To clarify the ruling at the end of game 1: - Yes, you can pass priority during a given phase when you have a mandatory effect you most resolve/apply in that phase. If you do this, the opponent can make an action or pass back. If they make an action, you procced with proper chain rules (or not if it's an action that doesn't start a chain) and then you return. If they pass back, NOW the turn player MUST perform an action (it can be the mandatory one or another appropriate action they can take here). This repeats until both players pass back to each other and there are NO mandatory actions left to be performed by either player that phase. So yes, gage did not need to immediately activate the effect of Lava Golem in the Standby Phase here. - If a victory condition is met while a chain link is resolving, it is not applied until that chain link has finished resolving. NOT the ENTIRE chain, just the chain LINK.
Reminder that OCG doesn't have these price issues, this is purely a TCG issue. TCG Konami since 2020 has worsened core sets by rarity bumping several cards and archetypes to push competitive and collectors to buy up even more boxes and cases to get those exclusive cards. Imagine if current TCG Konami was in charge of printing the Lord of Tachyon Galaxy set, they would have printed the Dragon Rulers as ultra and secret rares because the demand on the competitive end would have been so great but the value ofbthe cards would have priced out more casual players more than Dracosac
Thats whats killing the game. People who play casually arent gonna spend top dollar just to play the best deck of the format for 2 months, theyll just play master duel or one of the free simulators. The people who go to events to actually try and be competitive these days are either content creators trying to make a little money for their hobby or have tons of free time and money to be able to afford travel & deck building. It feels like konami is purposefully trying to push away the TCG audience so they can focus on their digital titles now. I mean they had a whole board meeting where investors expressed concerns about the state of the TCG and how the game isnt making enough money, yet they seem not at all interested in changing their game plan or strategy each set is exactly the same as the last despite the growing concerns. Konami needs to give decks more longevity or make them cheaper overall. Maybe make some strategies that are capable of winning without having 2 grand worth of staple cards to back you up.
@@tmoney1487 Problem isn't longevity, it's the price of said cards and how obtainable they are. AGOV is a good set in terms of card design and archetypes, it's ruined by TCG Konami bumping the rarity of 20 or so cards through the flimsy justification that there isn't a rare print in core sets. TCG Konami is trying to make money by making sets more top heavy, which forces players to buy multiple boxes to get a lot of the more valuable cards in a set. This makes core sets less appealing to casual players who are severely unlikely to pull anything of value as the important cards are pulled up to ultra and secret rare. OCG AGOV has most of the Horus and Snake Eye archetypes as commons and rares with a couple super and ultra rares (secret rares in OCG are just higher rarity variants of super and ultra rare cards) so you could get a majority of the archetypes in a single box, only needing super and ultra rares. S:P Little Knight is a super rare in the OCG, which means you have a little over 50% chance to pull one from a box, TCG they bumped her to exclusively secret rare which puts her in about 1 out of 4 boxes.
"You shouldn't shell out 1200 bucks for your hobby every 2 months" I think this is especially egregious because we're spending this money on damn cardboard and the OCG has a much better system that prevents this snowballing. It's not just about being able to afford it; as someone heavily into fashion, especially Belgian and Japanese deconstructvism and with a ton of disposable income, it was still very hard to justify buying a shiny piece of paper that says Baronne for the same price I could get a handmade, vintage, historically iconic Raf Simons pullover that will stay with me till the day I die.
Seeing that price rant at the start, ngl, happy I got 2 poster and diabell from a box and 5 packs, and just bought S:P at 65 on kongs, I'll live without the rest of it.
I feel what mbt is saying about the rescue ace cost. Im on disability so im a budget player, but i was lucky enough to get the rescue ace core when it released and was cheap. It felt great pre agov to have my first ever meta deck. Iv been lucky enough to trade for my diabellstar core, but am looking at the cost of little knight and im spooked
800 dollars could get like 7-10 pokemon decks. Charizard EX is one of the more expensive decks, but it's still only 120 for every card at lowest rarity singles.
Cimo can choose to not chain anything to the Lava Golem and activate barrel in a new chain at which point he wins unless gage somehow can chain something else before going for a chain link 3 Chain Strike, because a chain link 2 one doesn't kill If Cimo just goes all in though, he loses
Whenever I see TCG players malding about price I just got reminded how lucky I am to live in an OCG region. Rescue-ACE core is something like $45 and 3 Diabellestarr + 2 SP would set you back at most $70. Maxx C + Ash + Imperm Playset is another $60 or so. Extra deck staples (Knightmares, IP, Accesscode, etc) would probably only set you back at most $50. It's kind of wild that a tournament ready top meta deck would probably only set people back by ~$200 here if you go for minimum rarity while the same list would set TCG players almost 10 times the amount. y'all are getting ripped off man
It annoys me how blind players are to how scummy TCG Konami is with their prints. They'll pay through the teeth to get the best cards, ignorant of the cost and of the decisions in TCG Konami to make the player experience worse than it has to.
Wait why are you older staples like Ash, Imperm, Maxx C, and the extra deck cards actually MORE expensive than the TCG? Obviously we don’t have Maxx C, but a total playset of Ash & Imperm is like 30 dollars. Accesscode is 25, but the Knightmares and I:P is probably 3 dollars total.
@@alisethera9349 i fucked up the exchange a little for the older staples lol. it's supposed to be something like ~$45-ish with maxx c so about the same as in in TCG. Also when i said $50 for extra deck staples i actually meant *almost every extra deck staples* including not just the ones already mentioned but also stuff like baronne, savage dragon, herald arc light, a bunch of generic link 2s, the important charmers (dharc, hiita), selene, apollousa, and avramaxx. none of the cards i just mentioned are above $5 a pop. most are $1-2 a pop. the only odd one out is IP which are still about $6-7 a pop here.
This entire episode still described by this singular meme... ruclips.net/video/E0Aq7YUcMKo/видео.html edit:How do you do it so good at 37:09 tho? ruclips.net/video/tu_wTvstWcw/видео.html
@@geiseric222 really depends on the design of the alt win con decks. Dragon Ball Super had a format that was led by three decks, one of which was deck destruction, but it was still a fair matchup as it had built in limitations and other decks had significant ways to beat it.
I got a budget deck...it's unchained ...got it years ago ...didn't pay more than like 25 for the whole couple of waves and like 15 for the last 3 new cards...
tele dad def was worse at its peak....it was 2000 dollars not including ccv. im talking full power dad they were 300+ each. i went to a ycs and people at the event were selling them for 500 because people knew if they wanted to play it and there is only so many there to buy and play
cimo spinning the ultra and not picking silent honor dark pisses me off. like, PLEASE DO SOMETHING FUN AND ORIGINAL. it's such a good card for a series like this, but no... chain burn mirror... kill me
Please stop saying KRA-TOM for the love of god mbt lol. Also should have commited to ending the stream tbh. Their deck building is frustrating at this point
Is anyone surprised how expensive rescue ace is though? It was good at release then just kept getting better and better. Now since the deck is so new there are no reprints or anything to get for cheaper. It’s like trying to play with prize cards back in the day like Cyber Stein and Giant Hand. Let’s not forget Tear was pretty damn expensive too. By no means am I saying this is okay, but supply and demand is a bitch when everyone wants the new cards. Dudes at my locals were trying to pick up Little Knights day 1 for I think something like a hundred bucks to anyone who pulled one at prerelease.
@@otterfire4712 really? I could’ve sworn people picked up from the get go since it seemed to have promise. But first and second wave are probably just blending together for me
@@blaze3422160 some bought into the archetype because they liked them aesthetically. It wasn't until Emergency! (If I'm remembering the name of it) that the deck got attention. This ended up spiking the price of Hydrant because it was a secret rare that was out of print.
People meming so much about if Gage should've rushed into his Standby at the end of game 1; Reckless Greed literally reads "skip your [...] Draw Phase" so he was ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO go right into Standby! That game should've drew.
Lmao First of all a draw is not possible... the only card in either of their decks that could technically produce a draw is morphing jar Let's walk through the situation: skip dp enter sp gage has 2 legal actions. 1) activate golem cl1, no response, resolves, then alex new chain cl1 barrel for lethal. 2) pass prio to Alex who flips cl1 barrel and immediately wins the game
Its because people buy the damn cards but want to act like every other deck that's not in the top 5 is trash even if 10 other decks under those are still good. Like this is a problem with the Yugioh community and the need to buy what's new and hot instead of thinking of new ways to make your current deck or other decks better. If a fucking boomer can get EXODIA to work as well as he did IN 2023 then there's no fucking excuse for the rest of you. You don't need the next best deck, you just need to get good.
Exodia didn’t even make day 2. What the hell are you talking about. He lucked his way to 4-0 by winning dice rolls. He won the dice roll in the feature, and therefore won. He lost the next 3 matches immediately after the feature, and failed to make day 2. Stop acting like Jeff made some great achievement with exodia. He didn’t. He went 4-3 drop.
@@557deadpoolno, you're missing the point. People don't play the most expensive cards for the hell of it, the cards are expensive because they're played in the top decks. In tournaments doing OK isn't good enough. Just to have a shot at making ycs top cut you need a win rate of >80%, and then you need to win every single match from there... While playing against people who did just as well as you did. Yes, you don't need to play the best decks in the format to show up at a tournament, win a couple of games and then go to a bar with your friends, but that's not what we're talking about here.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 you have no point, 90% of Yugioh players are going to lose even with those cards because they suck at the game. These cards are purely a crutch, nothing more
@@557deadpool What you're saying makes no sense. Complaining about people buying expensive cards to play Yugioh is like complaining that Olympic runners use expensive running shoes. "These athletes only win because they have the best shoes. I run on stilts because its more fun and its what I enjoy. Usain Bolt wouldn't be able to beat me if he was on stilts, he's only winning because he's using proper running shoes" NO SHIT, people will use the best equipment to win. Usain bolt runs in shoes, not on stilts, even though its less "fun". Lewis Hamilton drives a F1 car, not a golf cart, because he wants to win. Tiger woods used expensive golf clubs, rather than trying to hit the ball with a 2x4. Are they a "crutch"? Using a 2x4 would be more of a "challenge" and more "creative". Casual players, in fact, are the ones who use cards as a crutch. If you bring dark magician to a tournament, then when you lose, you have an easy excuse. "I lost because i wasn't playing the best deck". But the reason they don't use the best deck is because if they brought the best deck to a tournament, they'd still lose. And they'd have no excuse for it, and would actually have to do some introspection that maybe they aren't the great player they thought they were. Most can't bear that possibility, so they bring their garbage tier-7 deck as a handy excuse for when they lose.
To clarify the ruling at the end of game 1:
- Yes, you can pass priority during a given phase when you have a mandatory effect you most resolve/apply in that phase. If you do this, the opponent can make an action or pass back. If they make an action, you procced with proper chain rules (or not if it's an action that doesn't start a chain) and then you return. If they pass back, NOW the turn player MUST perform an action (it can be the mandatory one or another appropriate action they can take here). This repeats until both players pass back to each other and there are NO mandatory actions left to be performed by either player that phase. So yes, gage did not need to immediately activate the effect of Lava Golem in the Standby Phase here.
- If a victory condition is met while a chain link is resolving, it is not applied until that chain link has finished resolving. NOT the ENTIRE chain, just the chain LINK.
Gage forgot to even put Maxx C in the side, confirmed bad card 😂
Yea like pot of greed
Side?
21:23 - 21:41 at .25 speed is a sight to behold, the pinnacle of comedy
Man nailed that Tom scream
Dude goes through 7 stages of grief
Reminder that OCG doesn't have these price issues, this is purely a TCG issue. TCG Konami since 2020 has worsened core sets by rarity bumping several cards and archetypes to push competitive and collectors to buy up even more boxes and cases to get those exclusive cards. Imagine if current TCG Konami was in charge of printing the Lord of Tachyon Galaxy set, they would have printed the Dragon Rulers as ultra and secret rares because the demand on the competitive end would have been so great but the value ofbthe cards would have priced out more casual players more than Dracosac
Thats whats killing the game. People who play casually arent gonna spend top dollar just to play the best deck of the format for 2 months, theyll just play master duel or one of the free simulators. The people who go to events to actually try and be competitive these days are either content creators trying to make a little money for their hobby or have tons of free time and money to be able to afford travel & deck building. It feels like konami is purposefully trying to push away the TCG audience so they can focus on their digital titles now. I mean they had a whole board meeting where investors expressed concerns about the state of the TCG and how the game isnt making enough money, yet they seem not at all interested in changing their game plan or strategy each set is exactly the same as the last despite the growing concerns. Konami needs to give decks more longevity or make them cheaper overall. Maybe make some strategies that are capable of winning without having 2 grand worth of staple cards to back you up.
@@tmoney1487 Problem isn't longevity, it's the price of said cards and how obtainable they are. AGOV is a good set in terms of card design and archetypes, it's ruined by TCG Konami bumping the rarity of 20 or so cards through the flimsy justification that there isn't a rare print in core sets. TCG Konami is trying to make money by making sets more top heavy, which forces players to buy multiple boxes to get a lot of the more valuable cards in a set. This makes core sets less appealing to casual players who are severely unlikely to pull anything of value as the important cards are pulled up to ultra and secret rare. OCG AGOV has most of the Horus and Snake Eye archetypes as commons and rares with a couple super and ultra rares (secret rares in OCG are just higher rarity variants of super and ultra rare cards) so you could get a majority of the archetypes in a single box, only needing super and ultra rares. S:P Little Knight is a super rare in the OCG, which means you have a little over 50% chance to pull one from a box, TCG they bumped her to exclusively secret rare which puts her in about 1 out of 4 boxes.
@@tmoney1487there isn’t any evidence it’s killing anything. YCSs are still selling out pretty easily
21:23 The moment you're likely looking for
"You shouldn't shell out 1200 bucks for your hobby every 2 months"
I think this is especially egregious because we're spending this money on damn cardboard and the OCG has a much better system that prevents this snowballing.
It's not just about being able to afford it; as someone heavily into fashion, especially Belgian and Japanese deconstructvism and with a ton of disposable income, it was still very hard to justify buying a shiny piece of paper that says Baronne for the same price I could get a handmade, vintage, historically iconic Raf Simons pullover that will stay with me till the day I die.
Brother what the FUCK are you on about
Not familiar with it, what system does the ocg use to prevent this?
@@EvilMyselfthey print almost every card at common then ALSO print the good stuff at high rarities
Not even cardboard, could you imagine how expensive this shit would be if it was CORRUGATED??
@@babaG819could you imagine a corrugated Grass deck?
Now, imagine playing Yu-Gi-Oh in Brazil, where Kashtira Fenrir at its peak price cost more than 1/3 of the minimum wage in the country. FOR EACH
Same in America. Little knight is $100 and minimum wage is $7 per hour 😂
do people just proxy them and OK it or is it not accepted
Seeing that price rant at the start, ngl, happy I got 2 poster and diabell from a box and 5 packs, and just bought S:P at 65 on kongs, I'll live without the rest of it.
We can't go on vacation, i must buy cards.
I feel what mbt is saying about the rescue ace cost. Im on disability so im a budget player, but i was lucky enough to get the rescue ace core when it released and was cheap. It felt great pre agov to have my first ever meta deck. Iv been lucky enough to trade for my diabellstar core, but am looking at the cost of little knight and im spooked
800 dollars could get like 7-10 pokemon decks. Charizard EX is one of the more expensive decks, but it's still only 120 for every card at lowest rarity singles.
This might be true but then you’d have to play Pokémon
Yugioh players: I hate this game. I hate paying ludicrous amounts of money for paper.
Does it anyway
Great episode
41:16 holy shit. So the CL should have been CL1 lava golem, CL2 secret barrel, CL3 chain strike?
Cimo can choose to not chain anything to the Lava Golem and activate barrel in a new chain at which point he wins unless gage somehow can chain something else before going for a chain link 3 Chain Strike, because a chain link 2 one doesn't kill
If Cimo just goes all in though, he loses
Whenever I see TCG players malding about price I just got reminded how lucky I am to live in an OCG region. Rescue-ACE core is something like $45 and 3 Diabellestarr + 2 SP would set you back at most $70. Maxx C + Ash + Imperm Playset is another $60 or so. Extra deck staples (Knightmares, IP, Accesscode, etc) would probably only set you back at most $50. It's kind of wild that a tournament ready top meta deck would probably only set people back by ~$200 here if you go for minimum rarity while the same list would set TCG players almost 10 times the amount. y'all are getting ripped off man
It annoys me how blind players are to how scummy TCG Konami is with their prints. They'll pay through the teeth to get the best cards, ignorant of the cost and of the decisions in TCG Konami to make the player experience worse than it has to.
Wait why are you older staples like Ash, Imperm, Maxx C, and the extra deck cards actually MORE expensive than the TCG?
Obviously we don’t have Maxx C, but a total playset of Ash & Imperm is like 30 dollars. Accesscode is 25, but the Knightmares and I:P is probably 3 dollars total.
@@alisethera9349 i fucked up the exchange a little for the older staples lol. it's supposed to be something like ~$45-ish with maxx c so about the same as in in TCG. Also when i said $50 for extra deck staples i actually meant *almost every extra deck staples* including not just the ones already mentioned but also stuff like baronne, savage dragon, herald arc light, a bunch of generic link 2s, the important charmers (dharc, hiita), selene, apollousa, and avramaxx. none of the cards i just mentioned are above $5 a pop. most are $1-2 a pop. the only odd one out is IP which are still about $6-7 a pop here.
Does Gage have Dire Wolf yet?
because direwolf is INSANE in this mirror match; you can pop itself or Ojama tokens to pressure chains.
How is he making Dire Wolf, though
two wattcobras.@@victikirby15
@@victikirby152 Watt Cobra
This entire episode still described by this singular meme...
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edit:How do you do it so good at 37:09 tho?
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Yessss
Max Semenous may stroke.
Bro says it’s not in the budget but spends money on cardboard
I loved this episode.
MBosephT is gonna hate it, probably.
Annnnd he's fucking playing Isaac.
people always whine about burn decks but the mirrors will always be sick. Deck destruction mirrors in other games are great
I mean that’s true but the none mirrors are really miserable win or lose
@@geiseric222 really depends on the design of the alt win con decks. Dragon Ball Super had a format that was led by three decks, one of which was deck destruction, but it was still a fair matchup as it had built in limitations and other decks had significant ways to beat it.
so he duality and then ojama trio, sure no problem
Why do you own a Princess Jane shirt 😂
Oh shit he still went back for it?
and you used your discont code!!!!!
I got a budget deck...it's unchained ...got it years ago ...didn't pay more than like 25 for the whole couple of waves and like 15 for the last 3 new cards...
Felt cute, maestroke later idk
tele dad def was worse at its peak....it was 2000 dollars not including ccv. im talking full power dad they were 300+ each. i went to a ycs and people at the event were selling them for 500 because people knew if they wanted to play it and there is only so many there to buy and play
cimo spinning the ultra and not picking silent honor dark pisses me off. like, PLEASE DO SOMETHING FUN AND ORIGINAL. it's such a good card for a series like this, but no... chain burn mirror... kill me
Please stop saying KRA-TOM for the love of god mbt lol.
Also should have commited to ending the stream tbh. Their deck building is frustrating at this point
I believe I am better at Isaac than mbt more than he is better than me at yu gi oh, and I’m terrible at yu gi oh
Is anyone surprised how expensive rescue ace is though? It was good at release then just kept getting better and better. Now since the deck is so new there are no reprints or anything to get for cheaper. It’s like trying to play with prize cards back in the day like Cyber Stein and Giant Hand. Let’s not forget Tear was pretty damn expensive too. By no means am I saying this is okay, but supply and demand is a bitch when everyone wants the new cards. Dudes at my locals were trying to pick up Little Knights day 1 for I think something like a hundred bucks to anyone who pulled one at prerelease.
Pretty sure Rescue Ace was middling at first and the first wave of support brought them to relevance
@@otterfire4712 really? I could’ve sworn people picked up from the get go since it seemed to have promise. But first and second wave are probably just blending together for me
@@blaze3422160 some bought into the archetype because they liked them aesthetically. It wasn't until Emergency! (If I'm remembering the name of it) that the deck got attention. This ended up spiking the price of Hydrant because it was a secret rare that was out of print.
@@blaze3422160I think people picked up wave 1 cuz wave 2 was coming to ocg at the time which fixed the problems of wave 1
I am not watching a chain burn mirror, see y’all next week!
People meming so much about if Gage should've rushed into his Standby at the end of game 1; Reckless Greed literally reads "skip your [...] Draw Phase" so he was ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO go right into Standby! That game should've drew.
...oh someone mentioned it about a minute later lol
Wrong
Lmao
First of all a draw is not possible... the only card in either of their decks that could technically produce a draw is morphing jar
Let's walk through the situation: skip dp enter sp gage has 2 legal actions. 1) activate golem cl1, no response, resolves, then alex new chain cl1 barrel for lethal. 2) pass prio to Alex who flips cl1 barrel and immediately wins the game
things cost what they cost, stay mad
$500 for 9 cardboards is huge virgin energy. Yo those cards will be worthless in 2 years.
Its because people buy the damn cards but want to act like every other deck that's not in the top 5 is trash even if 10 other decks under those are still good. Like this is a problem with the Yugioh community and the need to buy what's new and hot instead of thinking of new ways to make your current deck or other decks better. If a fucking boomer can get EXODIA to work as well as he did IN 2023 then there's no fucking excuse for the rest of you.
You don't need the next best deck, you just need to get good.
Exodia didn’t even make day 2. What the hell are you talking about. He lucked his way to 4-0 by winning dice rolls. He won the dice roll in the feature, and therefore won. He lost the next 3 matches immediately after the feature, and failed to make day 2.
Stop acting like Jeff made some great achievement with exodia. He didn’t. He went 4-3 drop.
@@peanutbuttereggdirt1 imagine missing the point this hard
@@557deadpoolno, you're missing the point. People don't play the most expensive cards for the hell of it, the cards are expensive because they're played in the top decks.
In tournaments doing OK isn't good enough. Just to have a shot at making ycs top cut you need a win rate of >80%, and then you need to win every single match from there... While playing against people who did just as well as you did.
Yes, you don't need to play the best decks in the format to show up at a tournament, win a couple of games and then go to a bar with your friends, but that's not what we're talking about here.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 you have no point, 90% of Yugioh players are going to lose even with those cards because they suck at the game. These cards are purely a crutch, nothing more
@@557deadpool What you're saying makes no sense. Complaining about people buying expensive cards to play Yugioh is like complaining that Olympic runners use expensive running shoes. "These athletes only win because they have the best shoes. I run on stilts because its more fun and its what I enjoy. Usain Bolt wouldn't be able to beat me if he was on stilts, he's only winning because he's using proper running shoes"
NO SHIT, people will use the best equipment to win. Usain bolt runs in shoes, not on stilts, even though its less "fun". Lewis Hamilton drives a F1 car, not a golf cart, because he wants to win. Tiger woods used expensive golf clubs, rather than trying to hit the ball with a 2x4. Are they a "crutch"? Using a 2x4 would be more of a "challenge" and more "creative".
Casual players, in fact, are the ones who use cards as a crutch. If you bring dark magician to a tournament, then when you lose, you have an easy excuse. "I lost because i wasn't playing the best deck".
But the reason they don't use the best deck is because if they brought the best deck to a tournament, they'd still lose. And they'd have no excuse for it, and would actually have to do some introspection that maybe they aren't the great player they thought they were. Most can't bear that possibility, so they bring their garbage tier-7 deck as a handy excuse for when they lose.