EDIT: THIS IS NOW A GAME THEORY, FUHNAFF, ID'S FANTASY, AND RYETOAST *APPROVED* THEORY LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :))) Okay y'all I agree, I deserve to be bullied for that pronunciation of alias... it was late in the night when I recorded this okay LEAVE ME ALONE Also even though it's not a big point in this video or anything, yes I realized after this that Charlie's death happens at Fredbear's so the "everything went wrong" is likely that, however I still theorise the bite happened there since it's a parallel timeline so the bite MAY still carry over anyways, as I think the "timeline splitting moment" was Henry deciding to recreate Charlie as a robot, which he doesn't do in the games - that being what turns it into a new timeline. Just my 2 cents on that though and sorry for the mistake! :P This is a big one... so SUBSCRIBE! What do you think about all of this - did I solve it? Let me know your thoughts! Remember this is just a theory. --- it's only been a single hour but thank you all for the kind comments, I really appreciate it and will get around to replying in the morning! But also massive thank you to everyone who DISAGREES actually being nice and constructive about it instead of just being rude haha - that was the one thing I was worried about so :') Hope you all enjoy and I'll see you soon! :D
Personally, based on what you've laid out, I think you solved it. Cause your solution addresses people's issues with the 4th letter and how the name is meant to be spelled, using not so much speculation and moreso evidence from the book itself. Also the mirror that should have been more important, yet kept getting glossed over a lot, has relevance and more meaning now. It always kinda felt to me like we were supposed to get a name reveal from it but from what I saw, no one really addressed it or had a satisfying answer So personally, long story short, yea. I think you did a great job with some pretty solid evidence. I hope this gets around more so others can discuss to see where this goes as a Fandom Sorry this was long winded
I HAVE A THEORY WITH BARELY ANY SUPPORT, PHONE GUY IS CHICA CHILD FROM THE BITE OF 83 CHICA CHILD CALLS HIS FRIEND TO HELP WITH THE NIGHTS AT HIS JOB TO GET OVER HIS TRAMA AND CHICA CHILD MOST LIKELY DIES FROM A BITE, I SERIOUSLY CAME UP WITH THIS OUT OF NO WHERE
I like your solution better. This solution feels like a bit of a stretch tbh (relative to the "simpler" puzzle solutions throughout the rest of the book), what with 5 representing 5 children and 4 representing 4 letters, it's not exactly an intuitive connection. The same can be said about 7 and 1. I honestly can't see Scott putting that in the book with the intention of us putting that together. Regardless of whether or not your solution for the tallies is exactly correct, it's hard for me to believe that the tallies are anything other than counting up to a total. Firstly, they are tally marks, that's literally all they do, they tally. Secondly, tallies of 5 are ALWAYS grouped together, never independent from each other. It just makes intuitive sense that the tally of 4 indicates the end of the sequence of tallies. Anyways, that's my two cents. Great vid!
Both dual process theory and this one has been making me go “Maybe the entire community should take a step back, forget everything we think we know, and solve everything again from the ground up one game at a time and see what we come up with
No, at this point Steel Wool is probably building off of incorrect theories, and their first game actually suggested everything before is potentially retconned anyway.
@@TMS-Oddbot saying Steel Wool is "building off of incorrect theories" is a little weird, though. I thought people had said that Scott oversaw the project? I think it's better to think of it as a sort of "reboot" of the story that Scott and SW are using to take the games in a different direction. The story of the Aftons is done with UCN, William is stuck in purgatory and the spirits (most of them anyway depending on how you take the ending or whatever with Cassidy/vengeful spirit) are free. That's closed. The mostly supernatural/fantasy aspect of it with spirits haunting machines seems to be mostly over, and now they're being taken on a more modern path with AI and everything else. It looks like the same universe, but a different continuity. That's how I take it anyway.
Sire Squawks does something similar to that degree, going back, and discussing details from previous games, and their possible connections to later titles, such as the cases for and against Molten MCI, who possessed the Logbook, etc.
Allow me to go fully weird with it for a sec: William - "Strong-willed", literally a man whose will to live is so strong he's immortal. Michael - "God is unparalleled/ *who resembles God?* (Retorical question)", a man who looks *'just like his father'* . David - "Beloved", the son William watched the closest, who he promised to put back together. Whose death was the impetus to his descent into madness. Elizabeth - "My God is an oath.", the daughter who broke an oath to her father and died for it, and attempts to reclaim her loyalty even in the afterlife.
THATS SOUNDS LIKE ITS ALL LIKE A FAMILY NAME THING I THINK MAYBE THE MOTHER HAVE ALSO A NAME SIMILAR TO THAT IN MY FAMILU FOR EXAMPLE THEY DO SOMETHING A BIT EASIER TO SPOT MY FATHERS FAMILY ALL HAVE NAMES THAT START WITH E (IM ENMA AND MY BROTHERS ERNEST AND EMIR) MY MOTHERS FAMILY MOST HAVE NAMES ENDING WITH "EL" (ANGEL NAMES) LIKE RAFAEL, ISRAEL, URIEL AND MY THIRD NAME ISABEL AND MY SISTERS AND ME HAVE "ANIA" NAMES, IM DANIA, AND MY SISTERS ARE TANIA AND VANYA SO I THINK FOR WILLIAM FAMILY THE NAMES MEANINGS MAY BE SOMETHING BIBLICAL AND WITH A MEANING ON THE ACTUAL STORY ALSO I LIKE THAT ELIZABETH AND ISABEL HAVE THE SAME MEANING :3 (IM ALMOST NAMED LIKE BABY)
@@HyperDroidLike, Imagine the secret ending for SOTM being Afton’s POV of the Bite of 93. And he screams the crying child’s name (and how he reacts to Micheal’s role in what he just did). Not only could it 100% confirm his name, but also give us some insight to the Afton family relationship.
@@HyperDroid It's kind of hinted at in the FNAF movie interviews, he just prefers to use later entries to push fans in the right direction and fill in blanks that they're missing 🤔
I kid you not I thought of that but I thought it was so obvious I didn't mention it though I'm almost certain I wouldn't have though of how to get the evad
Literally. But i think that pointing out the mirror part is important because it wouldn't make sense otherwise that scott would give a reversed answer for this alone.
Makes sense. Neither Evan nor Garret are British names. Dave on the other hand- Yeah, I hear it everywhere. Every other guy is named Dave here. Why would William name his kid anything other than a British name?
@@HyperDroidsorry if this video was already made or if this is a bad request, but I do really need a video explaining all the lore so I can catch up (I took a break in 2020 I think then came back in 2022 I’m never doing that again) so I really need a video with lore that was confirmed (theories can be added) but yeah I just need to get back to understanding things😭
I’d say Dave is a lot more compelling of an answer than Evan for his name especially because of existence of the name in the franchise apart from the puzzle
@@eleanor3445apparently he officially leaves gtlive in october or something (according to other fans.. I’ve been too busy to watch lives if they’ve been mentioned on there)
Dave actually makes sense, considering afton family members names They got pretty formal names William Micheal Elizabeth And now David I think that would make sense
This theory is made even stronger by the fact that the "reflection" passages seem to line up with at least two questions that Cassidy asked. Reflect on your happiest day - the party was for you. Reflect on your dreams - do you still have dreams. One also asked about imaginary friends, could be linked to seeing/hearing?
Wait, wait, it's just as likely to be David Baron, too. Although either way, _does that mean that they've been CANADIAN this entire time, not British??????_ :P
Dude you have convinced me. This feels right, and the idea of William using his sons name is just perfect for his character and the line of "I will put you back together"
This is the biggest stretch, but reminding me of the “put back together” line just made me think of one of the most famous sculptures in the world: the David. Which in turn makes sense because ultimately, the CC isn’t much more than a project to William on one level (much like an art piece), but represents something far greater when put in the context of remnant experiments (like how the David was a piece from Florence meant to intimidate those in power in Rome). It’s a bit early, so I’m not sure if I’m articulating this well, but long story short, Dave scratches the art history itch when taking the CC as a symbol for William’s ambitions.
A possible meta reason for why he used 39 in the first place, might be because that’s the crying child’s age now - scratching tally marks like the stereotypical prisoner, especially given how important ‘birthdays’ are to the character. This book was published in 2017, which minus 39 gives you 1978, the bite was in 1983, making him five years old (which feels about right).
And the crying child's birthday is presumably in the summer! Scott Cawthon was also born in 1978, June 4th specifically, I think it would be honestly hilarious if he made the crying child's birthday the exact same as his own
If these theories are true (which I honestly fully believe), I bet Scott was sitting in complete disbelief at how complicated everyone was making a puzzle whose solution was simply “39 = 39”
right when i saw the 39 = 39 you wrote, i though 3x3 and 9+9 which is 9 and 18, then i got 198, so then i thought "well theres 7 tallies" so 1987. idk why i thought of that by just 39 = 39 lol
David meaning “beloved” also might refer to and hint at David being William’s favorite child as, if you believe he was the very first to die, David would be the catalyst to William’s murder spree. A child so “beloved” by his father his death drove William to insanity. Also even if the name Dave Miller may not be William’s canon alias when he works as a night guard in the games, the fact that the name Dave is associated (or should I say RELATED) with William Afton at all could mean something.
@@axisaxolotl5875 Far from it, in _any_ continuity William seems to overlook or underappreciate Elizabeth and he sees Michael more as a tool, "David" would naturally be his favorite. In the books, Elizabeth is a tool Afton uses for his own gain, in the games he completely overlooks her, in the movie she either doesn't exist or is Vanessa, who he still mistreats.
Even in the interview Scott did for the 10th anniversary that he has always been bad with names so him repeating David/Dave throughout the books and games does add up too, and the fact that it’s been “solved” years ago. Great video 🖤
More Proof of crying child's name being Dave in Security Breach: there has been significance of the name Dave/David which either hints or parallels at the theory that crying child's name is Dave. In Security breach in the when you go to upgrade your entry ticket to get into the pizzeria there is a duffel bag and the note is titled "HI DAVE" in all caps almost hinting at significance even though the message just says: "CUSTOMER COMPLAINT - You should fire Dave. He sucks.". It really does feel like Scott Cawthon has been rubbing it in our faces the whole time. Anyways just felt like another parallel that is trying to hint us in the right direction.
I fee like Scot was trolling with us in VIP by using Ike and Devan as brothers. It’s like he combined cc’s actual name and the name everyone was calling him. Dave + Evan = Devon
While I can understand the one answer to cassidy's not being super direct I'm missing how its a dead stop for some of you. The reflect thing is so incredibly rock solid beyond a shadow of a doubt...what more could you want? This is a phenomenal theory. Can't wait to see Matpats reaction. The Foxy grid being solved while he is still active enough to see it and respond is such a perfect thing for the last phase of Matpat, so thank you Hyper Droid.
I agree, the reflect thing is really what got me. Because outside of it leading to an answer to something, it is WAY out of place in not only the franchise (reflection or self reflection isn’t a major theme) and for the book- why would a security guards log book be pushing self reflecting, or using the WORD reflect when plenty of other words would have fit as well. As a writer one of the first things I do when editing is to check for words I just overused the hell out of… then I go back and find synonyms for them so you don’t read the same word every half a page- if this wasn’t intentional I don’t think we’d be seeing it SO FUCKING MUCH in the book.
Honestly I think the logbook puzzle just wasn’t super amazingly thought out by Scott or whoever else was involved with it lol. The fact that it took this long is kind of a testament to that
Dave sounds like it'd make sense. They all have names that can be shortened... Michael = Mike David = Dave William = Will/Bill That being said, nobody says 'Mike Afton' or 'Will Afton,' so I will def be calling him 'David Afton'
I think this is a great find cause I always found it weird that the mirror didnt seem to come into play as much as it should have. But this makes so much sense
I’m absolutely in love with this theory. William having Michael, David, and Elizabeth, all Biblical names as others have pointed out, seems very fitting for the creator of this series. I love that you used the mirror and I can’t believe how close the community was! All this time. Imagine if that final question and answer had been slightly more clear in their relation to one another. Makes you wonder if a small tweak could’ve helped the community find this solution faster.
This theory is awesome! The only drawback is that the answers that the Crying Child gives to Cassidy's questions aren't always answers, but rather statements. The infuriating part of finding a four letter name is that it's a lot easier to stumble into unintended solutions. Like, the name Cassidy is a whopping 7 letters, and the method to finding it is so deliberate that it could never happen on accident. If CC's name were actually something along the lines of Garrett, it would be so much easier to confirm...
Huh I've wondering about how lore fans manage to get that name at the time but the foundation of that theory was flimsy at best. They just found that name like they put two pieces of a puzzle while missing the rest of the package so most of us discarded the idea.
I’VE ALSO BEEN THINKING THIS! Ever since I heard that ‘Evad’ was the foxy grid, I’ve always been like “uhh just put it backwards, it’s just Dave” I’M SO GLAD I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT OF THIS!!!
I 100% believe that the Tally-marks are the way of Scott guiding us to Cassidy's name. He 100% thought that we were gonna be stuck at Cassidy's name instead of Dave's. I BET that Scott was/is laughing at us all this time for not finding the easier name first. Good Job!! You cooked with this theory!!!!
Well that’s actually a nice theory. The crying child has so many names that this just feels like another one added on to the pile. I’m not fully sold until his name is confirmed definitively at this point.
Definitely an interesting theory. I think there's another theory that states that crying child's name is Cassidy. In fact, I think newer material sort of points to the crying child being the 5th MCI victim. Yet I have yet to play the games, read the books, or watch the movie it seems interesting that the Cassidy victim theory is gaining traction regardless.
@@zenvariety9383 It's literally impossible for BV to be the 5th MCI victim. BV dies after having his head crushed by Fredbear, while the 5 MCI victims are killed by William and stuffed into the animatronic suits, possibly at a separate location entirely. Cassidy is the 5th MCI victim, not BV. (Note: BV is short for Bite Victim)
@@fnaffoxy1987well CC didn’t immediately die but went into a coma and william and michael talked to him during the ending of fnaf 4, now I don’t believe he was one of the five, but he didn’t immediately possess fredbear, so something had to happen for him to possess fredbear.
This makes so much more sense the way you got Dave than how other people got Evan. It’s more straightforward, you’ve convinced me, he’s called Dave to me now
Best solution I’ve ever seen. Every other solution requires some weird logic breaks to get an answer. This feels like it was actually intended and lines up for several reasons
If reflect is only mentioned four times it could have led to the four questions Self Reflection-> look in the mirror-> i cant see Reflect on what youre grateful for->toy friends->i can hear sounds (a stretch) Reflect on your happiest day->party->it was for me Reflect on the meaning of your dreams->nightmares-> im scared Just saying it might be another skipped step 🎉😅
My girlfriend and I were just watching this again, when we came to the "TYFWA" solution that came up nothing. She instantly said, "To you from, William Afton"... I was just sat jaw agape for a bit. But it just doesn't work does it? I'm impressed she just spun round and said that outta nowhere though! She's not a fan per say, but we enjoy the videos! Clearly more than I appreciated. This is still one of the most concrete theories this series has ever seen. Massive well done again!
Honestly this is probably the best I've seen in terms of figuring out the solution so I will happily adopt "Dave" as crying child's name in the absence of anything to counter this. Like I'm genuinely tired of awkwardly referring to a fictional character by his behavioural tendencies + noun for a sub adult human lmao
Overall I think this is solid! Not 100% convinced, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for any clues that point to this. Also, thanks for calling out that William using CC's name would be basically desecration and an indicator he's an awful father, cause you know some fans would be like "He's honoring his beloved son! What a loving dad!'
How is it a desecration of Dave is crying child's name? I'm genuinely curious. (Btw,I do think that William is a POS parent and person in general,not defending Afton in any way. I just don't understand why na!omg himself Dave after his son is bad)
@@Dav458I think (this is just me interpreting) that with who William Afton is, and the actions he takes with all his children, it shows a sinister pattern. Like, normally if your child died and you renamed yourself to them that could be sweet? But even then I doubt a parent who lost a child wants to be reminded at every interaction and would go out of their way to. Especially themselves. But there is some nuance in that. I’ve never lost a child so I wouldn’t know. But William has neglected his children, used them, got them hurt, manipulated them, and even if he THINKS he cares for them, his actions are despicable. So we know if he did pick a new alias, even if it was out of “love” it was for all the wrong reasons. And really, he’s tainting his child’s name as he goes on to commit heinous acts. Thats just my interpretation though, you’re free to feel differently!
How does it mean he didn’t care for his kids. I’m not defending there are so many other reasons he’s a shitty father but I don’t see how this would be one
@@EmotianalBrat Because (in my opinion) it would indirectly show that William doesn’t care at all. He is fine using his dead child’s name to get away with a crime, when he could pick any other name, to absolve himself of any of the consequences his actions caused. The best thing to honor the child would be his abusive dad turning himself in and never harming another child. But that’s not what happens, obviously. Like I said, it could be out of love from his eyes, but really it shows how little he really cares. Or how warped his mind is that he thinks using his dead child’s name, is normal and a loving thing. Or maybe he did it to remind himself of his goals to bring his son back and torture himself. Or something.
Currently on a little FNAF revisit, and I have to say your theory holds water. I’m impressed. This was a really interesting perspective, especially pointing out the use of “reflect” in the pages with Cassidy’s questions.
And also remember Michael used the name of the dead foxy kid to get hired at the fnaf 2 location so using a dead kid's name to get hired at a pizza place in fnaf isn't new
The only other option I could think of for what the tallies are for is all the deaths/murders with the four being Charlie, Elizabeth, Dave, and an unknown and the 7 groups of 5 being everytime William went on a killing spree in a Freddy's location, but it's something I made up with no evidence to support it and a complete shot in the dark
I don't know if someone has pointed this before (there are too many comments) but something popped in my mind. Right in this moment [9:40 - 9:50] he mentions that Mike also uses the name of someone that's also dead, Fritz, one of the missing childs, but, isn't it Fritz also the kid that (assumed) is the one possesing Foxy? Foxy as the same animatronic mask Mike wore in his teenage years. I don't think is causality that Mike, whose one of his biggest symbols is Foxy, ended using the name of the only child that ended possesing the same animatronic
came from gtlive's reaction, brother, if you keep up this critical yet simple level of theorising, I'm here to stay (ditching game theory as my source for "close to definitive proof"), for now tho, take my watch time and like, bc you deserve it 150%, good fucking shit man
It could be that the Withered/Toy Chica page could confirm either that Susie was 100% the first victim or the Toys and Withereds share souls, and the Jeremy page could confirm that he's the 87 bite victim.
Honestly I actually believe this 100% Like, the technique is consistent, and makes sense, what else do we want? Evan always had that bittersweet feel, but this one is really logic Also how come you're the first one? That's really surprising Will I be using it..? Not really. He has so many names now (Dave, Evan, Chris, Norman...) that I feel like using them will only create more confusion. Everyone understands CC (or BV for the ones who prefer this one), and it gets straight to the point. Still, I believe in Dave. Evan is used so much it has tattoed itself in my brain, I'll just have to get used to Dave lol (And I don't blame people for using Evan, it's a pretty name)
The name Dave will either be the final answer to this mystery, or it will just join the list of popular but unconfirmed names that fans use for the Crying Child like Evan and Chris :/
@@bupboi6412 From what I remember, it was created not too long after Fnaf 4 was released. It originated from that famous audio clip that is used in many fan animations of the Bite from Fnaf 4. It’s the same audio where Michael/Foxy Bro was called Terrence. Both of these names are completely fan made and have no evidence of being cannon.
Looks up that David Cassidy took over the role of Joseph in the musical Joseph and his Amazing technicolour dreamcoat in 1983. Then (since I did the musical as a kid and the lyrics have been cemented into by brain) realises I know what you're feeling saucy about! 'I wore my coat, with golden lining...' a flash of drums a crash of light' my golden coat flew out of sight.' Okay you've just discovered the icing on the cake we didn't know we needed to say not only is it David and Cassidy BUT has to be where he got the names for the two spirits he chose to inhabit Golden Freddy. (edit) to clarify I mean the names for the children who would die to become the spirits inhabiting Golden Freddy.)
As soon as "EVAD" popped up, I was like "WAIT--" That makes so much sense I'm mad about it. Still gonna use Garrett for personal fanworks bc I've already invested too much time in it, but this is too logical not to be canon.
Also the name Fritz (Like father, like son) can be applied to the fact that Mike could go on the orders of the Father to the position of a security guard with the name that his father came up with for him
Easily the best solution I’ve seen to the question of the Crying Child’s name. Ticks all the boxes. I don’t know if it is actually *the* answer, but it’s the first time I’ve seen someone solve it where it at least feels like *an* answer, rather than some duct tape and flex seal slapped on a plot hole with a healthy dose of “well, if you squint at it really hard, in the dark…”
This actually settles something that's irked me for the longest time, the afton family is British, or at least has British toned names, William, Micheal, Elizabeth. So for crying child to have a name like Evan couldn't make sense, even dave irks me a little but dave can be short term for David. Which would also fit
no yeah 100%! dave as short for david is a very british name. saint david is literally the patron saint of wales! i'm not sure you could get much more 70s/80s british tbh... they're all finally british names :')
Not the most important detail you mentioned, but I think what really sold me on it was when said that David means "beloved". I think your methodology is sound enough, but maybe there's a detail I'm missing from lack of intimate use of the Survival Logbook. I'm probably not going to use the name until we see more of a consensus form, but as for this being proof, you've got me sold.
I remember this being pushed back rather aggressively a few years ago because MatPat dismissed it as too convoluted without even checking xD Nice to see the solution back. Honestly, it's the best take I've seen and the name fits totally with the bible-thing that Scott has going on. Chears man - and congrats on solving it on your own! That's amazing!
10:06 You’ve pretty much convinced me on the Crying Child’s name. That being said, I do think it’d be incredibly dumb on Scott’s part if he made another character who has the same name, is the young son of a Fazbear roboticist, is heavily associated with a plush toy, is tragically killed in the early 80s, and whose death is important to the story and leads to major supernatural phenomena as a “narrative parallel” within the _exact same timeline._ If that story truly is supposed to take place in the main continuity then that’s a pretty asinine creative decision.
I'm so glad someone else has come to this conclusion!! I remembered looking at the original Evan Solution when it was first found and seeing something along the lines of "I got EVAD first, but obviously that's not a name so I kept looking" in the post, and thinking "But... That's Dave backwards. Dave Miller? He's using his son's name? Is no one acknowledging this?" So honestly, this is super vindicating for me, and I'm glad you've found actual solid evidence that clicks for it!!
NGL, I think this is probably the best answer we have unless something comes out later to correct us. I like it as it adds significance to William's choice of alias and the name's meaning fitting really well considering people think he died first and was the catalyst for William to begin killing people.
Anytime I see really good solution videos that aren't game theory, I have mental maniacal laughter because matpat "retired" on the worst year ever lol.
When you brought up the kid in the “Tales From the Pizzaplex” story and his parellels with CC, I immediately said “It has to be”. *CC’s name is Dave Afton.*
Honestly not a bad theory. Yeah, the response of "I'm scared" to "Do you have dreams?" is a stretch just like the response to "Does he still talk to you?" being "I can hear sounds" which can also be a response to "Is this song familiar to you?" but (8:36) doesn't have a blood stain so I guess it works out. Overall though, Dave is more acceptable than Evan to me, and it's a nick name too like for Mike --> Micheal. And I also really like the reflection that you have to do in the mirror to get the name, that I feel is more concrete and something that the book hints at, with the word reflect repeated over and over as well as a mirror being shown. Side Note (people probably already made the connection): (7:57) I noticed that the words replaced by CC are also related to him: Fulfillment, Health, Purpose, and Existential Dread. I tried connecting them to the replaced words and here's what I got. I can't see --> Fulfillment - he's in the darkness, like he's missing something, maybe his soul, his memories, and or even waiting for a promise he doesn't remember I can hear sounds --> Health - possibly the sounds of the hospital equipment and his brother's and/or Puppet's or Fredbear-plush's faint words in his final moments I'm scared --> Purpose - he doesn't know who he is, what he's doing here, and why the one of the only things he can remember are the nightmares he's had It was for me --> Existential Dread - possibly referring to the only memories he can recall of his birthday and how it felt
We as a community are dumb. You got to be kidding me. Matpat read into every little bit of the games, but he didn't notice this?!?!?!?!??! What in the world is wrong with us?!
Damn, both 'Dave' and the tally marks supposed to be the START of the puzzle is extremely convincing. I wonder if @Ryetoast will consider this to be a significant mention of 'David' in the franchise?
So this solution has been around for a bit and I’ve been a huge proponent for it so here’s hoping this video will bring more eyes on it! Here’s all the evidence I’ve collected for it currently: - Dave/David fits perfectly within the pattern of characters (especially those connected to Crying Child) having and using both shortened and long versions of their names: Mike/Michael, Will/William (or Bill/William), and Charlie/Charlotte. (You could arguably also include Ness/Vanessa, Greg/Gregory, and Liz/Elizabeth, although "Liz" is never officially used for Elizabeth as far as I'm aware) - In Tales from the Pizzaplex the primary character the Mimic "mimics" is a boy named David with _brown hair_ and _brown eyes_ who _carries around a plush everywhere he goes_ meanwhile in RUIN the primary character the Mimic "mimics" is Gregory, and I shouldn't need to go into all the numerous connections between him and the Crying Child like the bandaid on his left knee shared with the drawing of CC in the Character Encyclopedia or him taking a bite out of a yellow Freddy popsicle in SB for example. (Figuring out how two extremely similar kids named David realistically works under TalesGames is a job for someone who knows more about it than me but I don't doubt it can be done) - Like you bring up, in The Silver Eyes William's fake security guard name (Dave Miller) also being the name of a dead kid is nearly identical to how (potentially) Michael's fake security guard name Fritz Smith is also the name of a dead kid, being Fritz the MCI victim. (On top of that there's also the possibility Jeremy Fitzgerald is a fake name shared with an MCI victim but that's a lot more up in the air currently) - Searching "Top names of the 1980s" shows that _David_ was in the *Top 10* names right alongside _Michael_ and _Elizabeth_ - Remember how the primary evidence used for CC's name being Evan is that in the Frights story "The Real Jake" Jake's father is named Evan with a brother named Michael? Well the _only other named father character_ in the entire story is named *_Dave_* and even further he has *three kids* one of whom is friends with Jake and that kid's name is *_DAVEY_* - In VIP the Interactive Novel our main characters are a pretty direct callback to Mike and CC being a young boy named Ike (who carried around a plushie everywhere and who's favorite ride is the Carousel) alongside his older brother Devon (who's annoyed at having to watch his younger brother to the point of physically abandoning him on his own). And if we take a closer look at those names we see that Ike is literally just Mike without the *M* and that _Devon_ is a perfect cross between the names _David_ and _Evan_ the names were just switched around between the two brothers cause naming the older brother "Ike" definitely would have been way too obvious. - And for possibly the wildest piece of evidence, in the FNAF Movie a huge focus is put on the drawing depicting the Yellow Rabbit holding hands with the MCI kids. However as John/Fuhnaff has pointed out in his recent video, the drawing's depiction of the blonde-haired Golden Freddy kid looks to have originally been a drawing of a _different kid_ wearing a *Blue Shirt* and *Red Pants* with the face of the Golden Freddy kid simply cut out and glued on over top. If this kid is supposed to be a representation of CC like JohnFuhnaff speculates than it’s incredibly wild that *_directly_* to the left of this kid there's another drawing seen in clear view of the camera throughout the film, and it's a drawing of a kid wearing the same *_Blue Shirt_* and *_Red Pants_* with a name prominently written above him. *_DAVID_* With how heavily involved Scott was in the development of the movie and with how specific he is about trying not to mislead people in the wrong direction I _cannot_ imagine that he would have let such a specific name be shown so prominently in frame throughout the movie (and directly next to a mysterious matching kid no less) if it wasn't intentionally put there for a reason.
Honestly the top names in the 1980s thing alone is an incredibly compelling piece of evidence. It's not concrete by any means but it makes so much sense. Say what you will about scott, but you can cleary see that often he just decided things on a whim without considering the wider conclusions of that decision. It is so easy to picture him googling names for the afton children and just picking some from a top 10 list.
While most of this feels spot on, as somebody with some experience in film production, I suspect it's far more likely to be due to some behind the scenes thing regarding the Golden Freddy kid's actor, be it a last minute recast or even the artist mistakenly using the wrong hair color because of how seamless it is. After all, it's clear they made efforts to disguise it with the blue scribbles all lining up. Film is a very visual medium so if a filmmaker were trying to get the audience to notice something like that, it almost certainly would have been far more obvious
Not a bad theory! Like you mentioned, it's been around for a while now and I have heard it before so I'm not necessarily convinced for the same reasons I wasn't back then. Not only do I think "I'm scared" linking to "Do you have dreams?" is quite a reach, but I've thought for quite a while now that the proposal of "I can hear sounds" connecting to "Does he still talk to you?" for the original Evan code is also a stretch. Still by no means a bad idea, I just personally doubt it.
Although, we have to remember that every answered question is in a page with bloodstains, which total 4 (so it has to be a 4 letter name), and it really fits the entire thing of reflection the book repeats so much.
I LOVE this theory!!! And especially the evidence point of “David” being written on the child’s drawing in the movie. I also think that 39 being just a starting point of “hey look at these numbers” makes a lot of sense too. ESPECIALLY with there being TWO page 39s! That’s something that a lot of people could easily miss. Awesome theory video!!!!!
THIS IS INSANE!!!! Best theory I have heard in a while man. I am a small RUclipsr And I have a video coming out with a friend (NaiFarang) and we think that we have solved the blob and what it means for the books. Can't wait to see more of this. I'm Subscribing!!
I think this is right. It's the simplest solution that actually makes sense. Maybe some of the questions and answers are a stretch, but then again, there are a lot of stretches in fnaf.
my favorite fnaf character Evan/Garrett/Cassidy/Dave/Whateveratthispoint Afton 🤣🤣 but in all seriousness great theory, might start calling him dave from now on, although i personally think garrett fits him the most
Geez. For some reason it's really hard for me to accept that we finally have a name, but there's literally nothing to refute this I don't think. So yeah, really seems like you cracked it!! This is a really great find, man!
I absolutely love this theory. I legit cannot think of something extremely solid to disprove it. I'm personally of the belief that his name is probably "David Afton" with "Dave" being his nickname. It parallels his brother Michael using his nickname "Mike" when signing the logbook. Plus all the points you made about the meaning of the name "David" and it's usage rates also support this conclusion. Overall, fantastic job! You knocked it out of the park.
I really like these theories, especially the tally marks with 7 groups of 5 hunting to looking into the name of the 5th missing kid (who had a 7 letter long name) and Dave seems a lot more plausible, with Dave being a name used previously in the franchise whilst Evan isn't, we know Scott likes to re-use names...
the most convincing evidence for me was when u pointed out how dave was the only name shown in all those kid drawings in the movie. love this theory cant wait to see peoples thoughts on it
EDIT: THIS IS NOW A GAME THEORY, FUHNAFF, ID'S FANTASY, AND RYETOAST *APPROVED* THEORY LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :)))
Okay y'all I agree, I deserve to be bullied for that pronunciation of alias... it was late in the night when I recorded this okay LEAVE ME ALONE
Also even though it's not a big point in this video or anything, yes I realized after this that Charlie's death happens at Fredbear's so the "everything went wrong" is likely that, however I still theorise the bite happened there since it's a parallel timeline so the bite MAY still carry over anyways, as I think the "timeline splitting moment" was Henry deciding to recreate Charlie as a robot, which he doesn't do in the games - that being what turns it into a new timeline. Just my 2 cents on that though and sorry for the mistake! :P
This is a big one... so SUBSCRIBE! What do you think about all of this - did I solve it? Let me know your thoughts! Remember this is just a theory.
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it's only been a single hour but thank you all for the kind comments, I really appreciate it and will get around to replying in the morning! But also massive thank you to everyone who DISAGREES actually being nice and constructive about it instead of just being rude haha - that was the one thing I was worried about so :') Hope you all enjoy and I'll see you soon! :D
Personally, based on what you've laid out, I think you solved it. Cause your solution addresses people's issues with the 4th letter and how the name is meant to be spelled, using not so much speculation and moreso evidence from the book itself. Also the mirror that should have been more important, yet kept getting glossed over a lot, has relevance and more meaning now. It always kinda felt to me like we were supposed to get a name reveal from it but from what I saw, no one really addressed it or had a satisfying answer
So personally, long story short, yea. I think you did a great job with some pretty solid evidence. I hope this gets around more so others can discuss to see where this goes as a Fandom
Sorry this was long winded
Bro cooked
I HAVE A THEORY WITH BARELY ANY SUPPORT, PHONE GUY IS CHICA CHILD FROM THE BITE OF 83 CHICA CHILD CALLS HIS FRIEND TO HELP WITH THE NIGHTS AT HIS JOB TO GET OVER HIS TRAMA AND CHICA CHILD MOST LIKELY DIES FROM A BITE, I SERIOUSLY CAME UP WITH THIS OUT OF NO WHERE
i got a theory the 7 times 5 and then add the one four could be how many children have been killed altogether
I like your solution better. This solution feels like a bit of a stretch tbh (relative to the "simpler" puzzle solutions throughout the rest of the book), what with 5 representing 5 children and 4 representing 4 letters, it's not exactly an intuitive connection. The same can be said about 7 and 1. I honestly can't see Scott putting that in the book with the intention of us putting that together.
Regardless of whether or not your solution for the tallies is exactly correct, it's hard for me to believe that the tallies are anything other than counting up to a total. Firstly, they are tally marks, that's literally all they do, they tally. Secondly, tallies of 5 are ALWAYS grouped together, never independent from each other. It just makes intuitive sense that the tally of 4 indicates the end of the sequence of tallies.
Anyways, that's my two cents. Great vid!
Evad = Dave
Happiest Day minigame = Bite of 83 scene flipped
That is flipping crazy.
Catch you on the FLIPside
my last day would probably be my best day because of this fnaf lore
@@BeccaMilllsdsaf?
I love you for this
david and michael, both biblical names, sounds like something scott would do
And Elizabeth
he IS christian after all.
@@homicidalteddybear And (while not Aftons) Gabriel and Andrew.
what if dave was crazy?
he would then be Crazy Dave?
@@hatster401 yup. 100% agree.
This makes so much sense. Dave/David also mirrors Mike/Michael so well from a parent’s naming logic.
LMAO REAL
Dave was the name William used in Silver Eyes when he was guarding the construction site of the mall around Freddy’s…
@@gabriellockwood2780 Indeed!
Young kids often use abbreviations for their names, and David never grew up, so he became stuck as Dave. Poor kid.
And Elizabeth/Beth
It kinda fits, "Michael, David and Elizabeth" it sounds perfect together
The tally marks mean the number of letters each name has cassidy has 7 letters and david has 5
"7 sets of the 5 tallies"
16:23
@@felipemavarez4873wait idk how these replies have anything to do with the comment but that makes sense
@@felipemavarez4873or since the last set of tallies unaccounted for is only 4 tallies, and Dave has 4 letters
Both dual process theory and this one has been making me go “Maybe the entire community should take a step back, forget everything we think we know, and solve everything again from the ground up one game at a time and see what we come up with
No, at this point Steel Wool is probably building off of incorrect theories, and their first game actually suggested everything before is potentially retconned anyway.
@@TMS-Oddbot This could be very true. Which is why it wouldn’t hurt to do this either way.
@@TMS-Oddbot saying Steel Wool is "building off of incorrect theories" is a little weird, though. I thought people had said that Scott oversaw the project? I think it's better to think of it as a sort of "reboot" of the story that Scott and SW are using to take the games in a different direction.
The story of the Aftons is done with UCN, William is stuck in purgatory and the spirits (most of them anyway depending on how you take the ending or whatever with Cassidy/vengeful spirit) are free. That's closed.
The mostly supernatural/fantasy aspect of it with spirits haunting machines seems to be mostly over, and now they're being taken on a more modern path with AI and everything else. It looks like the same universe, but a different continuity. That's how I take it anyway.
I've been saying this for years.
Sire Squawks does something similar to that degree, going back, and discussing details from previous games, and their possible connections to later titles, such as the cases for and against Molten MCI, who possessed the Logbook, etc.
Allow me to go fully weird with it for a sec:
William - "Strong-willed", literally a man whose will to live is so strong he's immortal.
Michael - "God is unparalleled/ *who resembles God?* (Retorical question)", a man who looks *'just like his father'* .
David - "Beloved", the son William watched the closest, who he promised to put back together. Whose death was the impetus to his descent into madness.
Elizabeth - "My God is an oath.", the daughter who broke an oath to her father and died for it, and attempts to reclaim her loyalty even in the afterlife.
Oh that works so well and it’s a very Scott thing to do
yeaaaah, i believe this theory MUST BE mentioned since all Scott's old games are done with religious teachings and direct religious references.
THATS SOUNDS LIKE ITS ALL LIKE A FAMILY NAME THING I THINK MAYBE THE MOTHER HAVE ALSO A NAME SIMILAR TO THAT
IN MY FAMILU FOR EXAMPLE THEY DO SOMETHING A BIT EASIER TO SPOT
MY FATHERS FAMILY ALL HAVE NAMES THAT START WITH E (IM ENMA AND MY BROTHERS ERNEST AND EMIR)
MY MOTHERS FAMILY MOST HAVE NAMES ENDING WITH "EL"
(ANGEL NAMES)
LIKE RAFAEL, ISRAEL, URIEL AND MY THIRD NAME ISABEL
AND MY SISTERS AND ME HAVE "ANIA" NAMES, IM DANIA, AND MY SISTERS ARE TANIA AND VANYA
SO I THINK FOR WILLIAM FAMILY THE NAMES MEANINGS MAY BE SOMETHING BIBLICAL AND WITH A MEANING ON THE ACTUAL STORY
ALSO I LIKE THAT ELIZABETH AND ISABEL HAVE THE SAME MEANING :3
(IM ALMOST NAMED LIKE BABY)
omg theyre all bible names
Omg this is so good! Yes this has got to be it
16:37 I can see Scott watching Theory videos on the logbook and banging his head on his desk until today.
honestly don't know why he hasn't already said something about it yet it's been 6 damn years 😭
I feel like VIP was the biggest hint he could give.
@@HyperDroidLike, Imagine the secret ending for SOTM being Afton’s POV of the Bite of 93. And he screams the crying child’s name (and how he reacts to Micheal’s role in what he just did). Not only could it 100% confirm his name, but also give us some insight to the Afton family relationship.
@@HyperDroid I think he was just waiting for this day!
@@HyperDroid It's kind of hinted at in the FNAF movie interviews, he just prefers to use later entries to push fans in the right direction and fill in blanks that they're missing 🤔
This makes so much sense! I love how it’d be reversed because of the mirror!
I would never think of that
Ok
That mirror bugged me real bad... I never got my hands on a copy of the logbook though, so I couldn't see its context. This seems pretty solid to me
I kid you not I thought of that but I thought it was so obvious I didn't mention it though I'm almost certain I wouldn't have though of how to get the evad
@@theocdgamer7559 same, i thought they already thought about it
I love how he went on a whole like 1 minute segment about EVAD when I looked at it and just said "oh, dave. nice"
Literally. But i think that pointing out the mirror part is important because it wouldn't make sense otherwise that scott would give a reversed answer for this alone.
me too
Makes sense. Neither Evan nor Garret are British names. Dave on the other hand- Yeah, I hear it everywhere. Every other guy is named Dave here. Why would William name his kid anything other than a British name?
Yeah that’s what makes the most logical sense to me even though I find William being English one of the most frustrating things in the franchise lol
as a british person, i 100% agree. i didnt even notice that
@@NJH01and why is that?
All we need is Scott to comment on a single video with, "you're right"
he will never do this unfortunately though, even if someone solved the entire story and timeline 1:1
@@HyperDroid true
@@HyperDroidI still think we will get a post mortem book of the entire timeline with all the characters names, deaths, year of birth and death, etc.
@@HyperDroidsorry if this video was already made or if this is a bad request, but I do really need a video explaining all the lore so I can catch up (I took a break in 2020 I think then came back in 2022 I’m never doing that again) so I really need a video with lore that was confirmed (theories can be added) but yeah I just need to get back to understanding things😭
@@eri.-.4-a GIBI TIMEINE
I’d say Dave is a lot more compelling of an answer than Evan for his name especially because of existence of the name in the franchise apart from the puzzle
And, given the era, "Dave's not here, man" is just fitting
Dave being Afton’s fake name in the Silver Eyes sold it for me fr
100% agree with you. Even if the ‘n’ made sense, I still feel like David would have fit in better.
yeah Dave just seems to fit with the naming convention
We also have had characters called Evan in the franchise
Matpat is gonna dropkick his computer over this LMFAO
Update: HE DROPKICKED HIS BOOK. I AM PRACTICALLY A FORTUNE TELLER! HOLY HECK!
Good thing he retired
He already lost it with the dual process theory, and now this XD
I'm so hoping he reacts to this
@Ilikewooper hes not retired…he still owns gtlive i think and visits gtheory so often
@@eleanor3445apparently he officially leaves gtlive in october or something (according to other fans.. I’ve been too busy to watch lives if they’ve been mentioned on there)
Dave actually makes sense, considering afton family members names
They got pretty formal names
William
Micheal
Elizabeth
And now David
I think that would make sense
Very British names
🇬🇧☕
This theory is made even stronger by the fact that the "reflection" passages seem to line up with at least two questions that Cassidy asked. Reflect on your happiest day - the party was for you. Reflect on your dreams - do you still have dreams. One also asked about imaginary friends, could be linked to seeing/hearing?
i knew it! astralspiff was the crying child all along
Lmao
Spigg really was the key to fnaf
The spiff is astraling
We need to get him to watch this 😂
Wait, wait, it's just as likely to be David Baron, too. Although either way, _does that mean that they've been CANADIAN this entire time, not British??????_ :P
Dude you have convinced me. This feels right, and the idea of William using his sons name is just perfect for his character and the line of "I will put you back together"
This is the biggest stretch, but reminding me of the “put back together” line just made me think of one of the most famous sculptures in the world: the David. Which in turn makes sense because ultimately, the CC isn’t much more than a project to William on one level (much like an art piece), but represents something far greater when put in the context of remnant experiments (like how the David was a piece from Florence meant to intimidate those in power in Rome). It’s a bit early, so I’m not sure if I’m articulating this well, but long story short, Dave scratches the art history itch when taking the CC as a symbol for William’s ambitions.
@@serenepastelOOO I like this idea
@@serenepastel"the" shouldn't be used in front of names and proper nouns, for future reference
How dare willy not only steal his dead kids name, but make him sound like a 40 year old man :V
Well, call him David.
Well, Dave whould be a 10-12 year old in 1983, this makes him 50+ today. Dave wasn't such a weird name to give your kid back in the 70's and 80's.
To be fair, by the time, if he lived to modern times, would be around 40/50
look naming children is hard okay, William is already uncreative as is (Henry was always the genius between them so)
LOL
Dave/David Afton being the Crying Child's name is probably the most satisfying answer we can get, so that'll be part of my personal headcanon now
0:39 A GAME THEORY
Thanks for watching
XD
It's in the contract XD
A possible meta reason for why he used 39 in the first place, might be because that’s the crying child’s age now - scratching tally marks like the stereotypical prisoner, especially given how important ‘birthdays’ are to the character. This book was published in 2017, which minus 39 gives you 1978, the bite was in 1983, making him five years old (which feels about right).
I appreciate that this is in keeping with "the party was for you" in that CC is stuck on his birthday.
And the crying child's birthday is presumably in the summer! Scott Cawthon was also born in 1978, June 4th specifically, I think it would be honestly hilarious if he made the crying child's birthday the exact same as his own
@@ghostybunn yo thats crazy
Not at all, seem more like seven or eight
Oooooh ngl that theory is very good!!
If these theories are true (which I honestly fully believe), I bet Scott was sitting in complete disbelief at how complicated everyone was making a puzzle whose solution was simply “39 = 39”
hahaha honestly it'll be so funny if it's truly that simple
right when i saw the 39 = 39 you wrote, i though 3x3 and 9+9 which is 9 and 18, then i got 198, so then i thought "well theres 7 tallies" so 1987. idk why i thought of that by just 39 = 39 lol
@@TotallyNotAnAltAccountForMusicYou did ALL that?!
@@TotallyNotAnAltAccountForMusic The brains of fnaf fans need to be studied because how are we ALL hard wired to instinctively over complicate things
@@carsonphillips8008confirmation bias
David meaning “beloved” also might refer to and hint at David being William’s favorite child as, if you believe he was the very first to die, David would be the catalyst to William’s murder spree. A child so “beloved” by his father his death drove William to insanity.
Also even if the name Dave Miller may not be William’s canon alias when he works as a night guard in the games, the fact that the name Dave is associated (or should I say RELATED) with William Afton at all could mean something.
No, it is true that Elizabeth is the favorite
@@axisaxolotl5875 Far from it, in _any_ continuity William seems to overlook or underappreciate Elizabeth and he sees Michael more as a tool, "David" would naturally be his favorite.
In the books, Elizabeth is a tool Afton uses for his own gain, in the games he completely overlooks her, in the movie she either doesn't exist or is Vanessa, who he still mistreats.
Why hello there, old sport
Even in the interview Scott did for the 10th anniversary that he has always been bad with names so him repeating David/Dave throughout the books and games does add up too, and the fact that it’s been “solved” years ago. Great video 🖤
More Proof of crying child's name being Dave in Security Breach:
there has been significance of the name Dave/David which either hints or parallels at the theory that crying child's name is Dave. In Security breach in the when you go to upgrade your entry ticket to get into the pizzeria there is a duffel bag and the note is titled "HI DAVE" in all caps almost hinting at significance even though the message just says:
"CUSTOMER COMPLAINT - You should fire Dave. He sucks.". It really does feel like Scott Cawthon has been rubbing it in our faces the whole time. Anyways just felt like another parallel that is trying to hint us in the right direction.
Honestly, this makes perfect sense! The Afton kids being David, Michael and Elizabeth (super common names especially in the late 70's) works so well.
I fee like Scot was trolling with us in VIP by using Ike and Devan as brothers. It’s like he combined cc’s actual name and the name everyone was calling him. Dave + Evan = Devon
wait that's so true haha
It should be noted that Ike is the younger brother. Maybe Mike was brought back to life and Dave ended up dying at Freddy’s at some point.
💀
Ike for Mike and Devan for Dave...
@@abdullahemek2488 But with their age reversed.
While I can understand the one answer to cassidy's not being super direct I'm missing how its a dead stop for some of you. The reflect thing is so incredibly rock solid beyond a shadow of a doubt...what more could you want? This is a phenomenal theory. Can't wait to see Matpats reaction. The Foxy grid being solved while he is still active enough to see it and respond is such a perfect thing for the last phase of Matpat, so thank you Hyper Droid.
thank you so much, this really means a lot! :))
I agree, the reflect thing is really what got me. Because outside of it leading to an answer to something, it is WAY out of place in not only the franchise (reflection or self reflection isn’t a major theme) and for the book- why would a security guards log book be pushing self reflecting, or using the WORD reflect when plenty of other words would have fit as well. As a writer one of the first things I do when editing is to check for words I just overused the hell out of… then I go back and find synonyms for them so you don’t read the same word every half a page- if this wasn’t intentional I don’t think we’d be seeing it SO FUCKING MUCH in the book.
Honestly I think the logbook puzzle just wasn’t super amazingly thought out by Scott or whoever else was involved with it lol. The fact that it took this long is kind of a testament to that
0:11 "Cryin' Childe"
Australians in fnaf be like
cryin' ed sheeran
Thats the real CC lmfao
Crying child is crazy Dave from plants vs zombies
LOL
Dave sounds like it'd make sense. They all have names that can be shortened...
Michael = Mike
David = Dave
William = Will/Bill
That being said, nobody says 'Mike Afton' or 'Will Afton,' so I will def be calling him 'David Afton'
Elizabeth = Ellie/Elle/Ella/Belle/Bella/Eliza/Elise/Liza/Lisa/Beth....
@@stackingspaghettisauce4271
Lizzy
@@stackingspaghettisauce4271Good god 💀😭
That's why I prefer Evan Afton. It just rings off the tongue better then Dave Afton
>nobody says 'Mike Afton'
ðe name page:
I think this is a great find cause I always found it weird that the mirror didnt seem to come into play as much as it should have. But this makes so much sense
EXACTLY, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE MOST IMPORTANT PAGE IN THE WHOLE LOGBOOK - ofc it means something!
I’m absolutely in love with this theory. William having Michael, David, and Elizabeth, all Biblical names as others have pointed out, seems very fitting for the creator of this series. I love that you used the mirror and I can’t believe how close the community was! All this time. Imagine if that final question and answer had been slightly more clear in their relation to one another. Makes you wonder if a small tweak could’ve helped the community find this solution faster.
7:38 dave miller is cannon
“ITS JUST A THEORY”
This might be the new game theory :-:
This theory is awesome! The only drawback is that the answers that the Crying Child gives to Cassidy's questions aren't always answers, but rather statements. The infuriating part of finding a four letter name is that it's a lot easier to stumble into unintended solutions. Like, the name Cassidy is a whopping 7 letters, and the method to finding it is so deliberate that it could never happen on accident. If CC's name were actually something along the lines of Garrett, it would be so much easier to confirm...
So true. There are like hundreds of four letter names
It took 3 years to find the crying child's name only to be forgotten. And you brought it back to the light. You sir deserve my respect.
Huh I've wondering about how lore fans manage to get that name at the time but the foundation of that theory was flimsy at best. They just found that name like they put two pieces of a puzzle while missing the rest of the package so most of us discarded the idea.
I’VE ALSO BEEN THINKING THIS! Ever since I heard that ‘Evad’ was the foxy grid, I’ve always been like “uhh just put it backwards, it’s just Dave” I’M SO GLAD I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT OF THIS!!!
To be honest, when I saw the thumbnail of this video my mind just went "chicka chicka Slim Shady"
I 100% believe that the Tally-marks are the way of Scott guiding us to Cassidy's name. He 100% thought that we were gonna be stuck at Cassidy's name instead of Dave's. I BET that Scott was/is laughing at us all this time for not finding the easier name first.
Good Job!! You cooked with this theory!!!!
Well that’s actually a nice theory. The crying child has so many names that this just feels like another one added on to the pile.
I’m not fully sold until his name is confirmed definitively at this point.
Definitely an interesting theory. I think there's another theory that states that crying child's name is Cassidy. In fact, I think newer material sort of points to the crying child being the 5th MCI victim. Yet I have yet to play the games, read the books, or watch the movie it seems interesting that the Cassidy victim theory is gaining traction regardless.
@@zenvariety9383 It's literally impossible for BV to be the 5th MCI victim. BV dies after having his head crushed by Fredbear, while the 5 MCI victims are killed by William and stuffed into the animatronic suits, possibly at a separate location entirely. Cassidy is the 5th MCI victim, not BV. (Note: BV is short for Bite Victim)
@@fnaffoxy1987well CC didn’t immediately die but went into a coma and william and michael talked to him during the ending of fnaf 4, now I don’t believe he was one of the five, but he didn’t immediately possess fredbear, so something had to happen for him to possess fredbear.
NOTHING IS CONFIRMED IM THIS FRANCHISE LMAO HOW ARE YALL NOT GETTING THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS
fair enough!
This makes so much more sense the way you got Dave than how other people got Evan. It’s more straightforward, you’ve convinced me, he’s called Dave to me now
Best solution I’ve ever seen. Every other solution requires some weird logic breaks to get an answer. This feels like it was actually intended and lines up for several reasons
If reflect is only mentioned four times it could have led to the four questions
Self Reflection-> look in the mirror-> i cant see
Reflect on what youre grateful for->toy friends->i can hear sounds (a stretch)
Reflect on your happiest day->party->it was for me
Reflect on the meaning of your dreams->nightmares-> im scared
Just saying it might be another skipped step 🎉😅
My girlfriend and I were just watching this again, when we came to the "TYFWA" solution that came up nothing. She instantly said, "To you from, William Afton"... I was just sat jaw agape for a bit. But it just doesn't work does it? I'm impressed she just spun round and said that outta nowhere though! She's not a fan per say, but we enjoy the videos! Clearly more than I appreciated.
This is still one of the most concrete theories this series has ever seen. Massive well done again!
WOAH
Honestly this is probably the best I've seen in terms of figuring out the solution so I will happily adopt "Dave" as crying child's name in the absence of anything to counter this. Like I'm genuinely tired of awkwardly referring to a fictional character by his behavioural tendencies + noun for a sub adult human lmao
Maybe his name is the fnaf we made along the way
Overall I think this is solid! Not 100% convinced, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for any clues that point to this.
Also, thanks for calling out that William using CC's name would be basically desecration and an indicator he's an awful father, cause you know some fans would be like "He's honoring his beloved son! What a loving dad!'
How is it a desecration of Dave is crying child's name? I'm genuinely curious.
(Btw,I do think that William is a POS parent and person in general,not defending Afton in any way. I just don't understand why na!omg himself Dave after his son is bad)
@@Dav458I think (this is just me interpreting) that with who William Afton is, and the actions he takes with all his children, it shows a sinister pattern.
Like, normally if your child died and you renamed yourself to them that could be sweet? But even then I doubt a parent who lost a child wants to be reminded at every interaction and would go out of their way to. Especially themselves. But there is some nuance in that. I’ve never lost a child so I wouldn’t know.
But William has neglected his children, used them, got them hurt, manipulated them, and even if he THINKS he cares for them, his actions are despicable. So we know if he did pick a new alias, even if it was out of “love” it was for all the wrong reasons. And really, he’s tainting his child’s name as he goes on to commit heinous acts. Thats just my interpretation though, you’re free to feel differently!
How does it mean he didn’t care for his kids. I’m not defending there are so many other reasons he’s a shitty father but I don’t see how this would be one
precisely!
@@EmotianalBrat Because (in my opinion) it would indirectly show that William doesn’t care at all. He is fine using his dead child’s name to get away with a crime, when he could pick any other name, to absolve himself of any of the consequences his actions caused. The best thing to honor the child would be his abusive dad turning himself in and never harming another child. But that’s not what happens, obviously. Like I said, it could be out of love from his eyes, but really it shows how little he really cares. Or how warped his mind is that he thinks using his dead child’s name, is normal and a loving thing.
Or maybe he did it to remind himself of his goals to bring his son back and torture himself. Or something.
YOU GOT MATPAT TO DROPKICK THE LOGBOOK IN AGREEMENT! Well done!
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Currently on a little FNAF revisit, and I have to say your theory holds water. I’m impressed. This was a really interesting perspective, especially pointing out the use of “reflect” in the pages with Cassidy’s questions.
WILLIAM USED HIS DEAD SONS NAME AS A COVER?!
Sounds like something he would do.
And also remember Michael used the name of the dead foxy kid to get hired at the fnaf 2 location so using a dead kid's name to get hired at a pizza place in fnaf isn't new
@@medhathefni9485 yeah I have a theory that he's also Jeremy but let's just stick to one controversial idea at a time.
@@daltonbell5907why would he work overtime with a different name that’s stupid
Just use one
@@daltonbell5907no we're 100% sure that Jeremy is Bonnie Bully/Cassie's Dad there is a lot of evidence that points to it
Everyone @ MatPat so he reacts to this on GT Live before he leaves the channel in October
HE IS!?!?
How would you even do that?
he told it on a gtlive episode.
@@Mattis06 He said how to @ him? Which live was that? Sorry I really don't know how that works with RUclips
@@SpectreBagels sorry i @ed the wrong person
MATPAT NEEDS TO REACT TO THIS OMG. THANK YOU HYPER DROID FOR SOLVING IT AND SHARING YOUR RESULTS
The only other option I could think of for what the tallies are for is all the deaths/murders with the four being Charlie, Elizabeth, Dave, and an unknown and the 7 groups of 5 being everytime William went on a killing spree in a Freddy's location, but it's something I made up with no evidence to support it and a complete shot in the dark
I don't know if someone has pointed this before (there are too many comments) but something popped in my mind. Right in this moment [9:40 - 9:50] he mentions that Mike also uses the name of someone that's also dead, Fritz, one of the missing childs, but, isn't it Fritz also the kid that (assumed) is the one possesing Foxy? Foxy as the same animatronic mask Mike wore in his teenage years.
I don't think is causality that Mike, whose one of his biggest symbols is Foxy, ended using the name of the only child that ended possesing the same animatronic
That is too coincidental not to be intentional.
I actually really enjoy this idea, and William using his dead son’s name as his alias seems really in character for him
12:37 Michael is on round 39 of cod zombies 👀
I accept his name is Dave, but im still calling him the crying child.
came from gtlive's reaction, brother, if you keep up this critical yet simple level of theorising, I'm here to stay (ditching game theory as my source for "close to definitive proof"), for now tho, take my watch time and like, bc you deserve it 150%, good fucking shit man
CC when you figure out his name: Why Hello There, Old Sport
It could be that the Withered/Toy Chica page could confirm either that Susie was 100% the first victim or the Toys and Withereds share souls, and the Jeremy page could confirm that he's the 87 bite victim.
bro you COOKED with this one. I remember in a recent video I saw about fnaf saying the mirror means something. Brilliant work.
Honestly I actually believe this 100%
Like, the technique is consistent, and makes sense, what else do we want?
Evan always had that bittersweet feel, but this one is really logic
Also how come you're the first one? That's really surprising
Will I be using it..? Not really. He has so many names now (Dave, Evan, Chris, Norman...) that I feel like using them will only create more confusion. Everyone understands CC (or BV for the ones who prefer this one), and it gets straight to the point.
Still, I believe in Dave. Evan is used so much it has tattoed itself in my brain, I'll just have to get used to Dave lol (And I don't blame people for using Evan, it's a pretty name)
what does BV stand for actually? First time i've heard of someone calling him that
@@pigeon-7632 it stands for Bite Victim. Is not thaat popular as CC but i've seen it quite a lot
@@pigeon-7632 Bite Victim.
@@pigeon-7632 Bite Victim = BV
Ive never heard Norman for him, where'd that come from?
The name Dave will either be the final answer to this mystery,
or it will just join the list of popular but unconfirmed names that fans use for the Crying Child
like Evan and Chris :/
Kenny was one too, you had to be in the trenches to remember that one 😭
Evan is better than David
Did Chris ever have a theory reason for being a name? I just remember people using it because it started with a C tbh
@@bupboi6412 Nah, it never had a theory behind it, it was just a nickname given to him by fans that became too popular
@@bupboi6412
From what I remember, it was created not too long after Fnaf 4 was released.
It originated from that famous audio clip that is used in many fan animations of the Bite from Fnaf 4. It’s the same audio where Michael/Foxy Bro was called Terrence.
Both of these names are completely fan made and have no evidence of being cannon.
I know this won't be it, but ... David Cassidy, really?
And since I'm feeling saucy: David Cassidy famously sang Any Dream Will Do in... ...1983.
Looks up that David Cassidy took over the role of Joseph in the musical Joseph and his Amazing technicolour dreamcoat in 1983. Then (since I did the musical as a kid and the lyrics have been cemented into by brain) realises I know what you're feeling saucy about!
'I wore my coat, with golden lining...'
a flash of drums a crash of light'
my golden coat flew out of sight.'
Okay you've just discovered the icing on the cake we didn't know we needed to say not only is it David and Cassidy BUT has to be where he got the names for the two spirits he chose to inhabit Golden Freddy. (edit) to clarify I mean the names for the children who would die to become the spirits inhabiting Golden Freddy.)
“What kind of serial killers name would be Dave?”
The real question should be what kind of serial killers son name would be Dave?
Yeah, you convinced me. It feels weird to call a little kid "Dave", but it was the '80's. All the middle aged Daves had to come from somewhere
As soon as "EVAD" popped up, I was like "WAIT--" That makes so much sense I'm mad about it. Still gonna use Garrett for personal fanworks bc I've already invested too much time in it, but this is too logical not to be canon.
Also the name Fritz (Like father, like son) can be applied to the fact that Mike could go on the orders of the Father to the position of a security guard with the name that his father came up with for him
Dude, I can't believe someone finally solved it. Congratulations. Your name shall be sung in the halls of Valhalla.
Easily the best solution I’ve seen to the question of the Crying Child’s name. Ticks all the boxes.
I don’t know if it is actually *the* answer, but it’s the first time I’ve seen someone solve it where it at least feels like *an* answer, rather than some duct tape and flex seal slapped on a plot hole with a healthy dose of “well, if you squint at it really hard, in the dark…”
This actually settles something that's irked me for the longest time, the afton family is British, or at least has British toned names, William, Micheal, Elizabeth. So for crying child to have a name like Evan couldn't make sense, even dave irks me a little but dave can be short term for David. Which would also fit
no yeah 100%! dave as short for david is a very british name. saint david is literally the patron saint of wales! i'm not sure you could get much more 70s/80s british tbh... they're all finally british names :')
Afton Afton is cannon
Kaboom.
Kaboom.
Kaboom.
Kaboom.
Kapow.
Not the most important detail you mentioned, but I think what really sold me on it was when said that David means "beloved". I think your methodology is sound enough, but maybe there's a detail I'm missing from lack of intimate use of the Survival Logbook. I'm probably not going to use the name until we see more of a consensus form, but as for this being proof, you've got me sold.
I remember this being pushed back rather aggressively a few years ago because MatPat dismissed it as too convoluted without even checking xD Nice to see the solution back. Honestly, it's the best take I've seen and the name fits totally with the bible-thing that Scott has going on. Chears man - and congrats on solving it on your own! That's amazing!
I legit paused at 7:10 and yelled "holy shit!" when I had the realization about the mirror.
Same
10:06
You’ve pretty much convinced me on the Crying Child’s name. That being said, I do think it’d be incredibly dumb on Scott’s part if he made another character who has the same name, is the young son of a Fazbear roboticist, is heavily associated with a plush toy, is tragically killed in the early 80s, and whose death is important to the story and leads to major supernatural phenomena as a “narrative parallel” within the _exact same timeline._ If that story truly is supposed to take place in the main continuity then that’s a pretty asinine creative decision.
I'm so glad someone else has come to this conclusion!! I remembered looking at the original Evan Solution when it was first found and seeing something along the lines of "I got EVAD first, but obviously that's not a name so I kept looking" in the post, and thinking "But... That's Dave backwards. Dave Miller? He's using his son's name? Is no one acknowledging this?" So honestly, this is super vindicating for me, and I'm glad you've found actual solid evidence that clicks for it!!
NGL, I think this is probably the best answer we have unless something comes out later to correct us. I like it as it adds significance to William's choice of alias and the name's meaning fitting really well considering people think he died first and was the catalyst for William to begin killing people.
Wasn’t he tho…..?
Knowing Scott's whole thing with Christian movies Name two of the main characters names from the Bible makes sense
Anytime I see really good solution videos that aren't game theory, I have mental maniacal laughter because matpat "retired" on the worst year ever lol.
When you brought up the kid in the “Tales From the Pizzaplex” story and his parellels with CC, I immediately said “It has to be”.
*CC’s name is Dave Afton.*
Honestly not a bad theory. Yeah, the response of "I'm scared" to "Do you have dreams?" is a stretch just like the response to "Does he still talk to you?" being "I can hear sounds" which can also be a response to "Is this song familiar to you?" but (8:36) doesn't have a blood stain so I guess it works out. Overall though, Dave is more acceptable than Evan to me, and it's a nick name too like for Mike --> Micheal. And I also really like the reflection that you have to do in the mirror to get the name, that I feel is more concrete and something that the book hints at, with the word reflect repeated over and over as well as a mirror being shown.
Side Note (people probably already made the connection): (7:57) I noticed that the words replaced by CC are also related to him: Fulfillment, Health, Purpose, and Existential Dread. I tried connecting them to the replaced words and here's what I got.
I can't see --> Fulfillment - he's in the darkness, like he's missing something, maybe his soul, his memories, and or even waiting for a promise he doesn't remember
I can hear sounds --> Health - possibly the sounds of the hospital equipment and his brother's and/or Puppet's or Fredbear-plush's faint words in his final moments
I'm scared --> Purpose - he doesn't know who he is, what he's doing here, and why the one of the only things he can remember are the nightmares he's had
It was for me --> Existential Dread - possibly referring to the only memories he can recall of his birthday and how it felt
The page with "Is this song familiar to you?" has blood stains in the top right corner though.
@@cephlo4933 Oh your right, thanks for correcting me, I wonder what name that page number will give when reflected
We as a community are dumb. You got to be kidding me. Matpat read into every little bit of the games, but he didn't notice this?!?!?!?!??! What in the world is wrong with us?!
It all stems from over thinking and second-guessing ourselves
Damn, both 'Dave' and the tally marks supposed to be the START of the puzzle is extremely convincing.
I wonder if @Ryetoast will consider this to be a significant mention of 'David' in the franchise?
This theory is officially matpat theorist certified!! 🎉
I'm sold. Someone get this to Matpat stat. He'd be thrilled to see the Foxy grid be solved before he leaves
He already left?
@@EnvenApolohe's going to leave GTLive in October
@@CloudMouth27 WAIT WHAT? WHEN DID HE SAY THAT?
So this solution has been around for a bit and I’ve been a huge proponent for it so here’s hoping this video will bring more eyes on it! Here’s all the evidence I’ve collected for it currently:
- Dave/David fits perfectly within the pattern of characters (especially those connected to Crying Child) having and using both shortened and long versions of their names: Mike/Michael, Will/William (or Bill/William), and Charlie/Charlotte. (You could arguably also include Ness/Vanessa, Greg/Gregory, and Liz/Elizabeth, although "Liz" is never officially used for Elizabeth as far as I'm aware)
- In Tales from the Pizzaplex the primary character the Mimic "mimics" is a boy named David with _brown hair_ and _brown eyes_ who _carries around a plush everywhere he goes_ meanwhile in RUIN the primary character the Mimic "mimics" is Gregory, and I shouldn't need to go into all the numerous connections between him and the Crying Child like the bandaid on his left knee shared with the drawing of CC in the Character Encyclopedia or him taking a bite out of a yellow Freddy popsicle in SB for example. (Figuring out how two extremely similar kids named David realistically works under TalesGames is a job for someone who knows more about it than me but I don't doubt it can be done)
- Like you bring up, in The Silver Eyes William's fake security guard name (Dave Miller) also being the name of a dead kid is nearly identical to how (potentially) Michael's fake security guard name Fritz Smith is also the name of a dead kid, being Fritz the MCI victim. (On top of that there's also the possibility Jeremy Fitzgerald is a fake name shared with an MCI victim but that's a lot more up in the air currently)
- Searching "Top names of the 1980s" shows that _David_ was in the *Top 10* names right alongside _Michael_ and _Elizabeth_
- Remember how the primary evidence used for CC's name being Evan is that in the Frights story "The Real Jake" Jake's father is named Evan with a brother named Michael? Well the _only other named father character_ in the entire story is named *_Dave_* and even further he has *three kids* one of whom is friends with Jake and that kid's name is *_DAVEY_*
- In VIP the Interactive Novel our main characters are a pretty direct callback to Mike and CC being a young boy named Ike (who carried around a plushie everywhere and who's favorite ride is the Carousel) alongside his older brother Devon (who's annoyed at having to watch his younger brother to the point of physically abandoning him on his own). And if we take a closer look at those names we see that Ike is literally just Mike without the *M* and that _Devon_ is a perfect cross between the names _David_ and _Evan_ the names were just switched around between the two brothers cause naming the older brother "Ike" definitely would have been way too obvious.
- And for possibly the wildest piece of evidence, in the FNAF Movie a huge focus is put on the drawing depicting the Yellow Rabbit holding hands with the MCI kids. However as John/Fuhnaff has pointed out in his recent video, the drawing's depiction of the blonde-haired Golden Freddy kid looks to have originally been a drawing of a _different kid_ wearing a *Blue Shirt* and *Red Pants* with the face of the Golden Freddy kid simply cut out and glued on over top. If this kid is supposed to be a representation of CC like JohnFuhnaff speculates than it’s incredibly wild that *_directly_* to the left of this kid there's another drawing seen in clear view of the camera throughout the film, and it's a drawing of a kid wearing the same *_Blue Shirt_* and *_Red Pants_* with a name prominently written above him. *_DAVID_* With how heavily involved Scott was in the development of the movie and with how specific he is about trying not to mislead people in the wrong direction I _cannot_ imagine that he would have let such a specific name be shown so prominently in frame throughout the movie (and directly next to a mysterious matching kid no less) if it wasn't intentionally put there for a reason.
Honestly the top names in the 1980s thing alone is an incredibly compelling piece of evidence. It's not concrete by any means but it makes so much sense. Say what you will about scott, but you can cleary see that often he just decided things on a whim without considering the wider conclusions of that decision. It is so easy to picture him googling names for the afton children and just picking some from a top 10 list.
While most of this feels spot on, as somebody with some experience in film production, I suspect it's far more likely to be due to some behind the scenes thing regarding the Golden Freddy kid's actor, be it a last minute recast or even the artist mistakenly using the wrong hair color because of how seamless it is. After all, it's clear they made efforts to disguise it with the blue scribbles all lining up. Film is a very visual medium so if a filmmaker were trying to get the audience to notice something like that, it almost certainly would have been far more obvious
Not a bad theory! Like you mentioned, it's been around for a while now and I have heard it before so I'm not necessarily convinced for the same reasons I wasn't back then.
Not only do I think "I'm scared" linking to "Do you have dreams?" is quite a reach, but I've thought for quite a while now that the proposal of "I can hear sounds" connecting to "Does he still talk to you?" for the original Evan code is also a stretch.
Still by no means a bad idea, I just personally doubt it.
Hi mootie
Although, we have to remember that every answered question is in a page with bloodstains, which total 4 (so it has to be a 4 letter name), and it really fits the entire thing of reflection the book repeats so much.
completely fair pov and get where you're coming from, thanks for being constructive about disagreeing too! :D
I LOVE this theory!!! And especially the evidence point of “David” being written on the child’s drawing in the movie. I also think that 39 being just a starting point of “hey look at these numbers” makes a lot of sense too. ESPECIALLY with there being TWO page 39s! That’s something that a lot of people could easily miss. Awesome theory video!!!!!
THIS IS INSANE!!!! Best theory I have heard in a while man. I am a small RUclipsr And I have a video coming out with a friend (NaiFarang) and we think that we have solved the blob and what it means for the books. Can't wait to see more of this. I'm Subscribing!!
I think this is right. It's the simplest solution that actually makes sense. Maybe some of the questions and answers are a stretch, but then again, there are a lot of stretches in fnaf.
my favorite fnaf character Evan/Garrett/Cassidy/Dave/Whateveratthispoint Afton 🤣🤣
but in all seriousness great theory, might start calling him dave from now on, although i personally think garrett fits him the most
Cassidy Afton is my variant
Geez. For some reason it's really hard for me to accept that we finally have a name, but there's literally nothing to refute this I don't think. So yeah, really seems like you cracked it!! This is a really great find, man!
10:30 It's okay bro....I proud of you that you got everything of this by your own, no matter how many people found this before you.
I absolutely love this theory. I legit cannot think of something extremely solid to disprove it.
I'm personally of the belief that his name is probably "David Afton" with "Dave" being his nickname. It parallels his brother Michael using his nickname "Mike" when signing the logbook. Plus all the points you made about the meaning of the name "David" and it's usage rates also support this conclusion.
Overall, fantastic job! You knocked it out of the park.
THANK YOU
I really like these theories, especially the tally marks with 7 groups of 5 hunting to looking into the name of the 5th missing kid (who had a 7 letter long name)
and Dave seems a lot more plausible, with Dave being a name used previously in the franchise whilst Evan isn't, we know Scott likes to re-use names...
hinting* oops
the most convincing evidence for me was when u pointed out how dave was the only name shown in all those kid drawings in the movie. love this theory cant wait to see peoples thoughts on it
Fantastic work! Thank you kindly.
Also appreciate greatly you went out of your way to give credit to other theorists
the fnaf fandom can honestly solve the zodiac killer imo