Provectus Group | BEST RIFLE ZERO FOR SELF DEFENSE
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I've seen many videos on this subject but, this one, BY FAR, was the best and clearest explanation yet on the matter of rifle zeroing.
Agreed .. makes total,elegant sense....
Good presentation. I learned this as the Maximum Point Blank Range. Because mileage may vary, I highly recommend we thoroughly test our firearm at 50, 100, 200, 300 yards to verify our own range card. For example, Using 223 brass mine was zero at 50, +1” at 100, +2” at 200, -7” at 300. I was dubious of my results but after multiple tests that’s what I consistently came up with. I have yet to verify steel Wolf but wasn’t even hitting paper at 300, so radically different from brass ammo. Good and safe shooting to all, cheers.
Yep, always verify with your own weapon and ammo you like to shoot.
I use 36 yds or meters. it keeps the shot group out to 300 yds at 5 inches
This is what the marines use. It is in my opinion the best zero for 16-20" rifles using 55gr-62gr bullets. If you use a micro red dot with a 36m zero and 1.84" over bore height on a 10.5" barrel you get 4" effective PBZ out to 200 yards which is also the max effective expansion threshold on many heavy vmax type bullets. I am getting 11" penetration with massive expansion up close and 12" with reasonable expansion out at 200 yards for a 10.5" barrel.
libertarianGO an M4 of any barrel length height over bore is 2.5”...1.8” will be too low unless you have some weird head
@@charlieb308 if you use a micro red dot and a pistol brace it just takes a tight cheek weld. I wouldnt suggest shooting it at the range all day as 30 rounds will make your jaw soar, but it works in a pinch and isnt hard to get on target fast.
The old argument was 25m vs 50m for bulletspread vs when that zero starts to drop dramatically. 36yrd is a great compromise of both and keeps the spread very tight at viable engagement distances. Vigilance Elite(Sean Ryan) has a good video on the rationale behind it and some free 36yrd corrected for 25m zero targets on his website. vigilanceelite.com.
Aim at the center and the bullet will impact the colored bullsey.
I do the same 36 yard zero
I believe this is the best explanation of the 50/200 zero I have seen...good job
I prefer a 36 yd zero for my dot, but 👍 on the illustration and explanation, as the two zeros are fairly close in terms of the points you are making. Like you point out, if you consider your shots around 200 yds and less (if fact waaaaay less if we are talking true self-defense) then the 6” circle becomes much, much smaller which is one of the things i like about a 36, or 50/200 yd zero. Good stuff 👍.
Love the discussion and great presentation of the logic. A natural follow-on would be to plot a 25yd zero and its trajectory to give a compare/contrast discussion. Same for 100yd zero. Understanding the trade-offs for different zeros would give the user more info to apply to specific circumstances, needs and application.
Well put sir.
Thanks for the "laymen's term" description, I get it now
That made perfect sense. So many people talking about different zeros. Never really saw it broken down like that and easy to follow
LR308 is zeroed at 300 yards. AR15 is zeroed at 50 yards. Both my AR pistols are zeroed at 26 feet. 26 feet is the furthest line of sight at any point inside my house.
Watched several videos on Zeroing. Yours was the most straight forward, non-cluttered, easy to understand presentation I have seen.
Thanks for the informative clip!!! For self-defense, I wouldn't even consider a 300 yd shot...reason being to conserve ammo, not give away my position, and let the target get closer for a shot less affected by wind, jiggle, and target movement. Given this reasoning, the effective zero becomes 5" in your example with a 50/200 zero (200 yds being the max distance to shoot). I have found using ballistic tables that another factor is sight above bore height. You say 50/200 but with my sight above bore height of 2.75", my ballistic tables gives zeros of 50/260 and max effective zero of 5" from 10 yds to about 275 yds. And if you only have a short shooting range, you can set up a 10 yd or 30 yd target and aim at the bullseye. Using my sight above bore height of 2.75", the ballistic tables show a point of impact at 10 yds should be 2" low and at 30 yds it should be 1" low. Using this technique is easier than aiming at a 50 yd target and walking back and forth to see where you hit if you don't have a spotting scope. Again, with my 2.75" sight above bore height I would hit right on at 50 yds, 2 1/2" high at 150 yds, 2" high at 200 yds, right on at 260 yds, and 2 1/2" low at about 275 yds. So my premise of max shooting range of 200 yds gives me a 5" max effective zero from 50 yds to 200 yds. By the way, 2 1/2" is the length of your little finger. That's a pretty tight group.
Edit: I have recently done a 100 yd zero ballistic chart and find that from 15-200 yds the effective zero is 2" (-2" at 15 yds which is the short range point of impact for a 100 yd zero, zero at 100 yds and -1.7" at 200 yds).
Great video!!! One of the best for understanding "zero".
Omg this makes so much sense. I have been confused when it comes to zeroing my red dot and how effective it would be out to further distance. Thank you for this!
This is an excellent presentation of the 6" circle. I've seen this called several other names but this video takes all the clutter out of it and makes it easy to understand with his drawings. Great work!! Sub'd!
From a strict home defense scenario you may even want to go
lower than 25 yard zero, Sight over bore height is a consideration.
This explanation of this particular sighing technique is the clearest and simplest I’ve ever seen. I will be sharing this video with new shooters rather than me trying to explain it myself from now on.
Terrific explanation. Concise and informative. Some people would take 30 minutes to explain the same thing.
Very well explained. Great job. But to me HOME DEFENSE is an in home range of 5 to 15 yard engagements. Outside of home is a whole nother matter/ purpose.
Very well done
Stumbled across this video. Great way of breaking down this information.!
Great video with a very clear explanation. My feedback is that 50 yards is not what I would consider “self defense”. I would have loved for you to show the offset that is needed when shooting at a very close distance so viewers could see how low the POI is compared to the POA at self defensive distances.
Close range your point of impact on any rifle is going to be the distance from center line of bore to center line of scope, which is usually around 2.7" on ar and 1.5" on many others.
If someone is shooting at you its selfdefence regardless of range
@@josephrogers8213 That's a very good point. I have incorporated a long distance shoot at the end of my range training.
this has been the simplest, straight to the point explanation i had found for point blank zero for self defense, thankyou very much
This made total sense ...and made sense in a way that almost everyone can get the "why " in the situation..Also kudos for sticking to the most common ammo ( we know it's likely Fed/Lake City or a clone) that everyone uses or has access to instead of dealing with high dollar exotics people hoard.
EXCELLENT presentation ! Well thought out, well illustrated, well explained. And not larded up with those stupid UH's and UM's which so many RUclips presenters can't live without. Nice work, my Good Man ! ☺ Looking for more from you.
Outstanding in every respect! Thank you sir! Great video.
At 300 the drop is more. The info I have is a 9.5 inch spread out to 300. The 36 yard zero is 5.5 spread. The spread us better on a 50 yard zero out to 250 yards but it really drops more at 300. That's what my info says.
I agree with this.
Simply amazing explanation. Great job
Great video. Much, much better than 90% of the videos on youtube
My 14.5 inch Colts have 100yd zeroes,my 10.5inch barrel has a 50yd zero and my 762x39 Ak has a 100yd zero.Good Info I might change the zero on the rifles with Aimpoint and eotech to 50yd zero but keep the one with trijicon ta31rco at 100yd zero.
I remember when I bought my first AR15 in 1996 and went to range and zeroed it like Army manual said, I used the 300 for a while but I then disliked how high the impact was at 100 yards, I started using the 50-200 zero(for my 20” rifle 50 was dead on at 200 also with ammo I used). The other day I said what the heck I’ll zero my Army M4 clone Aimpoint like the Army, one group at 100 was 10” high I said oh hell no, switched that back to 50
Provectus is amazing. I’m all about the 50 YD zero. For most of us, shooting Iron Sights or with a red dot (no magnification), you’ll be well served with this zero distance. Nothing to remember with respect to hold under/hold over. If you slap some glass on there, ACOG, or something else, you can utilize the magnification to reach out farther, even if your eyesight isn’t perfect. KNOW your limits.
Yes for Iraq in Urban shooting we changed our zero from 25/300 to 50/200 worked great!
Just FYI .. essentially works the same for irons .. ballistics do not change due to sight mechanism .. thank you for your succinct explanation
Very well explained,,I have been either in the army or law enforcement for over 30 years and you have it spot on,,
Very good instructional video.Clear and understandable presentation. Thanks.
Outstanding...so basic and simple. Well done.
Good info. I agree. Nice presentation.
I would strongly disagree with the idea of wasting the time of trying to use a sight of any kind in a combat situation at distances where the target can get to you before you can find your sight. This is stuff you have to pound and pound to know instinctively. I tell folks trying to find a dot at a target 21 feet and closing is gonna get you a toe tag. You need to know how stop snap it up and hit center mass that close.
I did enjoy your presentation.
Great video Ken. One of the easier to understand videos I've seen on this subject.
You do have an effective 6" zero but a 50y zero gets you below the kill box when aiming center at 300y. Your shot will be in the upper part of the lower abdomen. A 36y (Marine) zero will keep you in the box when aimed at center. 50y zero POI at 300 = 36y zero at 350
Well explained, and this is how my AR is zeroed. For the same reasons.
Missed the opportunity to say, "I'm gonna draw a little silhouette of a man."
one of the best explanation so far. Thanks a lot
What about 0 to 50 yard shots
Distance between barrel and center of scope is average 2.5 to 3 inches. This is your "offset." Fire at a target point blank you will be that much low. Then as your target approaches 50 yards that 2.5-3 inches approaches zero.
have done this and checked and you are dead on. thanks for the video
great info thanks.
Great explanation! For the first I understand how and why the sighting of my rifle. Thanks
Been running the 36 yard zero since 2015 :)
Thanks for the info I'm a steel sight jar head old school just got a sig with the Romeo 5 red dot and getting it set up has been a challenge but that made it a little easier
I have 3 Romeo 5’s. Love them! Simple, easy to zero, durable, reliable. Best of luck to you.
Also, I recommend zero-ing it on the lowest power setting (smallest dot you can barely see) so the dot doesn’t wash-out the target/POA. Also, just a tip - I staple (6) 6” paper plates to a cardboard target stand. In the middle of each plate I stick a little ¾” sticky dot (they some in different colors in office supplies sections of stores like Walmart) right in the center of each paper plate. Then I can progress from one plate to the next as I zero without having to walk up to the target as often - works great for me. Hope it helps you.
@@joshroten3997 yea thanks for the reply I put the holison enclosed red dot on it and love it for all kinds of weather I still have the Romeo 5 and I think I might put it on my ar-10 I have a Lazer that I have for each caliper that I have makes sighting in riffles and hand guns in a breeze done to perfection in about two rounds .
Outstanding job..I would like you to add where you would be hitting below 50 yards...Make sure you students understand how high you line of sight is above the bore on the rifle. My optic sits 3 inches above my bore on my AR15. So if someone is breaking into my house, I would definitely be hitting 3 inches low. I doubt in a self defense situation, I'd be shooting beyond 50 yards. Have fun trying to justify 200 yard shots in a self defense situation....
Excellent video.
Great video thank you for doing it!
alot of people are doing the 36 yrd zero now..i still do a 50 yrd. torso will hit the torso at 5 yrd, 10, 25, 50, 200.
Good video only issue or question I would have is at that 150 yard range that would be putting the round in the throat or the chin area with any type of wind that’s a small target the bullet was the drift to the left or the right
What I was thinking...
Awesome instruction!
Appreciate your teaching style and lesson. Gives me something to think about--happy New Year!
I subbed 😁🤙
Every gun is different. Zero with your self defense load to whatever you think is best, learn to deal with whatever offset you implementon yourself. TrainingTrainingTraining
If anyone cares I keep refining mine my goal is max POI over POA = point blank POA over POI. On an AR that's about a 2.5 *point blank radius* or "5" zero. a 64 yd zero may be it but narrowing in on that maxima takes ammo. I will probably back it up or push it foward depending on if the Maximum POI over POA is less than or more than 2.5in. Then I will find my far zero and when that again the POA over POI is 2.5 in and know my *point blank range* with my *round of choice* and my *weapon*
Idk why I chose the POA over bore (or *point blank offset* ) I just like the symmetry of my zero being in the center.
I get what you are saying, but its probably going to be hard to explain a "self defense" shooting from 300yds to a jury.
Remember other techniques apply if you plan on using different ammo.
Great video I wanted to ask you for a defensive situation for ar 15 the 36 yard zero will give you a 6"in effective zero as well as the 50-yard zero so which one do you suggest for a red dot the 36 or 50 and I will be taking one of your classes for sure
If used 4 home protection i would have to go with the 36 yard zero. I don't know alot of people with a home that has a line of sight that would justify a zero of more than that.
@@mikebeddingfield2144 Hell, even with a 36 yard zero you are going to be shooting low at most hallway or living room distances no? Especially if you have one of those high mounted optics that are all the rage these days.
@@BezmenovDisciple no new junk just a old wever and my antique irons i think i can hit some thing up close if i need to
Nice job great video now I know what I want out of my rifle Thanks
Man this made so much damn sense 😂 I alway thought that I’d never completely understand this. I’m about to buy my first lpvo and wanna zero it. I have a Holosun holographic that’s zeroed but I felt this LPVO need to be proper for my AR Pistol. Thanks for these gems.
Great information family.... Bless ☝
36 yd zero is where the magic happens.
Great video
Nice video, but what about home defense? 3 to 5yrds when it needs to be precise.
I will definitely try that at the range! 👍
My only question is can a 300 meter shot be self defense? I’m speaking about civilian scenarios.
In a SHTF scenario. Otherwise, pretty far fetched.
Simple answer no! If you live in the United States and pop off a 200-300 yard shot at someone. You will be considered a sniper. Who could have simply retreated instead of engaging a target. So at that point. Before you fire at that distance. Make up your mind if you find prison sex appealing.
nice video! it was super easy to understand. so yeah thanks for drawing that out for my dumbass lol.
Good presentation. Very helpful.
Very good explanation, thanks a lot!
i finally get it..thanks bro
🙏🙏 very well explained!! Thank you!😎👍👍
Good stuff, but how does this help me at the home defense 4 yd - 10yd distances? The 50 yd zero does have the 6" spread between 50 - 300 yards, but does this help CQB situations? I believe at close range, the fired round would be maybe 2.5" high before getting to the near zero of 50 yards. Also you did mention this was zero'd for a particular 556 rounds, so 9mm PCC would look totally different to this example especially for home defense.
Well explained ! I finally get it.
This was a great video thank you sir.
What’s your take on the 36yd zero
I dont get it, why is the barrel angled up? Grenade launcher? Everyone has an opinion. My opinion? As a marine rifleman and rifle range RSO, for self defense, and to hit a rabbit or a man at 100 yrds, inch and a half below center, perfectly straight, at 25 will put you on a 4 inch disk at 125 yrds. If someone is further than that how do you call it self defense? Like I say, if someones shooting at you from that far away, leave the scene. Wanna hit a man at 500 yrds? Aim for the top of the head. Too much worry about hitting a cherry when self defense is putting a shot anywhere on a torso.
If they are shooting at you it is selfdefence what would you call it
Great video, done very well!
Good info. Will def chk future videos
36 yard zero is fantastic.
As an old fuck, we only knew a 100 yd zero... then we went to a 15 / 200, and migrated to a 37 / 300 zero............. I love this 37 / 300 , cuz it exposes a lot more sight picture of your target at 100 and 2oo yds ........... I also use this on my Deer gun, as i see a lot more brown , a bounding thru the woods............ ( aim low , shoot high..................... just sayin.................... my version of combat sights.......
Doesn’t it all depend on your site height the height of your red dot..
I like a 200 yard zero. I think it is similar to a 50 yard zero, but not the same.
What is the effect with the 50 yard zero and the 6" circle when your shooting at, say, 10 yards, 15 yards, and 25 yards. Where would your aim point be?
Great educational clip
Thanks for your presentation, I was wondering about the 300 yard drop you have at 4.” American Eagle 223 Federal ammo with a 55 FMJ at 3240 muzzle velocity using a 200 yard zero drops 6.8” at 300 yards. I got that data out of Ammo and Ballistics Sixth edition.
I think you forgot to mention what happens at a 3 yard or 5 yard shot with this zero. Sounds like the impact would again be at minus 4" ?
thanks!!!
Switched all my self defense type rifles to 50 yard zero. My rifles that I like 100yrd accuracy testing are 100yrd. Duh but that’s it
What about zero to 150’ ? For home defense or around home in a urban environment where 2-300’ shot is not likely? Thanks jimmi V
The .223 or 5.56 solves lot of ballistic problems due to its flat trajectory and low recoil. The 47-70 was more problematic.
I just zero my red-dot equipped AR's at 36 yards, which should give me minute-of-face out to 250-300 yds or so.
Nicely done
Sr...36 yd zero give you 5" dispersion from 25 to 300 yd...; 5" aiming to the chest all the time...NO HOLD OVERS.
The 100 yard zero will give you the tightest group from 25-200/Yd’s - thereby, THE BEST Zero for CQB (home defense).
Agreed
The best zero for home defense only would be 10 yards then your shots inside won’t be 2.5” low
@Provectus Group how would you compare the 50 yard zero to a 36 yard zero?
You could just do a 36 zero
This is from a standard 16" barrel? I just got a new 11.5" pistol and zeroed the red dot at 25 yards because that was the max at my local indoor range. I don't see this weapon being effective past 150 yards or so. Do you have the zero sweet spot information for this setup?
Thank you Sir.
For home defense when would your aim need to be farther than 25 yards. Hell for that matter most people are only going to be taking shots from 10ft to 30ft away unless you live on a farm. My home defense weapon has a laser set at 20 feet and my red dot set at 100 yards in case I need to reach out and touch somebody. In the dark the laser gives off enough light to find the bad guy & doest kill your nigh vision like a 200 lumen light will (but I do have the light).
Great video!!!