Dr. Joy DeGruy on "Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome" and Learned Helplessness
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Dr. Joy DeGruy talks about the power of connecting with young people and how we win in this current climate. There is also a discussion about #Reparations. #PostTraumaticSlaveSyndrome #KarenHunterShow
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Karen TY for having this Queen of Mother's 🕺🏾💫📚📚💫🕺🏾
No matter how many times I hear the good Doctor DeGruy, I still want more. Thank you, Karen!
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Yes! Same!
Totally this, been in for well over a decade
Me too. It just reinforces my thoughts on these issues that affects us socially racially.
Yeah, I feel you 💯 percent🔥✊🏾
Dr. DeGruy is a life giver, because she says what needs to be said to set the record straight regarding our plight. Any thinking being in "The Hood" looks around and sees something is awry, something is underdeveloped, something has been skewed. And we also know that it's not entirely Black people's fault. This had to come from somewhere. Dr. Joy DeGruy looks beyond the effect and delves deeply into the cause. This is why she is a treasure, perhaps more than she even knows.
K.Hunter and Dr. Joy Degruy I commend you guys love what you do and what you bring to the table. Keep up the good work. Sankofor 🌍
Love love love Dr DeGruy her books should be a part of EVERY African’s library; especially if you have children ❤️🖤💚
As a social worker, Dr. DeGruy is one of my heroes. I have owned PTSS, quoted it, and have educated many folk for the decade that she has been on my radar.
Awesome Theresa 👌🏾
What do you say to a white person that says blacks havent been slaves in the last 155 years so how do blacks have PTSD?
PTSS is a justification for the dysfunctional behavior and the violence found in the black community . It's the result of generational trauma ,
( caused by slavery )being passed down to African Americans and excusing their violence in society . If this is true , then we must find the 5 black officers innocent for killing Tyre Nichols . After all aren't these 5 officers not responsible for their actions due to Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome .
@Steven Smith no, because thoughts and behaviors are different. No one can hold you responsible for your thoughts and emotions, that's why you get help in the form of therapy. But, society can, and does, absolutely hold you responsible for your behaviors. You're an adult. Adults don't act on every feeling they have when they have it.
You know this got to be the ancestors. I JUST finished seeing an infamous pic of Kanye and Candice wearing "white lives matter" shirts. *deep sigh* Then saw black high school football players participating in a mock slave auction. I was trying to find a words for what some of us were going thru. Post traumatic slave syndrome is what we going thru.
It’s a form of Stockholm syndrome according to some researchers.
My mother used the term "legacy of slavery."
No matter how many times I hear the good Doctor DeGruy, I still want more. Thank you, Karen!
PTSS is a justification for the dysfunctional behavior and the violence found in the black community . It's the result of generational trauma ,
( caused by slavery )being passed down to African Americans and excusing their violence in society . If this is true , then we must find the 5 black officers innocent for killing Tyre Nichols . After all aren't these 5 officers not responsible for their actions due to Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome .
Dr.Joy is a national treasure in my book!!
@@e99st Let me guess . You're a black victim , that believes white people are evil .
Professor Karen, you keep raising the bar and I am here for it. My mamma was an older mother and I was teased a lot growing up because my mamma was older. Having babies at a very young age was something that was praised when I was younger. Waiting until you are older to have a child was frowned upon Professor Karen. I love what Dr. DeGruy sound about learned helplessness. There are Black people who demonize another Black people for leaving the hood, it is seen as anti-Black. I see anti-Black as telling a Black person they should not better themselves is very anti-Black and these messages are coming directly from US. We criminalize each other for just doing better. Thank you Professor Karen for this great segment.
I guess I’m sheltered. I’m just not around these types of black folks, and I’m mostly around black folks! I am not around Black folks criminalizing each other for doing better.
Two brilliant Black women giving us the remedy for the collective ailment 👏🏾. Education and engagement with each other is the 🔑
I left America at 19, I'm from the projects in the South Bronx, I went to college in Rome and NEVER came back. Many of us are leaving going to Africa. Wherever you go anywhere is better than staying in the US
I’m glad you escaped
@@AliveBoldTVEscaped? We are treated the same way everywhere. Just like in the USa, (there is NO USa without US) they mask it differently.
@@marshatacaradine9459 you’re speaking very matter of factly about a very nuanced experience. I would invite you to listen & get curious instead.
I'm a 49 year old man and today October 23 2023 is the first time I've seen or heard of this great Woman,and I'm already WOWWED by the little I saw...I saw a tik tok with a snippet of a lecture and immediately started my research... although in my heart I knew the things she spoke about ,raping ,killing and lynching of slaves, black people ,etc ,I did not know that these heinous acts were ,on paper "legal" ..thank you Prof Degruy for your continued work....it is much appreciated..just proves that we are never too old to learn, never.
Learned helplessness is why we must be very careful with how much of the public lynchings and injustice we consume. It creates "hopelessness " and "learned helplessness " that will cause us to "lay down" and not progress or turn to toxic entertainment and abusive substances to temporarily give us mental and emotional relief. "The system is working exactly the way it was designed to work". Stay vigilant. Don't give up!✊🏾 And make it a priority to pass the wealth, warnings and wisdom to the next generation.
my goodness 'my mom' 'you break my leg and complain that I limp' 'the system isnt broken" 'vacant self-esteem' wow I learned about learned helplessness and self-efficacy at Chicago State. Informed my teaching approach and life perspective. I would be afraid of us, too. Thank you for reaching back: soak beans overnite. I love your approach to these boys walking down the street (tears). Our role is not to cross the street.
SHE IS ANOTHER FORM OF ANGELA DAVIS...AWESOME! WE APPRECIATE YOU DR. JOY AND KAREN!
No she is not. Let Angela Davis stay in her own lane.
This is feeding my soul a year later! Incredible episode, Queens!!! ❤🙏🏾
When Dr. Degruy was talking about learned helplessness I can’t help but think of the door of no return. That’s where our learned helplessness started. 😢 Epigenetic
I disagree! These were captives: beaten, starved, raped, sick in body and mind, tortured, many broken , terrified but some- always some : defiant, outraged, enraged. The latter are epigenetic, too. Not all of us ever were or are defeated internally. The learned helplessness took generations, the creation of a divided class with no loyalty toward their African ancestry, paid informers, and so on. That learned helplessness gets stronger as we continue is the worst yet. People like Owens and yes, West and so many are the enemies of our own households and they choose this because they are self serving grifters. Kanye West was most certainly taught the opposite by his mother, Professor Donya West. And then she fell under the wheel? Why⁉️Whose idea was that clandestine BBL? Learned bah humbug! Forced, compelled and then accepted by grifters. When we stop the grifters, we’ll be well on our way to the open defiance needed to end the external and the internal. Our failure to act, repression feeds the monster. Knowledge is essential but action is supreme. I wish a ninja would talk about some good hair in my presence. It’s in our hands. Tired of these excuses now varnished by academia and talking heads . You got it; I’m epigenetically enraged. Most of “ the culture” needs to be expunged.
I could listen to this fabulous woman for hours, but I know she'd prefer for me to take action instead. Everything she says is so profoundly true and reaches us deeply if we but pay attention. I hate the term "master" teacher but we are sitting at the foot of greatness here.
I don't know how ya'll landed on my RUclips feed, but I are am thrilled!!!!!.
“Our leaders Came to do good but stayed to do well”…wow Dr. DeGruy
Also, our young people seem just as color struck as the older folk. I can't tell you how many tiktoks I've seen by young black men degrading dark-skinned girls as loud and rude while their lighter skinned cohorts are more refined. It's disappointing. I can only imagine the environments in which they were raised.
That is ignorance and self hatred....it reminds me of the white doll black doll experiment conducted by the late black psychologist Dr. Kenneth Clark, where little black girls were so ashamed of themselves, they refused to play with the black doll because it was ugly. They played with the white doll because they considered it pretty.
I will say it if no one else will. We don't need the overseer as a physical person anymore. The overseer is in our heads and we are still slaves in our heads.
We think, live and react as slaves today. We still talk of freedom. Ask a foreigner, especially from Africa what freedom is. After they finish laughing they will tell you you wouldn't understand, you are still slaves in your own country. That should speak volumes to you. Playing the race card on your own is just as stupid as the white man doing it. The body goes where the mind leads.
Pick yourselves up, not by bootstraps, but by our accomplishments, by where you came from and what you've been through. By the many who have died for our causes. We're not done!
Ronald I agree with you. It sems that both black men and women keep the color game of ligjt qnd dark up.
Dr. DeGruy just brings her expertise like family, so relatable and digestable........she's been on my faves list for many years and inspite of the tough subject matter I still manage to find joy through Joy's delivery ❣️
That learned helplessness is like the lions who wouldn't leave the cage, even after it was gone. This was the best, Prof. Hunter; so glad to be a Knubian, because it boils over! And Dr. DeGruy, what you did w/those young men - acknowledge them - is what I always do when I run across some to encourage. We should all be that smart.
Ohhhhh, here we go.
*puts earbuds on LOUD, at the Job*
Professors Hunter and Dr. DeGruy...your beautiful spirits and passion for our people ❤ lift my heart and mind to such heights. I have been following you both for years. This interview brings me to tears. It feels vital and long overdue. I look forward to hearing more from you together. Your combined power and intellect are the prototype for us all. Thank you for your beautiful presence.
"Would you be my Mom, too?" Dag, of all the things I expected to tug at my heart in this conversation, this one has me weeping. Blessings to Dr. DeGruy and that Mama and Daughter. ❤🙏🏿
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You get so busy doing the neverending work that you forget you missed certain voices. Right on time Prof. Hunter. I remember the push back from Black Male voices too. Let's talk about how totally difficult it is to be activated after hearing /reading these truths only to turn to your family, your community to share it with them, to live it with them, to conduct "people activity" with them in the community and run only into stone cold BRICK. There's a whole other level of trauma in that. Grateful to see this Esteemed Elder Mother appear before us POWERFUL & WHOLE still. We can do this. Thank you. #reactivated
Read the book and found it so enlightening. Helped me understand lot of things and gave practical advice to heal. I have recommended the book many times
Thank you so much for this interview. I hadn't seen any recent interviews with Dr. DeGruy for a while. Now I know why; she's been in the trenches doing the work.
Prof Hunter, I didn't think it could get better than you, and Dr. Carr(much love and respect to Dr. Carr), buuuut...Prof Hunter, and Dr. DEGRUY?? It's CLOBBERING TIME!😆
Omg, I can't believe Dr. Joy is on your show. I love her!!
I knew a woman who told me after many years of asking her why she doesn't move out of a dangerous community she was living in, that we both grew up in, there were times when we would be talking on the phone and she would scream for me to hold on only to find out later she was dropping to the floor because people were shooting outside her house, after many years of repeatedly asking her why she hasnt moved away from there she finally said its because she didnt think she could make it anywhere else, I met her in 1987 this is 2022 and shes still in that same house and still ducking bullets, I had moved away long ago. Bobby Womack said this in his song called "Across 110th Street" he mentions how "families on the other side of town would catch hell without a ghetto around" Dr Degruy is right when she says this mentality is from being conditioned, trained not to want to even try to leave, that is for SOME because like she and I and I'm sure many of us knew better and wanted better than the conditions they constructed for our people. Professor Hunter, thank you for doing this show, please have Dr Degruy back on real soon so this process of enlightenment can continue, we eat it up because we need it ❤
Wow.. This interview was emotional and moving for me. Especially when she spoke about talking to the group of young men coming from school. Love love Dr.Joy.. Her name fits her well. Thanks Sis Hunter.(The cleanest glass of water on these airways). Love you 🙏🏾
Another phenomenal black woman! I first met Dr. DeGruy when I worked at First Interstate Bank (Portland, OR) in 1987. The bank brought her in to do some "Affirmative Action" training. I learned a lot about people culturally and environmentally. Wait 'til y'all learn the true beginnings of the Statue of Liberty. Like Dr. Carr, and Professor Hunter, Dr. Joy DeGruy is a national treasure.
Appreciate the discussion! Evanston cannot be considered reparations though since you don't have to be a descendant of slavery to qualify, and not all descendants there will receive the vouchers. We cannot just label any and everything reparations. That's like saying Afirmative Action is reparations.
Finally finished watching and Dr. DeGruy was just amazing as ever! Stumbling upon PTSS years ago changed my way of thinking back then by just confirming that I wasn't crazy and by validating my/our lived experiences. So happy to see her still dropping knowledge and everything else that was said during this whole show was on point!
Professor Hunter please invite Dr Joy DeGruy back again and again and again!
Dr. DeGruy said "Give Me Your Hand." This is a "novel concept" that takes but one ingredient... Self(less)ness.
But the "Mis-educated" among us will cry foul. They will make statements like, "I'm not walking hand in hand with another grown up. They grown, let them fend for themselves." These mis-educated ones (some who hold multiple degrees from very prestigious institutions of higher learning) cannot even grasp the simple concept of leading by (compassionate) examples. They are often caught up in the throws of Capitalism. And two of the main tenets of Capitalism are Impatience and Intolerance. And it matters not their political affiliation.
Yet, I am not a proponent of tossing out the "mis-educated (baby) with the bath water." They must simply be (patiently) taught to grab a hand and then gently teach.
Dr Joy is definitely a Titan among critical thinkers I was introduced to her work before the pandemic and Dove head first in during the pandemic and it's fitting that she would end up on the Karen Hunter podcast thank you love it!!!
Wow!!
I'm sharing this with everyone I know👏👏👏
Damn Karen, today’s show is on point! I love Dr. Joy! She breaks things down so simply with her three assessments.
I can definitely relate to point number 2. “Generations of children raising children. My mom gave birth to me on February 28, 1970, and she was only 15 years old. Thank she had a “village “ around her that help her (her mother, grandmother, great grandmother, and several aunts). Fast forward to the 80s and beyond where we definitely had babies having and raising babies! Two songs bring this home for me!
1. BABIES HAVING BABIES - Terry Tate ruclips.net/video/2s338u1Rrvg/видео.html
2. 2Pac - Brenda's Got A Baby ruclips.net/video/NRWUs0KtB-I/видео.html
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When my grandson became a teenager, I told my daughter that he needs to know not just that you love him but that you respect him. I got that from Dr. Joy 😊.
TMH said America is toast anyway. Burn it down. 🤷♀️
Karen!! I have been waiting on this interview for years! My two favorites! Legendary!!
Question. Why? Why does the world want to totally destroy Black people? This destruction of us goes back to the beginning of time. Know what reason The Word has given but it's not enough for me to truly believe. This question even makes me question God but even He has not answered.
Salaam; Well the reasons are several sis. The very first reason is that we are the Direct descendants of Almighty ALLÁH! We are the Original people; the maker; the owner; cream of the Planet Earth; Father of Civilization; God of The Universe! However; for the past 6,600 years there’s a rebel on our planet. This Rebel Grafted man) is in direct opposition to the very nature of the original man! The purpose of this enemy is to try the Original people and make us wiser; stronger; and even more durable. I recommend that you peruse “Message To The Black Man In America”; by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad!
Dr. DeGruy’s interview was enlightening because it joined psychological and sociological theories that have served to maintain the status quo. We have revitalize our desire to leave a legacy of greatness behind. My elders (cousins) were always willing to share their stories of accomplishments and challenges with me. It can still work. “We got this!”
I bought this book when it came out. It really opened my mind and affirmed my view. Get it today!
Karen Hunter and Joy DeGruy!!!!!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🏃🏾♀️🏃🏾♀️🏃🏾♀️💨💨💨💗💗💗💗 my day has been made!
Two wonderful women that's 100% on I just do not agree with the term scared. I truly believe there is a great difference of someone being scared and someone that takes opportunity where there is no two very little consequence. 🌄🦍☮️🖤
Omg!!! Dr. Joy DeGruy I love you. You are speaking straight facts. My whole family in a nut shell...DAMM!
I love Dr.DeGruy, I learned a lot from her about our people and our behavior because of the oppression and racism that's embedded in our lives.
I am working on my capstone/dissertation on microaggressions against Black women in the workplace and everything that Dr. DeGruy discussed plays a role in how Black women are treated in the workplace. It’s so much to digest and I’m struggling with how to include all of this in my final paper. The truth needs to be told and not watered down to appease those in power.
27:00, learned helplessness 2.0 kicked in. Those who walk through the door work for me now. I'll pay them well and finance a platform so large that Black folks have few choices but to listen to YOU (or rather ME working through YOU).
Our #1 problem is disloyalty among our people. We are NOT on code, or maybe we were on code until outside forces put the pinchers on. Money and desperation is obviously a heavy influencer, but to be honest I think the leading cause of Black folks "turning heel" is that they White society tempts them with the TWISTED, rich, white lifestyles. Cosby turned on the poor because he was hiding them allegations. I think he (and others of high influence) were polluted with vices and then later approached by elite folks and presented with an ultimatum...do what we say or be exposed. There is a reason that fickled people get famous. Maybe they were already like that OR maybe evaluated as being "more suceptable to our brainwashing.
Sorry so long.
The "then something happened" that Prof. Hunter is referring to is that there was a nonstop injection of disparaging cultural humor that gripped our culture over the years; and to this day, it (disparaging humor) has a choke hold on us.
Literally, because we laugh at our "weakest link" instead of psychologically and economically
bolstering that portion of our culture we get caught up in a "Catch 22" cycle. Behavior modification for African Americans across the board is a huge part of what can bring us out of this seemingly bottom rung societal purgatory in which we find ourselves. This modification can and must occur (organically). Done this way, the efforts can never be thwarted. But if done systematically where everything is spelled out so that
EVERYONE can observe and understand your science, then you are destined to maintain your status quo.
In the vast majority of athletic competitions, a team NEVER totally discloses to its opponents what strategies it will utilize in order to realize victory. And we must KNOW that (victory) is never a destination for us. It must be our (ingrained) integral lifestyle.
Quietude is a most powerful quality. 👌
Crack fractured African communities in America. The Crack pandemic is where I recognized, even in my youth, the generational divide between Big Momma and Lil Man. The Social Structure’s successful criminalization of African youth and burdensome deficiencies of Black crack babies had African elders demanding the criminal justice system to contain the problematic generation that were singlehandedly made responsible for Black stagnation.
My mother used to constantly use that quote about co-opted Black leaders, how they "came in to do good, but ended up just doing well." She made sure we understood that. [12:39 juncture]
2 of my absolute favorite thinkers, producers, organizers, leaders in the world!!
I'm so honored to watch this thoughtful and productive conversation.
I read Dr. Degruy's book after watching her video. I love this conversation. There was a time when grandparents were considered old and had a head full of grey hair. I know of 30 something year old grandparents and young men's OG in their twenties. Not that young people can not be wise, but we lost a generation of wisdom. And there are a lot of reasons as to why. This is awesome! ❤️
The good doctor and I are of the same generation. Southerners who became Angelenos. Nestled, surely, into traditional Black enclaves created by redlining. Most of the historic Black enclaves are no longer predominantly Black. As kids we witnessed far right actions purposed to be to our detriment. We listened at our elders heels and heard the talk. Likewise young people listen to us. They see more. More clearly. There is nothing knew under the sun. We knew then and know now. All borders demarcate ownership. Of everything within. The wealthy have estates. The people have dwellings within those borders. Every "enterprising" Black community established within a borders is undone. We call them massacres. Floodings. Whole communities under water. Lost to eminent domain. Government being the property managers for the wealthy. We are managed as if vermin or, threatening predators roaming within these borders. Trapped, killed, habitats taken over, hunted etc by every institution. To the wealthy witnessing racial violence is like a estate owner watching bears and wolves or moose engaged in battle. Not people. In western European societies, non wealthy white people are pigs. That would make non white non wealthy folk wild boars. One is a tame product which is harvested.The other is wild and dangerous and must root to survive. Culled via deprivation, poisoning, war, prison. For the wealthy the non wealthy are a type of product and our labor and life work produces their wealth. So, whether you sleep at the foot of the master's bed, or, sheltered within his barn or protected in his fenced lands or allowed to roam on his open lands, all is within his borders. Your life may be rich but you ain't the one who is wealthy. A revolution reshuffles the deck but doesn't change the cards. www.ucl.ac.uk/culture/sites/culture/files/three-estates-student-sheets.pdf
Insightful, within this conversation lies, in a subtle way, practical ways to break out of the stupidity that seem to plague the human consciousness. But one question I ask is if those labels are lies and not real why emphasize and identify with something that is not real and thereby given it your own power and consent to be alive? In this time and season, it is important to be aware that “everything comes from you and by changing your inner state of BEING you change your outer world and your Being is not a “form” a “label” born in time and space that can be caged or manipulated.
Awesome! But what about the damage being done through the TV'S, phone and computers?
Ummmm....Ok....See, I just absolutely, positively, love these two women. Why? Because they inspire me to be the best black man/Afrikan man, that I can be. Seeing them in action, lets me know that our governance structure is alive, well, and growing. What this right here is, is the divine feminine principle incarnate. Thank you, sisters, for your wisdom and guidance. Thank you for being with us and one of us. We have work to do and we will do it together in our collective. Ase’
Ase!
I felt this whole talk. Joy is the truth. Her bravery is phenomenal. I especially enjoyed the point about our male youth. They need us to trust them, talk to them, listen to them, empathize with them, co-create a better world with them. Respect is a 2-way street, if we want them to respect the wisdom of the elders, we need to respect their wisdom in a modern age too. This definitely needs to be seen far and wide!
If youtube allowed multiple likes I wouldve spammed the like button so hard lol
Dr. Joy is my shero! I have her book on Posttraumatic Slave Syndrome and it is so prolific! As a doctoral student, I look up to her and I am so grateful for her work in the social sciences and for the culture.
Thank u ladies..."Others" have always piggybacked off "our" works/labor, scholastically, philosophically why are we 😯 surprised
❤❤❤❤ love her bless her… She is an amazing women… As a black man I say to my black men, protect her at all cost!!! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
Enjoyed the explanation about being conditioned not to walk out of the door.
16:42 children raising children is an interesting theme to unpack
OMG That was amazing! So much wisdom, confirmation, and reminding. My husband and I talk to the young, the unhoused, and all kinda random people that others ignore. It's amazing how many people will stand by and compliment you when your done, like you did something with super human abilities. They never realize, by only talking to me after the incounter their still ignoring the person. Don't thank me, take action!...and then we as a people can make this a better place.
"Can you be my mother too?"
"They were chomping at the bit to tell me their dreams." My LORD, the power of Black love. 🙏🏿
In tears that we are afraid of our own youth... to their detriment. smh. Please keep sharing the knowledge, Prof!
Absolutely love Dr Degruy. Pushed the play button so fast on This one.
Karen you are on it and truly a gem to our community. Your interviews are so uplifting and refreshing in the era of chaos. Keep up the great work. Now I’m tuning into Urban View. Listener since 2014!
Another match made on Earth!! Can you spend Sunday's with Dr. DeGruy like you spend Saturday's with Dr. Carr?? Just thinking on RUclips... love you both!!
Thank you Professor Hunter for having Dr. Joy De Gruy on your show disscussing these important issues as people of African descent. Both of you are present day versions of Angela Davis who are always about the business of presenting factual infomation for the purpose of uplifting and liberating our minds.
I am thoroughly motivated to follow your show because you feature conversations with some truly monumental black people such as Dr. DeGruy. But RUclips doesn't always notify me when you upload videos. Mostly because I don't have any subscription to Sirius radio. But rest assured that I will endeavor to get all of your videos from here on out.
In regards to the title. The 1960s, black nationalism with its socialist, collectivist leanings, civil rights movement, affirmative action, and all the focus on the past created the learned helplessness.
I love me some Dr Joy. I just wish she'd taken the opportunity to really make an impact by using more appropriate language for the title of her work and I'm her work. When I share her work, I make sure to correct it to say SLAVERY and/or enslavement, which looks like "post traumatic slavery disorder" or "post traumatic enslavement disorder" (PTSD/PTESD).
Professor Hunter! I have been waiting for this interview with you. The two of you together is fire! I experienced some of her lessons during a two day session with Santa Clara County, California. It was so illuminating on so many levels! I can recall a bit of her story about the Statue of Liberty and how it was actually dedicated to represent the elimination of slavery. How this "brown lady" was to have broken chains in one hand. Of course, all of that changed. That hand holds a book/tablet with July 4, 1776 inscribed on it. Dr. DeGruy fought to learn more about what happened to the chains. They decided the broken chains should be at her ankle/feet. Not easily seen on first glance. I never learned THIS history in school.
_He who knows not and knows not he knows not, is a fool; shun him._
_He who knows not and knows he knows not, is simple; teach him._
_He who knows and knows not he knows, is asleep; wake him._
_He who knows and knows he knows, is wise; follow him_
Is this case, follow Dr. DeGruy Leary.
The show got me in my bedroom saying Amen Amen Amen yessssssss Joy comes in the morning! Leaving this conversation feeling mentally well and spiritually well in some sense thank you both
Knowledge is the key for preparation. Great interview love Joy passion and energy.💕
Thank you so much Prof Karen...I needed a shot of this today!!!!
Thank you, Ladies!!!!! Sheer BRILLIANCE!!!!!!
How do you jibe being traumatized with being a resilient, spiritual, and magical people? How do we jibe Black intellectuals saying - we should not talk of Black on Black crime, because it makes us look "pathological', but then have other Black intellectuals, saying we suffer greatly from the trauma our ancestors experienced? How are we supposed to take into account genes being able to pass down trauma, and not consider what the same genes pass down, in terms of what science say they mainly do? After over a decade of this information being propagated, what is the specific treatment, that should be prescribed for it? Are the present treatments for current incidences of trauma effective? This issue has a history of its own, it has been around a long time. Was it handled properly? Is it still being handle improperly or not adequately enough? The importance of history has been promoted among us for decades, but have we learned anything from it? Have we put it to productive use? Hunter said we were doing all these great things and then something happened. It did not just happen. When all the good stuff was going on, decades ago, the same bad stuff we see today was also going on. It is documented and is a part of the current 'culture". The worst of it is worst today. We get history lessons in real time everyday and ignore them. Degruy's work was influenced by the field of epigenetics, which is more than 70's years old. If this science about genes passing down trauma has been validated by scientific standards, it is still relative. It is not an inevitable outcome. Life is traumatic, all people likely have trauma passed down to them, if this is true. Getting caught in a inhospitable climate was likely traumatic to those who left Africa and migrated into Europe and Asia. Are they excused of their behavior, because of past trauma being passed down? This whole idea's value to us, is exaggerated, especially if we can't effective treat present day drama.
Totally agree your uploads should reach millions. On any given day I go through 5 or more Fox news channels to filter them out from being recommended. So they don't play under the same rules. 15 news channels about immigrants replacing veterans at a hotel and the next day no retraction of the story recommended to me, had I not subscribed to Indisputable with Dr. Richey I would of spent all weekend believing a lie.
This was such a brilliant one to one and a continuation of what I've already come to understand from Dr DeGruy after watching her lecture from 2008 in London. During that lecture Dr DeGruy proves once and for all that there is no such thing as reverse racism, but what animates some European people who identify as white is fear. They're gonna do to us what we've done to them, fear! Fear of themselves is what it really is and she's 100% correct that it is pathological.
This is Dr DeGruy's lecture from 2008, ruclips.net/video/BGjSday7f_8/видео.html, and I can thoroughly recommend adding this to your queue because it will help build resilience when people who don't know, go around speaking as if they know! They do NOT know, it's just how they feel! That is very different, and Dr Joy talked about it with the experimentation on the dogs "Learned Helplessness". In philosophy speak this is analogous to "Plato's Allegory of The Cave" where the people are so afraid of going outside that they'll do you harm if you try to take them outside and they'll argue against going outside, just as the example with the dogs, or the open door etc etc. www.studiobinder.com/blog/platos-allegory-of-the-cave/
Her reference to Malcom X and the knife is also so relevant. You stab someone with a 9" knife and pull it out 6", that's not progress. You pull the knife all the way out and that still isn't progress. The progress starts when you address the wound that has been inflicted, but the person who did the stabbing doesn't recognise the knife even exists. ruclips.net/video/DlfjmZw72bo/видео.html
She's brilliant, and too many people are PATHOLOGICAL!!!
as always Az...you do more than just comment in passing, you work to add depth ✊🏾 #Knubian
@@mkofismith We building together 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I read this book several years ago. Please don't let the foundations (camels in our tent) control what is being done that is supposed to advance our interests. Reparations should be paid by Europeans FIRST before even considering any payments from Africa.
This segment brought me to tears. I want FAMILY back. My kids don't have the grandparents I had. thanks to knubians though I'm finding community🙏🏼
Dr DrGruy is so BRILLIANT I had to rewind it to listen to her brilliance twice!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I love love love Dr. Joy Degruy!!!! She was the first person I quoted in my dissertation using her book post traumatic slave disorder. This woman is 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Professor Hunter thank you for always striving for excellence in everything you do. Salute to you , sis🙌🏽🙌🏽💪🏽💪🏽💗💗
I'm so loving this interview with Dr Joy 💓 so informative and deep I'm sharing this interview Professor Karen Hunter with everybody point blank period.
This is one off the most thought provoking discussion, I worked with tweens and teens for years and if you take the time to talk, they don't like the position of the world they are living in and they have aspirations, but not many people to help them grow know generation of survivors to help them navigate this thing call surviving in blackness .I will get the book I'm 66 and raising a 6 year old my adopted child, I am trying to give her a replica of my life growing up.the village and basic safety structures.
This woman Dr Joy DeGruy is BRINGING IT! She is BRILLIANT! Thank you 🙏🏿 Karen Hunter!
Amazing! The perspective and breakdown of the facts.
I just stumbled across your channel this is a great interview so much knowledge. All the obstacles place in our way. It almost seems impossible to deal with. And the saddest part is the black church adds to our problem by encouraging not taking responsibility. Waiting for someone else to solve our problems
Love love love her met her in Brooklyn at St Paul Community Baptist Church. Special Lady 🎉🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Why haven’t I heard of this before? SHAME ON ME!
Love the not crossing the street illustration. That’s me all the way. Don’t stereotype and judge our youth. Engage and embrace them. 💜🔥
😮😁😆🤣😂❤❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽Prof Hunter for sharing this interview!!!! OMG🎉
Dr DeGruy you are definitely brilliant and you have your finger on the pulse of the problem facing black people and black youth in particular. Listen to the kids. My sentiment exactly!
I just listened a second time and will desimminate to coworkers, friends, and family!