformer, pantographs (x2), and other related electrical components and put old diesel generating set in museum!
Why?
Thats a class 66, one of the strongest engines in britain, and you are telling me we should convert it?
Nice try, but itll take 4 months to set up a design for that, and it maybe not even work.
(extra): US passenger lines are all electrified, but for britain, only 30% is electrified
Danilo Peterson locomotive was scrapped. And I dont understand the other comment about "all passenger lines un US electrified". That is not true, UK has more km of electrified tracks than USA...
use electrics do not insult the railways electrics are a waste of time get a gust of wind or some one leans on the cantenery up rights they fall over or the cables tangle bring back steam at least with steam you would not have to rely on people having to put up with strikes or the lack of carriages or personnel ect steam rules and do not for get it lol.
Stupid decision to do it that way. It was the best decision for QTS in terms of revenue.
Jesus christ... :O
If look don’t speed
Too fast to get a real look at the work done. Would have got thousands more hits had you got the speed right
It is not "recovery"
So many idiots on here giving the world the benefit of their expertise. Sure it could have been lifted, but it was thought to already be wrecked beyond economical repair. So rather than recover the wreck intact they scrapped it in place. It would have been difficult to recover without closing the West Highland Line and cutting much of the north west of Scotland off from the fuel and goods that line carries.
Ship the crap back to Canada and US with the rest of their GM "Toy Town" locos.
Here in Delson Expo-rail museum, we would've been honored to have # 66734 under our museum roof, right besides #4495, the " Dominion of Canada " that we cherish and pamper. A JT42CWR is one locomotive we don't have in our roster. We don't see much Class 66 on our rail system in " The great white north ".
They are not bad, just a bit different built, the chassis actually looks stronger then the European built ones for this type of locomotive, maybe heavier, but it will do it´s work and it´s not a bad locomotive concept.
Pitiful operation. In Canada, that small ( by North American standards) loco would have been lifted or pulled up to trackside and on the rails again in week.
The reason they didnt was the location and lack of access
Too bad your national sport hockey mostly consist of teams in the USA...
They couldn't lift it with a crane due to potential embankment destabilisation caused by incident its self anyway the parts got put into other locos or recycled
The Kirow breakdown crane could do that easily.
Kandi Klover I know but Network Rail doesn’t have one
Seems a waste of time and money.a 3 day job tops here...
no music??
Some Dion Warwick would of been nice...
Getting in the railways train wreck cranes would have been faster. That choice might have been adversely affected by the very cranes being owned by their competitors
For a derailment where it sits beside the line, that's probably possible, but there was nothing lineside to brace a crane for a lift at that distance from the track, and that weight.
railway cranes are obsolete, they only life small objects like coal wagons(not hoppers), if it were to apple pressure on a 10 tonne locomotive, itll simply fall in with it
blame Heath and safety for this shit "recovery"