J Sai Deepak Explains the Concept of Caste , Varna & Jaati | Q & A Session , IIT Madras
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Video Credits - Vande Mataram YT . This Interactive discussion with Shri J Sai Deepak was held on 30th October 2022 at CLT, IIT Madras.
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Shri J Sai Deepak is an engineer-turned-litigator practicing as an arguing counsel before the High Court of Delhi and the Supreme Court of India. He graduated with a bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering from Anna University (2002-06) and a bachelor’s degree in law from IIT Kharagpur (2006- 09). Civil Commercial litigation, Constitutional law, and Competition law are his primary areas of practice . He has been involved in numerous important cases, including those involving the Sabarimala Ayyappa Temple, the Sri Padmanabhaswamy Temple, the Basmati Geographical Indications, and the Indian Penal Code’s Marital Rape Exception. He received the Young Alumni Achiever’s Award from his home institution, IIT Kharagpur, in 2019. In addition to giving lectures on constitutional matters, he produces plenty of material for prestigious newspapers and periodicals.
About the Book -
India, That Is Bharat, the first book of a comprehensive trilogy, explores the influence of European 'colonial consciousness', in particular its religious and racial roots, on Bharat as the successor state to the Indic civilization and the origins of the Indian Constitution. India, Bharat and Pakistan, the second book of the Bharat Trilogy, takes the discussion forward. It explores the combined influence of European and Middle Eastern colonialities on Bharat as the successor state to the Indic civilization, and on the origins of the Indian Constitution. To this end, the book traces the thought continuum of Middle Eastern coloniality from the rise of Islamic Revivalism in the 1740s following the decline of the Mughal Empire, which presaged the idea of Pakistan, until the end of the Khilafat Movement in 1924, which cemented the road to Pakistan. The book also describes the collaboration of convenience that was forged between the proponents of Middle Eastern coloniality and the British colonial establishment to the detriment of the Indic civilization.
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caste is a scientific concpet...people have no clue!
Don't blame sanatan dharma for caste and dalits business.
Wealth and ego and to show to the invaders your superiority over the less fortunate of your own race to prop yourself up.
The Varna system is purely labour classification.
Since there were no schools, who is the better to teach their trade?
Obviously their father and in time the skills gets better.
Varna was not restrictive in that anyone can move up or down in the structure. (Proof.. Valmakie wrote the Ramayan and became a brahmin and Parsuram a brahmin became a warrior).
Jaati is just another word for tribe and a tribe will alwayscassist it member in need.
All over the world even today, the rich always look down on the poor.
Just look in India how maids are treated even if they are from the same jaati. 😊
In yhe Bhagawad Gita Lord Krishna says
CHATUR VARNA AND ASHRAMS WERE CREATED BY Lord Krishna Hinself .according to the GUNA AND KARMA .🙏
What Saideepak says is true .
Gita also Says those who's intelligence has been stolen worship idols 😂
@@nishanthlife398 may I please know which shlok you are talking about in the Bhagawad Gita? Could you quote the chapter and no.please?
@@padmamazumdar1012 gita 7 22 ,vedas also says idol worship is prohibited.... lol
@@nishanthlife398 7.22 doesn’t say don’t do idol worship. It says don’t worship only to get your desires fulfilled. When you pray only to get your desires fulfilled you will never focus on real bhagavat tatvam. Whole purpose of BG is to get person realize his potential and attain moksha and bhakti is easy way to achieve . And praying idols is one of the Navavidhi (9) ways of Bhakti mentioned.
@sreevanisadhu4179 I'm a student of comparative religion, vedas gita says God has no face don't worship idols pls don't for name sake argue lol read it properly
Dear hindus , pls stop arguing on past , and be a united HINDU atleast now. 🙏🏻
If you still disrespect lower caste why the hell would they be united.
@@shomikoto7558 did I say some thing to u chutiya?
@@shomikoto7558why will people accept them as lower on basis of birth?? Does they will disrespect their own parents by calling themselve lower first of all we need to change the upper and lower narrative
@@jfoij904 say that to Brahmins as they are the ones who created these cast hierarchy.
For the sake of brahmans profit
mr Sai should mentor youth in every aspect
history
Hinduism
politics
how to be truthful to oneself
😂😂😢😂🎉😅😂😂 (overdosing with emojis like typical ryt wing humor)
LOVE WHAT THE YOUNG MEN ARE WEARING 😍😍😍😍
Word Varna in Varna Vyavastha itself means Occupation in Sanskrit, means Varna vyavastha was purely occupational classification, in Bhagwadgita Shloka it was also mentioned that "Varna are given by me( Brahman/ Spreme soul) according to Guna(Qualities) and Karma(Work type)", yes later on this Varna Vyavastha probably might became so distorted and possibly misutilized by higher Varna People specially Brahmins, but despite of that their are sufficient evidences to support the fact that Varna's were interchangeable, Many Rishis were Shudra by birth and many Warriors were Brahmins by birth, so it was ultimately Work based system, every society has its own black past and elements so that ours also had, but we must need to recognize that it represents only one historical negative aspect of our society and culture, which had many more beautiful aspects as a whole then this negative one, and in reaction to this aspect we saw rise of new Mata's like Buddhism, Jainism, Charwaka etc. Which inherently purifying in nature for thousands year old Sanatana Dharmik civilization's eternal river, these movements continued till nighteen and twentieth centuries and even till today, i just want to conclude my point by giving an example, When a very big, long and old river starts from somewhere from Mount, by the time it naturally gets many impurities through its tributeries and till reaching the ocean it becomes most impure and polluted, same happened with Sanatana Dharma also, but historically we always does its purification, so when it reaches and murges to its ultimate goal that is Sea, it must be purest in best possible way, also We always had concept of Devas and Asuras and their fights, but Through their fights Sagar Manthan, Amrita must be generated for well being of All, "Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah, Sarve Santu niramaya, Sarve Bhadrani pashyantu, Maa kashchit dukhbhaag bhavet" this is essence of teaching of our Culture 🙏🏼🙏🏼 OM 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Where there is population, there will be classification based on clustering by some factor (work, god, land, culture, wealth, age, color, etc). where there is classification, discrimination is a natural outcome which is corruption.
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Varma literally means hue (color) referring to 4 principal qualities of humans
1. Seeker of life's knowledge (brahma + ayana)
2. Seeker of power (kshatra + atriya)
3. facilator of movement (vayu + asya)
4. Seeker of comfort (sama + aadra)
This is a human classification model by qualitive tendencies (thattva)
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Then there are humans who identify themselves by their community which is based on three factors - land (desha), lineage (jaati), occupation (kula)
Which we are referring to as caste
Various communities indulged in various parts of societal function based on what they seek in life. What they seek broadly falls under those for quadrants. Unfortunately stereotypes became norm and rigid, leading to corruption which we are seeing as casteism (caste discrimination)
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Note that Today we have democratized learning and distributed living. The above idea of social stratification that existed in pre industrialized world no longer holds valid 100% but still have influence based on sanskars of their community.
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varna/caste system..was purely science based..to create a better quality population...
@@stallionspirit9317 In Sanatana Dharma, their is always a scientific explanation for even a minute tradition and custom across whole Indian cultural diaspora, when customs were started, some of them for time being might be relevant and right for conditions and situations of that particular times, while many of them are still relevant till today, in Sanatana Dharma their is always a provision of Shastratha interpretation of particular custom or tradition by experts, and whoever wins in their explanations and facts that modification has to be done in Dharmic conduct and Dharmic literature also and thus to make a more corrected and purified form of Dharmic conduct for upcoming generations
@@stallionspirit9317which science?
@@dranuragdubeyphysio6379there was no science at that time stupid barbarians did not have any understanding of science.. Wrote all rubbish nonsense and it still because of blind faith followers.. Dumb fckrs not sure when will they change
There is no clear cut Varna system in South and Eastern India. It's only in Hindi belt and the peripheral states. Therefore, in South India, the forward Shudras acted as Kshatriyas and the Kayasthas in Bengal. Caste system may be diluted in South India and maybe Maharashtra. Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was a Shudra king and didn't have discriminatory attitude. But after him, in the Peshwas who were Brahmins practiced harsh and rigorous untouchability.
Would love to see a nuanced and we'll meaning debate/discussion from different view points. That is totally missing.
you uppercast people use our castes name as abusive word e.g. Bhangi, chamar, dhobi, kanjar..etc. and thinks that we should demand equal respect by keeping our caste fold…? u think we r dumb? we will fight till complete abolition of brahan dharm/ caste based society..
It will never happen, just convert to other religion
Could you please tell us more about our caste -baste society. Come on its 2024. I have seen more bhramin beggars , auto and rickshaw drivers , and dalits who run government jobs and business . It all comes down to your occupation , not your birth. Keep on dreaming about a bhraman dharma society , which is gone in today's terms
Dont fight. The new govt believes in a casteless society.So now start working on merit.
@@shomikoto7558by doing so, opt for hypocrisy and subjugation of another kind.
What did the lower caste CMs of many northern states do once they came to power? Nothing for the poor..
Where there is population, there will be classification based on clustering by some factor (work, god, land, culture, wealth, age, color, etc). where there is classification, discrimination is a natural outcome which is corruption.
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Varma literally means hue (color) referring to 4 principal qualities of humans
1. Seeker of life's knowledge (brahma + ayana)
2. Seeker of power (kshatra + atriya)
3. facilator of movement (vayu + asya)
4. Seeker of comfort (sama + aadra)
This is a human classification model by qualities (thattva)
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Then there are humans who identify themselves by their community which is based on three factors - land (desha), lineage (jaati), occupation (kula)
Which we are referring to as caste
Various communities indulged in various parts of societal function based on what they seek in life. What they seek broadly falls under those for quadrants. Unfortunately stereotypes became norm and rigid leading to corruption which we are seeing as casteism (caste discrimination)
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Note that Today we have democratized learning and distributed living. The above idea of social stratification that existed in pre industrialized world no longer holds valid 100% but still have influence based on sanskars of their community.
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varna means category.
@@darkprince2490 no. Varna literally means colour in sanskrit. In this case, it is referring to traits of the person
@@upadisettyI fully agree with you!
But felt sad that Sai Deepak vouched for equal respect while staying within the same caste folds. Respect doesn't change the stratification of people . Access to vedic knowledge elevates the soul. Seekers are not inherited ,but are characters that could come from any side. One should be scrutinized for a profession they wish for, not merely be supported on heirarchy. As like you said it's corruption and Sai is vouching for it.
Caste is very rigid western concept responsible conflict where as our is a Verna or Jati means more related to Community having specific characteristics and fluid in nature complementing eachother
What is the contribution done by Brahmins to the society?
To the attention of the highly revered JSD: The entire societal division has been done in terms of distribution of power. By clearly defining owners for each of Knowledge, Administrative powers, Money-making and Labour force, it has actually been ensured that there is no concentration of power. That is a hugely profound level of thinking, not just division of labour akin to departments in an organization. Brahmins were ordained to beg for their daily meals. Even if they had hereditary land (through royal grants, for ex), in the Shastras, it has clearly been mentioned that such sources of sustenance are inferior to begging. They are disallowed from possessing more than 2 sets of Dhotis. And we talk of Brahmin domination?!
Further, the study of Vedas wasn't Limited to Brahmins, it's the Thryvarnas who had to study and practise them by way of Sandhyavandhanam. Teaching is limited to Brahmins. All princes learnt them. The Pandavas are asked by Krishna to do it using DUST (in the absence of water) in the battlefield when the evening Sandhya time had been reached. It's only the labourers who didn't have to do them and frankly I don't know why and thus needs to be further explored.
Please read this book the beautiful tree by historian Dharampal ji it's about indigenous Indian education system and caste system please 😢😢😢
This guy is a professional liar. Just ask your grandparents about real life caste discrimination and they’ll be more honest this liar. Don’t believe any person who speaks fast and fluent English.
If a woman weaver was a vayitri how can we say women were absent from the ancient workforce?
Ours is varna system which is basically for different skills and profession, not connected to the profession of the parents. Sanatanis have to get out of this European word 'cast'. In fact every sanatani has to have all the four varna in him or her to be complete: Be Brahmin by acquiring knowledge and giving knowledge; Be Khatriya by being strong and ready to fight injustice by force, never be slave of others; Be Vaishya by mastering the skill of trade and business so that you do not have to depend on anyone for your livelihood; Be Sudra by invoking in you the passion to be at service of others. Geeta says, the purpose of life is to serve every living being because Bhagwan Krishn is inside each one of us.
Basically majority of the population across India is Shudra. It is not discriminatory. It is just a categorisation. Being in the service class job I am a Shudra
understand the science behind creating caste system
@@stallionspirit1576 brother learn the definition of that word before using it with caste system, there's no science, you must be referring to logic, even that would be missing.
@@analyticphil8621 i know the difference betweem varna and caste..but am using caste for varna..to make it easier for peopel to understand..who dont know wat varna is...calling caste is easier to explain..
What is your science? @@stallionspirit1576
@@stallionspirit1576u don't know anything about it
99 percent Indians were educated in gurukuls which was mentioned by lord Macaulay and Adam smith
Why does Sai deepak support reservation if there was no discrimination?
There is a video for it too go watch it
This is misleading
Please look at what heun tsang and alberuni and others writers said. Lingayat movement and Ambedkar hv shown how elitist brahminism was. I hv experienced biases in the current space.
It's the flaw of our religion.
There are 4 varnas - Brahmans (referring to the knowledge), Kshatriyas (protection of Brahman), Vaishyas (nourishment and production of Brahman), Shudras (supporting Brahman).
Now, look at any human being - including yourself!
As an individual, your duty is to acquire knowledge - to realize the purpose of your life. Hence, you are a Brahman.
It is your dharma to protect your Guru/family/kingdom when needed and hence you are a Kshatriya too.
It is your dharma to provide nourishment and help grow your lineage and therefore you are a Vaishya and as a Shudra, your dharma is to support the Brahman in you because if you have knowledge, you can be a better Kshatriya and a better Vaishya.
Therefore, you are all 4 varnas.
However, people in the olden days misinterpreted and misunderstood.
I am happy to correct myself if anyone can show me the source in Vedas or Puranas or any scriptures where it is said:
1. One varna is superior than the other.
2. A person belonging to one varna (in my opinion, this statement has no meaning because all 4 varnas are in you - how can you 'belong' to one varna alone?) cannot/should not learn/aspire to do activities of other varna.
For those who consider themselves to be upper caste, caste is sweet. Getting a free brag is going to suck
Good attempt at defending and disguising the truth but falls terribly short
okay smart ass then why not show an example and tell me a in which literature or Vedas does it talk about not touching shudras also can you tell me how many cases are happening now ? do you really think a problem that existed from thousands of years can just be wipe off from Indian society in just 75 years? untouchability or cast was never a part of society. if you still wanna be a dumbass be my guest
Good attempt to understand things from a librandu andhnamazy
@@OmPaik-b8cgood attempt in interpetating Gita's "Chatur varna maya srstam, guna karma vibhagasah." to "Chatur varna maya srstam, janma jati vibhagasah."
Adding to that is stay in the same caste fold and equal respect to you. Waah re waah!! You will learn all the Vedas, Upanishads and Bhram Sutras and yet be a modernist, as it becomes your birth right, while others be left only to Purans and bhakti.Privelaged hypocrite Sanatani.
Don't identify yourself with the imposed british caste system! Start saying you are SANATANI and the caste system will vanish automaticly.
Untouchability started from Buddhism.
😂😂😂😂 lol what are you smoking
@@shomikoto7558 tripitak, your holy books.
Caste is invention of Hinduism or sanatan dharma. When people converted to other religions from Hindu eg Sikh, Christianity and Islam their social status didn't change and society didn't forget their caste. That's why you see caste in other religions in india. It's not the case for Muslims and Christians outside india.
Main difference between class which you find in almost every feudal society and caste in India is
1. Caste was determined by birth with no social mobility
2. Endogamy no intercaste marriages especially with lower caste or out caste (both are different).
3. No where in the world it was sanctioned by religion like we did.
Last anybody who is blaming Muslims or British for caste discrimination is purposefully lying.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
caste an invention..is a scientific concept...people dont realise it yet!
If you have realized pls explain 😂
caste/varna system..was a brilliant scientific method..that improved quality of population...and made us richest..for thousands of years...
caste/varna based system..was a brilliant science based method...to improve quality of population.and made us the richest...in the world..for thousands of years...
Do not agree. Rigveda mentions Chndal etc castes.
Can you please provide additional details? Which chapter/shloka etc.?
'Chandal ' was a child born from low Varna man and higher Varna man ....read smritis for that ........caste is a British concept ....it does not have any relationship with any of our scriptures......Varna and jatis are Indian concepts don't equate it with rubbish and totally bullshit caste concept
For most missionaries and anti Hindu groups of India with vested interests it is alright to blindly put the blame of all sort of evils of our society on patriarchal brahminism but when few amongst the latter raise their voice against it they cry foul. So much to their sense of equality and social justice .
"Negative connotation" , God........ Again "The concept of caste did not exist; the concepts of Varna and Jati exist" . Period. Stop this tarka vitarka (actually a monologue) trying to prove something that is not. You are conveniently asking present-day Muslims to disown past 'atrocities,' of their ancestors while you go to great lengths to explain and quote your own 'Romila Thapar' in the name of 'Nicholls Dougs' or 'nothing doublous' who? I don't know when we will accept past mistakes in what ever form with what we endeded up here and start unification and move on to have better society.
Good exactly my thoughts. By the way It’s Nicholas Dirks.
@@anuragkhattak3230 I am not that well-read and didn't know who this guy is. I looked him up, but it doesn't matter. What matters is how many separatists and caste-based parties won in this election. Perception on ground matters. Lets unify people.
Sir plz ek vidio Islamist and leftist alliance ke baare me ho jaye.
Again BS as usual! Instead of quoting a Portuguese, he must know that Lord Krishna said so in The Gita: “chaAturvarnyam Maya srushtam, Guna karma vibhaagashaha” meaning: the 4 varnas were created by Me, (the Lord), based on divisions within the mankind according to (vAsanas of past births) virtues or merits and karma that a person indulges in. And vAsanas or poorva janma influences are driven by the three Gunas - Sathva, Rajas, Tamas. The greatest relief the ancient Hindu thought offers is, “every living thing (including a sinner), is evolving at his or her own pace”. And as Swami Vivekananda admonished the faith that advocates sinners versus saints: “it is a sin to call a man a sinner”. That’s the profundity of our ancient wisdom and it is wise for Sai Deepak NOT to search for answers in Portugal!!
Pilot job has height requirement as SAFETY REQUIREMENT.
Hard-working boy does well in all written exams but does not meet height requirement.
So, for safety of passengers he is not allowed to be a pilot.
Hence,for any Job (varna) there is a combination of Guna (appitude, hard work) + things we cannot influence (Karma, eg: being too short at age 21 at play).
@@Dr.ManimalarSelviNaicker
A hardworking boy did great in written examination, has perfect height and health, yet got rejected because he is not son of a pilot. Only son of a pilot can become a pilot. This is the problem of Hindu social decide.
@@sidharthapatra4296
That may be a problem with Indians. Not Hindus.
No BS
The word is Portuguese & thus foisted on us
He's clear
You must appreciate his clarity & it gels well with GITA too
@@Krupashanker18 word is Portuguese, but not the system. Origin of that word is out of context. The problem is with the system.
Reforms are put on a high pedestal by the western critic,but reforms are necessary only when things go wrong.The colonisers first destroyed the functioning society of land they visit and then started to promote reforms posing as saviour.
The problem talking about caste because every child when the join the government adk caste. You are under lord Shiva surveillance ❤
Shudra literally means serving people, all the government or privately employed person considered shudras.
There are numerous example of people changed their profession and varnas,
Ved Vyasa born in Dhimmer family (Fishermen)
Valmiki, kapil muni and many other sages considered Brahmins.
😊😊😊
Correction. Sudra (sama+aadra) seeker of comfort. These are people who wants to lead life safely. Hence they live life in a reactionary manner. Their lives oscillate between comfort and discomfort. He achieves comfort by sticking to solving a small problem at hand and making living out of it.
They don't seek solving bigger problems which puts them out of comfort zone. They don't like taking risks.
At 5:41, the statement made by sai deepak is extremely misleading. Historically, lower castes, particularly Dalits, were indeed forbidden from accessing temples. Events such as the Kalaram Mandir Satyagraha and the Mahad Satyagraha led by Dr. B.R. Ambedkar were significant protests against this discrimination. These actions were necessary to challenge the upper caste’s malignant mentality that opposed Dalits entering temples or drinking water from public places.
In recent times, incidents like the 'Khairlanji hatyakaand' and the 'Hathras rape case' are horrific examples of ongoing caste discrimination.
While Sai Deepak's statements might sound ideal in theory, the reality, both historically and currently, is quite different. Around 70% of India's population lives in villages, where caste discrimination is still very prominent. Sai Deepak's perspective seems detached from this reality, perhaps because he hasn't personally faced such issues. He discusses the vilification of Brahmins but conviniently ignored the historical and ongoing discrimination by upper castes against lower castes.
My criticism is not against Brahmins as a whole, but against the harmful mentality and superiority complex that some upper caste individuals exhibit. The reason for discussing upper and lower castes is because it reflects the ground reality. If Sai Deepak genuinely wants to stop the vilification of Brahmins, he should encourage his community to actively work towards eradicating caste discrimination. It's unreasonable to discriminate against people and then expect not to be called out on it. No one is villifying brahmins, they are just being held accountable for their discriminatory actions.
After listening to Sai Deepak's talk, it is clear that his information is misleading, likely due to his lack of personal experience with these issues. People should be cautious and critical of his statements, regardless of his authoritative personality and fluent English.
Let's say your education made you a doctor and mine made me a lawyer. Would you say education is divisive, let's eradicate it?
Sanatana Dharma has broadly 4 varnas and all 4 have almost equal role in human existence.
In a society
1. You can't live without knowledge
2. You can't live without strength and power
3. You can't live without trade
4. You can't live without cleanliness and civic system.
If and whenever someone says a person doing #3 is not worthy of doing let's say #2, that "someone" is the problem
Sir its strastisfaction was done..but dont you think that had changed to discrimination????
IN MANU scripts and other sukthas its clearly mentioned how shudras are lowest class and how they should not mingle with upper castes..also brahmins have logically twisted scenarios saying shudras are born from feet of GOD..
For the same mistake shudras are punished more to the level that their tongues have to be cut,their hands have to be cut .but 3 uller castes has to pay just the money...
It’s not concept , talk the reality
Super Sai
Me.Sai, categorization already come from Shiva. That is what has become today’s caste system due to which millions of people have suffered for thousands of years. Do not keep blaming colonizers. They at least have brought some relief to these suffering caste people. You can keep talking in public like this as long as BJP is in power.
Who suffered before invasions because of caste , no one . All are equally respected. Every one use to take pride in their caste . Discrimination is happening about your color, region , country all over the world . Will your give up your regional/ country if you are discriminated based on that ? People don’t want caste for only one reason, just they can satisfy their sexual needs. They call it love , down the lane 3 years into marriage they get divorced or one party kills himself or herself.
Why can’t he talk same way all the time ? When non BJP comes to power they won’t let him talk , they will take away personal freedom to express their thoughts from people ?
Why all peryarites behave like Dumb F*cks???
Please stop using word caste for Hindu society. We have Varna and Jaati. But no caste please.
caste/varna...was based on science!
Caste came from varnas
Sanatana dharma dividing people from unity
Brahmin
Kshetriya
Vishya
Shudra
@@ranveendurgam3325 caste was science based..to create a better population...u have no idea!
@@ranveendurgam3325 caste was one of the primary reasons...we became the richest country in the world
@@stallionspirit9317 which science?
Sai speaks and marxists vanish.
If any Muslim want to come in Hinduism...... please tell what is caste and Verna alloted for that new comer Hindu...
His caste would be Muslim, varna is most likely sudra. Caste is which community you identity yourself with based on land-lineage-occupation, Varna is what you are seeking? (Comfort is sudra, power is kshatra, facilitator of movement is vysya, seeker of brahma gnana is brahmin)
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@@dmanair muslim will be made shudra...coz shudra was a caste for the uneducated!
@@upadisetty kashmir muslim were brahmin pundits Rajasthan Gujarat, uttar pradesh Himachal muslim were rajputh
There's no unity in sanatana dharma that's why North india was under slavery more than 800 years
@@ranveendurgam3325 there was no unity among kingdoms (not castes)...all the kingdoms were rulled by the same kshatriya caste..dont spread junk ideas!
Sir its strastisfaction was done..but dont you think that had changed to discrimination????
IN MANU scripts and other sukthas its clearly mentioned how shudras are lowest class and how they should not mingle with upper castes..also brahmins have logically twisted scenarios saying shudras are born from feet of GOD..
For the same mistake shudras are punished more to the level that their tongues have to be cut,their hands have to be cut .but 3 uller castes has to pay just the money...
The thing is untouchables were casteless and classless
And it did exist before the colonisation..... And they were discriminated...
Bro, the Manhattan Project itself is the proof of the merits of the varna system "social or occupational class", they independently arrived at the same structure of hierarchy for furthering interests, that's all the proof we need.
Hierarchy was not determined based on birth?! Thats the difference
So, who asked the untouchables, i.e., the Sudras, whether they wanted to be Sudras?
If the scriptures were given by the gods, did the gods want them to be untouchable?
Not only did the gods create a tribe of slaves, but they also wanted them to worship them.
’You can't be priests, but you can worship me.’
That certainly must have made their hearts rejoice.
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If the scriptures were written by man, then man used God's name to create the caste system.
If the scriptures were written by man, which man?
To what extent did the tribe of scapegoats have influence over the composition of Man's Shastras?
Shudra are not untouchable
Only some part of Dalita(Panchama) are untouchable, who varna(occupation) was garbage collection.
As an Amsa of God , it is the responsibility of Lord Brahma to create the bodies with nature to ensure the individual goes through the Karmaphala as intended by the Pure Consciousness (Para Brahmam / God).
The same God element is present within everyone of us.
Scriptures are not man-made.
It is given to us humankind by the Rishis and Munis.
Read the meaning for the root word for "Muni". You will understand.
When one attains the stage of Samaadhi, one will be able to perceive the truth about the ccosmos / universe and discover the mantras floating in the universe / space. Sages were able to attain the stage of Samaadhi easily unlike us and discovered the scriptures through performing penance.
🙏sir Jai hind organise some debates with difrent comunity
Peoples what is the past indiscrimination 60 percent
Socialmedia plotfoarm spreading
Anti bramanisam in the society
YOU ARE REALLY TIGER 👍
Vedanta is only way forward for hinduism..
Dalits when J Sai Deepak explained the concept of caste,jati,varna:-He is telling lies, propaganda.
Dalits when J Sai Deepak told to abolish the caste system in another video:-He is good, knowledge person.
This shows how hypocrate Dalits are and it shows that how dalits only support a person only when it suits their propaganda.
Even upper caste people are like that, what is your point??? Your religion created caste, upper caste used it to exploit poor low caste, you made a book to do that damn 😂😂😂😂
Britishers ruled half the countries of world, why caste is only in India, caste came from manusmriti, Caste came from brahma body, brahmins, kshathriya, vayshya, shudhra all are sanskrit words. Don't blame on britishers, don't cover .
In white countries, there was racism. There is no perfect scenario.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
Caste is invention of Hinduism or sanatan dharma. When people converted to other religions from Hindu eg Sikh, Christianity and Islam their social status didn't change and society didn't forget their caste. That's why you see caste in other religions in india. It's not the case for Muslims and Christians outside india.
Main difference between class which you find in almost every feudal society and caste in India is
1. Caste was determined by birth with no social mobility
2. Endogamy no intercaste marriages especially with lower caste or out caste (both are different).
3. No where in the world it was sanctioned by religion like we did.
Last anybody who is blaming Muslims or British for caste discrimination is purposefully lying.
@alpeshmittal3779 2. Who's is a suta when caste mixing is not possible. Same mahabharata respects vidura, sutapuranika, vedavyasa. Duryodhana, a villain, calls vidura daasiputra but the heroes pandavas always respected him. Other religions have believers vs non believers. I do not believe in discrimination of anyone.
Gita also says each one born in any yoni is eligible for moksha. Krishna didn't stay with ksatriyas or dronacharya brahmana but stayed at the place vidura. What is he trying to emphasise?
Please understand the deeper meaning.
When we do our swa-dharma (prescribed occupational duties - your duty could be a student, a teacher, an electrician, a CEO, a cleaner, a mechanic, a garbage man - anything), we should do things that can be done naturally by you (if you are a student, be a good student; if you are a mechanic, be a good mechanic; if you are a cleaner, be a good cleaner etc.) - do things that are natural to your personality - like how a bird flies naturally, like how a fish swims naturally. And when you follow your dharma this way, your mind should/will involuntarily becomes free to be engaged in devotion.
No where it is mentioned that a cleaner can't become a CEO - of course, you are free to do what you want but choose your dharma so that your hands are in the society serving society but your mind is occupied with God.
In the Shlola 18.47, it is mentioned: When one becomes spiritually accomplished the swa-dharma changes. It no longer remains at the bodily platform; it becomes the dharma of the soul, which is devotion to God. At that stage, one is justified in giving up occupational duties and engaging wholeheartedly in devotion because that is now the swa-dharma of one’s nature.
Mr. Sai deepak:
Caste, jaati and varna are all synonymous with classification of people based on their profession, ancestry, and mental and physical temperaments. Caste comes with birth and also due to significant exceptional achievements (eg parashurama). A brahmin is a brahmin when he is born, remains a brahmin and dies a brahmin. The bhagavad gita give a clear unambigius explanation of caste by birth and what happens when you deviate from your caste duties. No amount of convoluted explanations can defy what is scientific, spiritual and religiously doctrine.
I would like to attach an different comment vis a vis your views on reservations
Mr. Sai, I agreed with what you argued in the sabari mala case, but with everything else I say that's your fast talking high falutin bullshit is no substitute for clear well thought out reasoning. In many other issues and this in particular I cannot disagree with you more.
1) you yourself have talked about false and dustorted history written and perpetuated by left based historians. I have read my daughters cbse history textbooks (written incidentally by the great sagarika ghose). Every second sentence in most chapters have the purport ..."and the brahmins were the reason for all ills of the time". All this is false and baseless. Brahmins NEVER exploited or suppressed any other people. I am from a agraharam in the heart of kerala, and the only "discrimination" was my grandmothers story that her grandmother would dip freshly washed and ironed clothes in water before taking them into the house. Remember COVID, there was a perfectly valid reason for it. Discrimination, was done NOT by brahmins, but by upper classes like nairs, menons, mudaliars, vellara, thevvars, kapus, kammas and so on. So in your eloquence, do not tar brahmins. They are already being hit from every side.
2) inefficiency : if you go for treatment in any government or private hospital, you are not assured of safe return. Why? Because with generation after generation of reservations, with more reservations being tagged on every year, it is impossible for a brilliant brahmin to become a super specialist of any kind. At the MD level, it has become 100% reservations for ABCS,BBCS,
..XBCS,ST, SC RURAL MUSLIM MINORITY etc, the only place for brahmins is non clinical subjects where they even have to compete with the bottom of the barrel. Semi qualified quacks dispense iffy medicine, the end result is upto god. Imagine a situation with hundreds of brahmin specialists - india would have really become the hospital of the world, leading in the latest procedures and technologies.
3) go to any government office. Observe what goes on. The only things you will see is lethargy, sloth, extreme indifference and an overall inducer of nausea. Why? You know the reason.
4) you waxed high and low about article 370 being a time limited act, and getting rid of it was correct. Why are you so stunningly silent on the longevity of reservations which is also time limited?
After all why should the present generation make atonements for imaginary injustices on others many hundreds of years ago.
A persons caste comes from birth based on the deeds done in the previous lives. A brahmin is bien a brahmin and lives and dies a brahmin, irrespective of his life style. How? If caste is something bestowed bases on current lifestyle, please explain how a brahmin family should do the upanayanam at age 6 and so on, if the caste itself is indeterminate?
Caste was based on profession . As long as they followed their own profession there was no problem. RP
caste is a scientific concept!
You study read science again
Clear cut relegious bigotry!
Understanding different views is important. Let's respect all perspectives and foster open discussions.
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In curiosity, I went to see the video section of this channel and now I don't have any doubt that it is purely dedicated to Jai Sai Deepak.
Why don't you change the name of the channel to something like, "Jai Sai Talks and Discussions".
Because here over 98% of the videos have a thumbnail of Jai Sai Deepak in it.
Is this how the RSS launders you the money?
Is it Illegal to post videos of J Sai Deepak ?
@@clearCutTalks No, Who said it is? I am just saying that you should've named the channel after Jai Sai Deepak so that the audience has a clear understanding of what this channel is all about.
I don't have any grudge against Deepak just that this channel hasn't found any other privileged Brahmin to question the past just to validate that they were right all along.
I believe there is a very thin line between Religious preaching and Communalism and this man has fearlessly been jumping over and over again without even thinking of the impact.
I feel pity for him that he is not only questioning our past deeds but the constitution itself that has given him the right to do so. He may be an Advocate, but the law he preaches isn't what he has been taught by profession.
May be not illegal. But it is inhumane to preach hatred through lies and deception or in any other way. Ofc Our constitution allows freedom of speech for you as well and when did you guys ever used the constitutional laws to do good for the common people in the entire Indian history. You were preaching about how great your religion is when there was a famine. Now amidst of all this inflation, unemployment, you'd appeal to the court that you don't want two lions named Seetha and Akbhar to be in the same cage. Your history stinks enough. Someday the FC and OBC population of this country will realize what their ancestors have actually done to each other and to SC/ST and what they're doing now. It will happen and that day will be the end of your hate politics.@@clearCutTalks
If we see the exact meaning of "Jati"
Jati word origin from Jani word mean Janm , Birth
So Jati means Birth
Varna word origin from Vri means Varan , Chosen.
So Varna mean Chosen.
Caste word origin from Portuguese Spanish word Kasta mean Lineage
Lineage in Sanskrit is Vansa
So exact Translation of Caste is Vansa.
As : Maurya Vansa , Chola Vansa , Gupta Vansa
Vansa (Lineage) is Caste (Lineage)
Not Varna (Chosen) and Jati (Birth)
Jai Dharma🧡
Jatis were a form of decentralized self-governance and self-support system wherein each member of the society adhered to the norms of the society and provided for the security and wellbeing of its members it was a kind of self help self insurance mechanism for its members.
The word “caste” has its origins in Latin (castus), which means chaste or pure. Caste made its way into the Indian lexicon with the arrival of the Portuguese in the 1700s. Due to low productivity and short growing period Europe relied heavily on slaves and bonded labor. Slaves were brought into Europe from different parts of the worlds mostly from Africa and Asia but the Church made it sure to keep the Christian lands and Christian bloods pure. This was done by castrating male slaves so that they could not reproduce and by killing or castration of mixed race off-springs of female slaves.
Destruction of Indic Self Governance and self support system was done through the Mapping of European feudal and caste system on Indian social order. During this colonial era, a cash crop economy was introduced in Africa and India, and this was administered through harsh methods that alienated the King and his chiefs from the rest of the population. Fuedal system exercised strict control over the land through the exploitation of labor or tenants of the land. It introduced debt bondage and indentured servitude with similarities to and differences from slavery. European social hierarchy or caste system was established serving the purpose of British into Indian legal and administration system. Until Mughal Era the zamindars were not proprietors resulting in less productivity and revenue collections. The East India Company under Lord Cornwallis, realising this, made Permanent Settlement in 1793 with the zamindars and made them proprietors of their land in return for a fixed annual rent and left them independent for the internal affairs of their estates. Church through its policy of terra nullius uprooted natives of forest land and destroyed their culture and civilization in order to exploit their resources.
Varna system was the theoretical basis and model for social and professional order conceived for the smooth functioning of the Society and its governance. However in reality Jatis determined the true social order it had its own system of ruling it formed the most abundant, customary and practical form of social order on ground. Jatis framed their own rules and regulations for managing the conduct of its members and establishing relationship with other Jatis as well as the sovereign ruler. Jatis were further subdivided into SUBJATIS on the basis of economic, social criterion.
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Just because you master English, doesnt mean you can justify everything by your elite words. If you are so much concerned please dont speak English please speak and converse in Sanskrit with your elite group
Seems like your mind can't comprehended details, you just want simple yes/no, good/bad.
there is nothing elite in his words.. just distorted history..He is trying to casteism in india was introduced by colonisers..
@@emilmohan1000 in a million years, you could never understand what he is saying, forget agree or disagree🤦♂️
Strangely, Ambedkar and Ambedkarites are never criticized who have continuously spew venom on Hindus, Hinduism and caste system !! Ambedkar Appeasement or fear ??
Caste discrimination everywhere all over india bcz of sanatana dharma
Bcs it's true.. Hinduism is poised by guys like Nai deepak
The only guys who spew venom are pseudo intellectuals like Sai Deepak, Anand Ranganathan and gang behind P Guru channel. Shame!
Why your ancestors created caste system??? You exploited and oppressed Dalits for ages, so now when they speak you feel threatened?
Forget concept...read """Manusanghita"""see what is the treatment to nonbrahmins..talk about reality...harharmahadev
Which bramhman in your life came and affected your life.. don't be a idiot..
In society in. Many level people will influence.. u r life.. don't be accept dharma..
@@ragavendrankragavendrank7098hey privileged ignorant , live Dalits life and then say this
Humble suggestion to you, pls don't go by past stories and current trends. What you see today was sowed long back just to achieve this hatred. Hinduism does not preach what is prevalent today.
We need to dig deep and figure out why was these policies implemented in the planned and systematic approach to devide our society??
Pls ponder over it. I have gone through it in details but I believe to unearth to truth you must figure out yourself. Rather than believing history or fabricated truth which is prevalent. Thanks to you. Make an effort to clear your bias.
@@ragavendrankragavendrank7098 which British came to you and hurt you? Certainly none. Could you say Netaji Base was unnecessarily fighting with them?
@@ragavendrankragavendrank7098 we accept God not dharma
Ekalavya and karna had faced massive caste discrimination in mahabaratha at that time there's no British and Portugal rule
caste is based on science....people have no clue!
What science please explain
@@shomikoto7558 genetic science
@@shomikoto7558 genetic science
@@shomikoto7558 genetic science
@@shomikoto7558 geneticScience
After distinguishing between caste and varna, J Sai Deepak then uses them carelessly. E.g. the Marxists don’t tell you about the people who sought to remedy discrimination within the varna system - not as Deepak carelessly says, caste system.
Incidentally the much reviled Mahatma Gandhi was one of those who wanted to end discrimination but keep varna.
The word Sudra is actually Kshudra,the easily understood Sanskrit word.
The Reddy king in any saasana was called Sudra Kshatriya to appease & limit that caste.
The land was always owned by the Aaryan castes or the ruling and the production teams were assigned with land to tie them to village to consolidate revenue for the ruling.
JSD may do better by debating and not sitting with readers of pre-scripted.
Untouchability never existed in ancient Bharat . Like the in any society , distortions creep in , Untouchability is one such examples . Must get rid of it . Other than this , Varna did exist before and now in future across all the nations in this world which is based on individual competences
Being such a great lawyer and have ocean of knowledge… His deep rooted caste cult didnt let him learn about what atrocities caste brought in society and how hindus are subjected in divisions and how they face discrimations in society… very sad.. No wonder how this man is living in cult and forgetting all the other sections of hindu society. What is the use of your fluency and knowledge when you left huge section of society and addressing one sect of society and asking other caste to obey the vedas class of distinction. Think about it how largely hindus were poorly treated before britishers till independence and what goodnees it brought to society. It was knowledge which made people observe the errors in society and kept away from discrimations and promote equality, respect to other caste rather than living a life of caste supremacy. I would say 90% of hindus believe in living a life with dignity and respect today and they are far have wisdom and knowledge than this single man.
What a easy job . Put every social evil like sati , child sacrifice, child marriage, temple prostitution/ devadasi, untouchability on Christian missionaries and make people to believe it. Scholar Deepak narrating new history to elite students in IIT Chennai. How many social or religious reforms made by religious leaders in erstwhile Indian subcontinent before British came to India .? Truth is like sunshine it is visible for anyone with eyes.
you are talking about as if sati is still going on wake to present time dumb ass .....its been gone for 300 years, are you comparing temples with madarsa or something mind giving me numbers or any analysis report to back up your claim ? thats a time hearing temple prostitution lol where did come with those shiits, how prostitions are happening is four hindu pilgrimages can you tell no? what about the child marriages. its a fact that india was invaded for 800 years by turks , afgans , europeans etc so ofc not everthing was a sunshine, vedas never talk about child marriesgs its a recent phenominon around 800-600 years or so, its same for sati dont you find it weird that sati just came out of nowhere and gone instantly? yk why cuz during turk invasion they attack sindh region 1st king was defeated and all 100 servants women's and queen jump into fire just to save their Chasity.....thats the origin of sati. womens killing themselve so invaders cant rape them or use them as salve.
abrahamic religions are poison for society wheather it is chrisnaty or islam , they only want exert dominance . if you don't believe me read the conversion reports coming from north east region its scary 30 years and conversion from 0.5% to 49%
If it so then BR. Ambedkar has done the same thing as him, read who were the shudras and the untouchables by DR . BR Ambedkar.
Periyarite spotted... Hinduism is much more than those you have mentioned..
@@vamshikrishna9916 why can't vedas be democratised then? Why the hierarchical caste fold of occupation,? If vedas say every child at birth is a shudra and later attains varna by his/her qualities, why we still sticking to birth based caste system which itself was corrupt ever since as shown in Mahabharat which lead to discrimination/stratification as centuries to follows. I have seen many characterless upper caste people doing all sorts of tamasic things also do they discrimate, and then enjoy the privelages of being under the bracket to channelize influence. What a hypocrisy! Caste system may not be abolished, but it shouldn't certainly be birth based. It should be democratised just like modern education system where you gotta prove your caliber to be a desired professional. And access be open for all. This kind of mere equality but be in the same caste fold as if we chose to be born in a community, is like icing on the cake. Still you aren't fully Hindu.
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Gautam Buddha himself left Hinduism because of its rigidity such as caste system and all bs, was he also a British agent??
That was one of the 4-5 reasons. The Buddha clearly told his followers that he should not be treated as a deity. But after his passing, that was exactly what happened. So, stratification in any religion sets in after some time. Do you know that female monks were not ordained even in Buddha's time? So will entire Buddhism be treated as bad?
Counter argument to downplay any Hindu unity
@@AM-zk7pj There can be no Hindu unity as long as caste persists.
We respect Gauthama Bhuddha. But neither his stance on Vedas and yagnas nor on the societal structure can be accepted. Because there is a fundamental flaw due to lack of guidance during his times. Though he is considered as an avatar of Lord Maha Vishnu he is not worshipped by Vedanthis. But still we have respect for him.
Understand the rhythm of the universe. One can disregard / annihilate the Varna system as it is eternal. Even after the Pralayam / Maha Pralayam, the Varna System will be revived bavk to its originality as mentioned in the Manu Smriti.
In fact, we are in the 7th Manvantaram of the ongoing day of Lord Brahma (Kalpam = Day of Lord Brahma). Swetha Varaha Kalpam.
@@shomikoto7558 did budda personally claim it? Don't write bullshit you evangelist. Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism all are the home grown native religion of this land. You bastard don't try to downplay the British and Islamic destruction of our land and culture using Gautam buddha as your tool