Is it time to FINALLY call Lionel Messi the GOAT?! 👀 | ESPN FC
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Out of the 11 major international tournaments (5 WC and 6 Copa América) in which he has participated in, he reached the finals 6 times (2 WC and 4 Copa).
That is a final reaching success rate of 55%, which means he more often than not reaches the final with argentina. Think about that for a moment.
His international career is still underrated.
Agree that’s a good take 👍🏼
Do not forget one thing he never got out of any competition in the group stages, let it be Club or International.
That. too. He was always the person who was pushing the team forward.
Its not like its teams filled with stars.
He won an Olimpc gold don't forget that olimpic gold medal
he only got knocked out round of 16 once in 2018
Respect to Shaka. Man of his word and the right answer. Messi has ticked all the boxes for the longest period of time. Undisputed GOAT.
I would say that if we're going off of the best in their prime, I've seen players who were a bit better than Messi, but none of them have the longevity that he has had.
@@segagenesis7708 Who else has scored 91 goals in a calender year in their prime ...
@1LLUS1ON his baby daddy ronaldo in a alternate universe 🤣
Yeah!! Finally he is one of us.. now.
On the opposite, no respect for that moron.
Messi didn’t need the WC to be established as the GOAT.
And on top of that he did won.
I'm shocked that no one speaks about Messi's character. His poise and fairplay. The fact that he is so humble and the perfect role model for young kids watching. That needs to be factored in. There is no comparison to the GOAT debate when it comes to what he has contributed to the game.
Do you know him 🤣🤣🤣
@@Allkinds466 Keep your low iq to yourself
He is second behind cr7
To those people who said that it's hard to compare different players in different periods, you have no right to select any other players as the GOAT.
I have ALWAYS said this, especially around that time when Argentina was in total shambles and people were comparing him to Maradona, saying he doesn't have enough fight in him. Messi doesn't believe in winning "at all cost". If the price is cheating the game, it seems he would rather just do his best within the rules and lose.
He has always worked hard. Sometimes we saw the pressure get the best of him but he has always put in work, both for club and country. I think because of his astronomical numbers for Barcelona we forget that he is human and needs a TEAM that will work with him (like ANY OTHER PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME). For too long, Argentina expected him to do it all and that just doesn't work in football. Finally he got a supporting group that were determined to bleed for him and for the honor of Argentina.
I don't think any other player has come under as much pressure in the history of the game, and no other player has ever played as consistently at this level for as long as he has, shattering all kinds of records.
Messi made all of this look easy, while staying humble, never claiming to be the best and playing almost completely clean.
Football is really going to miss him and we are privileged to have witnessed this legacy because there will probably not be another like him for a LONG TIME!
Lionel Andrés Messi:
- King of Football
- The New Standard of football mastery
- Greatest Of All Time
👑
He has won every individual and collective trophy there is to win, 1200+ goals and assists, 7 Ballon d'Ors, 6 golden boots, 4 best playmaker awards, numerous records, successfully competing with the best players since he was 18 and now him being 35 he is competing with the best players of the upcoming generation. The consistency is unmatched - even CR7 could not keep up such tempo for that long. Additionally, you can say that passes, goals, dribbles, chance creating, vision, technique, set-pieces, leadership, etc - it is all there. He is the goat in my book.
Can Messi do it in the premier league though? I’m not sure. Took him 9 games in a row until he finally scored vs Chelsea in the UCL.
@@_I-I_I-I_ Chelsea is way weaker than Messi
@@_I-I_I-I_ Here we go again lol
@@_I-I_I-I_ RM with peak CR7, Bale and others could barely compete, you are saying the likes of west ham could've done better?
@@_I-I_I-I_ The EPL is the not the be it/ end all of football….Stop that brainwash…..La Liga has won more UCL and Europa Lge titles than the Prem will ever do…..Messi’s technical ability and genius are unmatched‼️
Messi was the GOAT before that world cup, but now his magnificence is just imposible to measure in football
🤣🤣🤣 Thanks to fifa.. I mean let's not forget those controversial Balon D oro,, and not to mention this straight up RIGGED wc 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Not over Maradona. Drop Messi and CR7 in that era and they won't even score half the goals.
@@stansmith5610 cry more pendu cry babies
@@absoluteclutch4585 i believe you are coming from parallel universe
For me it’s the way Messi and Argentina did it. Defeating the champions of South America for Copa America, taking out the European champions in the Finalissima and then conquering the World champions in the World Cup. Undisputed.
He didn't need this cup to prove it. But ... he won it.
Yes he did. And he did win it. But the WC is the achievement that separates him from C. Ronaldo. These two were neck and neck until then.
@@zalemdreams I disagree. Messi was always a few levels above but the copa America put the debate to rest. World Cup just made it even more clear.
@@zalemdreamsdelusional. Ronaldo NEVER was on Messi’s level even when he was winning all those balon dors he was NEVER considered to be equal to Messi. Media and his fanboys brainwashed them and made them believe that this was an actual rivalry.
Maradona and Matthaus had a “rivalry” similar to this, would you consider Matthaus to be equal to Maradona? Exactly.
The most forced debate in history.
Needed the World Cup to be GOAT. Imagine never winning your sports greatest trophies and be GOAT of that sports 😂😂😂. That would cheapen your sports. Messi played for Argentina not Thailand, so he had to win one. He did it, congrats to the GOAT.
@@panacea26947 exactly, cr7 needs space to operate,plus cr7 can't conduct an attack he is a pure forward, Messi can drop back and be a midfield and even defend. Lio was s God amongst children
“Be the ball.” Never before has a player been so much at one with the ball. Seamless, fluid, seemingly effortless, magical goals and assists. Messi the magician.
Maradona's left foot was comparable to Messi's.
@@ursula3438 Messi runs faster with the ball much closer than Diego. Messi is by far the best dribbler of all time. Maradona might have been more creating in terms of flashyness, but Messi is more creative in finding the impossible space.
Messi is the ball
Agreed
He's A GOAT, not THE GOAT. He stands alongside Pele and Maradona, not above them
The consistency of the WAY he plays makes him the best ever! There is simply no one who can do what Messi does. His dribbling , vision, passing, goal scoring,… he’s just the most complete player ever. The guy was compared to Maradona at the age of 19. He was dribbling in a magical way past to 3,4,5,6 players and scoring goals that nobody could do at the biggest stage against the biggest clubs. And we don’t talk about passing 1 or 2 players. He was the nightmare for all defenders. Teams setting up tactics against Messi. ‘How to stop Messi’ was the million dollar question for all teams in the past 17 years.
Whenever he had the ball, glued to his feet, you knew that something magical was about to happen. He’s the best at creating creative attacks, he’s the best at setting up others to score, he’s the best at scoring( the guy is deadly in front of the goal), he’s the best at passing (He sees passes that nobody else sees them), he’s the God of dribbling, he has a wonderful shot and very accurate,…. What do you need more? He’s all in one. .
That is the kind of player he was and is.
So he absolutely didn’t need to win the WC to be the best ever. The WC is just a result of his greatness.
And whoever doesn’t see it is either blind or doesn’t know anything about football. Or the person had just another preference for no reason and ignores all that. There are people who prefer Renault Megane above a mercedes s-class or Rolls Royce Phantom… and there are some who find it really prettier 😅. So not everyone’s opinion is pertinent.
You said I all my guy
you said it all. shaka always knew messi is above all other players five Times and more. if messi was black like pele shaka would say Messi is ten Times better than Pelé.
@@billyopiyo6049 yeh master tex . if messi was black like pele shaka would say messi is ten Times better
Has there ever been a moment of such joy around the globe as there was when Montiel’s kick went to the back of the net? No, no, no. Messi made the world delighted for that moment - no one has ever done that before!! Oh, yeah, he also has the stats, the accomplishments, and the recognition. GOAT for the ages. Lionel Messi!!!
🤣🤣🤣 yeah let's pretend Fifa and the refs weren't helping Messi at all even though they literally became the national team with the most penalties in a wc EVER
Let's ignore his handball against netherlands. Let's ignore his dirty team mates that fouled netherlands players and kicked the ball towards the bench and didn't get penalized
Keep crying Ronaldo fanboys.
CR7 - 0 World Cup
Messi - 1 World Cup
Case closed.
@@stansmith5610 tears are just amazing 😂🥱
@@stansmith5610 tears of pendu fans will fill up the Pacific Ocean
The fact that at the age of almost 36having only 45% capability of his peak,he showed a player of the tournament performance is unheard of!!
LEO MESSI The Undisputed GOAT🐐✨
Please buy yourself a dictionary and look up the word "undisputed". 😄😆😂🤣
@@lonelyboy1977 Ronaldo isn't a playmaker and has a wc , Maradona won barely anything at club level and maintain his wc performance for 15 years and Pele was playing in the most dominating team of all time who won the 1962 wc without him easily and he never played in Europe and won any ballon d'or all 3 of them aren't going to win the super ballon d'or but Lionel Messi has done it all he is clearly the GOAT of football only player to won 2 wc golden ball while playing in Argentina same team who couldn't even qualify for the world cup if messi didn't hard carry them in the wc qualifiers
Only Messi and Zidane can still help carry their teams/nations at mid 30s
idk about 45 but definitely not 100 sure
No one mentioning the WAY he did it? Been putting players on their backs for 15 years in the most amazing way. Forget the titles for a minute and look at the way he's done this
@@ursula3438 Not all the time . There was a period from the start of 2013 to the end 2014 , which is 2 years , where Barcelona was declining . Then Barcelona came to back to it's best at the start of 2015 and remained as the best club in the world till 2016 . Decline started from the 2017/18 season , as you rightly said . Not to forget the period between 2007 to 2008 when Barcelona were trophyless and played bad . So even before 2017 , Messi had 4-5 years in which Barcelona were bad acc. to it's lofty standards and your statement is objectively false .
@@ursula3438 💀 he created the most and still had more goals than the rest. Supposed super team is in europa league without him.
That's why I love Messi. The way he plays. All he does is either perfect or very close to. To do that for almost 2 decades is impressive
@@mehyeah2931 I'm not talking about his last 3 years at Barca, he did carry them then.
@@arhaansayed7748 You're right about 2013 they were in decline then and needed Suarez and Neymar to rejuvenate them (Alba, Rakitic and Ter Steegen as well), but in 2007/08 they were undeniably a superteam and came very close to winning UCL, but were denied by a Paul Scholes long shot in the semis.
I was convinced the day Real Betis fans applauded him when he scored the wonder goal against Betis. I doubt we will ever see something like that again.
MESSI MADE WONDER GOALS LOOK LIKE AMETURES EVEN!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING PLAYER.... SIMPLY GREATEST FOOTBALLER OF ALL TIME MASHALLAH!!!
0:20 I just fell out of my chair… Shaka admits Messi is the 🐐 it’s a very merry Christmas indeed
LMFAO!!!!
“As of right now - - “
That did it for me 🤣 cause you can hear how reluctant he was
Very true he is the GFOAT!!! GREATEST FOOTBALLER OF ALL TIME
Messi is so good that he's broken GOAT debate and made people just appreciate greatness
People say that CR7 is Hardwork Inspiration. Messi is a God Gift. Little did they know that Ronaldo has a Normal Body When Little Messi hasn't
go cry u pessi lover rigged world cup the real goat cr7 will come back to madrid to conquer it once again for all the haters out there 🤣🤣😂😆
@@alucard4602 you are the one who is hating 💀
@@alucard4602 Please,go see a doctor
@@devroopsaha4020 not at all this dude saying he's a gift 🙄 more like the refs gifted him the whole cup with pure pk and the 🇵🇹 vs Morocco it was pure refs from 🇦🇷 u can not have refs from a country that was still in the cup so fixed 😁🤣
16 years.. 16 years and still going and performing at the highest level.. It's not a joke or something to be taken for granted. I do feel blessed to watch him play.. The memories Messi has imprinted in our lives with his style of play and most importantly his humble and discipline character and not to forget his philanthropic work makes him even more great. There was never a debate.. He was the GOAT even before he won the Copa and the World cup.. Messi is truly the People's Champion and after winning the Copa and the World Cup he has given hope to Millions around the globe..Thank you Messi for playing this beautiful game.. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Well said
@@karsen001 listen this is the only argument Messi haters had, think about it, they have no other argument, and he won the World Cup, these people simply have agendas
@@mafiaMk87Exactly
I personally think Lionel Messi is the Greatest Player ever to touch football. His success has been breathtaking. Pele didn't played in Europe, Maradona never won Copa. But Messi has everything. Trophies more than combined of both. Goals more than Both. I mean I understand emotional part of old people attachment but Messi is generational. The result, trophy, game, goals, assist says it all
Pele didn't play in Europe because they were not the dominant leagues at the time, nor could they bring in foreign players like they are able to now. Messi is generational, like you said. So was Pele in his time. The game has changed too much for them to be compared to begin with.
I agree.
I agree with you.
Okay lets take a leveled playing field…international official matches: Pelé 0.83 goals per game, Messi: 0.57 goals per game…Pelé 3 world cups, Messi 1 world cup. Messi is to me the second greatest player nothing wrong with that 😂
Messi won everything there is to win in every competition there is. There's no debate. Pele and cocainadona are overrated.
To anyone who thinks Messi didnt need to win a world cup to cement himself as the greatest this video is a perfect example of why he did.
He won't this wc in the most embarrassing way though. The refs had to do the most to help Argentina in any way. Notice how all the controversial calls this wc were in favor of argentina and never against? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
That's not true . France were also awarded with penalties in the final and also Argentina had conceded comeback goals from opposition teams . So there is not foul play. Perhaps yes there were 1 or 2 decisions in Argentina's favour but generally there wasn't any decisions that totally went against the opponent team either
@@stansmith5610 crymore hater 🤣
@@stansmith5610 What stfu
The oppenenys are garbage
@@stansmith5610 Yeah man, notice how Portugal lost because of Argentina!
Messi was the best footballer ever at 23... with this world cup and what he's won he's now the greatest ever
e only was not considered because e ad a better player tan imself?
@@mariaronaldo3139 what??
@@abcdefg3214 estudasses filio
Not only winning this WC how many players reached so many finals as Messi???losing or winning is a very fine line.depends also on the garbage coaches he had to suffer like Maradona and San Paoli who wasted 2 WC from his career.4 Copa America finals ,2 world cup finals, 1 finalissima 1 olimpic games and many more all I am quoting is with Argentina.
@@patriciozazzini3182 copa america is held every 2 years tho....and brazil and argentina often arrive at the final, in the last 6 years there hav ebeen 5 copa america
I knew Messi was the GOAT before winning WC and Copa America, but also cannot deny that having those titles adds an special aura to his already greatness.
Whether Messi had won the world cup or not, he would have been the greatest that I have ever seen
I agree with you. just based on his footballing ability alone tells you that
you never saw Pele play mate. Pele was doing the Messi moves in the late 50's and 60's.
@@ronbonora7872 against fat old men who smoked on the field.. He was great for his time, and changed the game, but not the best ever
@@senseman5436One season ( or one tournament )isn’t going to cut it. They’re measured after their careers have ended.
agreed
Pele technically won 3 World Cup but a lot of people don’t know that he didn’t play a role in 62 World Cup in Chile. He was injured that tournament and garrincha led them to the title. In the 58 World Cup pele wasn’t even the best player on the Brazil team it was didi and in the 70 World Cup he wasn’t even the top goal scorer of Brazil and that Brazil team of 1970 is considered one of the best teams of all time
👍👍👍
Yeah agree on that and maybe gerd muller scored 10 goals in 1970 and alongside didi GARRINCHA WAS the Main player of both 58 and 62 world cups. ONE of the greatest dribbler of all time. But people have forgotten him
Sounds like someone is salty that pele still has more world cups than Messi lmao. Don’t worry maybe Messi will win one next year too 🤣 goat yet barely one 1 at the end of his career and was carried by di María
@@arielguzman9336 nah not at all. My point is pele was carried by amazing teammates and wasn’t even the best player on the team while Messi was the undisputed best for Argentina similar to Maradona
@@arielguzman9336u claim Messi was carried by di María but u forget Messi scored two goals in the final including that goal in extra time, u really don’t know anything about football
Whether you call him or not he is the goat 🐐
Absolutely
What??
Not goat because he took growth hormones as a kid. It boosts tendons muscles and bones for life. He is technically the best, but hormones helped to forge his body and play style. From a sportmanship view we can still argue it as not being sportively the goat. I'm not talking about his mentality which is humble, just from bio ethical point of view.
@@OptLab ur acc so stupid
@@OptLab lol cry more
Messi is a god of football....How he plays the game,,,His Footballing genius and IQ of how he analyze the pitch and footballing. Lets put all the trophies and titles away, no one comes close to MESSI....He's something else.
7 times ballondor going for his 8 consistent in every league 1world cup 17 year's and he still remains consistent no doubt he's best of all time 🙏🏆🏆🏆 best player I've ever seen 🙏😉 Messi
Spot On Mate!
Nearly 800 career goals, 42 trophies and an unmatched seven Ballon d'Ors and the World Cup..
And it was the way he did it as well. For a player who has never shown excessive flair, he has been irresistible to watch. Never once in his career has he performed an unnecessary step-over or backheel, yet he is an endless highlights reel of dazzling dribbles, sumptuous passes and ridiculous goals. Despite being unrelentingly effective, he's never been dull to watch. Quite the opposite of a robotic winning machine, he's the player most likely to make you gasp in disbelief, or laugh out loud. While Maradona was often likened to a god, and Pelé to a king, Messi sometimes makes us think he is an alien, something otherworldly. Like he's playing a different game to everyone else.
If he plays 24 Copa America then possibly he will break Ronaldo international goal record 118
Prime Ronaldo (Noodle Hair Ronaldo) in 2017: 65 G/A in 60 Matches
‘Finished’ Messi in 2022: 65 G/A in 51 Matches
🇦🇷🐐Unreal.
It was 2022/23 season and people say that Messi doesn't deserve the ballondor that year most assist that year and most g/a that year
Yes!!!! Been waiting for Shaka to admit that since 2019. And Shaka admitting it after he got his PhD is like a genuine opinion of a smart man. Lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Seriously, enough about this hobbit. He is not goat for many whatever he did and stop pressure people to admit it.
@@pevvex4452 Cry me a river and try to cope with facts.
@@pevvex4452 he is
@@pevvex4452 Are u jealous? I am sure u are Messi hatter
That 7 match trophy didn't make messi the greatest of all time, The things he did for 17 years, week after week, those all magical moments, what he did with the football in his legs regardless of any trophies and personal awards, all that made him The greatest of all time.
1) his wc win is nothing. It was obviously rigged and many don't respect it. Ontop of that, many players win the WC at a much younger age with much better stats, which does not make them the goat 2) if it was off trophies and not ability, then Beyonce would be the greatest musician of all time. Now you see why a player's actual ability, physicality, and game sense is important3) he's never played in a physical and demanding league. La Liga was made for his playstyle. 4) he's always done well with the greatest midfielders of all time. Disregarding this wc, he has never done well on the international stage. This is because he doesn't have iniesta, busqets, and xavi making his goals. 5) even his years at barca and the rewards he got are coming under question due to corruption and evidence over evidence of paying referees. How can you praise what he's done and the awards he's gotten in rigged seasons? All in all, he's a great player but not the goat. Cristiano Ronaldo has played all over Europe, including the physically demanding premier league. He is better on his weak foot and in the air. Had matched dribbling ability until a knee injury. Won with a team that was not as strong as Barcelona, as most el classics showed. Has not been caught on a team paying referees.
@@tariqbaerzae I didn't read what you said, but yeah messi is the greatest
@@topspot7329 you most def read what I said, you just lacked an argument and reply
@@tariqbaerzae there isn't any argument, I can write an essay but I am lazy.
@@topspot7329 im sure you could. Messis done. Whole career in the same league with paid refs I'm dyinggg lmaooo
4 finals lost, 1 crucial penalty miss, retirement from the team, effigies burnt, abuses faced, then coming back, winning the Copa America almost single handedly, and now winning the world cup and be the best player in the wc, a story for the ages, a man whose story will make the toughest hearts melt, LIONEL MESSI ,OUR GOAT!!!❤️❤️
THE FOOTBALLING GODS ARE SMILING,THIER FAVOURITE SON HAS WON THE WORLD'S MOST PRESTIGIOUS PRIZE, LIONEL MESSI HAS COMPLETED FOOTBALL AND CEMENTED HIS POSITION ON THE TOP!!❤️🐐
1) his wc win is nothing. It was obviously rigged and many don't respect it. Ontop of that, many players win the WC at a much younger age with much better stats, which does not make them the goat 2) if it was off trophies and not ability, then Beyonce would be the greatest musician of all time. Now you see why a player's actual ability, physicality, and game sense is important3) he's never played in a physical and demanding league. La Liga was made for his playstyle. 4) he's always done well with the greatest midfielders of all time. Disregarding this wc, he has never done well on the international stage. This is because he doesn't have iniesta, busqets, and xavi making his goals. 5) even his years at barca and the rewards he got are coming under question due to corruption and evidence over evidence of paying referees. All in all, he's a great player but not the goat. Cristiano Ronaldo has played all over Europe, including the physically demanding premier league. He is better on his weak foot and in the air. Had matched dribbling ability until a knee injury. Won with a team that was not as strong as Barcelona, as most el classics showed. Has not been caught on a team paying referees.
@@tariqbaerzae waah waah bhai ne puri katha likhi , aur lore ne ek bhi sense wali bat nhi likhi, -1000 iq 😂
@@tariqbaerzae pendu is not even top 5 . He can play in every league of the world and would still not be top 10 player of all time. 50 years from now Messi will be remembered for his world cup nobody’s gonna remember how many domestic leagues pendu played in. If you disregard Messi World Cup I can do the same for Pendu 5 UCL that makes his career what? Worse than lukaku haha shhhh tapinaldo fanboy stick to Saudi league
@@tariqbaerzaenon biased viewpoint, you would see how foolish and how ignorant you are
@@tariqbaerzae cope
Of course everyone is going to have their opinions but for me personally Messi is the best player I have seen in my lifetime. He is mesmerising to watch and does things with the ball that I have never seen before.
You don't know about futbol then 🤷♂️🤣
Mbappe has more goals and assists than messi when messi was same age as him
@@stansmith5610 but Mbappe has no Ballon D'ors or no Champions League or even a World Cup Golden Ball
@@cliffordthebigreddawg8088 man is 24 and won golden Boot over Messi. Won Worldcup for his country before messi. And owned PSG with Neymar and Messi in club
Men!!! You said it perfectly. With the ball at their feet, Messi is better than anyone! He made me love soccer all over again. Messi is the type of player that would make a grandmother love a game.
I really don't understand why we ever consider that in this era Messi plays against all nations that levels of quality is way better than Maradona and certainly Pele eras. All these nations even Morocco have footballers who play in the highest leagues in this era. The level of the game is way more difficult for Messi. We also don't consider that Argentina played the Netherlands the finalist in 2010. They were the finalist in 2014. Croatia were runners up to France the champions in 2018. And they beat them all for this 2022 World Cup! We dont give him enough credit in this era considering the quality is beyond anything those guys would have seen.
The current soft era is much easier for attacking players.
That's just incorrect lol. Messi's opponents aren't better defensively than the 80s/90s era. The challenges and defence was much more difficulty to score against compared to now.
@@absoluteclutch4585🤡🤡
@@gumdeo🤡🤡
@@absoluteclutch4585 what are you saying, imagine bringing at team from the 80s playing against a team from present day teams
And tell me who would win
For people who actually watch and appreciate football that debate was over 10 years ago.
I think only when he retires everyone will appreciate how GREAT he was. But his undisputed indeed.
It’s never undisputed
@@hanumanguy u do
Cuz ur retarded
The fact that CR7 is not even considered as part of the debate really says it all. It’s sad to see how it all turned out for him, but then again his ego took the better of him!!!!
The exalted shall be humbled and the humble shall be exalted ...
He is not considered ONLY BECO HE DOESNT HAVE A WC
@@abdulbabatunde9151 he is considered because his fangays just don't know when to give up
And he should've never been, higuain bottling chances in finals is the only reason he is
not sad at all
Messi talent is mesmerising. He's come to the table of men.
Messi has won UCL against Ronaldo, Copa against Neymar, and World Cup against Mbappe. Undisputed GOAT.
except wen e lost
Messi also trash Ronaldhino Brazil in the Olympics semifinals then went on to win gold.
Stop copying and pasting the same message
When was the last time he won a ucl ?
An pesssi lost many finals in humiliating fashion against Ronaldo too
Pele won 3 World cups, but his second world cup in 1962 he played just 2 games and scored 1, he wasn't exactly the determining factor in Brazil winning it.
Don’t tell the die hard Pele fans that though LMAO
@@xrpedro Yeah I am just not subscribing to that. Yes he was the difference in the first world cup, and to a lesser degree in his 3rd world cup. But his involvement for the second World Cup was trivial, and Brazil would of won it regardless if he was there or not.
his goal record is also very questionable. he played most of his life in the MLS at a time where anyone half decent could score a hundred goals a year.
Mane Garrincha really is the unsung hero of Brazil. He was the best player in the 58 final and carried Brazil in the 62 World Cup after Pele got injured. Yet i barely see him mentioned anywhere, i sometimes even doubt if teenagers even know who he was 🤷♂
@@ollie-pn1ql I do think in 1958 Pele was undoubtedly the best player for Brazil, if not a great contributed to them winning it, and for him to do it when he was 17 and scoring 6 goals at that was crazy. But he was surrounded by players that even without him were already considered the greatest national team ever assembled. But we can't knock Pele for that because he was the best player of the best national team ever. But in 1962 he did not contribute much, if Messi played 2 games in this world cup and won it, people would not ever allow him to use it as part of his GOAT debate, so why are we using it for Pele's.
Pelé brought fútbol to the world, and everyone knows the great Pelé.
Diego Armando Maradona was in my eyes an idol, growing up in San Jose de Costa Rica he was my superhero above all other superheroes. Watching Argentina win the World Cup in Mexico 1986 at the Azteca is one of my fond memories, I watched the match during school when I was in grade six and will never forget the loud cheers from all the students at the school when el Diego did the impossible.
Messy is a god among men. In my opinion he is the master of the beautiful game and I am just happy to have seen Messy lift the World Cup.
I hope to see someone surpass Messy in his achievements nevertheless I doubt this day will ever come.
The GOAT also makes teammates around you better as well which is the biggest difference between Messi and Ronaldo. Thats the deal breaker for me, so Messi it is
and admits tem doin stupid stuff like avin a doll of te more successfull player around te world for simple feelin of revenge and make it look like e is always te sweet innocent.
If that's true then zidane is clear of Ronaldo, and is probably the goat.
Pelé, Messi, Maradona. It’s between those three (always has been). Each player a genius and the best of their era, it’s very difficult to compare. Ronaldo (R9) was the best I’d seen in my lifetime until Messi appeared.
Yes it’s sad that Obesenaldo has become a forgotten player amongst football history researchers. He never put up outstanding numbers but he was a player you have to watch to appreciate. It’s funny cuz before all the advanced stats were available he was regarded as a consensus top 7. But now he’s barely not 30 for most!
1- Diego .
2- Messi .
3- Ronaldo Nazario.
4- Zinedine Zidane .
5- Ronaldinho .
6- Cristiano Ronaldo
7- Pele .
8- Alfredo Di Stefano .
9- Johan Cruyff .
10- Juan Roman Riquelme .
@@salakayyan9886 3rd should be Cristiano not R9. You have to look at the longevity of their careers as well not only natural ability. To do it for 15-16 years is not easy. Portugal was never a strong team, take that into consideration. When R9 played for Brazil, they had other big stars too.
@@salakayyan9886
1. Messi >>>
2. Diego >~
3. Pele
4. Cryuff
5. R9
6. De Stefano
7. Beckenbauer
8. Van Basten
9. Zidane
10. Puskas
@@prozmystery
1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Pele
4. CR7
5. R9
6. Gerd Müller
7. Zizou
8. Cruyff
9. Eusebio
10. Puskas/Mbappé/Iniesta
Ronaldo had a 3 year head start and he still came way short of Messi in every category, the Messi vs Ronaldo debate was never a debate to begin with, Messi has always and will always be the best, he didn't even need to win a World Cup to prove it, but he still got it as well, now no one has any excuse at all to deny his greatness.
How come Ronaldo has more goals then?
@@jack-ot8euRonaldo has played more than 100 games than Messi and he is only ahead by like 15 total career goals, and if we count goals only from top 5 leagues, then Messi is already ahead.
Ronaldo can score all he wants in South Africa haha, but no one cares and those goals don't count in a debate vs Messi.
Messi has completed football. He's been doing it at all levels. U20 World Cup. Olympic tournament. Copa America and the World Cup. Plus he's also won the golden boy award and the Ballon D'or. He has nothing else to achieve in the sport
Ronaldo fans be like: win euros!!!!!!!!
When Messi clearly can’t (he chose not to just because he loves representing Argentina)
@@bennyksmusicalworld bunch of retards
1) his wc win is nothing. It was obviously rigged and many don't respect it. Ontop of that, many players win the WC at a much younger age with much better stats, which does not make them the goat 2) if it was off trophies and not ability, then Beyonce would be the greatest musician of all time. Now you see why a player's actual ability, physicality, and game sense is important3) he's never played in a physical and demanding league. La Liga was made for his playstyle. 4) he's always done well with the greatest midfielders of all time. Disregarding this wc, he has never done well on the international stage. This is because he doesn't have iniesta, busqets, and xavi making his goals. 5) even his years at barca and the rewards he got are coming under question due to corruption and evidence over evidence of paying referees. How can you praise what he's done and the awards he's gotten in rigged seasons? All in all, he's a great player but not the goat. Cristiano Ronaldo has played all over Europe, including the physically demanding premier league. He is better on his weak foot and in the air. Had matched dribbling ability until a knee injury. Won with a team that was not as strong as Barcelona, as most el classics showed. Has not been caught on a team paying referees.
@@tariqbaerzae “Disregarding this WC” makes your argument immediately disposable
@@tariqbaerzae a lot of nonsense u have said it’s incredible how silly u sound😂😂😂
Messi in his prime was the best ever.
Ronaldo was just as good from age 23 to age 32
@@thehonestdoctor3590 You mean penaldo?
@@abrahamjames7004 yeah the King! 👑👑👑 he scored 800 penalty kicks
@@thehonestdoctor3590No he wasn’t as good. Takeaway their goals and you still have a genius in Messi, Cr not so much
Don’t disrespect Ronaldo 🙏🏼(I’m a Messi fan)
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME 🇦🇷🇦🇷❤️ 👽
PELE WON 3 WORLD CUPS, YOU WERE TOLD PELE WAS THE BEST WHEN YOU WERE BORN AND THE FACT STILL REMAINS
Ronaldinho is the greatest of all time!!! 🤙
@@Way_Of_The_Light not even top 10
@@mrsmith7936 all things change in the end
@@michaelpeasah8690 like what, that was a redundant comment pls delete it, or admit you have no idea
Messi is the greatest ever, if you were supposed to take out the achievements such as trophies and gold scores, Messi is the best player of the ball ever, no one can play football like him.
There's no question about that
This is not a topic for discussion anymore
He is the GOAT 🐐
Maradona is the goat.
@@jamalhadraoui5183 He’s a sheep and Messi it the goat
no
True football fans know real well he's not the goat 🤷♂️ Penalties, a gifted Balon d oro, and a gifted wc from fifa doesn't make u goat
@@stansmith5610 stop crying....
Shaka finally relents? Wonders never cease!
“Maradona was a better leader”. I don’t know about that. Considering how he cares about his Argentinian teammates and how they respect him as a leader. I think maybe players like Messi, Modric and Benzema (last year in the CL) are redefining what we think of as “leaders”, where it’s less about them and their larger than life egos and more about the team.
There's more to Maradona's leadership than Argentina. Maradona Won the World Cup and then went to Napoli, a club that had literally been fighting relegation the year prior. At a time when no Non-Northern Italian side had ever won the Scudetto. The team around Maradona wasn't even great, because they didn't spend money the way that the Northern Italian powers did. Maradona led them to two Scudettos in six years and no non-Northern Italian side has won the Scudetto since.
@@segagenesis7708 Thanks for explaining. Makes sense why he’s so beloved by Napoli fans.
@@Redonepunch No worries. Personally, I have no issue with people who feel it’s Messi, or Maradona, or Pele or El Fenomino or Zidane or Cruyff, etc. I just like to have discussions where fans are more open minded to learn about the history. Because 30 years from now, a younger generation of fans will declare that Player X is the GOAT. And they will say that older fans and players who still claim Messi is the GOAT, are stuck on nostalgia and stuck in the past.
@@segagenesis7708 dont even try wit tat kind of fanatic people. Maradona was and is a god, especially for argentina people. ow can anyone beat god?
@@segagenesis7708 precisely
Finally Shaka has said it
Poor Shaka...and everyone else wo dares to deny a forced opinion
Its was never a question......GOAT without a doubt🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
FINALLY!!! The suspense of Shaka's answer was killing me. We can now rest assured that he is in touch with reality. 🙏 Now I can have that piece of cake I was saving.
The little magic man completed football 😌
Messi is the definition of “work in silence and let your success make the noise” that’s why he is the goat from all generations
I never thought shaka would admit it
The debate is over
what debate?
During Pele's and Maradona' eras anti-doping regulations, checks and equipment were not as strict or high tech as the regulations and equipments in today's Messi era. It took so long for Maradona to be found to be using enhancement drugs which puts a big question mark on his predessor, Pele, knowing that he comes from a country which was then notorious for drug abuse. Many athletes' consumables during Pele's era have been banned over the years so Messi can't benefit from them. Just imagine Messi in his current form on steroids / enhancement drugs. 😯 Messi is the GOAT.
“Every head must bow, every tounge must confess, this is the greatest of all time.” -Mike Tyson
kakakakaka
Copyright from the Bible
Shaka has no choice anymore than to admit it. Even now he's finding it difficult to admit it. 😂😂😂
Seriously, who cares about the opinion of an ex-goalkeeper that was himself very far from being great among his peers?
A Lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of the Sheep.
Shaka was thinking Messi will never win it.
I don't know what else anyone needs to prove himself..since 2012 we have been hearing he is the one of the greatest and another 10 years of miracle what else
FINALLY HE ADMITS IT! Well done Shaka! 🙂
Forced to....the concept of FANATICISM as reached a new level
@@mariaronaldo3139you’re a Ronaldo fan hating under every Messi comment section, now THAT’s fanaticism. Stop projecting and go argue with Gerd Müller fans because there is a legitimate argument for Müller being greater than CR7🤭
@@mariaronaldo3139 He himself said Messi need to win WQ to be GOAT, He need to be accountable,nobody forcing.
@@panacea26947 future will tell. I don t ate Messor anyone else. I just prefer Ronaldo or even Mbappé and I do because, freedom of will is somtin I still value. Messi would ave been trucidated in 1 er leaue and everybody nows it. And I comment werever and wenever I want.
@@panacea26947 and me sayin it I call it real consistency and freedom. Just because I can like anyone else.
There was never a debate..Messi 🐐
Be nice to see the assist stats up there with the cups and goals stats. Because messi has not only been a scorer but a provider. And beyond that. It’s the consistency over nearly 20 years!
Finally, he compelled to acknowledge....
The people who doubted him were blind. Just let them be. Messi is the G.O.A.T. as always!❤
You make it seem like the people who said he wasn't 'thee' best, said he was a bad player. They all still had him in the top 3-5.
@@segagenesis7708 there's the stupid dude who said messi without xavi and Iniesta is average.
I mean he admitted he was wrong when messi lifted the world cup, but still.
This question is a difficult one for me because I never watched Pele play. Despite his talent, Maradona was on the news for the wrong reasons with his lifestyle choices and addictions....and then there is MESSI. A short skinny kid with incredible talent but without the height and physique football experts believed was required to succeed. Yet he continue to prove pundits and talking heads everywhere wrong. Dude never complain or whine like you know who. Never stepped out of line, and never forgot his simple humble beginning.
To be at that level for more than a decade with everything he achieved without, drugs controversy and scandal is what makes him an exceptional role model and the REAL GOAT 🐐.
It’s hard to compare across era but Messi is definitely the most effective offensive player ever (his goal and play making ability is just unreal)
That being said, I’d argue Ronaldinho is the most talented player ever and I’m really not going to budge on that until I see someone do what he did
Maradona just as good in terms of talent. That's in terms of their ball control and manipulation abilities
Ronaldinho is not even top 5 when it comes to talent. Dribbling players through skill-full moves doesn’t make you the most talented player.
Talent is when you can influence the game in different ways. Unless, you can find a player who can score close to 91 Goals in a year & also have the ability to be the best playmaker in the World, no one is close to Messi talent-wise.
Ronaldinho was unreal. But Messi is by far the most talented player ever seen. Even if you you go off stats, it still doesn’t make up for how good he is
Finally, Shaka can see Leo Messi, the G.O.A.T. Lol.....
We will look back at this argentina squad and realise how amazing messi was. There are 3 or 4 players in that squad that were stand out - Di Maria, Messi, mcallister and alvarez. You can argue emi martinez too.
But two of those guys are mid 30s and led the team. Messi and di maria dragged that team through as icons to inspire the team. We will look back and compare this tournament to Argentina 86.
Messi was key in bringing a decent team to world level. It was unreal.
Yes,no doubt about it. "GOAT 🐐 "
Lionel Messi is undoubtedly the Greatest FOOTBALLER of all Time!!!! Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah
🇳🇱 Johan Cruyff : "Thank God that Messi exists."
🇵🇹 José Mourinho : "Messi is the God of Football."
🇪🇦 Pep Guardiola : "Messi is the best player of all time."
🇨🇵 Arsène Wenger : "Best Footballer ever? Lionel Messi."
🇦🇷 Diego Simeone : "Messi or Maradona? I think Messi is better."
🇮🇹 Fabio Capello : "Messi is the only genius in world football. Period."
🇩🇪 Jürgen Klopp : "For me, Messi will always be the number #1 in history."
🇩🇪 Joachim Löw : "Lionel Messi is the Most Complete Player I've ever seen."
🇧🇷 Luiz Filipe Scolari : "Coaching Messi would be the Greatest joy of my career."
🇪🇦 Vicente Del Bosque : "I think Messi has surpassed Diego Maradona. He's the best player of all time."
Messi is the most beautiful thing ever happened to the World of Football. We probably won't see any other footballer in history, to get this kind of admiration from all the GOAT Managers.
The Greatest there was, The Greatest there is and The Greatest there ever will be. ❤️😘🐐
Some of us BEEN calling him the GOAT for over 10 years now!
Would you like an award for having a *PERSONAL OPINION* for over 10 years? 🙄
@@lonelyboy1977 already got that award when Messi confirmed being the GOAT that we knew he always was. VALIDATION ☺️
@@lonelyboy1977 not really a personal opinion, it's stating the obvious.
@@yes-wh1zj I love the *INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE* you provided confirming the *IRREFUTABLE TRUTH* of a *SUBJECTIVE OPINION* that is *LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE* . Oh, wait a minute... 😄😆😂🤣
BTW Remind me again how Messi is "greater" than Lev Yashin. Somehow the "obviousness" of it has managed to escape me. 👍
@@lonelyboy1977 if it eases your pain, then messi is the best attacking player.
But by your logic
How do you know messi greater is than karius?
There's not a way you can compare a goalkeeper to an outfield player .
But it's "obvious" that messi is more useful than karius.
I just don’t know what more he can do to be undisputed to some people
There's always going to be idiots that can't handle the truth. Anyone with a brain knows Messi is the greatest of all time now.
ony because many people will never consider it and never will?
Win a World Cup without any bias and favorable decisions
@@agnikaineverdies7646 Ronaldo is a bigger star than messi why didn’t fifa show “bias” to Portugal?
1. How about *NOT* having an *INFERIOR* goals per game ratio than Ferenc Puskas and Gerd Muller?
2. How about being instrumental in helping a club become European Champions in 5 *CONSECUTIVE* seasons like Ferenc Puskas did for Real Madrid?
3. How about *NOT* having an *INFERIOR* free kick conversion rate than Juninho Pernambucano?
4. How about becoming a European Champion with one club more times than Paolo Maldini is a 5 European Champion with AC Milan?
5. How about *NOT* having an *INFERIOR* penalty conversion rate than Matt Le Tissier?
6. How about being the *ONLY* player in his position to win the Ballon D'or, like Lev Yashin is (and *ALWAYS* will be)?
7. How about joining a small club that has *NEVER* won a league title or European trophy in its history, and being instrumental in helping the club to achieve both for the first (and so far last) time, like Diego Maradona?
8. How about *NOT* having *INFERIOR* longevity at the highest level of the game than Paolo Maldini?
9. How about accumulating 150+ penalty saves (and 270+ clean sheets) in his career like Lev Yashin?
10 How about *NOT* having 21 other players in history with 2 World Cup wins instead of just 1 World Cup win?
Does everyone forget Messi’s peak. Nobody has ever been close to 91 goals in a year/73 in a season and 30 plus assists. Nobody has ever been close to that, not Pele, certainly not Maradona and not CR7. Now Messi has the Jewell in the crown.
Best dribbler ever, best passer and assister ever and at his peak the best scorer ever, all in one player. Messi is 🐐and he hasnt finished yet.
As long as Ronaldo fans have pulses, there will be no end to the arguing lmao
As long as Ronaldo fans don't have brain cells is more like it
after the WC they're now all corpses....good riddance.
@@Brainmap101 😂
The world knows messi is the goat.. All we can do is just ignore those guys..
Now they become pele fans🤣
we've been calling messi a GOAT during his debut! 100% 🐐!
Now Ronaldo fans say Messi has to win the epl to be the GOAT, y'all are just clowns at this point
Fr 😂 they act like la liga in its prime wasn’t already enough
He’s the GOAT of sport. No sportsperson has entertained more people.
Jordan is still the goat of goats but messi is just breathing down the neck
@supersaiyanjin2199 Haha Are you joking? Basketball is only big in the US. Most other countries don't even play it.
@@Antibot2025 but all countries buy jordan shoes
Messi if you noticed when is playing he is scanning the pitch, he is not even looking at the ball when he is got it and produces magic
Well, to have that kind of skill it thrills you, it is such joy to watch what he is doing on the pitch
Now obviously Maradona and Pele they went through a different era of football but the fact is the individual skills which Messi in my opinion cannot be compared ,ticking all the boxes it does makes him the greatest player of all time
The greatest final ever, the greatest attitude, Leadership from Messi as far as his leadership is concerned. Thanks to France for turning the final into a heart stopping final. Mbappe probably deserved to win the world cup but not more than Messi. Messi deserved to win in such a dramatic fashion. The world cup is honoured to crown Messi as its champion. It must be world cup's pride that Messi has won it at last. A fairy tale . He is among the greatests if not the greatest. Case closed.
He has been the Goat since 2012, the penaldians keeps on forcing it.. Lol
forcin it? kkkk. 500 million people?
@@mariaronaldo3139 so many gays and cheeks right?
@@JustaWonderer419 kakaka talk for yourself. But obviously missis fan are racist and now even homofobics: And now ladies and gentlemen tis is wat messi's fandom represents: A retrocess in modern civilization.
Been waiting for a long time to hear this from shaka
Thats done
Messi is the Greatest of all time
Debate sealed
Lets move on
His abilities to go n look for that ball n then bring it all the way n make beautiful goals is unique. No one else. His humbling attitude come on guys hes the best!!!
In 1962 Pele played the first two World Cup matches and got injured for the rest of it…
It’s a stretch to say he has 3 world cups - imo
He played 2 games and scored 1. That's his contribution - not legendary but he was still part of the squad. So cry more. He has 3 WC.
Pele is the Goat
Who has the most golden ball in world cup? Most goal contribution in world cup? Goal in every knockout stage of world cup?
ESPN please 🙏...We know Messi is the 🐐 already
Respect to Shaka. Honestly asking him the question right away I get why he said let him come back and give him time to truly think.
I sometimes ask ourselves, do we really understand how absurd Messi’s career is? 30 years from now, people will look at his career and say, it’s impossible.
He has 7 ballon d’ors (could easily be 8)
Scored 91 goals in a year
74 goals in a season.
He will retire, with most Goals+assists ever.
Has most goals+assist in World Cup history.
Forget being the top scorer and top assist provider in Barca, and La liga history.
He would end up with the most trophies ever and would have won every competition he has ever played in.
Then, he was part of footballs greatest individual rivalry ever, against Ronaldo who is easily top 5 all time, and still overcame it. Above all, you will watch his games on RUclips and he will pass the eye test. You won’t watch a highlights of another player and say, he was better than Messi, impossible.
Yes Maradona was amazing, and on talent he’s the one of the greatest, but what Messi will have over him, over time is the records and the accolades that will live on. The people who watched Messi will die, and his records will continue to stand and blow peoples mind. Some of these records will be untouchable. Ain’t no one winning 7 or possibly 8 ballon dors anytime soon
I'm like 95% certain that Messi will win the Ballon D'or. Not only does he deserve it the most again, but France Football and the voting journalists will want to make up the disgrace of Messi not even finishing in the top 30 last season
Messi will have the balon dor named after him.. the Messi balon dor
I just want to add one thing Messi’s game is everything from controlling the ball, the rhythm, dribbling, passing, setting pieces, free kicks, and shooting with high accuracy like in a play station game. He easily jump in the top of every attacking categories of the game with more than 30% MVP. It is really impossible. I watch his full games during Barca days then come to highlights and ask myself how his highlights can take about 8-10’? How he can do that every games? How he can do something we cannot imagine or we need time to analyze? Sorry i wanted to add one thing but listed too much 😅 In general, it is impossible to see someone like him!
Messi has never went 3 games without a man of the match
I personally disagree with you on that, when you watch highlights of peak Ronaldo Nazario, they are quite comparable.
Stop beating about the Bush. Messi is the greateat of all time. The Numbers do not lie. It's not about era and taste. Had he not won the world cup. Same pundits would have used that as an excuse and even gone to the extent to put Mbappe somewhere in the conversation. Shame on you guys. HE IS THE GREATEST
Congratulations Messi 👑🏆🐐❤️💞👏👏👏
Being consistent across national level and club level with more trophies, individual awards, stats, abilities for 18 years makes this magic man A GOAT... No debate
For me its not just the accomplishment i also see the physical aspect. His size and what he can do to the field its so amazing how good he is cause in the end of the days size does matter most of the times.
Not in football
You must be kidding me, he was already the GOAT even before he won the World Cup
Missi is the only goat 🐐 with or without worldcup 🎉🇦🇷🎉
Happy merry Christmas to all of Messi and Barcelona funs
🎉🎉🌹🎉🎉🎉🇦🇷
Is it me or has this video been done at least 10 times by you guys in the past week?
They like views
Cause we are still clicking 🤣😂
keep Wondering the whole ESPN reporters or rather clowns doesn't have a single Ronaldo supporter at least they has to be one, 25/50 will always say ronaldo is still their Goat no matter what, are you guys scared of FIFA..ooo u guys are under FIFA so you can't go against FIFA pet son Messi.. Copa American was played back to back just to favour one player even as corrupt as AFCON that string cannot be pulled😂😂😂
And you still clicking on it? Got any better to do? Lol
@@confidential_b4238i mean only the deluded calls him Goat now lol
I’ve always been a CR7 fan, I’m always going to be a Madrid fan, but what Messi achieved and the way he’s still performing at his age he is the GOAT hands down.
And that’s the difference between someone who was born with talent and someone who worked extremely hard to achieve what CR7 did. It proves that talent doesn’t die, but age will catch up to you no matter how much effort you put into it.
Messi is the greatest because he tries to be the best on and off the pitch. Something Pele and Maradona couldn't do. And as we all know that affected Maradonas career at the end.
@@hanumanguy Yeah, and Maradona was too. Even Messi is currently
It has been settled for years, no one is as complete as Messi not just as a scorer, but a playmaker and game changer. There is no other man who does it all as well as he does: look at the pass he made against Holland: only Messi can do that.
LOL!!! Tell me you only started watching football this century without telling me you only started watching football this century. 😄😆😂🤣
Messi was destined for greatness. That's why many people say it was already written. They can easily make a movie of his life
“He’ll never be the goat until he wins the Euros”
-Shaka, probably
Haha. Facts.
technically he did the finalissima