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This is so cool to learn about. The whole concept seems really fun and would be a different take on the formula while still feeling like a Hey Arnold show with some familiar Hey Arnold faces. Even just doing a season 6 being a short 1-2 year time skip since the end of the show to pick up where we left off and see what everyone is up to now. There definitely needs to be more Hey Arnold. Your love and passion for this show is infectious!
right, it’s a little like getting weight off ur shoulder in a way cuz I’m sure we all speculated as a what if but seeing Craig himself talking abt it is heartfelt
I always did see Helga becoming an artsy teen, and eventually getting into publishing her poetry one day. She’s very eloquent with her way of words, and how she could build a statue of Arnold out of fruit & gum was incredible.
I can see her at the beginning using a pen name. And once she fully embraces what she likes and is good at (and maybe with the support of all the cast) she finally comes out of her shell and writes with her name
I really liked Helga's family dynamic. It felt so real. The golden child, the dad that was really hard on his kids because he wanted to live vicariously through them, and the mom that seemed completely passive (possibly inebriated) just trying to get through. I don't know another cartoon that felt so raw.
Yes. I always related to helga as a child. My mom even asked me things like “why can’t you be more like your older sister?” This kind of representation is so important for kids of dysfunctional families because we can see that we can be successful despite that.
Mariam was def an alcoholic. It didn't hit me until I was re-watching the series as an adult. Rematching 90s-00a kids cartoons as an adult hits different, I tell you, between the dark stuff and the dirty jokes.
I like the Olga thing. Not only because of the reverse role they play with Helga now, but being an over achiever up to college and then crash down, not seeing a clear path to follow after, losing time in death ends... It's really relatable. I wish the show would potentially makes her tridimensional and not just a pathetic attention seeker.
This actually happens a lot more often than you'd think in real life families who play favorites with their kids. The "good one" often faces inflated expectations and a lot of family pressure, and the "other one" often ends up raising themself and developing better self-sustaining skills. In both cases, it leads to emotional trauma for both kids, it just manifests differently.
Olga is the dumbest member of the family. She did well school because of her conscientiousness, but the true gifted one is Helga, with her long-term planning and poetic skills.
I really wish this had happened now, it sounds like it would have been amazing. Hey Arnold is so well-written and still holds up today, really was never another show like it.
@Hunter "You need to experience more life if you haven't watched more TV shows" Lol I'm sorry but that's funny What shows would you say are like Hey Arnold?
It's interesting to see the gifted child burnout play out in Olga before there was even a name for the phenomenon and people realized the unhealthy pressure they were putting on children
@@imanidrayton9403 And Brainy. Also in S1's "The List" He's the Announcer over the Theater Intercom "Ladies and Gentleman due to Technical Difficulties, The Theater Must Cancel The Rest of Today's Screenings. Good Night". and in "Mugged" he's the Guy that cries who wanted to ask where the Bus Stop is.
to be honest its a damn shame that nickolodeon doesnt do more grown up stuff in an age that gave us Bojack Horseman, F is for Family and other more adult oriented cartoons The Pataki's would probably do great
Honestly, Craig should 100% try to get this made right now. Like considering that animation as of late has been getting more mature, I do think The Pataki's would definitely have an audience.
Just hope they acknowledge both Bob and Miriam as Failures and try to turn themselves around at least. Unlike Fans who suggest Bob should be left in the dust as the girls go free and rid themselves of him. The show has made it clear that Both had flaws so it would be better that Both try to turn things around.
I think he’s too hard on himself the concept of the patakis was pretty great. As much as I liked Arnold I always thought the helga centric episodes were some of the best
@@kyleellis1825 They were freaking 9, kyle. The woulda adult show sounds as if they spent time away from each other and Helga is really forced to register herself/life. The premise of them coming back together as adults after growing and changing from their childhood trauma is SO CUTE. Don't apply every statement like an umbrella cuz you're really just saying a damaged kid does something wrong in childhood and can never be helped/changed . Which again, the show sounded as if that was the premise.
I'm still disappointed that we never got this series. I legitimately drive all my friends in animation crazy because I talk about the missed potential so often lmao. It could have been so amazing. Especially considering how powerful a lot of the Hey Arnold episodes were.
One of the most shocking ones i saw on hey arnold, I didn't even see was the veterans day episode! Not only showing grandpa Phil fighting Hitler in a flashback, but seeing Geralds dad in the medical field, he talked about helping someone who had a broken leg and unconscious, until we see the guy he saved told the story of him being shot almost died until Geralds dad actually saved his life, so it wasn't just some first aid for a broken leg or something small like that, he literally saved him from bleeding out!
@@sirmel11 yeah but they see that some old Nick toons are popular enough they wither reboot or continue to show hopefully one day Danny phantom get that treatment remember right now nostalgia is very strong strong
I just realized that this "becoming a better person" is EXACTLY what Miriam and Bob did with Olga! In a few flashbacks when Olga is still at home, you see Miriam being sober, and Bob seeming to be a proud father, using his daughters success to support his own business. They put all the pressure on Olga to be perfect because she has potential. Meanwhile Helga was dropped like a rock and just had to grow up without that love. If as a teen she's starting to shine, the parents do the exact same thing. Only Helga has had 15yrs of neglect, and can more quickly figure out how conditional this love really is. Unlike Olga who it sounds got the golden child treatment much earlier, and therefore wasn't able to recognize how conditional her parents love really was.
And Zoey 101 is coming back as Zoey 102. Avatar Studios is continuing with new and old stories. A new Good Burger movie is coming. Paramount needs to see that we want a continuation of Hey Arnold but with The Patakis!!
I love how the show planned on also addressing Phoebe unwilling to be the Asian Sidekick and embracing her individuality. It’s a trope that is sooo common and Phoebe deserved more
The Phoebe farting episode... might have been the most hilarious episode in the entire series. Helga selling her friend out by saying she "Rip's 'em all night long" when sleeping over. Absolutely killed me.
@Pygmalion in Venus you’ve clearly never watched the old Pink Panther movies with Peter Sellers, the Green Hornet, or even Dragon Ball (Krillin is technically Asian, even if Goku isn’t with him being an alien and all) or the movie Disturbia starring Shia Labeof. There’s so many others, but those are the main three that comes to me when I think of Asian sidekick trope.
I would loved to have the Hey Arnold series continue with “The Patakis”. There were so many rumors back then about what would happen with the Jungle movie and whether a spinoff actually existed for Helga G Pataki and her crazy family. Thank you Jordan for doing the interview with Craig Bartlett. Definitely brings more closure to the series as a whole. And with the Jungle Movie done, who knows what could happen next.
If the Patakis were made today it would be very popular, since the majority of us who watched hey arnold are adults now and would understand everything. Its definitely not tooo late to make this!
Honestly, if any version of Hey Arnold or The Patakis were on television today I would be tuned in! The world of Hey Arnold is so fun, comforting, and true, it would be amazing to see that back on screens. Lord knows the kids of today need it now
Helga is my favorite cartoon character of all time. Her weird little girl energy was so real and hilarious. She has depth, too, that you usually don’t see in female characters imo. The description of her teenage self definitely resonates with me! I would have loved to see this!
Idk if I'm the only one but Hey Arnold is probably the show were i can feel the most powerful 90s energy and early 2000s , the vibe is something that, make me feel a lot of nostalgia.
From the sounds of it this series COULD have worked. The premise for it is interesting and the Patakis were some of the most interesting characters in Hey Arnold. However if it were going to be made today we would have to have the right people working on it. We ALL know how badly wrong it can go if the wrong people work on an adult take of a beloved kids' show. “Do you mean Vel-“ SHH!!! WE DO NOT SPEAK ITS NAME!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 One thing I’d love to see if it did happen is to have a character introduced that Olga goes full stalker on. Similar to how her sister was with Arnold, though on a slightly more deranged level. I think there could be some untapped potential of exploring the results of Olga's status on “Golden Child” taken away, seeing her fall into an even darker pit than Helga did when she was ignored. But hey that’s just what I’d do. While I doubt we’ll ever see anything come of this it’s still interesting to think “What If?”
@Garbo hey Arnold isn't a cartoon network cartoon its a viacom o.g. nicktoon it wouldn't be viable to be on adult swim ren and stimpy was able to be on spike TV because viacom owned spike TV ren and stimpy adult party
Considered how deeply troubled and honestly fucked up that family's dynamics were a more mature show (and Hey Arnold was already really really mature to begin with) would have been amazing. We could finally adress Miriam's alcoholism , sisters could finally FINALLY grow close have a true bond and Olga can finally be free of her family and do what truly made her happy despite her success in everything. We can get all the ladies away from Bob as well leaving that disgusting piece of shit to rot and Miriam can finally devorce his abusive ass and become the successful woman in whatever she wanted to do from now on.
@@PeterGriffin11 he wasn't to this extend, fella there is projecting, he wasn't a super good dad and had a bunch of problems, but the show made case for both of helga parents to show both their negative sides and positive ones, is like the fact that in all the show bob never showed one once of sexist even if he could be a real ass, if you call him abusive, then so is Miriam in her own passivity, he clearly was a jerk, but did loved his family in his own way
@@KnucklesxReala911 No, Bob was overtly abusive. His behavior was not remotely normal or acceptable. I'm not projecting, I'm saying this as someone who had a normal, non-abusive dad. Even as a child I could tell Bob was a bad father, and not a "bad father" in the "bumbling idiot" kind of trope, but actually actively terrible. Miriam was a neglectful acoholic for sure, but Bob was a screamer/yeller who physically intimidated everyone to get his way.
@@KnucklesxReala911 Yeah I agree with you. He wasn't a perfect father but certainly wasn't abusive and there are times in the show where they show Bob loves his family.
I love that the Golden Child / Scapegoat dynamic of Helga and Olga would have been flipped, because that is so true to reality. Olga was constantly bringing in awards and accolades, but ultimately failed to launch, meanwhile Helga is actively getting accolades because she is younger. Miriam and Bob only know how to coddle one child and ignore the other, so when Olga starts becoming a loser with no prospects, it makes sense they'd turn on her, and of course, never blame themselves.
Haha it makes sense though when you think about it. The more sheltered and watched the golden child is by their parents, the more likely it is that they're going to rebel later in life
I remember reading long, long ago like a brief mention about The Patakis being something pitched to MTV that didn't go anywhere. It's amazing to learn about it all these years later.
Its no surprise that Helga would have gotten her own show considering that the episodes focused on her in Hey Arnold, especially the one where she went to therapy, are the ones that people remembered the most
Would have loved to see a season six. Just seeing Helga and Arnold getting closer. Maybe even a little jealousy in Arnold’s part towards Her. Some other boy showing an interest in her. This is my comfort show and then Hulu took it almost all of it away…
I initially felt cheated by not getting this show, but after I found out about the premise, I realized that all Helga ever wanted was Arnold, & after getting him in the end, this show would have taken that away from her by having him move away.
she is very dependent on him for any light in her life, i LOVE shortaki, i LIVE for shortaki, and I LOVE ships where they cant live without each other HOWEVER hey arnold is a grounded real show so a patakis show would survive because we'd see a helga trying to find herself without arnold, which honestly, is important. the fanfiction Helga Unbound deals with this topic beautifully.
I can’t believe how bashful Craig is about this amazing idea, would’ve loved to see this. Still not seen the Jungle Movie, but I 100% want more Hey Arnold! in some form.
I think Craig could absolutely get this done now. The rise of adult animation is garnering attention and I truly think if he pitches this right, the show could happen.
you know what? I think craig should try again on getting this show to air,it took 15 years to give us the jungle movie,so I have faithe in this spin off show in the future,since you do interviews with craig sometimes I belive that craig could read comments to,so craig if your seeing this,please re try this,maybe ask adult swim if they wanna do it if you never got to ask them
if he still wanted to make it he should pitch it to hulu. i do t see why they wouldn't be interested in it. he would also probably get way more creative freedom
It's obviously way too late for them to be teens, but since Arnold and Helga are "soulmates" I'd love to see a spin off of them as young adults and how they finally realize that and get together.
I wonder if Arnold actually moved away or if his grandpa died, his grandma was declared incompetent, and he was put in the foster care system. That could've been an interesting element to explore with Helga marking the aniversary of her soul mate's departure by writing about the events that led up to him moving in a flashback episode
Originally when The Jungle Movie was planned in the early 00s, Craig revealed Arnold's parents would have passed away which would have been the case for The Patakis too. When they re-picked it up, Craig decided instead to keep the parents alive. Though it could still be very plausible to have Arnold leave, eg: the green eyes are in trouble again or something and this time Arnold joins his parents as he doesn't want to be left behind again.
I would've LOVED an hour of "Daria" and "The Patakis" as a teenager. I was really a little too old for Hey Arnold when it started, but it was so well written I watched it for years.
I love SO MUCH when people heavily involved in shows are open to talking to RUclipsrs about their art in on-camera interviews. It’s so much more personal than “official” interviews with big media outlets, and their passion really comes through. ❤️
That's super cool you got to interview the Hey Arnold creator himself. I would've loved if this had become a real show. It's a shame Nick/MTV weren't for it.
A show like that belong on Netflix or some of the other streaming channel.not nickelodeon, with the other streaming channels, I believe they can do a little more, with Nickelodeon you have limitation because it's a kid channel.
I think this could still happen. I'd love for it to still get made. Maybe Craig could try Comedy Central, a place where he could get away with arguably as much as he'd want to.
Yeah but a show like that would lean more heavily towards drama than comedy. Comedy Central isn’t known for dramas and South Park is as close as it gets.
Hey Jordan do you know of a RUclipsr named DuskTillShawn? He also has done several feature-length videos on Hey Arnold, and I think you two would make for a great collaboration.
I genuinely appreciate all the “Hey Arnold” content. There is truly no other show like it. So finding out that there could’ve been more with Helga makes me happy but also sad that it didn’t happen during that wonderful decade of the 90’s
Also if it did happened would Arnold and his parents to Phoebe and other characters make cameo appearances? He is technically her boyfriend when the series ended with the Jungle movie
I really feel that hey arnold is one of the most underrated animated "kid's" shows of all time. every once in a while I'll revisit it as a sort of comfort watch, and I'm still impressed and moved by how authentically it presents working class families, poverty, childhood struggles, varied family dynamics.... and the pigeon man.
also awesome video, thank you for taking the time to talk to craig and canonize this lore lol. the pitch seems so perfect, I'm sad it didn't get made but stoked that it was even an idea
can we manifest it into reality now? this would be very successful as we the old fans are now grown up and dysfunctional family stories are popular in fiction
Honestly I love the idea of Olga going from "Perfect" to "Loser" since a lot of kids who were pressured and were the "perfect gifted kid" burnt out after college and in many ways became "Losers" because they finally broke. There is literally a meme bout "Were you the gifted kid everyone had high hopes for but now you're in your 30s working a dead end job with no future in sight or are you normal?" and other versions ... and the fact that so many "Gifted" and "Perfect" kids RELATE to that says /a lot/. I can imagine after going to college and all the pressure to perform was gone from her parents + the lack of praise [since she didn't live at home] - Ogla filled her life with boyfriends [as mentioned] to fill the gap of praise and attention she used to get from her folks. And then being on her own without needing to perform, she started to let herself slip here and there for a bit of "much needed rest" and eventually tumbled down. She still graduated but finally having unexpected freedom kind of messed herself up to some degree and "became a loser" as suggested. It's super common with the gifted kids or if the golden child is older and goes off on their own and reality bites them. It's really a perfect transition, and could even be something for Helga to worry about becoming when she's the center of attention / seen now in the same light. Could even be something she'd have to overcome [both in fear and practice] and maybe help set her sister back right before it gets to be too late.
What's funny is that in the episode where Helga forges Olga's report card Olga tells Helga that she envies the fact that their parents don't notice her so I can see it Helga hating being in the spotlight
This is pretty much fan fiction here, but years ago I came up with a fan character for Hey Arnold. I never named the guy but he would be the "cool uncle" archetype who would enter Helga's life. The estranged brother of either Bob or Miriam, they would move back to the city after a multiple-year absence to try to mend his relationship with his sibling. And would end up having a very positive influence on Helga's life from that point on. Helga would look up to her uncle and strive to be the kind of person he is.
I like that idea. Literally the only person who is a major positive role model is Arnold. The rest of the kids and their teacher had a lot of redeeming qualities - loyalty, for one - but since Helga doesn't have much respect for them, they don't have much influence on her.
It's so cool that we finally have more info about this piece of Hey Arnold lore. I've always imagined if the show ever got rebooted that it would feature the characters dealing with more mature teenage issues. Helga writing unsent letters to Arnold strikes me as a similar framing decide that Doug used when writing in his journal.
You know for the longest part it makes me wonder of all the potential animation spin off’s, movies, series that never happened. It makes me wonder of the potential vault of concepts, scripts, artwork that either never went anywhere or were opened every so often to recycle into something different
God, this is still such a solid idea. Everything in the original show is so well fleshed out that the characters aged 5-10 years feels completely organic. Even today, you can see Bob adopting the modern side hustle persona, Olga becomes an influencer, Helga takes on the Gen Z critical outlook on everything, Miriam gets addicted to consuming social media.
Goddd I was a *huge* Hey Arnold fan back in the day and remember learning this was a thing when I would've been about Helga's age in it, I was so miffed it never got made; I mean Daria was great but frankly the bible makes it seem closer to an As Told By Ginger sort of thing. It's so wild to actually see all these outlines and concepts get leaked all these years later, really feels like closing a chapter on my childhood 🥲 thanks for covering this bc I prob wouldn't have heard about it otherwise. Also shout-out to Craig for having that Mark Ryden print behind him, I have the same one in my house 😂
I don't think there's anything for Craig to be embarrassed about. The Patakis had amazing potential. And I wish MTV didn't pass on it. I still want this show to be made. Even all these years later.
This should certainly still happen. Hey Arnold is a masterful piece of animation and would really benefit from a sort of "Epilogue Series." I would pick up graphic novel volumes of the stories continuation as well, any way to get it out there for fans!
Having an aged up Helga in a series all her own sounds cool. This has too happen I mean the jungle movie worked out ans was finally released so why not this series I mean it'll work even in 2023
I’d really like to see Craig’s take on The Patakis spin off series, and to see where this direction it’ll go if Nick let it green lit this show. I guess it was too realistic and dark for Nick to handle this take on real life issues.
Definitely would be too "mature" for Nickelodeon, but it would definitely fit in on MTV or the other "mature" Paramount/Viacom channels, as long as it didn't try to copy Daria.
Hey Arnold really built up its own world during the runtime and ended up more or less iconic in its time just as well and I have often thought about where the characters are now and what they could be doing. Along with the Helga Spinoff, I'd love to see the characters in various stages in life at least in the long Arnold and Helga lovestory.
Thanks so much for watching! I hope you enjoyed this video and I would love to know your thoughts on it all. Did you like the concept of the spin-off? What direction would you like to see Hey Arnold go in one day? Check out my 7+ Hour Hey Arnold video here: ruclips.net/video/ZRn2t6hvadE/видео.html&ab_channel=JordanFringe
Arnold and the gangs as adults
We need this so much !!!
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This is so cool to learn about. The whole concept seems really fun and would be a different take on the formula while still feeling like a Hey Arnold show with some familiar Hey Arnold faces. Even just doing a season 6 being a short 1-2 year time skip since the end of the show to pick up where we left off and see what everyone is up to now. There definitely needs to be more Hey Arnold. Your love and passion for this show is infectious!
The Patakis looks like an interesting show. Would be curious to see what the other kids at the alternative high school are like.
I always knew of a concept of the Patakis but that it was just fan speculation. The fact that you got Craig himself to talk about it is fantastic
I agree!
right, it’s a little like getting weight off ur shoulder in a way cuz I’m sure we all speculated as a what if but seeing Craig himself talking abt it is heartfelt
Honestly I feel like this concept would do even better now than it would have 20 years ago.
Same
It’s so frickin cool that you got to chat with Craig about this and Hey Arnold! In general. Love the video dude.
He did talk with him for that 7 hour video he did a while ago
I always did see Helga becoming an artsy teen, and eventually getting into publishing her poetry one day. She’s very eloquent with her way of words, and how she could build a statue of Arnold out of fruit & gum was incredible.
Yesss. And also relatable as someone who was an artsy kid
@@ollie2111 Samee.
I mean that was psychotic cultist shizzz. if you relate to that please get help.
I can see her at the beginning using a pen name. And once she fully embraces what she likes and is good at (and maybe with the support of all the cast) she finally comes out of her shell and writes with her name
And creepy.
I really liked Helga's family dynamic. It felt so real. The golden child, the dad that was really hard on his kids because he wanted to live vicariously through them, and the mom that seemed completely passive (possibly inebriated) just trying to get through. I don't know another cartoon that felt so raw.
Yes. I always related to helga as a child. My mom even asked me things like “why can’t you be more like your older sister?” This kind of representation is so important for kids of dysfunctional families because we can see that we can be successful despite that.
Helga is even animated to look more like big Bob. Those ears and nose.
Possibly inebriated? Only possibly?
Mariam was def an alcoholic. It didn't hit me until I was re-watching the series as an adult. Rematching 90s-00a kids cartoons as an adult hits different, I tell you, between the dark stuff and the dirty jokes.
I mean their family was just depressing. I cant imagine anyone making a fun show out of that lmao.
I like the Olga thing. Not only because of the reverse role they play with Helga now, but being an over achiever up to college and then crash down, not seeing a clear path to follow after, losing time in death ends... It's really relatable. I wish the show would potentially makes her tridimensional and not just a pathetic attention seeker.
How ironic that Helga, the unloved child, became the succesful sister, while Olga, the family's pride, became a failure
This actually happens a lot more often than you'd think in real life families who play favorites with their kids. The "good one" often faces inflated expectations and a lot of family pressure, and the "other one" often ends up raising themself and developing better self-sustaining skills. In both cases, it leads to emotional trauma for both kids, it just manifests differently.
@@SageArdor Just what I was going to say
Its interesting when you consider how their mom has so much untapped potential herself.
Olga is the dumbest member of the family. She did well school because of her conscientiousness, but the true gifted one is Helga, with her long-term planning and poetic skills.
It is pretty interesting to see the reverse angle between Helga and Olga.
I really wish this had happened now, it sounds like it would have been amazing. Hey Arnold is so well-written and still holds up today, really was never another show like it.
It holds ùp except "Arnold Betrays Iggy" lol
@Hunter "You need to experience more life if you haven't watched more TV shows"
Lol I'm sorry but that's funny
What shows would you say are like Hey Arnold?
@@RomanDiaries not many,
Back then would of been better nowdays they'd put 2much of that woke bs in it and ruin it
@@marvinjones2589 can’t remember what happened
It's interesting to see the gifted child burnout play out in Olga before there was even a name for the phenomenon and people realized the unhealthy pressure they were putting on children
Lol, there was you narcissist.
@@Handlebrake2 care to explain, because right now, your statement doesn't make any sense
Finally hearing Craig Bartlett’s voice makes me realize that he was the voice of Arnold’s alarm clock
He was also Abner the Pig, Arnold’s dad Miles, and I think the radio announcer as well(can’t remember the name).
@@imanidrayton9403 And Brainy. Also in S1's "The List" He's the Announcer over the Theater Intercom "Ladies and Gentleman due to Technical Difficulties, The Theater Must Cancel The Rest of Today's Screenings. Good Night". and in "Mugged" he's the Guy that cries who wanted to ask where the Bus Stop is.
to be honest its a damn shame that nickolodeon doesnt do more grown up stuff
in an age that gave us Bojack Horseman, F is for Family and other more adult oriented cartoons
The Pataki's would probably do great
Has craig bartlett ever considered making a comic book series (digital and physical) about the pataki's?
Probably not, besides comics are a money pit at the moment, they’re really not selling well
@@kirbyfan4 Only because of hacks writing the Comics.
If the Patakis are well written they'll sell like Hotcakes.
@@kirbyfan4 Really? comics aren’t doing well? Manga is booming isn’t it?
would be cool to see short web comics!
I recently re-watched the full series with my wife, and *damn* do I wish The Patakis had come to fruition
I also reviewed all the series and films, and yes, damn it, I want to continue
Honestly, Craig should 100% try to get this made right now. Like considering that animation as of late has been getting more mature, I do think The Pataki's would definitely have an audience.
Especially if it was put on Paramount+.
I'd donate to a Kickstart
Just hope they acknowledge both Bob and Miriam as Failures and try to turn themselves around at least. Unlike Fans who suggest Bob should be left in the dust as the girls go free and rid themselves of him.
The show has made it clear that Both had flaws so it would be better that Both try to turn things around.
I think he’s too hard on himself the concept of the patakis was pretty great. As much as I liked Arnold I always thought the helga centric episodes were some of the best
Yeah! There’s a petition you can sign to make the patakis happen!!
It's SOOO cute hearing Arnold and Helga being called soulmates. SO CUTE.
NO. That is normalizing stalkers and saying, just wear the person down. Arnold should have a restraining order on Helga.
@@kyleellis1825 They were freaking 9, kyle. The woulda adult show sounds as if they spent time away from each other and Helga is really forced to register herself/life. The premise of them coming back together as adults after growing and changing from their childhood trauma is SO CUTE. Don't apply every statement like an umbrella cuz you're really just saying a damaged kid does something wrong in childhood and can never be helped/changed . Which again, the show sounded as if that was the premise.
Well its logical, if you know story from grandpa and granny 😂.
I'm still disappointed that we never got this series. I legitimately drive all my friends in animation crazy because I talk about the missed potential so often lmao. It could have been so amazing. Especially considering how powerful a lot of the Hey Arnold episodes were.
One of the most shocking ones i saw on hey arnold, I didn't even see was the veterans day episode! Not only showing grandpa Phil fighting Hitler in a flashback, but seeing Geralds dad in the medical field, he talked about helping someone who had a broken leg and unconscious, until we see the guy he saved told the story of him being shot almost died until Geralds dad actually saved his life, so it wasn't just some first aid for a broken leg or something small like that, he literally saved him from bleeding out!
They can still do it with Paramount Plus
@@francisconavarrete3031 that's up to them though
@@sirmel11 yeah but they see that some old Nick toons are popular enough they wither reboot or continue to show hopefully one day Danny phantom get that treatment remember right now nostalgia is very strong strong
@@francisconavarrete3031 e
I just realized that this "becoming a better person" is EXACTLY what Miriam and Bob did with Olga! In a few flashbacks when Olga is still at home, you see Miriam being sober, and Bob seeming to be a proud father, using his daughters success to support his own business. They put all the pressure on Olga to be perfect because she has potential. Meanwhile Helga was dropped like a rock and just had to grow up without that love. If as a teen she's starting to shine, the parents do the exact same thing. Only Helga has had 15yrs of neglect, and can more quickly figure out how conditional this love really is. Unlike Olga who it sounds got the golden child treatment much earlier, and therefore wasn't able to recognize how conditional her parents love really was.
I don't think it's too late for The Patakis. I mean we have an adult iCarly that's pretty good.
The new iCarly is not good
@@babitferreira so the same as the original?
And Zoey 101 is coming back as Zoey 102. Avatar Studios is continuing with new and old stories. A new Good Burger movie is coming. Paramount needs to see that we want a continuation of Hey Arnold but with The Patakis!!
As long as it isn't woke, then I'm all for it.
@@HenshinFanatic okay normally I'll say everyone's entitled to their POVs but what is wrong with y'all? Lmao
I love how the show planned on also addressing Phoebe unwilling to be the Asian Sidekick and embracing her individuality. It’s a trope that is sooo common and Phoebe deserved more
wdym?
The Phoebe farting episode... might have been the most hilarious episode in the entire series. Helga selling her friend out by saying she "Rip's 'em all night long" when sleeping over. Absolutely killed me.
An asian sidekick isn't even a trope. Calm down.
@Pygmalion in Venus you’ve clearly never watched the old Pink Panther movies with Peter Sellers, the Green Hornet, or even Dragon Ball (Krillin is technically Asian, even if Goku isn’t with him being an alien and all) or the movie Disturbia starring Shia Labeof. There’s so many others, but those are the main three that comes to me when I think of Asian sidekick trope.
@@fabtasticplanet1517 I can list plenty of more movies and shows where the black guy was a sidekick.
I would loved to have the Hey Arnold series continue with “The Patakis”. There were so many rumors back then about what would happen with the Jungle movie and whether a spinoff actually existed for Helga G Pataki and her crazy family.
Thank you Jordan for doing the interview with Craig Bartlett. Definitely brings more closure to the series as a whole. And with the Jungle Movie done, who knows what could happen next.
If the Patakis were made today it would be very popular, since the majority of us who watched hey arnold are adults now and would understand everything.
Its definitely not tooo late to make this!
Honestly, if any version of Hey Arnold or The Patakis were on television today I would be tuned in! The world of Hey Arnold is so fun, comforting, and true, it would be amazing to see that back on screens. Lord knows the kids of today need it now
As a 32 year old lady who still supports Helga's rights and wrongs - I still wish this has become a thing. ❤
Eh, the Jungle Movie was enough.
We were robbed! ROBBED, I TELL YOU!
@@SirBlackReedsGet out! It was not!
Helga is my favorite cartoon character of all time. Her weird little girl energy was so real and hilarious. She has depth, too, that you usually don’t see in female characters imo. The description of her teenage self definitely resonates with me!
I would have loved to see this!
She was also a clear Tomboy.
I absolutely love helga as well she’s one of my favorite characters of all time 😊❤️✌️
@@liviecarter1854 Same
@@zacharyyamashita8554 In a remake they'd turn her into a transgender... and they'd make Arnold gay for 'him'.
You might want to poke around then. There are plenty of female character with depth.
I love how open and interested Craig Bartlett is with even discussing this.
It shows how he along with the creator of SpongeBob deserves our love
Idk if I'm the only one but Hey Arnold is probably the show were i can feel the most powerful 90s energy and early 2000s , the vibe is something that, make me feel a lot of nostalgia.
Oh man Olga’s arc feels like itll hit close to home for a lot of formerly overachieving kids.
Olga's storyline sounds like what would have happened to Alex in Modern Family.
I love how the concept art is very of it's time. Olga design in particular reminds me of like an early 2000s pop star.
Why does the mom have her hand on her ass though?
Reminds me of like baby spice from spice girls
I really love the idea of Helga writing and storing volumes of unsent letters to Arnold. That absolutely seems like something she would do.
From the sounds of it this series COULD have worked. The premise for it is interesting and the Patakis were some of the most interesting characters in Hey Arnold.
However if it were going to be made today we would have to have the right people working on it. We ALL know how badly wrong it can go if the wrong people work on an adult take of a beloved kids' show.
“Do you mean Vel-“
SHH!!! WE DO NOT SPEAK ITS NAME!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One thing I’d love to see if it did happen is to have a character introduced that Olga goes full stalker on. Similar to how her sister was with Arnold, though on a slightly more deranged level. I think there could be some untapped potential of exploring the results of Olga's status on “Golden Child” taken away, seeing her fall into an even darker pit than Helga did when she was ignored. But hey that’s just what I’d do.
While I doubt we’ll ever see anything come of this it’s still interesting to think “What If?”
I would have loved to see the flashback of Bob and Mariam meeting at a frat party 😂
Mariam was a wine-oh..
Nick at night idoits
Facts lol
Miriam *
With paramount + or Netflix existing this show can actually become reality.
I agree, it's definitely not too late for it
I was thinking the same thing! Let’s hope that it will one day to pass.
Adult Swim could also be a viable option. They have saved quite a few adult animations from cancellation.
Netflix will just cancel after one season for big mouth and bad reboots
@Garbo hey Arnold isn't a cartoon network cartoon its a viacom o.g. nicktoon it wouldn't be viable to be on adult swim ren and stimpy was able to be on spike TV because viacom owned spike TV ren and stimpy adult party
Considered how deeply troubled and honestly fucked up that family's dynamics were a more mature show (and Hey Arnold was already really really mature to begin with) would have been amazing.
We could finally adress Miriam's alcoholism , sisters could finally FINALLY grow close have a true bond and Olga can finally be free of her family and do what truly made her happy despite her success in everything. We can get all the ladies away from Bob as well leaving that disgusting piece of shit to rot and Miriam can finally devorce his abusive ass and become the successful woman in whatever she wanted to do from now on.
yeah this would have been / could be a really good show.
I don't remember Big Bob being abusive.
@@PeterGriffin11 he wasn't to this extend, fella there is projecting, he wasn't a super good dad and had a bunch of problems, but the show made case for both of helga parents to show both their negative sides and positive ones, is like the fact that in all the show bob never showed one once of sexist even if he could be a real ass, if you call him abusive, then so is Miriam in her own passivity, he clearly was a jerk, but did loved his family in his own way
@@KnucklesxReala911 No, Bob was overtly abusive. His behavior was not remotely normal or acceptable. I'm not projecting, I'm saying this as someone who had a normal, non-abusive dad. Even as a child I could tell Bob was a bad father, and not a "bad father" in the "bumbling idiot" kind of trope, but actually actively terrible. Miriam was a neglectful acoholic for sure, but Bob was a screamer/yeller who physically intimidated everyone to get his way.
@@KnucklesxReala911 Yeah I agree with you. He wasn't a perfect father but certainly wasn't abusive and there are times in the show where they show Bob loves his family.
Craig just truly seems like such a genuinely kind, curious, and grateful person. I’m so happy that he’s still being so active!
I love that the Golden Child / Scapegoat dynamic of Helga and Olga would have been flipped, because that is so true to reality. Olga was constantly bringing in awards and accolades, but ultimately failed to launch, meanwhile Helga is actively getting accolades because she is younger. Miriam and Bob only know how to coddle one child and ignore the other, so when Olga starts becoming a loser with no prospects, it makes sense they'd turn on her, and of course, never blame themselves.
Ok but Olga wildin' out in a miniskirt and tank is amazing.
Haha it makes sense though when you think about it. The more sheltered and watched the golden child is by their parents, the more likely it is that they're going to rebel later in life
I remember reading long, long ago like a brief mention about The Patakis being something pitched to MTV that didn't go anywhere. It's amazing to learn about it all these years later.
Cause they said mtv already had Daria. Which they claimed looked too similar in their eyes
Its no surprise that Helga would have gotten her own show considering that the episodes focused on her in Hey Arnold, especially the one where she went to therapy, are the ones that people remembered the most
Would have loved to see a season six. Just seeing Helga and Arnold getting closer. Maybe even a little jealousy in Arnold’s part towards Her. Some other boy showing an interest in her. This is my comfort show and then Hulu took it almost all of it away…
I initially felt cheated by not getting this show, but after I found out about the premise, I realized that all Helga ever wanted was Arnold, & after getting him in the end, this show would have taken that away from her by having him move away.
Yea
That might be why it wouldn't make sense for this show to be made.
she is very dependent on him for any light in her life, i LOVE shortaki, i LIVE for shortaki, and I LOVE ships where they cant live without each other HOWEVER hey arnold is a grounded real show so a patakis show would survive because we'd see a helga trying to find herself without arnold, which honestly, is important. the fanfiction Helga Unbound deals with this topic beautifully.
I wrote a FanFiction with this exact plot a few years ago. They're called "Hey Arnold: After the Jungle" and "Hey Arnold: The Other Side of Helga".
Do Arnold and Helga end up together?
@@de_lontekk8019 Why don't you read them and find out?
Mind sharing some details? This sounds really cool
Fun fact: hearing about the Pataki's years ago is how I found out about Daria
To me I found Daria very boring, and would find the Pataki’s more exciting, since I’m a huge Hey Arnold fan myself.
Please do Recess, The Proud family, The cramp Twins, Boy Meets World, and Drake and Josh!
He should pitch this show again for Paramount+
Thanks for giving us more Intel about the proposed spinoff, Jordan. I love that you were able to find some more information from Craig himself.
I can’t believe how bashful Craig is about this amazing idea, would’ve loved to see this. Still not seen the Jungle Movie, but I 100% want more Hey Arnold! in some form.
The Pataki's would've been a hit! Wish we would've gotten that spin-off
I think Craig could absolutely get this done now. The rise of adult animation is garnering attention and I truly think if he pitches this right, the show could happen.
you know what? I think craig should try again on getting this show to air,it took 15 years to give us the jungle movie,so I have faithe in this spin off show in the future,since you do interviews with craig sometimes I belive that craig could read comments to,so craig if your seeing this,please re try this,maybe ask adult swim if they wanna do it if you never got to ask them
Characters in Hey Arnold already acted like they were 12 versus 9 so I'd be here for it.
This spin off NEEDS to exist
if he still wanted to make it he should pitch it to hulu. i do t see why they wouldn't be interested in it. he would also probably get way more creative freedom
It's obviously way too late for them to be teens, but since Arnold and Helga are "soulmates" I'd love to see a spin off of them as young adults and how they finally realize that and get together.
I wonder if Arnold actually moved away or if his grandpa died, his grandma was declared incompetent, and he was put in the foster care system. That could've been an interesting element to explore with Helga marking the aniversary of her soul mate's departure by writing about the events that led up to him moving in a flashback episode
He got his parents back, no reason for the foster care system to take him if his grandpa died.
Or his parents could run the border house until he was old enough.
Originally when The Jungle Movie was planned in the early 00s, Craig revealed Arnold's parents would have passed away which would have been the case for The Patakis too. When they re-picked it up, Craig decided instead to keep the parents alive. Though it could still be very plausible to have Arnold leave, eg: the green eyes are in trouble again or something and this time Arnold joins his parents as he doesn't want to be left behind again.
I would've LOVED an hour of "Daria" and "The Patakis" as a teenager. I was really a little too old for Hey Arnold when it started, but it was so well written I watched it for years.
Ugh. I want a spin off so bad
Damn, I'd have watched the hell out of this.
I love SO MUCH when people heavily involved in shows are open to talking to RUclipsrs about their art in on-camera interviews. It’s so much more personal than “official” interviews with big media outlets, and their passion really comes through. ❤️
That's super cool you got to interview the Hey Arnold creator himself. I would've loved if this had become a real show. It's a shame Nick/MTV weren't for it.
A show like that belong on Netflix or some of the other streaming channel.not nickelodeon, with the other streaming channels, I believe they can do a little more, with Nickelodeon you have limitation because it's a kid channel.
I think this could still happen. I'd love for it to still get made. Maybe Craig could try Comedy Central, a place where he could get away with arguably as much as he'd want to.
Yeah but a show like that would lean more heavily towards drama than comedy. Comedy Central isn’t known for dramas and South Park is as close as it gets.
Hey Jordan do you know of a RUclipsr named DuskTillShawn? He also has done several feature-length videos on Hey Arnold, and I think you two would make for a great collaboration.
I genuinely appreciate all the “Hey Arnold” content. There is truly no other show like it. So finding out that there could’ve been more with Helga makes me happy but also sad that it didn’t happen during that wonderful decade of the 90’s
This sounds amazing, it would have been a good thing to have back when it was concepted, but it would be even better if it were to come out now.
Perfect as a Paramount Plus exclusive.
Damn I wish this had gotten at least a pilot. This sounds like such a good series idea
Also if it did happened would Arnold and his parents to Phoebe and other characters make cameo appearances?
He is technically her boyfriend when the series ended with the Jungle movie
The part about the letters makes me imagine a coming-of-age movie called "Dear Arnold" or maybe "with love, Helga"
I really feel that hey arnold is one of the most underrated animated "kid's" shows of all time. every once in a while I'll revisit it as a sort of comfort watch, and I'm still impressed and moved by how authentically it presents working class families, poverty, childhood struggles, varied family dynamics.... and the pigeon man.
also awesome video, thank you for taking the time to talk to craig and canonize this lore lol. the pitch seems so perfect, I'm sad it didn't get made but stoked that it was even an idea
can we manifest it into reality now? this would be very successful as we the old fans are now grown up and dysfunctional family stories are popular in fiction
I would love to have seen this spin off in my teens, even now, close at the end of my 30s I love the idea behind it and would watch it
I’m in that range too (37) and I agree.
Hey Arnold ended perfectly so I wouldn't want a 6th season. I'd prefer to see the spinoff with the Patakis.
Hi, I’m 28-years-old and I WANT THIS SHOW!
Meanwhile in the parallel universe, The Patakis is happening.
Honestly I love the idea of Olga going from "Perfect" to "Loser" since a lot of kids who were pressured and were the "perfect gifted kid" burnt out after college and in many ways became "Losers" because they finally broke. There is literally a meme bout "Were you the gifted kid everyone had high hopes for but now you're in your 30s working a dead end job with no future in sight or are you normal?" and other versions ... and the fact that so many "Gifted" and "Perfect" kids RELATE to that says /a lot/.
I can imagine after going to college and all the pressure to perform was gone from her parents + the lack of praise [since she didn't live at home] - Ogla filled her life with boyfriends [as mentioned] to fill the gap of praise and attention she used to get from her folks. And then being on her own without needing to perform, she started to let herself slip here and there for a bit of "much needed rest" and eventually tumbled down. She still graduated but finally having unexpected freedom kind of messed herself up to some degree and "became a loser" as suggested. It's super common with the gifted kids or if the golden child is older and goes off on their own and reality bites them. It's really a perfect transition, and could even be something for Helga to worry about becoming when she's the center of attention / seen now in the same light. Could even be something she'd have to overcome [both in fear and practice] and maybe help set her sister back right before it gets to be too late.
What's funny is that in the episode where Helga forges Olga's report card Olga tells Helga that she envies the fact that their parents don't notice her so I can see it Helga hating being in the spotlight
I think Daria and helga could have hit it off 😅
This is pretty much fan fiction here, but years ago I came up with a fan character for Hey Arnold. I never named the guy but he would be the "cool uncle" archetype who would enter Helga's life. The estranged brother of either Bob or Miriam, they would move back to the city after a multiple-year absence to try to mend his relationship with his sibling. And would end up having a very positive influence on Helga's life from that point on.
Helga would look up to her uncle and strive to be the kind of person he is.
I like that idea. Literally the only person who is a major positive role model is Arnold. The rest of the kids and their teacher had a lot of redeeming qualities - loyalty, for one - but since Helga doesn't have much respect for them, they don't have much influence on her.
It's so cool that we finally have more info about this piece of Hey Arnold lore. I've always imagined if the show ever got rebooted that it would feature the characters dealing with more mature teenage issues. Helga writing unsent letters to Arnold strikes me as a similar framing decide that Doug used when writing in his journal.
I loved Hey Arnold and related to Helga a lot growing up. I would have loved a Patakis spin off. Great video!
Plot twist: Arnold has no attraction to Helga and all her advances will be met with rejection.
i need this spin-off... bring it to life!! PLEASE!
You know for the longest part it makes me wonder of all the potential animation spin off’s, movies, series that never happened. It makes me wonder of the potential vault of concepts, scripts, artwork that either never went anywhere or were opened every so often to recycle into something different
God, this is still such a solid idea. Everything in the original show is so well fleshed out that the characters aged 5-10 years feels completely organic. Even today, you can see Bob adopting the modern side hustle persona, Olga becomes an influencer, Helga takes on the Gen Z critical outlook on everything, Miriam gets addicted to consuming social media.
Goddd I was a *huge* Hey Arnold fan back in the day and remember learning this was a thing when I would've been about Helga's age in it, I was so miffed it never got made; I mean Daria was great but frankly the bible makes it seem closer to an As Told By Ginger sort of thing. It's so wild to actually see all these outlines and concepts get leaked all these years later, really feels like closing a chapter on my childhood 🥲 thanks for covering this bc I prob wouldn't have heard about it otherwise.
Also shout-out to Craig for having that Mark Ryden print behind him, I have the same one in my house 😂
So glad The Jungle Movie finally got released. It was the only "reboot" that gave me some closure. SO good and SO wonderful. ❤
Man, this would have been such a cool series to have.
I don't think there's anything for Craig to be embarrassed about. The Patakis had amazing potential. And I wish MTV didn't pass on it. I still want this show to be made. Even all these years later.
If the jungle movie happened, then this could too.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 I mean.. the jungle movie was a mid-production thing that was cancelled and revived years later. this was just a pitch.
@@AnAverageGoblinwhere there's demand and the creators interested it could be made.
I’ll never have enough from the Hey Arnold franchise
Same here.
I still watch it on Hulu ❤❤❤
This should certainly still happen. Hey Arnold is a masterful piece of animation and would really benefit from a sort of "Epilogue Series." I would pick up graphic novel volumes of the stories continuation as well, any way to get it out there for fans!
Having an aged up Helga in a series all her own sounds cool. This has too happen I mean the jungle movie worked out ans was finally released so why not this series I mean it'll work even in 2023
I’d really like to see Craig’s take on The Patakis spin off series, and to see where this direction it’ll go if Nick let it green lit this show. I guess it was too realistic and dark for Nick to handle this take on real life issues.
Definitely would be too "mature" for Nickelodeon, but it would definitely fit in on MTV or the other "mature" Paramount/Viacom channels, as long as it didn't try to copy Daria.
I'm so bummed that no one wanted to pick this up. Hey Arnold is such a classic 😢
Now, this is the adult cartoons we need more of. Realistic yet hopeful, not just trying to be edgy and hip (ugh, Velma).
Exactly. I want to enjoy the show not want to rip the characters.
I need this to be an actual show
We all do
I need this to happen!! Also I wanna know what happened to the other characters, like Helga’s friend Phoebe.
OMG you got to talk with Craig Bartlett!!! That’s incredible.
He ahould re pitch this! Everyone knows we are in the age of nastogia but i respect if it isnt something he wants to do
I really hope this video finds it’s way to Nickelodeon and they connect with Craig to make this come to life.
Hey Arnold really built up its own world during the runtime and ended up more or less iconic in its time just as well and I have often thought about where the characters are now and what they could be doing. Along with the Helga Spinoff, I'd love to see the characters in various stages in life at least in the long Arnold and Helga lovestory.