@@kenanisrael9323 Yoshi has been dogshit for several years and now that he's playable you want him nerfed? Seems like you're just shit at the game tbh
@@2hot4u68Except the change was clearly implemented to make it punishable moron. Not only that, you used to be able to step-duck-launch. It wasn't even that hard but the move was still far too abusable for against new players. So this was meant to make it more punishable. Not less
@@2hot4u68 yeah I agree a plus on block attack that deals chip damage shouldnt be punishable when stepped, maybe send an application to namco to work for their game design team
As a QA, this is actually true if a QA is in their company. I believe they hire QA from another company(a.k.a contractors) reason there are no experienced QA handling tekken. If an experienced Tekken QA handling this, it may pinpoint this issue.
@@katherynlee2421 exactly what I thought as well. I really feel like they just hired some contractors for both QAs and Devs. It seems that Namco is some kind of corrupt company where they keep the money for themselves like seriously, they earned a lot on tekken 7 and got these kinds of problems in the new game while Capcom hasn't earned that much in SF5 but look how they managed the game and even offered a prize pool of $1,000,000.
@@aidangillard2041 he's either trying to be optimistic in that video or say something controversial for engagement. He's way better than Kazuya in almost every way. The only thing kaz has that dj doesn't have an equivalent or near-equivalent of is ff3. Maybe df2 but dj has better homing moves and has counterhit strings that are safe and CH confirmable. Then he has decent pokes which Kazuya doesn't, morning crow, a hellsweep which either locks down for more damage than kazuyas or launches (can rage art after which is incredibly good). The heat smash which is just beyond broken, MC mix, an easy 15 frame launch, and a grab bag of other useful moves and gimmicks that still work at pro level.
Not a buff. Really just resets it into neutral again when sidestepped. Compared to before you were jailed and had to stay on the defensive, not even at neutral.
I feel like azucena is the kind of character that will watch their own home town burn then smile and dance at the thought of replacing it with her coffee shops
Seriously though, there needs to be people who need to be fired with a chance to replace them with people with actual knowledge of adjustments. Harada: Don't ask me for shit! Me: NO HARADA. You *seriously* need to fix this shit.
The thing with DVJ where they broke everyone's wall breaks and floor breaks for such a simple fix should've gotten someone fired. Awful software development
@@Dominik-ru8on you're saying being a high high would ruin the move? It would condition the opponent to duck creating mind games and opening them up for mids
@@thedirectorscut4848Hey hey interesting gameplay in T8?? Can't have that. But to be fair that's literally Claudio with his WR setup. No way that would kill the move seeing how stacked it is.
@@Dominik-ru8on It doesn't delete the move, get real. You don't HAVE to do wr32 every time you run up to the opponent and if they start ducking every time you do then that just opens up mid options. It's not like OP suggested to make the move do 1 dmg.
If you look closely at 3:48, when Jin sidesteps he is pulled in the direction of Azucenas movement up until the point that the sidestep is cancelled with crouch. His feet are sliding along the floor as you are pulled with an invisible force towards her. Hypothetically, the longer you stay in sidestep, the closer you should be to Azucena at the end of her move. Look at it frame by frame. This seems to be an artifact of normal Tekken sidestep mechanics, and is only so obvious and weird in this case because of the distance the move covers and the sidestep>crouch option select. Or perhaps there is some sort of flag not set correctly due to the next button in the string having tracking? I can't imagine that anytime you sidestep any move at any range in this game that there's an invisible force which pulls you in the direction of what would be the position that the devs want you to be in when you sidestep at range 0-1; but it seems that with this move it drags your character towards the spot next to Azucena even if she is now a million miles away. Maybe this is obvious and I just don't know Tekken? I bet if you sidestep > dash forward you can punish this very easily, obviously with the downside of not being able to block.
The only thing i know is that when side walking you slowly approach your opponent, also, i think you gotta side step the knee and just punish asap, so its prolly harder to whiff confirm, they prolly shouldve just made this moves elbow not track but here we are
yeah, looks like engine jank. camera has some sort of border to prevent clipping into characters/weird interaction, but in effect also cuts off some movement towards the camera. you'd think with the time they had to work on this this wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, yet here we are. Might be ue5 teething pains
@@2hot4u68 Yeah makes perfect sense. Full-screen huge hitbox jumping neutral skip that's plus on block and totally resets neutral if the opponent guesses the timing perfectly. This move has absolutely no weakness. It has NO COUNTERPLAY
Josie had the same issue with her powercrush (df+3+3) they buffed the speed of it in season1 or season2 so when you stepped or blocked it off axis, she flew to africa too and it was hard to punish her
@@Dominik-ru8on she is very cool, she is still new an there will be the time where she gets the nerf they all want so bad for one fcking move in a specific Situation which is kinda rare. Overlooking characters with Kits 2 Times stronger than her's ...
Voctor‘s fff2 is insane too. If you time it correctly, you can catch your opponent side step or even counter hit launch them. It can also perfectly makes up with heat up 1+2 in mid range because your opponent don’t wanna do anything in mid range risking eat a 54 dmg heat u1+2
If I had to guess her second hit is what stopped her momentum so just blanket preventing that from coming out on whiff makes her fly to half screen, so essentially it's nerfed as a mid range poke and buffed basically everywhere else
I think it just cut the recovery down significantly, same distance just waay more time to get a punish. She rarely went past you since the second hit tracked back into your model as you were ducking, stopping her from flying past. So from veeeery rarely getting past you to always doing it with faster recovery is what's happening here.
Suggestion: 1. Revert the changes of the last patch 2. Make the followup duckable if the knee hits on its first and maybe second active frame. The first hit by itself should be up to -9 on block. Players already found a solution with sidestep duck if Azucenas WR32 is telegraphed. This change would just remove it beeing mindlessly spammed in your face while still allowing mindgames and pressure up close for Azucena. Maybe that is not perfect but it is worth trying out Bamco!
Soon as I saw the Tekken Talk/patch notes I'd figured this would happen. Didn't know about her BT parry though, that's just the icing on the cake. I think literally everyone that faced that move thought "the tracking on the elbow is the problem." It's insane that the Bamco devs went "well let's just make it not come out then" without even a moment's pause to think about the ramifications of that change.
Yes! They did buff. My confusion lies in the fact that they made it safe on whiff. If it was overpowered, why would the solution be to make is safe. Doesn’t anybody else have a WR move like this? Assuming I don’t fk up my input and den with Lars, I’m getting punished on a sidestep. The solution the the second hit tracking was not to send it after a target on the other side of you. When that knee gets sidestepped, the proper action is for that follow up to also whiff while she remains in place to eat a punish. Also, is that WR move one input or do people have to commit to the follow up after the knee? Not that it’s much of a commit since you’re safe.
I think it's WR 3,2 but if the knee whiffs the elbow won't come out even if you input the 2. Pre sure that's what it said in the patch notes haven't tried it myself though so not 100% sure
Yes slash kicks were always highly steppable with slow recovery because it's a move with stacked properties. Low crush, advancing, advantage on block. That is probably be below average for a good move in T8 though.
A player refusing to play a game with busted things in it is pretty bad, if you ask me🤣 so cringe, everybody cries like all thats hapenning to them is this exact move every match. Nah its not gonna get ‘fixed’ if youre quittinh already you clown, jesus🤣 the problem is obviously elsewhere
So apparently I guess it’s preferred that you use a high or low quick enough to punish that because that back turned parry dodge - parries mids only. That’s at least good to hear. But she can do her b 1+2 evade pretty fast I think
Funnily enough Jin now has very strong counterplay to her. You have to be tight with the sidestep and the attack but you can launch her with f3-3 > zen u1. Or you can parry for a more consistent punish
So, i had a feeling this is how it was intended initially. Pre patch, if she did wr3 2 while the opponent was on the ground she would hover above them as if there was an animation correction (or tracking in the programming sense). This didn't make sense because, obviously she should still be flying foward. The elbow was expecting a collider. But she just did wr3, she would fly past. Whether the elbow was intenteded on wiff or not, there was definitely a bug there. They probably couldn't fix the hovering issue, so instead deactivated the elbow. Which would make sense as to why it took so long to change.
@@onelefthanded6928 Too inconsistent for me. Sometimes she flies too far that your f4 outright misses. Sometimes it hits but doesn't count as "true punish" which means she can parry.
@@tongpoo8985 during pre patch, Azuma WR3, 2 is a jailing move which if the first hit the second will also hit, you can't parry it before only SIDE STEP AND DUCK
I feel like they could change it to where if she whiffs that move, she could fall to her knees for a moment with her back-turned, giving the opponent an opportunity to tag her.
I just experienced this in a local tournament. I'm a Raijin Lili, and went up against Azu in set 1. I took the first match, and then the player started using while running 3. This was my first time seeing this move since the patch, but I noticed immediately how easy it would be to abuse. Luckily, the player was just better than me, and used other moves while mixing the running 3 in, but every time I'd step it, I just wanted a decent punish, and it was definitely frustrating being told by devs, "we agree this move is overtuned, here's the version," and it's even stronger ha
I can't think of a single situation where I'd prefer a backturrned opponent 100 miles away, over just a straight up launch on a hard read. It's not even better at the wall, since best you're getting is a backturned wall splat which doesn't lead to anything good. Balance teams very simply have buttery smooth brains. Every single "fix" was done without even a minute bit of foresight into the repercussions. DEN 3 on Lars. DJ's floor break setups etc.
The main thing they wanted to stop is azu being able to run up and have an move out from the knee and elbow for half of the screen. This is only an issue if they do it point blank.
So question .. 1. do players want this move more side step punishable 2. Do y’all prefer it to be a high instead of a mid? Then it’s duckable. 3. Or change other frame properties of the move, like maybe make it unsafe off of block so then it’s more of a high risk/high reward type of move. Me personally 1 or 2 would be fine. So then it doesn’t kill the move completely for Acz players.
I think option 1 is what will happen while option 2 is an interesting twist. You can avoid this setup/mixup characters best tool to stick unto you but you risk getting hit by mids.
This is funny and all but what about character specific punishes? What about wr 3 which is usually is an airborne attack or just simply run up for a bt grab?
Maybe it's just me but this never gave me problems pre nerf. Ive been able to SWR with pretty consistent success. Nothing fancy at all...just a properly timed SWR. I even have a FT5 on my channel where i stepped it cleanly at least 3 times (FT5 VS DEEZE on my channel). There has to be others that this move did not give problems. It is absolutely a strong move, but her evasive CHs and that blasted power crush heat engager are what gives me the most trouble from her.
Im definitely starting to think T8 wasnt balanced by the same team or person. In the same game you have Steve's lionhart stance which even top level Steves like Heera Low High can't make evasive. It Always gets clipped by jabs or power crush and puts Steve in a disadvantage. Then you have Azucena WR32 after which she can easily evade backturned attacks now. Eventhough in tekken not even T5 characters ever had this backturned invincibility privelege. The Azucena auto parry is a spit on the faces of Steve's Lionhart stance.
Игры
The Tekken 8 balance team... monkeys on a typewriter.
Namco want $4 to buy legacy costumes & $20 for a lazy battle pass.
Geez king Feng Yoshi xaio Lili drag Steve Needs serious Nerfs.
Its the laziest type of balancing i ever seen on a fighting game so far
@@kenanisrael9323 Steve? He's not even good in this game.
@@kenanisrael9323 Yoshi has been dogshit for several years and now that he's playable you want him nerfed? Seems like you're just shit at the game tbh
I get it. She's the coffee girl because she makes everyone shit themselves. Harada I kneel
😂😂😂
Coffee + watermelon + papaya is extremely effective for your bowel movement
Perhaps too effective for some
Lmfao bro this killed me hahaha
Did MainManSwe ever talk about how Bandai Namco treat their fans like trash by striking their RUclips Channels?
@@RetroDreams99He won't, for obvious reasons
These months will be remembered as the dark times of tekken 8. Like when Leroy was launched in tekken 7.
yep
only difference is that this is not long after launch while Leroy was a long time post launch
@@vinyvin1272that just shows us that Bamco balance team is incompetent at early stages and late stages in their game lmao
It can get worse, and theres still plenty of DLC characters to await.
It really isn't a dark time at all
In an attempt to nerf certain characters, the whole cast got hurt, but the characters the nerf was intended for are still busted
Echoes of Akuma
They keep nerfing the entire mechanics instead of a certain move lol what is this lazy approach
“I can’t even take an airplane to Africa” lmao 😂
Literally the funniest thing TMM must've ever said
I felt him on that
0:45 If you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment his faith in the balance team break in two
Ah yes, thank you Bandai for prioritizing the game in the right areas. Microtransactions, banning modders, sh**y battle pass, and buffing azucena 🙏
It's like satire of modern gaming
i dont know 10 bucks for BALL seems worth it
The hell? They ban modders now?
@@saintricardo8746you can thank jackasses that makes mod that affects gameplay of others
@@wongsetsuna nope. They ban completely cosmetic mods. They actually target those first because it interferes with their monetization.
"she ends up in africa, and you can't even take a flight to africa"
XD
So what? Not everything has to be punishable
@@2hot4u68 the most rewarding moves being punishable is quite literally the foundation of how tekken works.
@@2hot4u68Except the change was clearly implemented to make it punishable moron. Not only that, you used to be able to step-duck-launch. It wasn't even that hard but the move was still far too abusable for against new players. So this was meant to make it more punishable. Not less
^^ Azucena main defending her BS lmao
@@2hot4u68 yeah I agree a plus on block attack that deals chip damage shouldnt be punishable when stepped, maybe send an application to namco to work for their game design team
It says it all when the themainman had his hands in his face😂
Absolutely zero QA, any tester would see this problem immediately. Whole team is busy with tekken shop.
Namco with Tekken turning in Activision with Call of Duty…
We are living in the worst timeline
As a QA, this is actually true if a QA is in their company. I believe they hire QA from another company(a.k.a contractors) reason there are no experienced QA handling tekken. If an experienced Tekken QA handling this, it may pinpoint this issue.
@@katherynlee2421 exactly what I thought as well. I really feel like they just hired some contractors for both QAs and Devs. It seems that Namco is some kind of corrupt company where they keep the money for themselves like seriously, they earned a lot on tekken 7 and got these kinds of problems in the new game while Capcom hasn't earned that much in SF5 but look how they managed the game and even offered a prize pool of $1,000,000.
Dev teams only job is nerfing Leroy and Kazuya, and they’re doing a great job.
and steve with lionheart stance, overall damage nerf and so on.
:v
Tekken 8 is just an elaborate scheme to torment kaz, steve, and leroy players 😂
@@tongpoo8985 idk, main man says Kazuya is as good as Devil Jin. Definitely don't think he's as bad as leroy
@@aidangillard2041 he's either trying to be optimistic in that video or say something controversial for engagement. He's way better than Kazuya in almost every way. The only thing kaz has that dj doesn't have an equivalent or near-equivalent of is ff3. Maybe df2 but dj has better homing moves and has counterhit strings that are safe and CH confirmable. Then he has decent pokes which Kazuya doesn't, morning crow, a hellsweep which either locks down for more damage than kazuyas or launches (can rage art after which is incredibly good). The heat smash which is just beyond broken, MC mix, an easy 15 frame launch, and a grab bag of other useful moves and gimmicks that still work at pro level.
They are so incompetent that their nerf turns out to be a buff
Couldn't agree more 👍
Not a buff. Really just resets it into neutral again when sidestepped.
Compared to before you were jailed and had to stay on the defensive, not even at neutral.
@@JDarkAngeIbut good players would actually sidestep duck it and launch the godamn move, now it legit has no counterplay whyyyyyyyyyyyy
I feel like azucena is the kind of character that will watch their own home town burn then smile and dance at the thought of replacing it with her coffee shops
I mean, she sided with Kazuya JUST TO PROMOTE HER COFFEE 😂😂
Really wish she has some hidden lore about how shes actually an alien that likes coffee which explains her dead eyes
@@lurkinlittlesquares6691I thought I was the only one that noticed how soulless her eyes looked lmao
coffee = personality
@@Skaal_PrimeKazuya has that drip, I'd side with him too (he Is really evil but he is my main)
this is too much they need to nerf leroy
😂😂😂😂
Seriously though, there needs to be people who need to be fired with a chance to replace them with people with actual knowledge of adjustments.
Harada: Don't ask me for shit!
Me: NO HARADA. You *seriously* need to fix this shit.
They also need to test wtf they r doing, they just deleted the elbow on whiff and didn't test it what would happen.
The thing with DVJ where they broke everyone's wall breaks and floor breaks for such a simple fix should've gotten someone fired. Awful software development
@@tongpoo8985 Agreed.
"Instead of nullifying her power, it made her stronger than before!! The nerf was a failure may the Tekken Fandom forgive me!"
I'm just imagining Taven from mk Armageddon doing his kata while reading this
Pls dont nerf her, im climbing so good atm
@@Dominik-ru8onpls nerf her
*months from now, after several patches* "Azucena! You look... balanced."
@@Dominik-ru8onCarried person spotted, opinion useless.
0:46 the way mainman was so hurt n disappointed 😭😂😂😂😂 golden
that change wouldnt make new players able to dodge anyway because no one sidesteps at beginner or intermediate lol
I do and im a beginner
@@seanbrown7083not consistently
@@seanbrown7083 good job ur already better than all the people who mash buttons
@@revolt_4588 but idk certain moves to sidestep 😭 like ik some moves that CAN be stepped but not all of them ig that makes me a lil bit better tho
4:14 in chat "Devs are mashing"
I don't know who you are buddy but if we ever meet I'll buy you drinks
At this rate they should make it homing, unblockable wallsplat on heat, beats powercrush, and launch on neutral
"I mistimed the parry, and you think you get a REWARD for that?" - Azucena, 2024.
Just make it high high
This would make it less cancer or mid then duckable high but Tekken devs rather buff than nerf
No thats a really bad change because you delete the move if you do that
@@Dominik-ru8on you're saying being a high high would ruin the move? It would condition the opponent to duck creating mind games and opening them up for mids
@@thedirectorscut4848Hey hey interesting gameplay in T8?? Can't have that.
But to be fair that's literally Claudio with his WR setup.
No way that would kill the move seeing how stacked it is.
@@Dominik-ru8on It doesn't delete the move, get real. You don't HAVE to do wr32 every time you run up to the opponent and if they start ducking every time you do then that just opens up mid options. It's not like OP suggested to make the move do 1 dmg.
If you look closely at 3:48, when Jin sidesteps he is pulled in the direction of Azucenas movement up until the point that the sidestep is cancelled with crouch. His feet are sliding along the floor as you are pulled with an invisible force towards her. Hypothetically, the longer you stay in sidestep, the closer you should be to Azucena at the end of her move. Look at it frame by frame.
This seems to be an artifact of normal Tekken sidestep mechanics, and is only so obvious and weird in this case because of the distance the move covers and the sidestep>crouch option select. Or perhaps there is some sort of flag not set correctly due to the next button in the string having tracking? I can't imagine that anytime you sidestep any move at any range in this game that there's an invisible force which pulls you in the direction of what would be the position that the devs want you to be in when you sidestep at range 0-1; but it seems that with this move it drags your character towards the spot next to Azucena even if she is now a million miles away.
Maybe this is obvious and I just don't know Tekken?
I bet if you sidestep > dash forward you can punish this very easily, obviously with the downside of not being able to block.
The only thing i know is that when side walking you slowly approach your opponent, also, i think you gotta side step the knee and just punish asap, so its prolly harder to whiff confirm, they prolly shouldve just made this moves elbow not track but here we are
yeah, looks like engine jank. camera has some sort of border to prevent clipping into characters/weird interaction, but in effect also cuts off some movement towards the camera.
you'd think with the time they had to work on this this wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, yet here we are. Might be ue5 teething pains
just delete the character, it's fine
Not everything has to be punishable you know
For real though lol character is cringe personality wise, moves, & is overall just a waste
As long as it ain’t Lucky Chloe. Azucena’s personality sucks, but I’d rather have Azucena
@@2hot4u68 Yeah makes perfect sense. Full-screen huge hitbox jumping neutral skip that's plus on block and totally resets neutral if the opponent guesses the timing perfectly. This move has absolutely no weakness. It has NO COUNTERPLAY
@@2hot4u68 if it's not too personal can you give me your crack dealer number? I want to have the same head like you
Josie had the same issue with her powercrush (df+3+3) they buffed the speed of it in season1 or season2 so when you stepped or blocked it off axis, she flew to africa too and it was hard to punish her
They don’t know what they’re doing with this game. They want certain fighters OP and others suck so people will use these new fighters.
I mean Azu is really cool
@@Dominik-ru8onThat's really debatable
@@Dominik-ru8on she is very cool, she is still new an there will be the time where she gets the nerf they all want so bad for one fcking move in a specific Situation which is kinda rare. Overlooking characters with Kits 2 Times stronger than her's ...
@@8uhrsiebenking250 she is not that cool but she is fun to play with
I seen this short and was hoping this was the full video. Lmao that back turn is wild
Voctor‘s fff2 is insane too. If you time it correctly, you can catch your opponent side step or even counter hit launch them. It can also perfectly makes up with heat up 1+2 in mid range because your opponent don’t wanna do anything in mid range risking eat a 54 dmg heat u1+2
The laugh at the end was perfect
If I had to guess her second hit is what stopped her momentum so just blanket preventing that from coming out on whiff makes her fly to half screen, so essentially it's nerfed as a mid range poke and buffed basically everywhere else
yeah, with the elbow gone… got this shit
I think it just cut the recovery down significantly, same distance just waay more time to get a punish.
She rarely went past you since the second hit tracked back into your model as you were ducking, stopping her from flying past.
So from veeeery rarely getting past you to always doing it with faster recovery is what's happening here.
How did this happen? It takes 2 seconds in practice mode to see how stupid this change is. Did the devs not test their own patch?
Suggestion:
1. Revert the changes of the last patch
2. Make the followup duckable if the knee hits on its first and maybe second active frame. The first hit by itself should be up to -9 on block.
Players already found a solution with sidestep duck if Azucenas WR32 is telegraphed. This change would just remove it beeing mindlessly spammed in your face while still allowing mindgames and pressure up close for Azucena.
Maybe that is not perfect but it is worth trying out Bamco!
Soon as I saw the Tekken Talk/patch notes I'd figured this would happen. Didn't know about her BT parry though, that's just the icing on the cake.
I think literally everyone that faced that move thought "the tracking on the elbow is the problem." It's insane that the Bamco devs went "well let's just make it not come out then" without even a moment's pause to think about the ramifications of that change.
The face palm at 0:48 holy shit I felt that in my soul
The absolute disappointment in TMM's face at the beginning was hilarious 😂
Yes! They did buff. My confusion lies in the fact that they made it safe on whiff. If it was overpowered, why would the solution be to make is safe. Doesn’t anybody else have a WR move like this? Assuming I don’t fk up my input and den with Lars, I’m getting punished on a sidestep. The solution the the second hit tracking was not to send it after a target on the other side of you. When that knee gets sidestepped, the proper action is for that follow up to also whiff while she remains in place to eat a punish.
Also, is that WR move one input or do people have to commit to the follow up after the knee? Not that it’s much of a commit since you’re safe.
I think it's WR 3,2 but if the knee whiffs the elbow won't come out even if you input the 2. Pre sure that's what it said in the patch notes haven't tried it myself though so not 100% sure
She’s a troll character… The fix makes me want to play her mooora😂😂
Yes slash kicks were always highly steppable with slow recovery because it's a move with stacked properties.
Low crush, advancing, advantage on block.
That is probably be below average for a good move in T8 though.
Dragunov's wr2 sometimes also goes in Africa, but it's rare
Azu gets to effectively os her wr 3.2 and lars gets to have his opponents lose their os to den 3
Azucena got kenpo back-turned parry lol smh
9:00 you can see the exact moment where Azucena mains in TMM's chat got pissed xD (SubCount)
honestly not even touching Tekken until all this bs is fixed. if it ever gets fixed 😵💫
They need to give king his so badly needed nerfs
@@kenanisrael9323he's not even that bad
A player refusing to play a game with busted things in it is pretty bad, if you ask me🤣 so cringe, everybody cries like all thats hapenning to them is this exact move every match. Nah its not gonna get ‘fixed’ if youre quittinh already you clown, jesus🤣 the problem is obviously elsewhere
@@YiddishDancingClown most of my issues with him are limited to him in heat. the homing mid throws need to go
@@YiddishDancingClownoh hell nah, currently bro can just bypass rage arts 😂😂😂
The ending of this video is so coincidentally perfect 😂
No, not the back parry! I didn't even know that 😂
The tekken devs managed to actually get me back to Strive, and that's impressive.
they havent buffed zato. so unfortunately i'll be here a while longer
nobody knows what strive is and nobody cares
@@joyhappinessthats the point of his comment, are you a dumbass?
They actually convinced me to go back to League...... help
@@joyhappiness I care
So apparently I guess it’s preferred that you use a high or low quick enough to punish that because that back turned parry dodge - parries mids only.
That’s at least good to hear.
But she can do her b 1+2 evade pretty fast I think
I dont even play tekken, but damn i love the sound of the snare drum in this guyses intro holy damn ❤
They've created an actual monster
Let me blow your mind even further, it can also be an oki setup with BT 3+4.
I've never heard of a nerf being a hidden buff before. Great job Bamco.
Happened in mk11 with geras lol
Funnily enough Jin now has very strong counterplay to her. You have to be tight with the sidestep and the attack but you can launch her with f3-3 > zen u1. Or you can parry for a more consistent punish
Ive been floating that movewith a jab and that usually spells def for them but there needs to be at least one other punish besides floating 😂
i felt that facepalm in my soul 😭
So, i had a feeling this is how it was intended initially. Pre patch, if she did wr3 2 while the opponent was on the ground she would hover above them as if there was an animation correction (or tracking in the programming sense). This didn't make sense because, obviously she should still be flying foward. The elbow was expecting a collider. But she just did wr3, she would fly past. Whether the elbow was intenteded on wiff or not, there was definitely a bug there. They probably couldn't fix the hovering issue, so instead deactivated the elbow. Which would make sense as to why it took so long to change.
Brings back memories of T7 Akuma "nerf"
For Jin mains, you can parry this now.
But if you step this you can F4 into Zen U1 which didn't need that high execution
@@onelefthanded6928 Too inconsistent for me. Sometimes she flies too far that your f4 outright misses. Sometimes it hits but doesn't count as "true punish" which means she can parry.
@@fieclaussell9879 but still better then you missed time the parry and getting hit with the second blow which gave you miss advantage
Could you not before?
@@tongpoo8985 during pre patch, Azuma WR3, 2 is a jailing move which if the first hit the second will also hit, you can't parry it before only SIDE STEP AND DUCK
TMM sitting in absolute despair after finding out the parry.
I feel like they could change it to where if she whiffs that move, she could fall to her knees for a moment with her back-turned, giving the opponent an opportunity to tag her.
It’s literally insane - the law of unintended consequences.
Just make it so if you block the knee, you can then duck the elbow and punish.
I love this character so much no sarcasm at all
I knew this would come 😢 Kaz was the first to go down now nothing is getting done
This is crazy man lol but similar to xiayou bc she also has back parry and setups into it to make some setups safe(with parry)
Azu is gonna be the first banned character from tournaments. Calling it now 😂
8 Azucena's in top 8 at EVO Japan 2024.
"Choose Azucena" - Winner of Japan Evo 2024
No way. If they didn’t ban Leroy they’ll never ban Azucena. Launch Leroy was much worse.
Azu Japan 2024
I just experienced this in a local tournament. I'm a Raijin Lili, and went up against Azu in set 1. I took the first match, and then the player started using while running 3. This was my first time seeing this move since the patch, but I noticed immediately how easy it would be to abuse. Luckily, the player was just better than me, and used other moves while mixing the running 3 in, but every time I'd step it, I just wanted a decent punish, and it was definitely frustrating being told by devs, "we agree this move is overtuned, here's the version," and it's even stronger ha
This ppl is going to end making hellsweeps launch on block
More recovery frames after a whiff on running 3, easy fix.
The "nerf" to Azucena's WR+3,2 is the biggest Monkey's Paw Wish that Namco has ever pulled on us.
What about waiting for the recovery frame after the parry animation ? Like a whiff punish to the parry ?
I can't think of a single situation where I'd prefer a backturrned opponent 100 miles away, over just a straight up launch on a hard read. It's not even better at the wall, since best you're getting is a backturned wall splat which doesn't lead to anything good. Balance teams very simply have buttery smooth brains. Every single "fix" was done without even a minute bit of foresight into the repercussions. DEN 3 on Lars. DJ's floor break setups etc.
keep it like before but make the elbow a high that's duckable after blocking the mid
The main thing they wanted to stop is azu being able to run up and have an move out from the knee and elbow for half of the screen. This is only an issue if they do it point blank.
MainMans Blood Pressure cannot take the Bullshit of Tekken 8 😭💀
I dont often complain about stuff. But that parry from the back... Thats just not fair.
Honestly the best way to nerf her is literally removed the knee and making her start up parry stance longer to get counter. That it's ^^!!!
He put DEEZ in the thumb nail💀💀💀
I was waiting for this after PhiDX's vid
Seen like 3 azucenas in my month of playing this game just made it to battle ruler so waiting patiently to vs a decent one 😅
Same balance team as the one that gave akuma the only best wall oki trying to remove his wall oki.
Lmao she takes that train to Senegal.
Always assume malice when there is incompetence
why are we here just to suffer
*namco releases cash shop, then battle pass*
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!
Facts
we are truly in the dark days of tekken
Hope this video reach out the devs, so they can take this feedback and nerf leroy
Eid Mubarak main man
So question ..
1. do players want this move more side step punishable
2. Do y’all prefer it to be a high instead of a mid? Then it’s duckable.
3. Or change other frame properties of the move, like maybe make it unsafe off of block so then it’s more of a high risk/high reward type of move.
Me personally 1 or 2 would be fine. So then it doesn’t kill the move completely for Acz players.
I think option 1 is what will happen while option 2 is an interesting twist.
You can avoid this setup/mixup characters best tool to stick unto you but you risk getting hit by mids.
She goes far enough away from some characters to do the flying knee again after parry
This is funny and all but what about character specific punishes? What about wr 3 which is usually is an airborne attack or just simply run up for a bt grab?
I never 1 & done in a set but with azucena & dragunov i'm thinking to do so until they fix it
I rather get that parry...then not being able to step it...but it still needs to be punishable of course.
Thanks for the vid tmm.
Another day of missing bruce
First min of the video is the best😂😂😂. We all been there
Maybe it's just me but this never gave me problems pre nerf. Ive been able to SWR with pretty consistent success.
Nothing fancy at all...just a properly timed SWR. I even have a FT5 on my channel where i stepped it cleanly at least 3 times (FT5 VS DEEZE on my channel).
There has to be others that this move did not give problems. It is absolutely a strong move, but her evasive CHs and that blasted power crush heat engager are what gives me the most trouble from her.
I finally got a bit confident in countering the WR3,2 when they were predictable, but now it's basicially a safe move then? xD
I dont play Azucena for wr32 spam, I play her for Libertador and Backturn stance shenanigans
You play her because you are a virgin
meanwhile no one complains about bunch of other moves doing the same thing. For example dj fly 1
Im definitely starting to think T8 wasnt balanced by the same team or person. In the same game you have Steve's lionhart stance which even top level Steves like Heera Low High can't make evasive. It Always gets clipped by jabs or power crush and puts Steve in a disadvantage. Then you have Azucena WR32 after which she can easily evade backturned attacks now. Eventhough in tekken not even T5 characters ever had this backturned invincibility privelege. The Azucena auto parry is a spit on the faces of Steve's Lionhart stance.
The game where Leroy wasn’t strong and he just gets gutted.
9:29 why chat suddenly mentions Hanlon's Razor principle that isn't even applied here
this is the same as dragunov heat smash if you step it he travels to north pole
Cmon man even dragunov while running and hwoarang peacekeeper can be side stepped